I remember hairyass telling us if a vaccine was developed under the Trump administration she wouldn’t trust it or take it. She bears a lot of the responsibility for the confusion
So what you’re saying is, in this statement “ "If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it,” all you heard was “if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it,” So again, I ask, who is responsible for that confusion?
Perhaps she could have used easier words for you to understand. Apparently “If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it” is too muddled and convoluted for you to comprehend. Okay, I can see how it would be her fault now that I think about it. She didn’t really consider what level of understanding her audience would have, and failed to dumb it down enough for some. I agree with you. That’s her fault.
@UCrayCray You are wasting your time with that one. The stupidity and pride for stupidity has reached epic proportions. To suffer from Trumpster syndrome might be a future entry in the medical books.
Who in the world knows that many people. And that many people died from it? I havnt even heard 1 person I know or even knew die from it. Crazy how different that seems..
The only upside to all this, if there is one, is that the virus is killing Republicans mostly. My sympathies for the loss of your loved ones no matter what.
After the vaccin3z people are dropping dead this moron kool dumbass thinks is because of C0ViD since the TV said so.
18 months before the jabs came out meanwhile C0ViD was heavily promoted by the fake mainstream media no one died based on the fat obese people which were the same numbers as the flu
I don't know anyone who has died either. I've known 6 people that had it so far but their immune systems fought it off. They said it felt like a bad flu.
My unvaccinated husband got covid-19 from his vaccinated co-worker. Then after he recovered my 17 yr old son got covid-19 three weeks later from persons unknown. He works fast food so I'm guessing he got it working. Then 2 weeks later my sons girlfriend and her family all tested positive for covid-19. Luckily it wasn't serious enough for any of them to be hospitalized.
1. A substance giving to stimulate the body's production of antibodies and provide immunity against a disease, prepared from the agent that causes the disease, or a synthetic substitute." (Literally the first definition in wiktionary, from 2005.)
@Amur8711 Not perfect immunity, no. It "just" reduces infection risk by half and saves the lives of most of the people who've had it and do subsequently get infected. (The UK's had half its cases of covid since May this year, and 10% of its deaths, for example.)
So its not a vaccine. Sure but now "vaccinated" are the ones getting hospitalized from it now more frequently than before, and the number is rising as the unvaccinated numbers fall.
@Amur8711 Of course it's a vaccine. No vaccine has ever provided 100% immunity (nor does recovery from a disease). There are now many more vaccinated people than unvaccinated. If everyone was vaccinated, 100% of the cases in hospital would be vaccinated people, but there would be a hell of a lot less of them than if nobody was vaccinated. Show me the numbers.
@Amur8711 A fair point about immunity being in the definition, but there's implicitly levels of immunity, otherwise you couldn't say better or worse immunity, could you?
@Amur8711 It's as much a vaccine as any other vaccine, and more effective than most flu vaccines. Are you going to stop calling the flu vaccine a vaccine?
Never referred to them as a vaccine anyway. Just called it a shot. Also Never needed one if those either. Overall the covid-19 you have 99.972 percent chance in surviving without any vaccine.
Got that number from CNN when the said you have a 99.999% chance I surviving covid with the vaccine, then they said your 20x more likely to die without the vaccine. If you do the math thats 99.9972%
One in 440 Americans have died already, although most Americans haven't had it yet. That's the ultimate lower bound for the fatality rate in the US: 0.229% (2,290 per million), but that's obviously too low, since Mississippi has had 3,382 deaths per million, so it's significantly more than 0.3382%, since only a minority have caught it yet.
Isreal just did a study and found that natural immunity is 13x more powerful than the phizer vaccine. Which only makes sense. A vaccine is a dummy version of a virus, if you beat it naturally your antibodies are obviously going to be stronger than ones that fought a dummy.
Everyone knows that the numbers of covid-19 deaths are severely bloated, using any change to add to the tally possible. All to make money for the pharmaceutical companies.
@Amur8711 Except those that don't achieve that wonderful natural immunity are dead. Bit of a drawback, there.
And, no, nobody "knows" that, because it's not true. Just look at the number of excess deaths over the last year (compared to the previous five years).
