No it doesn’t, you just read my question. Without reading my reasoning behind it? I used to be conservative so I’m speaking on this from a place of knowing people that think this way and having used to think this way myself, conservatives are close minded in a way that’s different because they never even attempt to engage with leftist thought unless it’s in a controlled environment. Ben Shapiro and Steven crowder only ever really debate in environments filled with conservatives or with students who have no idea what their talking about and post it up on their channels as if they’re valid critiques of the left instead of talking to people on the left that are actually educated on these topics.
okay- You are just making an example out of Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder. Lots of liberals do the same thing that they do. Liberals will; only show up on college campuses because they are playing to a friendly audience. There are a lot of Conservatives that are open minded. They will debate you all day and at the end of it all will give your opinions a sincere critique.
I’m not defending liberals in any way, however from the liberals I’ve watched they interact with other ideologies way more than the average conservative commentator.
Most of the biggest ones: tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and other people of that brand which have a lot of influence in conservative media are guilty of this as well. In fact with both of them having extremely disingenuous backgrounds, a long list of spreading misinformation, etc.
Here’s a clip of how tucker Carlson reacts when debating people who actually know what their talking about
Or the awful Steven crowder vs Sam Seder debate where Steven crowder was so scared he refused to debate him? Why was he so scared : https://youtu.be/Fvg5RTrFLfI
Even as a leftist myself I rarely ever am able to have productive conversations with right wingers. It’s almost always the same old “you hate America” “go back to (insert country here)”, “you’re brainwashed” non sense.
@doopayo Conservative commentators, Crowder and Shapiro specifically are actually very open to debating left wingers; they do it all the time. Both of those guys have video series where they talk with people of different political opinions specifically to have a debate. The reason Crowder refused to debate Seder is because of audience size and Seder's behavior, not his politics.
@FilmGuy93 my problem was never that they don’t debate leftist, the problem is they tend to rarely ever debate actual debaters.
Why is Ben Shapiro always going to college campuses to sit down and “own” a leftist who half the time isn’t as skilled in debating like him so they’re unable to have fair debates.
That’s the issue. You can believe whatever you want to believe but that’s still a piss poor excuse, you’re telling me crowder. A guy with over a million subs is scared cause Sam has a “bigger audience size”. He was scared because he’d actually have to debate someone who know what they were talking about for once which was against the perfect formula this failed comedian has been using for years
No no, what I'm saying is that Sam Seder's audience size is a lot smaller. Here's a great Reddit thread that explains what was going on. www.reddit.com/.../ Sam Seder has a long history of bad faith debating.
@doopayo Well I watched through both of those videos and neither of them demonstrate much of any bad faith arguments. I agree that Crowder is abrasive and offensive at times, but both of these videos rely pretty heavily on trying to draw false equivalencies, which demonstrates the critic's bad faith more than Crowder's. The points they try to compare just don't line up; they also try to take clearly satirical content out of context to make it seem like Crowder is saying something that he isn't.
They only successfully demonstrated that Crowder was being hypocritical one time; when he criticizes left wing comedians for only playing liberal venues while he plays conservative venues. Crowder is an asshole, but his messaging is very consistent; he promotes Conservativism and judeo-christian values, while making fun of people who do not.
Literally no ones arguing about his inconsistency the problem is he never wants to debate people outside of his little bubble because he can’t hold up in an actual fair debate with people who are educated on what they’re talking about
He constantly misconstrues data and information to fit his beliefs and is still very well known at only debating in spaces filled with his supporters predominantly
Read The Moral Arc by Michael Shermer. He goes into great detail why we've shifted or have failed to shift.
@ADFSDF1996 he is quite right. The left is often very resistant to hear the opposing side, too.
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Cuntservatives like steven crowder never dare to discuss with liberal people on their level since they are cowards. They rather choose some naive not prepared liberal teenies in front of colleges/universities. He is a professional speaker and is well prepared when it comes to certain topics but he choose inexperienced not prepared kids to discuss. Lol.
Yep, same goes for Ben "I talk super fast and make 20 false claims per second to make myself look like a good debater, also my wife is a doctor!" Shapiro. These right-wingers - as you correctly said - are trained speakers and they choose their debates very selectively.
Have you seen Sam Seder crashing Crowder's show? Crowder is such a coward haha. And if you watch Ben Shapiro debate anyone other than a college kid, you'll see how full of shit he is.
You are worried about the wrong things. I no longer buy into the fake right vs left nonsense but I will say this. Conservatives defending your 1st and second amendment rights are the only thing keeping our people safe so all of this other divisive nonsense. BLM and all of that is meaningless divide and conquer nonsense that the government puts out there.
