What are your thoughts on the unvaccinated? ?

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What do you think about forced vaccination?

nightdrot · Accepted Answer

The assumption has been that a large segment of the population is "against" the COVID vaccine. Perhaps the answer is simpler. It is as likely that it is not so much that people are against the vaccine as that they are indifferent to it.

First, make allowance for the fact that some segment of the population will be against the vaccine on principle. Some for religious reasons do not accept vaccines of any kind. This is true, for example, of Christian Scientists and some strands of Islam. There are also those who have pre-existing conditions and cannot get the shot on medical grounds.

Then there are those who object for political reasons. Indeed, it bears repeating that both President Biden and Vice-President Harris, when they were presidential candidates, said that they would be opposed to any vaccine developed under the auspices of the Trump administration. Changing their views only after they won election, at which point they went to the opposite extreme.

That extreme being that the Biden administration wildly overpromised. President Biden's speech declaring that anyone who got the vaccine would not have to wear a face-mask anymore - ever. That now, of course, being undermined by the new CDC guidelines.

In a nutshell, one of the ironies is that Mr. Biden's approval rating on handling the pandemic has been one of his bright spots - but it is unwarranted. In fact, from the outset, the Biden administration's communications strategy on the pandemic has been erratic and unprofessional.

This sewing distrust among political partisans and also, interestingly, in the African-American and Hispanic communities. The African-American community being particularly resistant perhaps due to the lingering historical memories of the medical experiments conducted on the Tuskegee airman.

This being made still worse by the failure of the FDA to cut through the bureaucracy and give its final approval to the vaccine. It cannot be a selling point that, in effect, the government is effectively using the public as giant lab rats.

To be sure, the COVID vaccine has pretty much proved itself, but the occasional stories of side-effects and the administration's inept comms strategy cannot, in context, have reassured those who are prone to doubts. In that sense, an FDA endorsement would not be a disadvantage.

Yet for all this - and there are other reasons - the most likely reason is that people do not see COVID as a threat to themselves and they want to get on with life. For a parallel example, how much of the population fails to avail itself of the flu vaccine every year.

The flu can make a person feel quite sick. Yet people are busy with the daily business of life and as the chances of getting sick seem slight and abstract, they don't make time for it.

All the chatter about a segment of the population being "against" the vaccine is, in that sense, an exaggeration. The likely truth is that most people are ignoring the government, the media and all the chatter. They are just tuning it out and moving on with their lives.

That is not likely an argument that you will hear made very often if for no other reason than the it is hard for the government and the media, the medical community and other such entities to imagine that the public is not hanging on their every word. If true, it would also mean that any outreach will have to breech a wall of intellectual, social and emotional indifference - and that is VERY hard, if not impossible, to do.

Yet Occam's Razor applies. Sometimes the simplest answer is he correct one. In this case, for all of their preaching and pleading, those pushing the vaccine may have yet to come to grips with the fact that a large segment of the population is simply shrugging and saying, in effect, "Yeah, whatever."

TheUniqueOne96 · Accepted Answer

Good.

I respect the fact that they aren't believing all the information that's shoved down their throats from the totally honest media and politicians, because there's never some kind of agenda from them (!), especially when people's freedoms are being taken away for not wanting it or refusing it - I'm doubtful that the media are even being honest about the un-vaccinated causing new strains and mutations too, assuming it's coming from them, it's probably just another attempt to guilt people and turn them against each other.

This really makes me question whether or not something dodgy is going on regarding it, whether it's linked to population control or something else.

If nothing else though, the long term effects vaccine are still unknown and I don't see what's so unreasonable about holding off until then.

Whilst I'm not expert on vaccines, what's so useful about one that doesn't stop you from transmitting it to others anyway or protect you from it properly.

Cynicaldreamer · Accepted Answer

Unpopular, but honest opinion here: it should be optional, not required or forced on people.

My job will be mandating the vaccine as soon as it's FDA approved 🙄
In the meantime, they're forcing it on us by punishing those that are not vaccinated: mandatory weekly covid tests, pointless training online, wearing K-N95 masks...