@Amur8711 That's a loaded term: "have to". I'd expect an exemption for having recovered, provided you can prove it, like here in Europe. The electronic covid "passport" covers innoculated, recovered and recently tested negative. They *should* still probably get one shot, because that's been shown to increase resistance, even after recovering.
Well here there is no such thing as proving it. My dad is being forced to get it or be fired. The only othe option is exemption by medical or religious grounds.
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You've been to over 125 funerals? How come you aren't in your basement? Out there spreading the coof. You bastard.
I remember hairyass telling us if a vaccine was developed under the Trump administration she wouldn’t trust it or take it. She bears a lot of the responsibility for the confusion
But that’s not what she said.
Who is responsible for that confusion?
@UCrayCray that is what she said
So what you’re saying is, in this statement “ "If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it,” all you heard was “if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it,”
So again, I ask, who is responsible for that confusion?
@UCrayCray she is
Perhaps she could have used easier words for you to understand. Apparently “If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it” is too muddled and convoluted for you to comprehend.
Okay, I can see how it would be her fault now that I think about it. She didn’t really consider what level of understanding her audience would have, and failed to dumb it down enough for some.
I agree with you. That’s her fault.
@UCrayCray You are wasting your time with that one. The stupidity and pride for stupidity has reached epic proportions. To suffer from Trumpster syndrome might be a future entry in the medical books.
@Pogi-Paddy-2 In the end, it's up to each person to decide if the COVID vaccine is right for them or not.
There's almost a 100% survival rate without the vaccines.
Enough of this Covid-19 B. S. it's super annoying already.
Who in the world knows that many people. And that many people died from it? I havnt even heard 1 person I know or even knew die from it. Crazy how different that seems..
The only upside to all this, if there is one, is that the virus is killing Republicans mostly. My sympathies for the loss of your loved ones no matter what.
its like bad airplane pilots, theirs fewer and fewer every day
People who are vaccinated are less likely to die, but the other big lie is that vaccines are going to stop the spread of covid. They are not.
I dont know anyone personally who died from covid they all recovered naturally the vaccines have risks
My question is why can't the vaccine pushers see that it's no excuse for authoritarianism.
You've been to over 125 funerals this year which is one funeral every two days? Yeah sure you have.
The only funerals were for his brain cells that he lost.
Personally, I can't see how anyone could view the COVID Drug Shots as anything but dangerously RISKY. And that's putting it mildly
because this test on humans they called "vaccine" does NOT work. And I do not want to be a test dummy for their profit making experiment.
I keep thinking how history will judge that. What people will say
I wonder if they all this debate/bitching during the Spanish Flu 100 years ago?
the whole problem with these vaccines is that they are experimental.
You have been no funerals at all, and you are a sissy... and probably a CCP bot too.
I don't know anyone who has died of Covid.
I guess, I found an alien
After the vaccin3z people are dropping dead this moron kool dumbass thinks is because of C0ViD since the TV said so.
18 months before the jabs came out meanwhile C0ViD was heavily promoted by the fake mainstream media no one died based on the fat obese people which were the same numbers as the flu
@daniela1982 I know more people that were murdered than died from Covid
I don't know anyone who died of gunshot or car accident.
@mjthecoach I have read zip about people dying from the flu that happens every year about this time. They all die of Covid.
It is such a shame a guru level member saying this. Anyway, I'm not here to argue. Good luck with that mindset.
@daniela
Not only do I not know anyone who has died I don’t even know anyone who ended up on ventilators. I know a lot of people who have had it.
I don't know anyone who has died either. I've known 6 people that had it so far but their immune systems fought it off. They said it felt like a bad flu.
My unvaccinated husband got covid-19 from his vaccinated co-worker. Then after he recovered my 17 yr old son got covid-19 three weeks later from persons unknown. He works fast food so I'm guessing he got it working. Then 2 weeks later my sons girlfriend and her family all tested positive for covid-19. Luckily it wasn't serious enough for any of them to be hospitalized.
@koolbrz what did she say that was so horrible? The truth? Let's not tell the truth now. You can't handle the truth apparently.
Because they are dumb.
How does it save lives when it doesn't even meet the definition of vaccine?
