How do you feel about rape and incest victims forced to deliver babies in Texas?

[Anonymous]

I believe abortion should be legal. Period.

I believe abortion should be legal only for rape and incest

I believe abortion should be legal only for rape, incest, and health of the mother

I believe abortion should be illegal. Period.

A total of 188 votes were cast: 65 girls and 123 guys. See detailed results

[Lliam]

It's evil.

I support a women's right to abortion, but within limits.

First, if a woman has had, or is having sex, and misses her period, she should buy a pregnancy test right away. How hard is that? If it turns out positive and she doesn't want to have a baby, she should immediately get a chemical abortion, which can be done within 8 weeks of pregnancy. If she misses the 8 week cut off, I still advocate her right to an abortion if she gets it done early, say within 12 weeks max.

The thing is, shit can happen. Protection against pregnancy can fail. It's extremely rare, but it can happen. And, typically, it's young, naive women who get accidentally pregnant. That shouldn't ruin a person's life. Actually, it would ruin several people's lives including the guy and her parents at minimum.

Forcing a woman to go through nine months of gestation and childbirth, and then being responsible for a child for the rest of their life is like treating her like a slave. Her body doesn't belong to the government. And the government isn't going to support her or her child. Also, people who would impose their own opinions or religious beliefs on others should fuck right off.

Second. Using abortion as a form of contraception should be outlawed. As I said, mistakes can happen. But a series of mistakes is not a coincidence. If a woman can't figure out how to protect herself against pregnancy, she is irresponsible and cold blooded and shouldn't be allowed to remain fertile.

So I might support a third strike and you're out rule. Classes similar to those for drunk driving convictions would automatically be required after a second unwanted pregnancy. A third abortion would trigger a legal hearing before a judge in order to determine if there are any extenuating circumstances for her repeated, unwanted pregnancies other than irresponsibility. The judge would have a right to order her sterilized. Eliminate her genes from the pool.

[Inexpensivefurniture]

Unfortunately it's not always so simple to know you are pregnant. Many women have irregular periods so missing it for a month or two might not be abnormal. Some women can still bleed during pregnancy as well, which could be mistaken for a period. And some women were on birth control that stopped their period, so of it failed and they became pregnant they wouldn't know they were missing periods

[Lliam]

@Inexpensivefurniture. True.

[Halibut]

And then you still have children born with birth defects that often can't be detected until long after the cut-off point you mentioned.

A mother with a fetus with down syndrome who gets an abortion and has another child later without downe syndrome is essentially the same as a mother only getting pregnant once and giving birth to a child without downe syndrome. That's just how reality works. The fact that most people don't understand that is about the biggest tragedy I can think of, for Texas. Thankfully, in most states that's not an issue because Roe v. Wade allows much later abortions, and there are states people can drive through to get very late abortions.

Also, if, for whatever reason, a mother gives birth to a child into an environment that is inferior to what the child might have had at a future time, and the mother was considering getting an abortion before the 24 week point that the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists claim is the point at which fetuses have the equipment to possibly experience pain... that child essentially was born into an inferior environment with no redeeming benefits to it. Were it aborted and the mother had a second child later, it would essentially have been teleported into a better environment. Again, that's just the way reality works. People reel in horror of that... and that's fine... unless they want to create laws that force people who see reality more accurately to alter their behavior.

[Miristheiss]

I was just commenting about this on another thread.

Rape isn't some special case. It is a pregnancy. Just like any other abortion restriction... you need to abort early when most agree there is the least risk of just murdering a baby. Once the pregnancy progresses further this becomes more murky, babies can actually live outside the womb (with help) and they are pretty developed into actual people.

So, if you don't want a baby. Abort it early.

Now back to rape. The same applies. Most women when raped and who seek out medical care are given DRUGS/MEDICINE that protects them from sexual diseases and some form of morning after pill that stops any possible pregnancy.

So there is no reason to even be pregnant if she doesn't want to be.
She if someone doesn't get the medical care to prevent the pregnancy... they end up pregnant... then they don't want to take care of it early in the first couple of months... then we want to wait around until 4 or 5 months along. Too late then.

Get the morning after pill
or get an abortion early in the process.

If you do none of that but wait several months in and then pull the "but I was raped" ploy. Sorry. Wait the additional 3-4 months, then give the child up for adoption. They don't have to die so this person doesn't have to be pregnant 3 or 4 additional months.

[Halibut]

4 months would like be before the fetus would be capable of experiencing pain. That's before the 24 week point where that's supposed to be possible. Before that point, assuming that's correct, abortion cannot harm the fetus because an organism that can't experience pain and doesn't understand death cannot be harmed by death. It can, however, be harmed by the unpleasant act of being born. In that sense... being born would cause the fetus more harm than not being born. I would argue, therefore, that in every state abortion should be legal up to a minimum of 23 weeks... and we'd also need a few states that allow it to be legal much later for serious birth defects that aren't always detected early.

[Miristheiss]

@Halibut
What are you babbling about?

Each state has its laws and restrictions on how far along abortions can be legally performed.

You have to do it within the laws of your state. Rape doesn't trump the other.
I know some want to allow abortions at 9 months, while the baby is in the birth canal. I don't know if any state actually allows that but I know some want that.

Don't swoop in with your opinions and absolutes of knowing exactly when it is a baby and when it isn't.

Hey... everyone who has been bitterly arguing about abortion for the last 60 years.
You can relax now... Halibut has swooped in to give you the precise moment it is a human life and when it isn't one.

You can give up your 60 year argument. Halibut has the answer.
The abortion debate is over. It is settled. Halibut took care of it.

[Halibut]

@Miristheiss I am not "babbling" I'm making sound, intelligent points, as I see it.

I don't care what the definition of "baby" is. I want certain forms of supervised infanticide legal for already-born babies.

The point is that, if there are zero negatives to an abortion, there is no reason for that abortion to be illegal. The American College of Gynecologists and Obstetricians and The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in the U. K. say that point before which fetuses can't experience pain is 24 weeks.

[Halibut]

and, to continue my previous post, if an organism cannot experience pain and can't understand death (like fetuses cannot) death cannot harm them, and therefore there is no reason for it to be illegal.

[Anonymous]

As birth control - if you're too stupid to use a condom or Plan B & realize you're pregnant weeks later, well then you should be in jail for murder. It's not hard to prevent pregnancy. It's dumb lazy cows, women that really shouldn't be reproducing, that don't.

Boyfriend walks out - well maybe if you tried to develop a decent meaningful rapport instead of being a cheap fuck or friends with benefits he wouldn't have. I see many dumber women saying their man walked out & most are just cheap easy sex.

[Anonymous]

Most abortions are done out of convenience not actual trauma. I know many people who sleep around then get pregnant and then decided that it isn’t convenient to have a kid so they decide to have an abortion. In my opinion they should have thought about that before they decided to be irresponsible. The baby shouldn’t have to pay the price of an irresponsible person. Not to mention people are literally fighting over the right to kill another human being.

[Wraith_Cemetery]

Exactly. The most sensible female on here.

[Wraith_Cemetery]

Over 70 percent of Abortions are done for "convenience", over 50 percent are done by young girls that had an "oops" moment. Only 1 percent are rape.

[Opinion Owner]

@Wraith_Cemetery thank you.

[Halibut]

They're fighting for the right to kill another human being... when that killing does not harm the human being, and with the vast majority of abortions, can only help the human being. That which cannot experience pain and doesn't understand death cannot be harmed by death. Nobody understands that concept... but society needs to. 24 weeks is the point at which the American College of obstetricians and Gynecologists say fetuses might be able to experience pain.

[Exterminatore]

@ Anon and Wraith

Fully agree with you both. Anon well said.

[Halibut]

I don't why my past post isn't showing up here... but the "killing of a human being" that occurs with abortion typically does not harm that human being. If an organism does not understand death and can't experience pain from that death (which fetuses seemingly can't until after 24 weeks) that death cannot harm the organism. That's what we need to keep in mind. There is no price being paid by baby... unless it's born, in most cases. If it's born, there might be a price to pay. If it's not, there typically won't be.