Oh, and unique badge holders and lanyards that ostracize who is and is not vaccinated. So everyone knows the ones who aren't vaccinated yet! The looks you get from others is... amusing to say the least.

No, I'm not "anti-vax," as I have no issue getting any other vaccines or tests.

I DO have an issue getting something that's still relatively new and we're not sure of its long terms effects. Not to mention, you can still get covid if you're vaccinated. Yes, REALLY. The effects are just not as severe if you're vaccinated (or so they say).

And yes, I will eventually get the vaccine... when I absolutely have to, and not a moment sooner! And I point blank told my boss the ONLY reason I am getting vaccinated is because I like getting a paycheck and paying my bills.

But it's sad companies are using scare tactics and intimidation to make people get something they rather not.

Cherry234 · Accepted Answer

I think vaccination should be required for certain places and lines of work like for people who are essential workers and for students who are going back to school. But I'm unsure about forced vaccination for other occupations where essential workers are not involved and in public places like grocery stores. If those people refuse to get vaccinated then they should at least wear masks

OlderAndWiser · Answer

I disagree with their decision but I do not disrespect people for not trusting the government, particularly in the wake of the previous lies we have been told about this pandemic.

Dragonpurple · Answer

Did you know in the USA, the government has made it so you cannot sue the vaccine makers if you have any severe side effects?

If it is so safe, why not remove that protection and let people sue? I know lots of people who plan on getting the vaccine in 2024, the year that protection expires and they can sue if something goes wrong.

Three more years and they'll get it... that is the ONLY reason they are not getting it right now.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

This isn't a topic that you hear a lot about in the news or online. I'm sure the unvaccinated prior to covid would not matter in this case, but many who had other vaccines up to date before covid that are holding out, would get them vaccinated and closer to the goal of more vaccinated people.

As for forced vaccination, only if we want to give up our rights and let the government decide what kind of medical procedures we should have done to our bodies.

RolandCuthbert · Answer

One thing about GaG is the strange way folks ask questions about the government.

The Federal government cannot mandate vaccination. We are a nation of sovereign states. States and local jurisdictions can. To date no state has mandated vaccination for citizens. But as an employer, state, local, and federal jurisdictions can.

My clients, building management, myself and other tenants have come together to create one policy. If you are vaccinated, you do not have to wear a mask on premise. If you are not vaccinated, wear a mask and utilize work from home guidelines when appropriate.

The funny thing is, vaccinations and/or negative tests are being mandated for overseas travel.

Hanrej · Answer

If they forced people to vaccinate I would view that as the government taking away peoples rights to their bodies. As an extention, I would see it as democracy having failed or been overthrown and I would either organize or join a militant opposition using any means necessary to destroy the ones currently leading.

That said, I'm not against vaccine in general. Just the covid vaccine wich utelize never before tried technology. This is not a classic vaccine with dead cells or similar portion of the actual decease. No, this one injects you with an rna strand that produce, in your body, a foreign protein. There's no telling the longterm sideeffects and no company will take legal responsibility for any. On top of that, taking the vaccine doesn't garantee you stay healthy, nor does it give adequate protection from mutated variant. All in all it seems to me like taking an awfully huge risk getting the vaccine before it's been tested though and through.

Lliam · Answer

They will live lives like normal humans with no more risk than they ever had from illness.
Those who get the jab will be subjected to any number of debilitating injuries and deaths over the next few years.
Scroll down through the following information for up to date stats on injuries and deaths so far, just in the U. S.
https://www.thecompleteguidetohealth.com/takeaction.html

Forcing people to participate in an untested, gene modification experiment is part of an evil eugenics scheme.

msc545 · Answer

If they are unvaccinated and have no good reason for being so (like being immunocompromised and can prove it), I don't give a shit about them at all and I am sick of their stupid fucking arguments, "statistics", conspiracy theories, "natural immunity", and all the rest of their bullshit. They are people who are stupid and lazy and don't know what they don't know - the epitome of Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

If they weren't risking the lives of all of us who ARE vaccinated via the creation of mutations and breakthru infections, I would probably not care if they mostly died. I am ashamed of actually feeling that way, even knowing they wouldn't care if vaccinated people died. Then again, I am not an arrogant narcissist with no brains who is filled with rage and ignorance.