@Amur8711 "vaccine
1. A substance giving to stimulate the body's production of antibodies and provide immunity against a disease, prepared from the agent that causes the disease, or a synthetic substitute." (Literally the first definition in wiktionary, from 2005.)
The first definition of vaccine, of course. en.wiktionary.org/.../index.php
But it doesn't provide immunity now does it.
@Amur8711 Not perfect immunity, no. It "just" reduces infection risk by half and saves the lives of most of the people who've had it and do subsequently get infected. (The UK's had half its cases of covid since May this year, and 10% of its deaths, for example.)
So its not a vaccine. Sure but now "vaccinated" are the ones getting hospitalized from it now more frequently than before, and the number is rising as the unvaccinated numbers fall.
@Amur8711 Of course it's a vaccine. No vaccine has ever provided 100% immunity (nor does recovery from a disease). There are now many more vaccinated people than unvaccinated. If everyone was vaccinated, 100% of the cases in hospital would be vaccinated people, but there would be a hell of a lot less of them than if nobody was vaccinated. Show me the numbers.
Then why does the definition say immunity?
Also those that produce natural immunity will always have a better immune system than the vaccinated.
@Amur8711 A fair point about immunity being in the definition, but there's implicitly levels of immunity, otherwise you couldn't say better or worse immunity, could you?
Then don't call it a vaccine!
@Amur8711 Then you can't call ANY vaccine a vaccine!
Thats true. But no instead they change the definition of vaccine for covid-19 to protects you from virus instead of immune.
@Amur8711 It's as much a vaccine as any other vaccine, and more effective than most flu vaccines. Are you going to stop calling the flu vaccine a vaccine?
Never referred to them as a vaccine anyway. Just called it a shot. Also Never needed one if those either. Overall the covid-19 you have 99.972 percent chance in surviving without any vaccine.
@Amur8711 I'm not sure where you got that number. It's wrong.
(1−,99972)×330,000,000 = 92,400
92,400 < 750,000 (and that's without all 330 million Americans being infected.)
Got that number from CNN when the said you have a 99.999% chance I surviving covid with the vaccine, then they said your 20x more likely to die without the vaccine. If you do the math thats 99.9972%
Sorry 99.972%
@Amur8711 I doubt they were speaking literally.
One in 440 Americans have died already, although most Americans haven't had it yet. That's the ultimate lower bound for the fatality rate in the US: 0.229% (2,290 per million), but that's obviously too low, since Mississippi has had 3,382 deaths per million, so it's significantly more than 0.3382%, since only a minority have caught it yet.
Isreal just did a study and found that natural immunity is 13x more powerful than the phizer vaccine. Which only makes sense. A vaccine is a dummy version of a virus, if you beat it naturally your antibodies are obviously going to be stronger than ones that fought a dummy.
Everyone knows that the numbers of covid-19 deaths are severely bloated, using any change to add to the tally possible. All to make money for the pharmaceutical companies.
@Amur8711 Except those that don't achieve that wonderful natural immunity are dead. Bit of a drawback, there.
And, no, nobody "knows" that, because it's not true. Just look at the number of excess deaths over the last year (compared to the previous five years).
@goaded Should those that got covid-19 and survived have to get the shot?
@Amur8711 That's a loaded term: "have to". I'd expect an exemption for having recovered, provided you can prove it, like here in Europe. The electronic covid "passport" covers innoculated, recovered and recently tested negative. They *should* still probably get one shot, because that's been shown to increase resistance, even after recovering.
Well here there is no such thing as proving it. My dad is being forced to get it or be fired. The only othe option is exemption by medical or religious grounds.
@Amur8711 Then he should just get the shots. It's really not a big deal.
Yes it us a big deal! In the beginning it was it won't be mandatory, now its mandatory. Also this does go against our Christian beliefs.
@Amur8711 Well, if that's really true, you just said there's a religious exemption... Is there no frequent testing option?
@goaded his work isn't giving that option. But they still will determine if he will or will not be exempt. Probably will not exempt him.
@Amur8711 That's his employer's choice, then. The government allows a testing option.
Because people still die despite vaccination!