[Asker]

80 percent of rapes are not reported

[Shortman70]

Abortion is a tough decision to make!! My beautiful bride and I never had a situation that we thought bout it, like rape or incest or some kind of medical nessity. Having said that, it's not my place to say it should be illegal. There are cases that someone may need to make that choice. Life is hard, everybody is going through something, it's the woman's choice, she may need options, we do not know her situation. We don't want her doin back alley procedures or committing suicide. Let's have compassion and not be so judgmental. Don't tell someone how to walk unless you have been in their shoes. Understanding goes farther than hatred.

[haphazard]

The morning-after pill is a type of emergency birth control (contraception). Emergency contraception is used to prevent pregnancy for women who've had unprotected sex or whose birth control method has failed. The morning-after pill is intended for backup contraception only, not as a primary method of birth control. Morning-after pills contain either levonorgestrel (Plan B One-Step, Aftera, others) or ulipristal acetate (ella). Levonorgestrel is available over-the-counter without a prescription; ulipristal acetate is available only with a prescription.

[Twalli]

Please tell me, how do you know your method of birth control failed before getting pregnant?

[haphazard]

Typically, missing a period will be the first clue that you may be pregnant, and around the time you miss a period — or a little later — you may start noticing other pregnancy symptoms. Of course, some women sense some subtle changes early on and recognize them as signs of pregnancy right away. One early pregnancy symptom can be implantation bleeding, which is some light spotting that occurs when the tiny ball of cells (now known not as a zygote, but as a blastocyst) attaches to the uterine lining. This light bleeding is normal, and can sometimes be mistaken for menstrual blood. Other signs of pregnancy in the first month can include bloating, gas, fatigue, breast tenderness, moodiness, and frequent urination. Morning sickness is another common symptom of early pregnancy, but it usually crops up between weeks four and nine.

[nawtee_me]

First off you differentiate from rape and incest, why? If the incest is not rape then it is consensual and should be viewed as if it were any man and woman. If it was not consensual then it was rape by a family member, but rape all the same.
If you ask most mothers if they would want their child killed so they could live or to kill them so their child could live, most would say let the child live...
So it really comes down to rape victims, and for rape I would be willing to let them use the morning after pill since they would know they were raped right away and could take the pill before they even know if they are pregnant.

[BlackBeauty90]

@nawtee_me - go suck a dog's dick. Incest is often NOT consensual and is OUTLAWED in MANY areas because it is ABNORMAL you fuckard.

[nawtee_me]

@BlackBeauty90 My point exactly so why is it always separated from rape? Rape and incest...

[BlackBeauty90]

@nawtee_me - you uneducated fool. A child can not consent, only a licker of dog's balls think they can, and many incest situations involve children who are "groomed" into the behavior. Some losers (or dog ball lickers) would say they consented because they didn't say no.

It's separated for reasons like that. And because incest is between relatives while rape is not.

[BlackBeauty90]

*while rape isn't always

[nawtee_me]

@BlackBeauty90 Where in any of this do you see children mentioned? You bring this shit into a conversation as if the conversation was about it all along and you call me names... Incest does not mean children all though it might happen to children. But children has not been mentioned at all until you brought it up.
If two people of legal age consent to having sex and the girl gets pregnant then she should have the baby. If there is rape involved the the morning after pill right after it happens will take care of it before she knows if she was pregnant. No need for abortion... Period!

[ohshee]

I think a woman should have a choice on what she wants to do with her body recent in it or on it that's the bottom line that is the bottom line for me if I'm pregnant I'm going to have my baby that's me though at the same time I don't think anybody should be able to tell anybody what to do with their body answer choice whether it's wrong or right it doesn't matter if that's her choice and that should be the law

[Wester1967]

I feel like US conservatism is not conservative at all. It’s actually a radical individualist death cult. With the one exception being unborn children. As a fulcrum for misogynistic control of women. Once you’re born none of them care is you die and they’ll never lift a finger to help you

[Exterminatore]

I get it but think of it this way. When is it ok to murder your unborn child? Is it ok to murder your unborn child if you were raped? Is it ok to murder your unborn child if there was incest?


The child can always be put up for adoption.


Such things are tragedies. I empathize.

[BlackBeauty90]

@Exterminatore - go volunteer in a adoption center then you yip. Go ask social workers, child protection workers and others who deal with the situations day in and day out before you whine. ... Then you'll seem intelligent not stupid & uneducated (a loser)... A number of kids are treated like shit, shuffled from house to house like an unwanted dog, exposed to abusive or dangerous situations by "adoptive" parents that don't care.

[Wraith_Cemetery]

Only 1 percent of abortions are due to rape and only 0.5 percent of abortions are due to incest. Most abortions (75 percent and more) are due to women saying they can't have a baby yet, accidental pregnancy, etc.

Hilarious how most Pro-Abortionists bring up the situation of rape when it's the rarest case for abortions.

[Wraith_Cemetery]

And don't come at me with the "80 percent of rape cases are unreported". It still doesn't deny the fact that the biggest line up to the abortion clinics are girls that had an "oops" or haven't accepted the responsibility that comes with having sex.

[Halibut]

The point, in my opinion, is that abortions typically don't harm the aborted because fetuses can't experience pain, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, until 24 week into the pregnancy, and they don't understand death... meaning that death can't harm them... and you're advocating that a rape victim go through even more trauma... for no reason.

[Wraith_Cemetery]

@Halibut Kids don't understand death either. Everything wants to survive too. Even insects escape dangerous situations but I doubt they "understand" death.

And I didn't say women who are raped shouldn't get an abortion. I believe abortions can be performed during that case. But, one cannot make a case for abortions being moral just because rapes occur in society. Most abortion cases are teen girls and young women who had accidental pregnancies or decided they don't want a baby because it's "inconvenient".

[Halibut]

@Wraith_Cemetery No... not everything wants to survive. Actually, it's pretty much just adult and child humans that want to survive. We're the only thing that understands death enough to want to survive. Everything else dislikes the discomfort commonly associated with death, but they're oblivious to the concept of death and so have no opinions about it. if you read my statement... I make no claims about rapes being a reason for abortion to be legal. We need abortion to be legal because there are basically zero negatives to it before a fetus can experience pain, and potential negatives to giving birth. That's keeping in mind that fetuses appear not to be able to experience pain before 24 weeks. Even afterwards, any pain they experience needs to be balanced against the unpleasantness of being born and whatever negatives the parents were considering getting an abortion for before determining that the abortion really harms the fetus more than helps it.

[Anonymous]

Rape victims would get tested the first day after rape right?
I mean how else is it rape. Your not concern with having aids or hiv.

Seems to me. U wanna keep the rape baby if you don't go to the doctor.


Incest and rape births a very low. And incest and rape abeortions are non-existent.


And even if we made that exception you still would complain.
6 weeks is enough. Get tested 2 weeks after the nutt in your pussy

[Asker]

Some men sure do know a lot about being a woman.

[Angie221994]

Actually. No. 80% of rape cases go UNREPORTED. So it’s not low. And you do realize a pregnancy test won’t show up positive the day after a rape right? You have to wait until you miss your period. Which would be an entire 4 weeks. Once you take the test after 4 weeks, THEN you can take a pregnancy test. You might get a false/fake negative for testing too early. Even if you test positive, you have to make an appt, they’re gonna do blood work to make sure you’re healthy enough to have an abortion and THEN once the test results come back, THEN you can have an abortion. It takes 2-3 weeks to get blood work back. At that point, you are 6-7 weeks pregnant and cannot get an abortion. Seems to me like you know NOTHING about pregnancy if you think you can get tested for pregnancy the day after getting raped. Seems to me like you’re an idiot, tbh.