Politics is nothing but a distraction so people can have meaningless arguments on sites like this and with their friends and families. It is a waste of time to fight over these meaningless issues. Who comes over the border and who doesn't and that kind of nonsense. People are gonna come here no matter who argues about it and why do you care if someone is against it? Neither you or the person you are arguing with it about is going to change anything. The funniest part is the UN is all together playing everybody. We are a one world government already it just has not been made official so borders do not even matter really.
Just because you don’t see the value in my question doesn’t mean it’s stupid. That just means it offended you so much you aren’t able to think critically
@doopayo You are literally saying in your question that conservatives don't have open minds... which is an extremely close minded assumption.. so its not a very well written question. Unless your soul trying to sound ignorant on purpose to gen up post.
Why are all liberals dumb?
That basically the same question you asked in reverse... its stupid and ignorant primise to base a question on.
Oh I just realized you're 15... opps you aren't educated yet inbtge ways of the world. Apologies... this why there should be an age limit required... I didn't even realize your just a kid.
Some are, some aren't. Same as any other group. The fact that you weren't open minded doesn't mean other conservatives aren't.
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I can understand Shapiro, his form of debating sucks. I don't know enough about PragerU but I would agree with you if they closed their comments.
Crowder on the other hand I completely disagree and you gave the worst possible examples of videos for him. Those videos are him showing that his mind is open enough to have debates with anyone who is willing to challenge him.
Conservatives have very open minds, they just don’t leave them open so far as to where their brains fall out.
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Perhaps they learned from the left who seems to call anyone left for Mao "alt-right" "nazi" "neo nazi" or similar bullshit just because they don't agree 100% with the extreme leftists?
Have you noticed that everything that benefits the average person in America is branded by the right as socialism or communism? Things that have been implemented in Europe for decades.
@goaded lol yeah. It’s because most right wingers in the US don’t understand the difference between neoliberalism and leftism. In their eyes they’re both evil
I can give an example. Leftist preaches about equality and inclusivity. But get pissed when you give it to them. Last year they said all cops are corrupt. So I naturally I give them cops working on hate crimes against the LGBT community as examples of said corrupt cops. They say black and white people are equal. Yet somehow white lives matters, all lives matters or blue live matters are sooo much worse than BLM. Like somehow blm ain't as excluding as wlm.
Remember earlier this year, how the justice system was so corrupt before Chauvin's trial reached its guilty verdict? Little old me got in lot of hard weather whn I out of goodness of my heart decided to help them by giving the leftists Metoo related examples. And after Chauvin's trial. weird how those same leftists who said the system is corrupt celebrated said corruption :( You can bet that those who expect you to support BLM would block you on twitter instantly or try to get you to lose your job if they see you have "Blue lives matter! Super straight" in your twitter bio
Not to mention they IRL expect you to listen to their bullcrap about the LGBT community without complaints, yet they can shut you up if you dare to have a different opinion.
And forced diversity is real. I have had to hire a black dude because he is black despite having two more qualified candidates because they happen to not be black and we did not have any black emoplyees at that moment -__-
None of those were even credible examples, they’re just your assumptions and some unprovable claims made on your end. I doubt you had to hire a black employee because you have no other black employees. That’s not how affirmative action works
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And they hate freedom and only focuses on the stupid cultural war not the real issues
CUse they’ve rebranded everyone other than themselves as anti freedom and anti American
There are close minded people in every group. Calling all conservatives closed minded speaks volumes about yourself.
No it doesn’t, you just read my question. Without reading my reasoning behind it? I used to be conservative so I’m speaking on this from a place of knowing people that think this way and having used to think this way myself, conservatives are close minded in a way that’s different because they never even attempt to engage with leftist thought unless it’s in a controlled environment. Ben Shapiro and Steven crowder only ever really debate in environments filled with conservatives or with students who have no idea what their talking about and post it up on their channels as if they’re valid critiques of the left instead of talking to people on the left that are actually educated on these topics.
I have seen it
okay- You are just making an example out of Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder. Lots of liberals do the same thing that they do. Liberals will; only show up on college campuses because they are playing to a friendly audience. There are a lot of Conservatives that are open minded. They will debate you all day and at the end of it all will give your opinions a sincere critique.
I’m not defending liberals in any way, however from the liberals I’ve watched they interact with other ideologies way more than the average conservative commentator.
Most of the biggest ones: tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and other people of that brand which have a lot of influence in conservative media are guilty of this as well. In fact with both of them having extremely disingenuous backgrounds, a long list of spreading misinformation, etc.
Here’s a clip of how tucker Carlson reacts when debating people who actually know what their talking about
https://youtu.be/7XzbxxF95vM
Or the awful Steven crowder vs Sam Seder debate where Steven crowder was so scared he refused to debate him? Why was he so scared : https://youtu.be/Fvg5RTrFLfI
Even as a leftist myself I rarely ever am able to have productive conversations with right wingers. It’s almost always the same old “you hate America” “go back to (insert country here)”, “you’re brainwashed” non sense.