MrOracle · Answer

When the government rounds up every single illegal immigrant that they've released, or bussed or flown into the interior of the country, and they've vaccinated all of them, and then deported all of them, THEN they can come and talk to me. Until then, they can eat the peanuts out of my shit.

Letting in over a million unvaccinated people - around 20% of them being COVID-positive, tells me that this isn't about COVID at all. No government that was concerned about COVID would do such a thing.

BeMuse · Answer

Many vaccines are useful. The COVID vaccines are an ongoing human experiment with the most dangerous vaccine candidate in history. They were released under emergency use authorization while ongoing studies continue. Those that participate in human experimentation are suppose to be well informed of the risks associated with the vaccine, but there aren’t many people that have taken the vaccine that seems to have been made aware of any of the risks. Big pharma has total immunity from legal responsibility… As of August 4, 2021 there are still a slew of exclusion criteria for safe administration and study in humans, but it’s being pushed on those high risk groups regardless of the medical recommendations… I would say that is medically unethical, but it is happening anyway. Forced or coerced human experimentation is a violation of section one of the Nuremberg code. They hang you for that...

Brainsbeforebeauty · Answer

I believe in people's right to decide for themselves and their children whether they get vaccinated or not

sage2021 · Answer

I have always been about people having free choice. They aren't testing or vaxing the illegals that are entering the U. S. Oh no, they don't have to get vaxed ! Their job is to come here and spread the virus's to everyone. How will we ever end COVID if they are spreading around?

exitseven · Answer

Everyone should be able to choose what they think is right for their own bodies and their kids. My wife and I have been vaccinated for months. I spoke to my physician about it and my son is a scientist that works with viruses and he explained mRNA to me in a way that reassured me it was not a way to cause mutations. But the decision should be left up to the individual. Nobody forces the flu vaccine down anyone's throats. This should be treated the same way.

johnsmithjs · Answer

Nothing forced is good and as far as the un-vaccinated, at least if they get it they will know. The problem is now the Vaccinated people that get Covid and do not realize they have it and then walk around spreading the virus.

The super spreaders now will be Vaccinated people. Anyone that got vaccinated should be required to wear masks and put a sign around their neck so we know to stay away from them.

In a few months it really will not matter if you are vaccinated or not as a new strain will come out that is vaccine resistant, then you will have to get another jab to stay current.

Have fun getting the JAB every year.

jshm2 · Answer

Unvaccinated is tantamount to "unwashed" these days.

You can wash the unwashed, but then does it really count for anything? They'll just become filthy again.

Same with vaccinating these idiots. They'll just try stupid shit to "detoxify" the vaccine or some other snakeoil shit and cause bigger problems for everyone.

PrinceNeo · Answer

If you want to get the vaccine go ahead but if you don't then don't. It should be that simple. If you really think this vaccine is gonna protect you than get it and don't try to force others to get something they don't want. If it leads to them dying from the disease so be it they made there choice.

crmoore · Answer

As for the ones who have no medical issues regarding the vaccine, I wish they'd get it. But the vaccine is new, it's long term effects haven't been studied. It's still not officially approved by the FDA, to my knowledge, rather it has been temporarily accepted for emergency use. So I support their right to not get the vaccine. And honestly, even once it is fully approved by the FDA, I still support their right to not get it. It's their body. Needless to say, I do not support forced vaccination.

RealMarek · Answer

It is unnecessary to take such extreme measures. If the authorities had been consistent in their statements, shown evidence instead of making unsupported statements, refrained from censorship via corporate “partners” (makes it look like there is something to hide), and used persuasion instead of coercion and ridicule, people would be much more cooperative.

tropicalbreeze · Answer

Well if courts rule in favour of favor of governments then by that logic the government's of countries can do whatever they want and fair enough. Given that pandemics are like war-time things you know they give considerable weight to more powers during a crisis or emergency and I guess the worldwide pandemic counts as that. Ah well.

Let_me_think · Answer

I believe it is there choice to be unvaccinated forcing someone would be against basic human rights. Just as it is someone's choice to do drugs or not, it should be someones right to be vaccinated.