[Opinion Owner]

Well you woman said men can have babies when y'all supported that LGBT Stuff.

[Angie221994]

Men that transitioned from being women. You don’t know how to read, can you? Notice how you ignored everything I said? It’s because you’re stupid. Like what does your comment have to do with anything? Idiot.

[Opinion Owner]

Nah that's not we pushing. Woman aren't woman. I believe your new liberal name now are "birthing people"

[Opinion Owner]

Are you saying trans woman aren't woman

[Angie221994]

What does that have to do with pregnancy tests not working a day after rape? Notice how you got real quiet 🙄

[Angie221994]

Pregnancy tests don’t pick up pregnancy until after a missed period. Which could be 4 weeks after being raped. So why are you talking about getting tested for pregnancy the day after 🤦‍♀️

[Opinion Owner]

This will encourage woman to report their rape. Since 80% of them don't report it. You can take a pregnancy test 2-3 weeks after sex and it works stop lying

[Angie221994]

No. You have to wait until your missed period which CAN be up to 4 weeks. You don’t know how women’s periods work, just say that instead of looking like you’re mentally retarded. doesn't change how long blood work takes. And what is reporting rape gonna do? Gregg abbot already said there’s NO exceptions to rape. 🤦‍♀️ also, you do realize that there’s 428 rape kits in Texas that haven’t been tested, right?

[Angie221994]

Stop lying about thinking you know anything about pregnancy tests. Lol. They come out false negative if taken too early.

[Opinion Owner]

Ok sure let's double the time for rape victims give them 12 weeks and incest.
It's not that big of number anyway. So who cares. We can get DNA samples from the dead baby to see if your lying about the rape

[Angie221994]

Who’s doubling the time for rape victims? Idiot. Gregg abbot, the GOVERNER of Tx already said he’s not making any exceptions for rape or incest victims. You’re a nobody, you don’t make the laws here. Lol.

[Opinion Owner]

You don't get what I'm saying. Rape abortions are only 1%. That's why nobody cares about that argument stupid

[Angie221994]

You do realize rape cases are NOT 1% because over 80% of rape cases go unreported, right? 🤦‍♀️ and lots of people care about that argument. Sorry that no one cares about you. You were obviously a failed abortion, that’s why you’re so salty. Guys do NOT get an opinion on abortion. Thanks.

[Opinion Owner]

Ok 2%

[Angie221994]

It’s not 2%. Just say you’re mentally retarded. It’s okay. Lol. You’re a liar too saying you get a pregnancy test the day after when it doesn’t even show up 😂😂😂 you’re either a liar or the stupidest person alive. Your parents must be related. Lol

[Unpersuadable]

@Angie221994 morning after pill. Sorry, didn't mean to destroy your novel long argument in 3 words

[Unpersuadable]

@Angie221994 morning after pill

[Angie221994]

You do realize that the morning after pill only works on women under 130 pounds right? I’m 5’10. I would be skin and bones if I was 130 lbs. sorry, didn’t mean to destroy your retarded attempt at suggesting the morning after pill tho 🤷‍♀️

[Angie221994]

Morning after pill has a weight restriction of 130 lbs. and you can’t take more than one at a time or it causes uterine poisoning 👏 didn’t mean to ruin your logic tho 🤷‍♀️ not my fault that you know NOTHING about women. Like. You’re literally proving that you know nothing. Lol

[Opinion Owner]

Birth control and condoms.

[Angie221994]

Are not 100% effective. And rapists usually do NOT use condoms. Also, birth control can cause strokes, why would you use something that can kill you?

Sorry to destroy your stupid argument tho 🤷‍♀️

[Opinion Owner]

People can die from abortions so what's your point

[Angie221994]

People rarely die from abortions. It’s less than 0.2%. Birth control is 21%. You can’t compare the two. My point is that more people die from birth control than abortion. AND on top of that, more people die from PREGNANCY than they do from abortion.

You walked right into that one. Thanks for proving my point 👏
You’re so stupid, that’s my point. Thanks for proving it 🥰

[Unpersuadable]

@Angie221994 abortions have a 100% death rate. Ask any aborted baby. YOU WALKED RIGHT INTO THAT ONE!

[Unpersuadable]

@Angie221994 you can double up on it, Chunky.

[Angie221994]

Lol abortions do not have 100% death rate since it’s a FETUS. And no. You can’t double up on it. If you knew how to read, have you heard of reading? Yeah, if you knew how to, you’d know that doubling up doesn’t make it more effective. It literally says that on the box. And being over 130 lbs is not chunky, I’m 6’0 ft tall. If I was 130 lbs, I’d be anorexic. Soo. Don’t push your own insecurities on to me, since it obviously seems that you’re the fatso here.

[Unpersuadable]

Consensual incest - have the baby. Non-consensual incest = rape. Thus, incest doesn't need to be brought up.

If raped, report it ASAP, police issue morning after pill, not doctors. Problem solved.

You dont want to report the rape? You made your CHOICE.

[Halibut]

What if my choice is to get an abortion of the fetus growing inside me that's missing a lung, and three of their four limbs and I want to do it before the 24 week point at which the fetus may be capable of experiencing pain... but I can't because I have to drive to another state now and can't get off work in time?

[Asker]

Morning after pill only works for women less than 130 lbs. And with date rape drugs she may not know she was raped right away.

[t-8900]

I voted C because I can sympathize with that as I was sexually abused for a year of my life as a child. She didn't have any choice, she was forced into it. Also inbred children can live miserable lives. Maybe see how viable the baby is before they make the final decision?

[Anonymous]

You do realize they're allowed to get abortions in those cases. Stop believing the liberal papaganda and actually look at the law

[Asker]

That is not part of the law. There are no provisions for rape and incest. The Texas governor is taking some heat for answering a reporter's question on that topic. He said basically "we are going to lock up all rapists so it won't be a problem."

[Opinion Owner]

You don't understand the law because you're listening to liberal propaganda not actually looking at the law.

www.cbsnews.com/.../

[Opinion Owner]

Also if you don't like the law so much guess what you don't have to live in Texas it's quite funny how liberals have to force their beliefs on everyone while conservatives believe in state rights and allowing you to choose to live in a state with your beliefs.

[Asker]

Even rape of a 13 year-old-girl by the father must deliver the baby in Texas.

[Opinion Owner]

Again that's liberal papa Ganda and if you truly hate this loss so much why are you living in Texas? Why do liberals have to force their beliefs on everyone we have a state system for a reason so you can live in a state with your beliefs and someone could live in a state with air beliefs everyone can be happy but liberals for some reason have to force their beliefs on people living hundreds if not thousands of miles away from them

[Asker]

Isn't forcing a woman to deliver a baby in the name of religion forcing beliefs on others?

[Opinion Owner]

Again no one is forcing you to live in Texas that's what you seem to not understand. It really is funny you have people who are not affected by the law at all who will never be affected by the law crying about a law the people who live in the area wanted.

[Asker]

As I said, forcing a woman to keep the baby. A six week window is nothing as any woman with a minstrel cycle can tell any man without one.

[Asker]

Also, which clinics are going to be operational for those "within six weeks" operations when they have all been shut down?

[Opinion Owner]

No one is forcing you to keep it you literally could just not live in Texas do you not understand how state laws work? It's like you think a state law means you have to follow in every state

[Asker]

When was the last time YOU moved out of your state?

[Opinion Owner]

Few years ago out of California because it's a terrible state with very high taxes and minimum it's in many laws I disagree with I move to a red state with low taxes and laws I agree with what a great system we could all live in a state with our beliefs. The problem is liberals hate this idea they want everyone forced into their way of thinking or literally they think it's OK to kill them as you could see by the other comment on your post

[Playa23]

It's sad that you're talking about taxes and laws as your primary concern for moving.

How many 13 year old girls do you know who can go to another state and get an abortion?

Now imagine she got raped by her dad. Is he going to take her to the out-of-state clinic?