@doopayo Conservative commentators, Crowder and Shapiro specifically are actually very open to debating left wingers; they do it all the time. Both of those guys have video series where they talk with people of different political opinions specifically to have a debate. The reason Crowder refused to debate Seder is because of audience size and Seder's behavior, not his politics.
@FilmGuy93 my problem was never that they don’t debate leftist, the problem is they tend to rarely ever debate actual debaters.
Why is Ben Shapiro always going to college campuses to sit down and “own” a leftist who half the time isn’t as skilled in debating like him so they’re unable to have fair debates.
That’s the issue. You can believe whatever you want to believe but that’s still a piss poor excuse, you’re telling me crowder. A guy with over a million subs is scared cause Sam has a “bigger audience size”. He was scared because he’d actually have to debate someone who know what they were talking about for once which was against the perfect formula this failed comedian has been using for years
No no, what I'm saying is that Sam Seder's audience size is a lot smaller. Here's a great Reddit thread that explains what was going on. www.reddit.com/.../
Sam Seder has a long history of bad faith debating.
As if crowder isn’t the king of bad faith debating himself. It takes one to know one
It’s hypocritical he’s terrified of debating someone that “allegedly” does the same shit he does.
Hmm... Out of curiosity, what makes you think Crowder argues in bad faith?
I could explain but there are many good videos that explain and go into detail on the many problems and controversies surrounding Steven crowder
https://youtu.be/TkNZ9cflNUY
https://youtu.be/BhlGRdGaKN8
He’s genuinely just a messed up human being. He’s done shit like this for “comedy”
This isn’t even the worst of it all.. I have lost all respect for crowder
@doopayo Well I watched through both of those videos and neither of them demonstrate much of any bad faith arguments. I agree that Crowder is abrasive and offensive at times, but both of these videos rely pretty heavily on trying to draw false equivalencies, which demonstrates the critic's bad faith more than Crowder's. The points they try to compare just don't line up; they also try to take clearly satirical content out of context to make it seem like Crowder is saying something that he isn't.
They only successfully demonstrated that Crowder was being hypocritical one time; when he criticizes left wing comedians for only playing liberal venues while he plays conservative venues. Crowder is an asshole, but his messaging is very consistent; he promotes Conservativism and judeo-christian values, while making fun of people who do not.
Being consistent doesn’t mean your arguments are any less bad faithed and disingenuous.
Literally no ones arguing about his inconsistency the problem is he never wants to debate people outside of his little bubble because he can’t hold up in an actual fair debate with people who are educated on what they’re talking about
And he’s more than just a little abrasive and offensive..
He's debated people like Naomi Wolf? Crowder's isn't trying to be an intellectual the way Shapiro is.
Shapiro’s no better tbh
He constantly misconstrues data and information to fit his beliefs and is still very well known at only debating in spaces filled with his supporters predominantly
He’s intelligent but he is extremely bias as he’s grown up in a wealthy conservative jewish background and that’s what ultimately holds him back
Read The Moral Arc by Michael Shermer. He goes into great detail why we've shifted or have failed to shift.
@ADFSDF1996 he is quite right. The left is often very resistant to hear the opposing side, too.
Cuntservatives like steven crowder never dare to discuss with liberal people on their level since they are cowards. They rather choose some naive not prepared liberal teenies in front of colleges/universities. He is a professional speaker and is well prepared when it comes to certain topics but he choose inexperienced not prepared kids to discuss. Lol.
Yep, same goes for Ben "I talk super fast and make 20 false claims per second to make myself look like a good debater, also my wife is a doctor!" Shapiro. These right-wingers - as you correctly said - are trained speakers and they choose their debates very selectively.
Have you seen Sam Seder crashing Crowder's show? Crowder is such a coward haha. And if you watch Ben Shapiro debate anyone other than a college kid, you'll see how full of shit he is.
You are worried about the wrong things. I no longer buy into the fake right vs left nonsense but I will say this. Conservatives defending your 1st and second amendment rights are the only thing keeping our people safe so all of this other divisive nonsense. BLM and all of that is meaningless divide and conquer nonsense that the government puts out there.
Conservatives only love defending the amendment for themselves and people that look like them.
That’s why famous conservatives are notorious for being xenophobic and pushing fear against immigration by falsifying information to their viewers.
No one is fighting right vs left, this is a question about why conservatives are so close minded. They never interact with differing politics
Politics is nothing but a distraction so people can have meaningless arguments on sites like this and with their friends and families. It is a waste of time to fight over these meaningless issues. Who comes over the border and who doesn't and that kind of nonsense. People are gonna come here no matter who argues about it and why do you care if someone is against it? Neither you or the person you are arguing with it about is going to change anything. The funniest part is the UN is all together playing everybody. We are a one world government already it just has not been made official so borders do not even matter really.