Massageman · Answer

Cynicaldreamer already nailed it, so I won't rehash that part, The smart money is on NovaVax coming in October- a  true vaccine  from dead/attenuated virals which simply takes longer to be produced.

EternallyCorrect · Answer

We’ll be fine. 99.8% survival rate.  Forced vaccination would lead to civil war.

WhiteSteve · Answer

I think it’s their right to decide, I just wish they got their information from their physician/medical professionals, and not from random idiots or conspiracy theorists on the internet or TV.

goaded · Answer

I don't want to see people held down and jabbed, but I don't think they should be allowed into places they can harm other people.

ElizaPam · Answer

They’re Americans choosing what to do with their bodies omg the left could just be normal for once

Slartybartfast · Answer

I see them all the time, young, old, mem , women , they all look the same when I'm working in the morge.

We have litteraly PILES Of the unvaccinated.

Stacked to the ceiling with the unvaccinated.

Every day
..

007kingifrit · Answer

that would be grounds for civil war. you can't force people to take a medication. i am not even anti vaccine but i am not going to be told what to do

Anonymous · Answer

I think it’s their choice.

And I think forced vaccination validates everything they think about government authoritarianism and more. The reason the anti vaccine movement came about was because the UK government tried to force vaccinations of people. As much as the government is comfortable with oppressing people, I also think they’ve learned their lesson.

Browneye57 · Answer

Against trying to force ANYONE to do ANYTHING. Provide information so that people can choose what's best for THEM.
I'm vax'd, so I could careless what they do. Vax'd or not, it changes nothing for me.

Xylem1992 · Answer

Forced anything goes against my values. Its unfortunate that people don't want to get vaccinated but there isn't a whole lot we can do about it.

The_Outlaw · Answer

It's total BULLSHIT. Nobody should feel threatened, intimidated, manipulated or coerced into doing something they aren't sure about.

rcljr · Answer

I think you can take your vaccine and shove it up your ass, sideways.

qwert1234 · Answer

Nothing, normal unless they start forcing themselves on places that only allows vaccinated people to enter.  It's becoming annoying now.

Chthou95 · Answer

They have the right to choose and think for themselves. America is turning into a communist country with these vaccine mandates

najekim · Answer

Hello, Big Brother! Already herd on the news a bunch of companies are requiring employees to vaccine or be out of a job. May as well play the game otherwise the government is going to screw you more than they already do. :(

Youdumbeotch · Answer

Doesn’t matter let everyone make their own decisions it’s a waste of time to convince people

NorthwestRider · Answer

Their choice to not get the vaccine but we should not feel sorry for them if they are dying from the virus because they refused to get the vaccine

Anonymous · Answer

I believe it is a human right to chose what the hell we want or don't want in our bodies

OddBeMe · Answer

My body my choice. But it’s our public places that we can demand vaccines or get out.  No shoes  No Shirt No vaccine No service

Snakeyes7 · Answer

Forced vaccination is pretty fascistic if you ask me. Your rights would depend on consuming a product from a "private company".

EnglishEuropean · Answer

I'm not bothered. I'm double-vaccinated so I'm reasonably safe. Anyway I've had a good life for the most part.

misterCage4 · Answer

Take it if you want to. Don't take it if you don't want to. Simple.

Anonymous · Answer

Forced vax is for pussys that wanna give up all there rights. there's no reason for it and your still gonna have to wear the mask and get more of them cause it doesn’t work and people know that

Tommyy12 · Answer

Not my business if someone is vaccinated or not. I would be against forced vaccination.

Ukrainianbuddafly · Answer

I disagree completely.

anon1903 · Answer

Why are they forcing us lols

jimmy2 · Answer

Most had a choice, 79% in America are unvaccinated going to hospitals

joeldalton · Answer

Forced vaccination is evil.

Anonymous · Answer

They are wise and if anyone tries to force vaccinate someone they are a nazi, period

nickaboy · Answer

We unvaccinated are the smart ones

Anonymous · Answer

Their choice, their consequences!

Anonymous · Answer

Selfish people

White_Boy_506 · Answer

I respect their decision.

Bambi09 · Answer

I disagree

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