[Opinion Owner]

Those were my recents everyone could have different reasons. But the fact is you're free to move stay to stay if you don't like the laws.

That's what makes the state system so great everyone can live in a state with their beliefs and laws if you don't like the beliefs and laws in the your area guess what there's a state that probably has the ones you like what a great system everyone can live the way they want but for some reason one group hates this idea

[Playa23]

It is irresponsible of the state to say that if you don't like something, you should move. How is a child or impoverished individual expected to do that?

Take another fictional case. Someone shot me and claimed to be mentally challenged. The state shows mercy to such individuals and allows him to walk free. I can't go to another state if I'm on ventilator. In this case, the helicopter that I'll need to get justice is going to be paid for by... a 13 year old rape victim (?)

[Playa23]

Law that isn't inclusive of everyone is not a law, it's oppression.

[Opinion Owner]

What are you talking about it's the founding principle of America and state rights that if you don't like the state you move into one you like. It's the reason why America is a constitutional Republic with States instead of just a country with a dictator federal government what federal government what liberals like for some reason. It's funny the whole argument against this is literally some case that is 0.00001% of it or something. The fact is this law doesn't affect you doesn't affect the people who are upset about it and if it does you're free to move into a state without this law we have a great system liberals want some federal government dictatorship for some reason instead of state rights what everyone can live live in a place where their beliefs.

[Opinion Owner]

All laws are oppression people agree to live it under these because we want to live in this area with our beliefs and morals based off those beliefs you're free to live in a state with these morals and belief with the laws based off those morals and beliefs that's why we have a state system. Like I said it's quite funny the vast majority of the people crying about this law don't live in Texas the people living in Texas voted for these laws and people passing these laws and you think you should be able to enforce your will on them you're sick and disgusting

[Playa23]

Okay, try this. If it affects the 0.00001% of people living there, then maybe those who take up the case in court should be that 0.00001% of people and not literally any random Joe on the street who cries war on pregnant women and girls whose life was destroyed by another random Joe.

[Playa23]

As for the second point, it is a landmark case because the motion to block the bill, which is perfectly legal was conveniently cancelled. Now that the bill has passed, it paves the way for other states to implement the same bill in a similar manner and is actually relevant to the entire country.

[Opinion Owner]

Again you're free to move if you don't like the law stop trying to force your beliefs on everyone when we have a system that allows everyone to live in a place with their beliefs you're sick and disgusting person

[Playa23]

Alright, just to confirm what you're saying, if a 13 year old girl who was raped by her father in Texas does not want her life to be ruined, she should move out of Texas and then do what she likes.

Let me know if this sums it up and this sick and disgusting person will take his leave.

[Opinion Owner]

Again you're making a case that really doesn't exist thinking it's the norm. Your whole argument is avoided you just believe everyone should live how you believe or you believe or you could kill them like Is most liberals your very violent

[Playa23]

I think it's the other way around here man. Any guy who sees a woman getting an abortion can win some cash by sueing her and people who help her. He is in no way connected but he is "entitled" to this.

I'm sorry to say this but if you can't recognise that there's something fundamentally wrong with this then you're on the other side of the fence and are as corrupt as the ones who framed this bill.

This bill is oppressive and forces women and girls to do what is told about their bodies. Those who can pay to go to another state will have to do so and those who can't will have an even shittier life thanks to this bill.

[Opinion Owner]

Again no one is forcing you to live in Texas Stop trying to force your beliefs and people who don't want them You're free to live in a state with your beliefs but you cannot be happy with that you have to force everyone to think like you and do what you want or you probably want to kill them

[Playa23]

Okay, I hate that you keep saying that I want to kill, because I've barely started my life as an adult and it's sad that you won't even listen to my points.

All you are saying is

"Get out of Texas if you don't like the laws"

"Don't force everyone to think like you do" : So this conversation is pointless.

Stop saying that I am doing this. You are the one who is saying all of this and are fuelling negative emotions instead of talking it out.

I have bookmarked this thread and I keep coming back to discuss the issue like an adult and you keep hurling insults and whining like a kid.

I hope you are a kid, Anon. Then you'll have the opportunity of growing up as an open-minded and courteous adult.

I spare no time for even my own family if they don't respect my thoughts and willingness to have a discussion and I am disgusted that I showed you that respect.

[Opinion Owner]

It's your beliefs literally go look at the other comments here they're saying they want to shoot people who don't think like them until they bleed out and they don't even live in America they had nothing to do with this law and they want to kill over it many liberals think this way this is the fact of liberal beliefs.

We've been having this discussion you just want to force your beliefs on everyone I believe in state rights and giving people a choice you believe in force and violence hopefully one day you will stop being so violent and hateful

[Jake99999]

I call BS on this question. In Texas you are NOT forced to have the baby if you are raped. You have up to six weeks to have the baby aborted. Stop posting up misinformation.

[Halibut]

Unless you're locked in a basement for eight weeks... then you're screwed, right? That's still long, long before the fetus can experience pain.

[Asker]

A woman needs to know she's pregnant before getting an abortion. That can only happen after missing her period, which can mean 6 weeks if her cycle is irregular. Pregnancy tests taken too early are negative. An abortion requires a blood test, which can take 2 weeks. With everything done right she's missed the deadline and forced to keep the baby.

[qwert1234]

I vote C.
I am pro-abortion with limits.
Accidental pregnancy just because it feels better without condom should not be on the list of valid reasons to abort.

Rape, life endangerment - should be. Incest... not so much unless it fell to the category of rape. If 2 people consent, they need to be responsible.

[Halibut]

So... you'd want a child to be brought into the world because someone had sex without a condom?

I think you're ignoring what's best for the child here. They lose nothing from an early abortion. They won't understand death and they can't experience pain. They will, likely, experience an unpleasant sensation from being born though. In that sense abortion actually helps the child more... unless the abortion takes place late enough into the pregnancy that it results in pain. That's just how reality works, and nobody understands that, and that's a great tragedy.

There is no reason to create new life unless it assists existing life. Life that does not yet exist, or that does not understand the concept of death, doesn't really gain anything from being brought into existence, so far as I can tell.

[qwert1234]

@Halibut I'm against bringing a child created by force or a potential to kill a breadwinner.
Having sex without condom/contraceptive is neither by force or danger.

[Dennisjf12]

I believe abortion should be only decided by the mother, the father & the Docter, and that's all no one else knows anything about the Condon and has no right to say yes or no if you think abortion should be abortion illegal, ok you care for the child till it's an adult and you pay everything needed support to it food doctor a place to stay who pays all that

[bamesjond0069]

Why is rape and incest always grouped together? Two totally different issues. Rape ok. Incest no. I do think its a life and if you have sex you're responsible for it. But if you dont choose to have sex you bear no responsibility for the life. Incest is not rape... or else it can be called rape. If a brother and sister for example are fucking each other and have a baby... well they are responsible for that life. The fact they are being incestuous is not relevant in terms of responsibility.

[Jayplays900]

Case by Case, to be honest.

But hey, I think a good solution is Artificial Wombs. Then we won't have to go completely crazy over this argument of who dies. This should not be a topic that people have to consider and think about, and I am tired of choosing lives. We need to find a solution that saves both lives, not just one.

[Halibut]

You don't have to choose lives. Abortion protects the aborted. The aborted don't lose anything they want to keep... unless pain is involved with the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists states doesn't happen until at least 24 weeks into the pregnancy. Society has this common delusion that abortion can harm organisms that can't experience pain and don't understand death that stems from a lack of reasoning ability. You have that lack of reasoning ability... but so does the vast majority of everyone else.

I would agree about the artificial wombs though... except that they'll never be created in our lifetimes. Once they are created, and become cheap enough for everyone, I figure everything will be better though.