I’m not sure what you’re even ranting about at this point
You are very good doopayo at generating attention by asking the most ignorant questions. Good job!
Why are non conservatives stupid?
Just because you don’t see the value in my question doesn’t mean it’s stupid. That just means it offended you so much you aren’t able to think critically
@doopayo You are literally saying in your question that conservatives don't have open minds... which is an extremely close minded assumption.. so its not a very well written question. Unless your soul trying to sound ignorant on purpose to gen up post.
Why are all liberals dumb?
That basically the same question you asked in reverse... its stupid and ignorant primise to base a question on.
Oh I just realized you're 15... opps you aren't educated yet inbtge ways of the world. Apologies... this why there should be an age limit required... I didn't even realize your just a kid.
I have an open heart and a determined mind. I also have a live and let live attitude. I don't know how I could be anymore open minded than this.
Than that is a good quality to have
At 15 you were already conservative before been in some crazy situations and explored so much in gag
When did you do all this at 9?
What?
Some are, some aren't. Same as any other group. The fact that you weren't open minded doesn't mean other conservatives aren't.
I can understand Shapiro, his form of debating sucks. I don't know enough about PragerU but I would agree with you if they closed their comments.
Crowder on the other hand I completely disagree and you gave the worst possible examples of videos for him. Those videos are him showing that his mind is open enough to have debates with anyone who is willing to challenge him.
Most people that are into politics or just opinionated are stubborn on some level - especially extremists
To be fair both sides can be ethereally closed minded. It's the reasons why there is more yelling back and forth, then actual civil conversation.
Because they operate on irrational fear, and the basis of irrationality is that it doesn't allow truth and rationality to supplant it.
By definition conservatives are traditionalists and generally wary of new ideas. As they open their mind, they become more liberal.
That’s true. When I first quit being conservative I became liberal for a point in time.
I have met just as many close minded people with conservative view as I have people with more liberal views. It's fairly equal.
This isn’t about liberals, I dislike liberals and know they’re close minded this question is about conservatives though
I understand. All I'm saying is that it's fairly even its not just one group. I wasn't trying to point fingers at anyone.
I know but I am asking about conservatives specifically
Same reason as people with other views I suppose. Everyone had their own beliefs and some people are more stubborn than others.
Conservatives have very open minds, they just don’t leave them open so far as to where their brains fall out.
Perhaps they learned from the left who seems to call anyone left for Mao "alt-right" "nazi" "neo nazi" or similar bullshit just because they don't agree 100% with the extreme leftists?
Have you noticed that everything that benefits the average person in America is branded by the right as socialism or communism? Things that have been implemented in Europe for decades.
@goaded lol yeah. It’s because most right wingers in the US don’t understand the difference between neoliberalism and leftism. In their eyes they’re both evil
@goaded No, but I have noticed leftists absolute hypocritical doublestandards.
Explain?
I can give an example.
Leftist preaches about equality and inclusivity. But get pissed when you give it to them. Last year they said all cops are corrupt. So I naturally I give them cops working on hate crimes against the LGBT community as examples of said corrupt cops. They say black and white people are equal. Yet somehow white lives matters, all lives matters or blue live matters are sooo much worse than BLM. Like somehow blm ain't as excluding as wlm.
Remember earlier this year, how the justice system was so corrupt before Chauvin's trial reached its guilty verdict? Little old me got in lot of hard weather whn I out of goodness of my heart decided to help them by giving the leftists Metoo related examples. And after Chauvin's trial. weird how those same leftists who said the system is corrupt celebrated said corruption :( You can bet that those who expect you to support BLM would block you on twitter instantly or try to get you to lose your job if they see you have "Blue lives matter! Super straight" in your twitter bio
Not to mention they IRL expect you to listen to their bullcrap about the LGBT community without complaints, yet they can shut you up if you dare to have a different opinion.
And forced diversity is real. I have had to hire a black dude because he is black despite having two more qualified candidates because they happen to not be black and we did not have any black emoplyees at that moment -__-
"Last year they said all cops are corrupt" Did they? Did they really?
None of those were even credible examples, they’re just your assumptions and some unprovable claims made on your end. I doubt you had to hire a black employee because you have no other black employees. That’s not how affirmative action works
The world has never been a fair place.
The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can get on with your life.
That got nothing to do with it, you’re just saying words 😑
The media on the right is powerful. Almost propaganda.
Thank you dude
Same reason leftists have an incredibly closed mind..
This is how it works really. Conservatives see leftists as misguided, Leftists see conservatives as evil. There is no middle ground in that.