[ThisAndThat]

I do not accept Texas law, abortion at any stage is not empathy. I fully support God's law:

Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”

1 Peter 3:8 Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind.

[Halibut]

I am an atheist. It's my perspective that if a 16 year old gets pregnant, gets an abortion before the 24 weeks when a fetus might be able to experience pain, and has another child when they're 24, that's basically no different the first fetus being teleported into the future, into a situation in which the mother is better prepared to raise the child.

Now... if God implants a soul into someone... I think the most reasonable assumption to make is to assume that we can't know how that works, but to trust that following our conscience will lead to the best path. My conscience tells me that abortion essentially can teleport a fetus into the future... because that's what logic tells me is true. I don't think any all-knowing god who cares about us would us to live in a world in which logical conclusions lead to un-forseeable pain. I therefore think a God would see things the way I do.

[buddysboy16]

I clicked on the exact opposite one I meant. Abortion should be legal for all. It's no one else's business what you do with your life

[Rangers]

Of the 5 people who meet such cases, they'll be exempted. The rest who just won't deal with consequences that follow having football teams run a creampie train on you and refusing the free birth control pills we offer, they have no right to murder.

[Playa23]

I'm sure there's at least a few articles that clarify this point and is not related to Fox news. Please send them here if do have anything like that handy.

[Angie221994]

You do realize over 80% of rape cases go unreported right? And birth control isn’t free. On top of that, should they refuse medical treatment for people who smoke and get lung cancer? I mean, they have to deal with the consequences of their actions too, right? What about car accidents? You knew the risk of driving the car so you should deal with the consequences, right? No medical treatment. Weird how it’s only abortion that’s the only one that has to “deal with consequences “. And you do realize that not everyone sleeps with a bunch of people, right?

[Rangers]

You do realize that false accusations are at an all time high for rape? And where did you get that number because it sounds like nonsense, you citing the poll which asked people if they'd been touched sexually and then taking a mile to say that they're saying they were raped?

Being irresponsible and wreckless doesn't grant someone the right to kill another human being, your comparison is completely ridiculous. The smoker was making bad decisions but they should be treated as they don't forfeit their right to life just because they made bad decisions.

They have to deal with consequences because they still don't have a right to kill another human for their convenience. If you're going to have football teams run a creampie train on you and say no to birth control pills which cost nothing to them, you still have no right to kill the human being you created because you're irresponsible and wreckless. I fail to realize how that's such a hard concept for you to understand.

Although you are a liberal, so it's not surprising that you're failing so hilariously at critical thinking

[cth96190]

If you had bothered to read the legislation (which you self-evidently did not) you would have seen that it contained provisions for rape and incest.
Are you just another lying Democrat?

[Twalli]

But not for those that have a grudge

[Angie221994]

I just want to add that Plan B is only effective for women under 140 lbs. in case y’all thought that was a solution.

[jshm2]

I don't. Only something like 1% or less of the cases put forward for abortion are due to incest or rape.

[Angie221994]

You do realize 80% of abortions go unreported, right?

[hahahmm]

Ban abortion. Require the rapist to pay a fine equal to what a surrogate mother would be paid to carry a child... plus the rapist goes to prison for rape.

[Halibut]

Abortion typically protects the aborted. That's because the majority majority of the time it occurs during a stage of pregnancy before the aborted can experience pain. If an organism can't experience pain and doesn't understand death, it cannot be harmed by death. That organism can, however, be helped by death... in the sense that if I'm, say, a 16 year old who gets pregnant and I get an abortion and have another child later, that's essentially teleporting the first fetus into the future, when the parent is more ready to care for it.

In that way, banning all abortion punishes the child, the parents, and society in general for no reason. A more ethical form of tyranny... one that would actually help people... would be to set up a state-run eugenics program that would mandate abortions of any fetus with a genetic disorder or birth defect. That would be terribly tyrannical... but it could be argued to protect children, unlike your system.

[Hanmakevi]

Can’t wait till it’s illegal or they at least Up the price it women gotta pay 20k for an abortion I bet they’d quit being so perverted and show some self control if you don’t wanna have a baby then don’t have sex it’s that simple

[BlackBeauty90]

@Hanmakevi - are you an idiot? Rape & incest doesn't have anything to do with what you blubbered about like a retard.

[Hanmakevi]

@BlackBeauty90 rape is avoidable let’s stop pretending like it’s not and who are we to decide who deserves to live and who doesn’t abortion is no different than the nazis

[BlackBeauty90]

@Hanmakevi - bend over and bray as the donkey fucks you up the ass. Rape isn't avoidable you worthless idiot.

[Hanmakevi]

@BlackBeauty90 then how do billions of people live their entire lives without being raped?

[Hanmakevi]

I’ll wait...

[Anonymous]

Taking the option away, especially in this case, is another form of rape. IMHO

[Stoner710]

All abortion should be illegal. Now the rapist should be tortured medieval style and executed but just because one wrong occurred doesn’t mean you get to commit another wrong by murdering your child

[Question_091]

I believe ultimately the woman could decide to have the baby or not. But as a person who was almost aborted, I believe the child deserves a chance at life.

[Angie221994]

I like this answer. I think a lot of us wouldn’t personally choose it but shouldn’t tell other people what to do with their body because they will ultimately be the ones who have to raise the baby if they keep it.

[Question_091]

Agreed, ultimately all choices have a reward or consequence, whether it happens immediately or over time. I guess in general, the best solution is to avoid more regret than adding to it.

[blondfrog]

Yeah that's too extreme. They should get the special exception. I would still say give up for adoption even in this extreme circumstance but knowing how bad our foster care system is I think they should have the abortion option.

[MrSwisher]

Hopefully it'll be overturned in court. Women should have the right to terminate pregnancy and it shouldn't be societies responsibility to raise defective children due to inbreeding or damage from disease or drug abuse.

[Halibut]

If it's not... we've got to keep complaining about it until it is. This an absurd law.
Iran used to be a civilized country until it was taken over by religious zealots.
We can't let that happen elsewhere.

[Gwenhwyfar]

I don’t like this. Even the worst abortion laws always exempted rape and incest.

[Rangers]

Abbott said there will be exemptions for that as well

[Gwenhwyfar]

@Rangers thst’s good. I still don’t like the Texas law but at least he’s being humane.

[xXstrangermae]

I think that rape is a terrible thing and the people who put their votes in didn't see where it said legal not illegal

[Asker]

No, I think many meant to choose to make abortion Illegal.

[Celtero]

How do you feel about people who have multiple abortions as plan C birth control?

[t-8900]

knew a chick like that. She had 5 abortions. I made it a point for each of her knew BFs to know that info before they fucked her. She despised me for it but I'm saving babies damn it!

[Celtero]

@t-8900 Those are the majority of abortions... people who are too incompetent to use contraceptives.

[t-8900]

@celtero sluts, yes :)

[Halibut]

I think that's perfectly fine. Those people will generally get them quickly. The cost of pregnancy would be much greater. I think they should be encouraged... given that we still live in a world in which people sometimes get pregnant just to give the baby up for adoption.

[Celtero]

@Halibut Guess you should've been aborted too.

[Halibut]

@celtero I don't think i should have been aborted. My life is not particularly bad... but I certainly would not have lost anything from that. I'd still be here in every way that matters. If my mother had another child, that might as well be me. I wouldn't know any different, and if she didn't I still wouldn't know any different.

[Celtero]

@Halibut No, it wouldn't be you. It'd be your sibling. Completely different DNA because completely different sperm and egg. Still your parent's child, but not you.

[Halibut]

@celtero "No, it wouldn't be you. It'd be your sibling. Completely different DNA because completely different sperm and egg. Still your parent's child, but not you."

And can you think of why that would matter? Because I can't. If I don't know that some other version of me could have existed but never did... the other person who was born still calls themselves "me." That person is, therefore, me... just me without some trivial genetic differences that I have no reason to care about because I never knew I could have been anything different.

What makes death harmful is any suffering that results from that death. If the organism can't experience pain from the death hand doesn't understand death, it cannot be harmed by the death. That's the important thing to remember.

[Celtero]

@Halibut Uh, no. Life in itself is valuable. That's like saying if I killed you painlessly and nobody was saddened by it then I didn't commit an immoral act because there was no suffering involved.

[t-8900]

sadly some of them get "excitement" at the risk. smdh these people I swear...

[Anonymous]

i don't understand why some do incest. its fucking shameful. a man protects his sister. where are your values and principles? . it is those who have been lead astray and worse off than animals. and shouldn't call themselves men. . losers. Disgusting.

[Commander_Shepard]

It's fcked up. No matter what your views are, it's not your body, leave it up to the woman - she's carrying it not you.

[MrKinktastic]

I feel like they’re going to go to the next state over if they need one/can afford it.

[DWornock]

The law is not a problem if a girl is raped. If a girl is raped she just needs to go to a drug store and purchase Plan B.

[Twalli]

Until it fails

[DWornock]

@Twalli Occasionally that happens but no law can solve all problems. It is always a trade-off. At best you hope to minimize them.

[Asker]

After 72 Plan B hours it loses effectiveness. Of course with date rape drugs a girl may not know she was raped until too late.

[Asker]

^ bad writing...

After 72 hours Plan B loses effectiveness.

[DWornock]

I read for context, not for perfect grammar so I wouldn't have noticed it if you didn't point it out. I suspect date rape drugs are not a frequent problem. Regardless, the Texas law allows 6 weeks for an abortion which is long enough to miss 2 periods since it is 14 days from ovulation to the first period. Therefore, that is long enough in almost all cases. Again, no law is perfect enough to account for all possible circumstances. Therefore, it is a tradeoff. Occasionally, someone is unlucky and that is unfortunate, but that's life. Even so, for the rare unlucky girl, she has the option of going to another state.

[Twalli]

And anyone she asks for help can be sued.

[DWornock]

@Twalli And, anyone she doesn't ask can be sued.

[Twalli]

But probably not for aiding her.

[TexasRed95]

If you do some fact checking you will find most rape and incest victims choose to keep the baby. Most of them understand its not the child's fault. At least this was the case a few years ago.

[demonics]

I believe the OP didn't read the effing bill. Nor did the smoothbrains commenting. Repeal the 19th.

[Asker]

Did YOU read it? No exemption for rape or incest. Read the bill. Also, the clock stars at the first period, not the missed period from being pregnant

[Anonymous]

I consider abortion a form of birth control :)
Should be freely available. Whoever wants it should be able to come and get it.

[Anonymous]

I personally know someone who was raped by a group of men and still had the baby. I believe killing an innocent life is a no no, its murder period.

[Opinion Owner]

I am not into forcing people to do something they dont want to do however I am not going to support it in any way.

[xf25x]

No one should get a say in what someone else does with their body

[andreasderjuengere]

No one is forced to live in Texas.
Or in Afghanistan.

[Halibut]

Either it's illegal for them to get abortions elsewhere, in which case they've essentially had something stolen from them for pointless reasons, or it's legal for them to drive elsewhere to get an abortion, in which case the law serves no purpose except to put the fetus in a later stage of pregnancy when the abortion is gotten.

[andreasderjuengere]

In my youth, abortion was illegal. What you did: cross the border to the Netherlands and have it done THERE.
What I REALLY mean: if 'you' don't like the conditions, it's possible to move to a 'better' place. That's what I did myself

[Halibut]

it'd be better in every way to change it. Pointless laws should be changed. This is a pointless law.

[Hungdaddy812]

I personally don't believe in abortion, therefore I would never have one or assist a woman in obtaining an abortion. That doesn't mean that others can't have them.

[weasley8]

Can I just say thank you for understanding that your personal beliefs don't dictate what other people should be able to do. I was just scrolling, and not planning on responding to anything, but your comment honestly shocked me. So few people make that distinction. I appreciate it.

[Anonymous]

there's a lot of people in the government who are clearly product of incest, that's why our counties can't run properly!!

[Anonymous]

So if you kill the baby, will the victim actually feel better about their rape? I am for capital punishment of rapists. How many people are going to commit rape when it carries a death sentence?

[Kyecze]

Well, I can only speak for myself as a victim lf rape.

If I was forced to carry the fetus of a man who raped me, I would feel horrible. It would be a constant reminder for 9(!!!) months about what I went through, and I would feel sick to my stomach knowing that I’m doing something that’s spreading his genes, and that’s if I adopt away the baby.

If I don’t adopt away the baby, well, then I have too look at someone who are the direct result of that event for, well, at least 18 years. And have a constant reminder.

Even if you adopt away the baby, there is always the chance of the baby growing up, finding out they where adopted, and finding me and wanting contact, even if I take steps to make sure that won’t be possible, with more and more people taking dna test for stuff like ancestry, it would likely be hard (if not close to impossible) to cover all of my tracks so they can’t find me.

And if they find me, then there’s the damn reminder about it again, and me needing to explains why I don’t want contact with the person, and possible scarring them for life by telling them that they where not wanted, they where a product of a terrible event, a rape.

So yes. I would feel much much much better if I could abort the fetus, and get rid of the rapist dna from spreading, and causing me YEARS of pain and suffering, more than it would without a child involved.

[Opinion Owner]

@Kyecze I do have children that were unplanned so I do understand the stress it causes and especially the uncertainty but what I am wondering is if you’ve considered that an innocent human life could be the result of a horrific event. I have heard stories of victims of rape who have chosen to deliver their child and keep their child and none of them talk about their child like they are a constant reminder of being brutally raped. In your case, I absolutely understand that yours did not result in a pregnancy but can you really put yourself in someone else’s shoes who was raped and say that you would absolutely terminate your child’s life because everything that results from that child’s life will be better off will be a horrible reminder of the father brutally attacking you? Childbirth itself is a horrible traumatizing experience that can even kill the birth mother but the pain of childbirth is almost forgotten immediately once you see your child for the first time. In fact, some moms are even glib about the whole experience afterwards. I’m not excusing your rapist and I hope he dies a painful death but I would rather not make my child pay the price for someone else’s mistake.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Lol.. incest babies need to be born.
Lawlawlawlawlawlawlawlawl.

[Anonymous]

The people who put this law in place need to be shot and left to bleed out.

[zerofuks]

I love how you just prove the Republican idea that liberals love to kill with your comment

[Opinion Owner]

I’m not American idgaf about republicans or liberals or whatever bullshit politics yous have going on. But anyone forcing someone through pregnancy under those circumstances deserves a bullet 😋

[zerofuks]

So you care so much about a law that will never affect you you think it's OK to kill people who literally are not affected by this law in the way you're thinking because they literally had the freedom to move out of Texas. Really you're just proving the point all the people upset about this law don't live in Texas and they're just crying

[Opinion Owner]

You sound mad dumb. Just because it doesn’t personally affect me doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to have an opinion on it. By that logic you don’t get to have any opinion on the things that happen outside of the US. I said what I said and I’ll say it again. Anyone forcing a rape victim to go through with pregnancy deserves to be shot. Cry about it.

[Opinion Owner]

✨ freedom of speech ✨

[zerofuks]

Yes I really don't care what happens out of America you're free to live how you want for some reason you want to kill people living differently than you in America you're a very violent person.

[Opinion Owner]

Cry about it 💖

[Rangers]

Try it then, see how that works out for you. After all, it worked out really well for Rosenbaum, Gaige, and Huber in Kenosha, didn't it?

[Opinion Owner]

It’s called figure of speech.

[Rangers]

A 55gr 223 remington into your skull is a figure of speech to silence the foreign garbage coming out of your mouth. Mind your business, our militia alone could Wipeout your entire country in one month and we're sick of you fucking with our lives

[Opinion Owner]

I don’t really care. He asked, I answered lmao. Pipe down ya cunt.

[Opinion Owner]

Someone clearly took my opinion too personally 🥺 this is why people see yous as a joke

[Rangers]

Foreigners and democrats aren't people, they're disgusting animals, just like the piece of shit racoons I killed yesterday, don't worry, I won't eat you or democrats just like I didn't eat the racoons, I'll leave you for the wolves to rip apart and eat.

[Opinion Owner]

You’re exactly the reason why people hate ur country lol have a great day!

[Rangers]

Again, foreigners aren't people, and you stay out of my business or you'll be wolf food, better yet, I won't even kill you before I feed you to them

[Opinion Owner]

Ooo shiver me timbers I’m so scared 🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠

[Rangers]

Mind your own business or I'll feed you and your family to wolves. Got it? Good, go back to being a sex slave for the Islamic terrorists you love so much

[Opinion Owner]

Loool oh really? I’m so scared 🥺 however will I sleep to night knowing that Mr four eyed red neck wolf boy is going to feed my family to the wolves 🥺🥺🥺🥺😂😂😂

[jspl90]

@Rangers... maybe you should have been aborted since clearly you are fucked up in the head

[Rangers]

I'll fuck up your head with some 223 and buckshot, sound good, baby killer?

[jspl90]

come get me bro but since you sound like a inbred hillbilly i am pretty sure you can't afford a plane ticket

[jspl90]

also you are very entertaining

[Rangers]

I don't need a plane ticket to get you, I'll walk there and kill you and your whole democrat family and feed your bodies to some stray dogs and nobody will even notice you're gone

[jspl90]

oh didn't know you are jesus since you gonna walk across the sea good luck with that

[Halibut]

No they don't. The problem is a lack of education. Take all that anger and go to the discussion forums and teach to think more logically. Do what I do.

Ending the life of an organism cannot harm that organism, if the organism cannot experience pain yet and doesn't understand death. That means most abortions cannot harm the aborted, which means this ridiculous law will only harm, and not help anyone. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists say that fetuses can't experience pain until at least 24 weeks into the pregnancy.

Even after that point, I would argue that any pain experienced from an abortion needs to be weighed against the unpleasantness of being born, as well as against any negative the parents were thinking of getting the abortion for... so even from the perspective of what's best for the fetus, abortion, if the parents don't want a child, will typically be the best path for the fetus, given that about 90% of abortions or so happen in the first trimester.

It also needs to be taken into consideration that many birth defects can't be detected until well after the first trimester... and I would argue that if a fetus has a serious birth defect, or is born to a 16 year old parent, and the parent gets an abortion and has another child later, that's essentially the same thing as the first child being teleported into an existed without the birth defect, or with a parent more ready to care for it.

Needless to say, that parent not having a child at all would not harm that would-be child anymore than having one, because those who don't exist yet gain nothing from being brought into existence, because before oneself exists there is no one to gain anything from existing... and so never having the child at all would be equally beneficial to the fetus with the birth defect or young parent.

That's the type of abstract ethical thinking society needs to do more, and never does.

[Halibut]

bullets will solve nothing... and they don't deserve bullets either. They were brainwashed by culture, just as we all are to various degrees. We just got lucky. The solution is to take that anger and educate people. Head to the forums. Make logical arguments. I'd like every discussion forum to be filled with researched, intelligent, pro-choice statements.

[Halibut]

@zerofuks They're angry because the law pointlessly harms people... at best.

[Halibut]

@Rangers I'm a Democrat. Move somewhere else please and you'll make my country better. Also, note how I discouraged people from shooting other people. The Texas law sucks. We have to get rid of it. Not doing so is allowing the exact same thing that happened in Iran to start happening here. Iran used to be a civilized country too.

[Rangers]

I moved here to be free, you can either move to California or I'll send you straight to hell

[Opinion Owner]

You’re trying so hard to be threatening but it’s not working lmao ur making urself look like a fools w these comments 💀

[Rangers]

I'm so sorry for how I spoke to everyone here, I have severe anger issues as you can tell. It comes and goes, seeing a Deputy with a wife and kids being murdered in cold blood and hearing his screams as his lungs filled with blood only for people in the comments to celebrate and laugh was enough to set me off.

The whole "let them bleed out" kept me thinking about the stuff they said about the Deputy who was repaid for giving the guy every chance not to get shot after he screamed at him and pulled a rifle out of his car by being brutally murdered on the street and left with several shots through both of his lungs and his head as he struggled to take his final breathe with his 2 children and wife on his mind.

I still had absolutely no business whatsoever making threats towards people, especially people who had nothing to do with the things being said about the horrific incident. His screams haunt me deeply and to hear people laughing and celebrating this unspeakable demonic act caused me to explode and harass people. I apologize for threats and insults that I've been making😔

[Opinion Owner]

Well yes that’s horrific. I’m glad you recognised how intense those threats were though apologised.

[Opinion Owner]

*and

[Halibut]

@Rangers I shouldn't have told you to leave the country. You responded to people threatening violence and you were the more mature one. We have better routes than violence. That's what voting and the rule of law is for.

That said, death cannot harm an organism that doesn't understand death and cannot experience pain and the vast majority of fetuses that are aborted will not experience pain. Therefore, this strict of abortion bans are totally pointless and without question harm the hypothetical children they're trying to protect more than they help them.

We need this law removed through ANY legal means. I would not even object to packing the courts with Democrat candidates. This is a civil rights issue. It's the most pointlessly destructive law I've ever seen. If you'd like to talk about why, I'd be glad to discuss this further. Logic is on the side of the pro-choice side of thing, so we need to use logic to solve this. We need to discuss this issue more with people, or these pointlessly destructive laws will just happen again.

[Halibut]

@Rangers I regretted my comment too... and you were responding to someone who also made a (hopefully sarcastic) threat. I don't think you did anything particularly out of the ordinary... just so long as nobody was being literal. It was wrong of me to tell you to leave the country. I have lots of Republican friends and pro-life friends who improve the world they live in. I just think the pro-life side of things doesn't see reality accurately, and there is a tragic and pointless destructiveness that results from that, which needs to be solved through discussion. The way I see it, death just cannot harm an organism that doesn't understand death and can't experience pain... and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists say a fetus can't experience pain until at least 24 weeks. Even if they can, I look at things like any pain they experience has to be weight against the unpleasantness of being born, as well as any other negatives the parents were seeking avoiding through terminating the pregnancy.

Also... apologies are rare online. Every time I see one I think highly of the person who makes it.

[Opinion Owner]

I want to give an example. A doctor recently spoke about it. A woman had been told that the baby she was carrying was incompatible with life but because of abortion bans she could not abort it and was forced to give birth to a dead baby. Abortion bans need to be removed for people like her. This is why it makes me so angry when people defend the ban. There are many reasons why someone would want one, dangerous pregnancies, still borns etc.

[Rangers]

Abbott has been talking about exemptions lately and said there will be exemptions for such cases

[sp33d]

Well, you yankees are just plain crazy. No offense..

[Anonymous]

They aren't. You have the first 6 weeks to get an abortion in Texas. If you are a victim of rape or incest, that is enough time to abort the fetus.

[MDinkler]

That's a month and a half. A woman would probably just figure out their pregnant at 6 weeks. That's not even considering the appointment registration, waitlists, scheduling, and the appointment itself due to American health care. I'd say within 12 weeks a. k. a. the first trimester.

[Opinion Owner]

If you were raped, you would actively seek out if you were pregnant. You aren't just going to wait and see if you miss a couple periods.

[Asker]

It takes missing the first period before a pregnancy test will work. So yes, you must miss a period first.

[joeldalton]

What percentage of pregnancies arise from "incest victims"?

[MrOracle]

If you combine rape and incest pregnancies, they represent less than 2% of abortions over the last 10 years. This is a strawman argument, and even if these situations were exempt, they'd find other reasons to complain.

[EnglishEuropean]

The next thing Texas will do is legalize rape and incest.

[Jouth]

I'm on the fence here. It's a tricky issue. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for killing babies, I'm just not too sure about giving women the choice.

[noohair]

Rape and incest are illegal.
I am not wise enough to figure out abortion.

[purplepoppy]

Aren't most babies in texas incest babies anyway

[Rangers]

We're not the ones who legalized having sex with siblings, like NJ did

[Hanmakevi]

Your such a stateist

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

Welcome to Texas... and how it loves to act

UNCONSTITUTIONALLY

[Jake99999]

Uh…no, the recent law changes in Texas were reviewed by the Supreme Court and they were upheld. Read and learn instead of just fake propaganda.

[Halibut]

I think it might be constitutional. It's set up so that citizens can make the lawsuits rather than some government organization, which acts as a loophole. If that's the case... what we need to do is alter the constitution, I'd say, or complain until that happens... because this law is ridiculous. I don't care if they have to pack the Supreme Court with left-leaning judges or not. I see this as a civil-rights issue and this is totally intolerable... what Texas is doing now.

[Agape93]

Chose A. This is why I don't live in red states.

[lovedejj_xo]

Ugh A. My answer will always be A for all idc.

[888theGreat]

They are still allowed to have abortions

[Asker]

Not after 6 weeks

[Anonymous]

they can't leave the state to get an abortion?

[Asker]

The new Texas law has a tattletale provision along with punishment for anyone who helps someone get an abortion. A driver, for example, helping a girl cross state lines to get an abortion can get prosecuted. Also, it can take 6 hours to drive out of Texas from some counties.

[Angie221994]

You can get punished for it. Especially if someone finds out. There’s a bounty of $10,000 for anyone who reports it. So you could actually get imprisoned for a miscarriage.

[Angie221994]

Not to mention I live in southern texas. It takes 14 hours to get out of Texas.

[Opinion Owner]

@Angie221994 two words : MEXI COI

[Angie221994]

Four words: ITS ILLEGAL IN MEXICO

[Jake99999]

The asker is full of crap. Texas law does not force a rape victim to have the baby. Stop believing this propaganda

[Angie221994]

Um. No. Have you seen what Gregg abbot said? They asked about rape victims and all he said is that he’s eliminating rape 🤦‍♀️ lol. Rape victims don’t get more than 6 weeks to get an abortion is what the issue is.

[Opinion Owner]

I suggest that all of you liberals and leftists leave Texas for the greener pastures of California or NY.

[Angie221994]

I suggest that all you men don’t make laws that regulate women’s bodies. Thanks.

[Jake99999]

After a rape monitoring for pregnancy is standard procedure for anyone concerned about an unwanted pregnancy. And the law allows for the ending of that pregnancy. Six weeks is plenty of time to determine it and legal abort.

[Jake99999]

If you are raped. Report it. So they can catch and punish the scumbag. Monitor for pregnancy. Abort if you are pregnant. The asker says you are forced to have the kid. Like there is zero consideration for a rape. That is not true. It’s up to you to monitor and then you can end the pregnancy. That that is what the law says. Once again some people want no accountability for what they do. If you are raped - 6 weeks is plenty of time to determine a pregnancy which can be detected even with a home kit after just 10 days. So test for several weeks after to be sure you are not pregnant. It’s a very important issue so pay attention to it. The law was reviewed and upheld by the Supreme Court. If you don’t like it, don’t live in Texas

[Angie221994]

You do realize that it takes 4-5 weeks after sex to get a positive pregnancy test right? Some tests will give you false negatives if you test too early. So 6 weeks is NOT enough time.

[Angie221994]

Pregnancy is NOT detected by 10 days after. That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Just say you know NOTHING about reproductive health. No uterus; no opinion. Thanks 👏

[Angie221994]

Like. Y’all do realize that for every 1,000 rapes that get reported, only 7 go to prison, right?

[Jake99999]

Uh…yes you can. Why don’t you go argue with the Cleveland Clinic then

my.clevelandclinic.org/.../9703-pregnancy-tests

[Angie221994]

Ez-Bri-Z, is correct. They don’t count the weeks on the same day that you had sex. They count it from your last period. So if you had your period on the 1st of the month. Then had sex on the 14th of the month, in the medical field; that’s considered 2 weeks already. By the time you’re able to get a pregnancy test, you’re already 4-5 weeks. Not to mention that you need to go for blood work BEFORE getting an abortion to make sure you’re healthy enough to get one. How long do you think blood work results take? At least 1-2 weeks. Then to find availability afterwards for the abortion. You’re an idiot.

[Angie221994]

Um. No you can’t. If you had the capability to read, I know it’s hard for men to read, I understand, but it says your body starts making HCG levels at 10 days after. But they’re NOT high enough to be detected in a pregnancy test. That’s why Pregnancy tests say to take it AFTER your missed period. 🤦‍♀️

[Angie221994]

I like how you included an article and didn’t bother reading that it states your body begins to make HCG levels 10 days after conception BUT is not detectable by a pregnancy test until AFTER a missed period. The levels aren’t high enough to be detected yet 😂

[Jake99999]

I did read it. But whatever I put up you are are going to aggressively argue and get insulting…so - whatever. The article says it’s possible to detect very early and cam be confirmed after a missed period. All well within 6 weeks. But I get it, you are just going to argue till the end of time and get insulting - so think whatever you want.

“A blood test for pregnancy might be done in special circumstances, such as for women who are having infertility treatments or when the healthcare provider thinks there might be a problem.

These blood tests are slightly more sensitive than urine tests because they can detect very small levels of hCG. That means they can provide a more accurate answer very early on in pregnancy — within nine to 12 days after conception. For this test, your blood sample is taken and sent to a lab for analysis. Results might take anywhere from a few hours to more than a day.”

[Angie221994]

Lol. And how long will it take to get an appointment for a blood test? My nearest clinic is booked out till November.

You don’t know anything. 😂😂 and you just continue to embarrass yourself. It’s not within 6 weeks. They start counting the weeks from your last period. So by the time you have sex or get assaulted, you could be anywhere from 2-3 weeks because of how they count pregnancy. Then you have to wait for a pregnancy test for around 14 days. You’re 4-5 weeks now. And then make an appt for blood work to make sure you’re healthy enough for an abortion. Results take about a week to get back. You’re now 5-6 weeks pregnant at this point.

Just stop embarrassing yourself. Lol. You’re trying so hard to be right and you’re just proving how ignorant you are. Lol.

[Opinion Owner]

I pray the Texas becomes even more oppressive to the left and cause you all to leave forever.

[Angie221994]

@ez-bri-z agreed. The guys on here are so ignorant. And have no idea how reproductive health works. It’s astonishing.

[Angie221994]

Doubt that will ever happen since there’s already a campaign made by REPUBLICANS to vote Gregg abbot, the cripple, out of office 😂😂 nice try.

[Opinion Owner]

@Angie221994 conservatives hate women like you. How awful

[Opinion Owner]

@Ez-Bri-Z they hate you and will do what they need to do to rid their state of you and your friends.

[Opinion Owner]

@Ez-Bri-Z I laugh at you and your kind. I see you make the statement that you aren't leftist/marxiast/liberal while every member of gag knows that you are a leftist lesbian who is also a transvestite activist. Stop trying to gaslight people. Nobody respects you

[Opinion Owner]

@Ez-Bri-Z and yet no one has ever witnessed you do that. You always push your pro women, pro lesbian and pro transvestite agenda. Please excuse me if I think that you are full of shite

[Opinion Owner]

@Ez-Bri-Z Could you ever stop yourself from posting on another person's thread when they find you annoying. I don't think that you can. Let's see it you can stop yourself from responding to this last reply

[Opinion Owner]

@Ez-Bri-Z You accused me of stalking you but you are on my thread. I never go on your thread. Feel free to be your disrespectful marxist self and I will now delete all of your replies because of you disrespect

[BlueEyesWhiteDragon_]

USA is f***** and a joke to the world. Lol.