Well then you are to understand that there is absolutely no way he could have known that there was a dressing room behind that wall and that there was someone in it. He doesn't have X-ray vision and he isn't psychic.
Dude, I read what you said. You claimed he could not have known where the little girl was.
Right!
So why is he firing?
The suspect is in retreat. He has a department store that had innocent people in it. And he is firing without knowing that if a bullet misses, it can strike an innocent?
I am saying keep the same standards for citizens and officers. If you can't a policeman, then you can't charge a citizen either.
If he didn't know, and in fact couldn't know that there was someone there how and why should he be held responsible. If you were firing his weapon in the direction where he knew that there were people then it would be a different situation. But that's not what happened. 🤦🏽♂️
Wow. We clearly need to have no police at all. I'll be things would be MUCH better if only we got rid of all police. That's not a completely retarded idea guys!
Yeah, because everyone knows that holding the police accountable to the same laws that American citizens must follow is the same thing as getting rid of them.
That doesn't matter either, liberal dipshit. Nobody is protesting about it here. I live in L. A. Non-black lives don't matter to the media or protest organizers because Democrats can't use them as a political tool.
And racist troll, no one can protest on your behalf. If you are satisfied with members of your weird definition of race being murdered by police, no one can change your mind.
I don't give a shit about police violence towards white people or anybody else because I'm not a crybaby unrealistic liberal like yourself who still dreams about the world being a fair place. The world was never a fair place. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Hey lie to yourself all you want. Your actions betray you. I don't follow you racist fruitcake, because I could give a damn about your nonsense. So if you don't give a shit about anything and to give a shit is being a "liberal". Why did you bring your liberal ass here?
The Dinwiddie County Sheriff said Matthew Sharpf, 37, was arrested and charged with voluntary manslaughter shortly after he was questioned by authorities. His arrest warrant was filed at the county courthouse the day after the shooting, but more than a month later, that charge set aside during a preliminary hearing.
@RolandCuthbert there is killing someone accidentally, and then there is someone being killed accidentally where there is zero negligence on the cop’s part.
do we expect the police to do everything perfectly? What if they just let all the maniacs run free because they'll go to jail for making a mistake. The criminal that is the root cause of this should be charged with murder
Multiple calls said there was a maniac assaulting people.
"The shooting happened Thursday morning on the second floor of a Burlington store in North Hollywood. The 911 calls began around 11 a. m. about a man assaulting people with a bike lock. Other calls indicated the man might be armed with a gun and that gunshots could be heard inside the store, reports that were later deemed unfounded."
To my knowledge one call said there was the possibility of a gun.
That still does not change the fundamental question needing an answer.
The woman who made the first called clearly said the guy had a gun and fired it multiple times which meant they were expecting an active shooter .
When the cops arrive the suspect was beating a woman on the floor, she bleeding as he tried to get away. The cop shot him and a bullet tragically kill the girl who was in the dressing room. From the bodycam it was impossible to know someone was in the dressing room and the cop had to make a split sec decision to save the woman who was being attacked.
To answer your question. It was an accident. Very, very sad , but accidents do happen and even regular citizens don't get punish for accidental deaths.
If you or I would be in jail because we pulled out a weapon and shot a suspect while striking an innocent person, then that policeman needs jail time too.
You can't jail citizens for stray bullets and not jail police officers.
That is a founding principle of the United States Constitution. Justice is blind to social status, class, race or occupation.
Are you going to skip over the fact that the guy was beating the woman on the floor? So the cops should have left him alone. That's what you're saying.
You and I are not the cops which is why we call them to handle dangerous situations. You're comparing apples and oranges .
There is no way you are 49 years old and lack common sense and reason. No way SMH !.
"And mind you, the suspect was in retreat". Yeah the suspect who was beating a woman mercilessly and suspected to have a gun ( 911 call) . Again you're Monday morning quarterbacking. You're saying this after the fact. The cops are making split seconds , life and death decisions in REAL TIME!!! Now think about the 911 call being true and the cops didn't shoot the suspect and he has a gun then opens fire and kill multiple people. You'll be here complaining the same way. Lol
I'm not going to reply or read your response because you're not a reasonable or logical person and this is a waste of time now.
So you are going to pretend the police thought he had a gun even after multiple calls accurately claimed he was assaulting people with a bike lock. Then even weirder, claim they still thought he had a gun after witnessing him assault a woman with a bike lock.
Then in a totally disconnect from reality avoid the obvious fact that if you killed an innocent girl at that scene, you would not be arrested on the spot.
@Still-alive Well, there is a reason why she is anonymous. Why would anyone espousing such nonsense want any way for folks to trace her back to a real identity?
@Still-alive oh look it's the guy who always try flirting with girls here and get shut down. Lmao
I don't think you know what wreck means , but please go back to playing video games mr 37 , single and don't get laid (your previous comments on other questions not my assumption)
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No. The cop is a idiot. He won't see a second in prison for his reckless actions.
The family will just get millions of dollars in a settlement.
Well, once again, the police are "investigating" themselves. Sooner or later this nonsense has to stop.
How come the right wants to make it look like ashley babbit was murdered
when in fact, she not only has a criminal past.. she was actively a CRIMINAL, WHEN SHE WAS SHOT. SHE TRIED AN INSURRECTION
It was an accident. I've seen the video and there is no way he could have possibly known that she was there.
He didn't know that discharging a weapon in a department store might kill an innocent person?
What kind of logic is that?
If you did it, would you expect to walk because you didn't understand how firearms worked?
Did you see the video?
i posted a video.
did you?
Well then you are to understand that there is absolutely no way he could have known that there was a dressing room behind that wall and that there was someone in it. He doesn't have X-ray vision and he isn't psychic.
So you mean he had no knowledge that bullets from a long gun might go through walls?
He had no knowledge that innocent people were still in the department store even as 911 calls were coming in from that store?
And he had no knowledge that if he fired his gun, no matter how accurately, innocent people were going to be at risk?
This isn't the movies sir. Bullets kill indiscriminately. And every time you shoot one, there is the danger someone innocent can/will be killed.
And if you or I would be in jail after taking such action, why on earth would we make exemptions for an officer?
That's not what I said. Perhaps you should reread what I actually said.
Dude, I read what you said. You claimed he could not have known where the little girl was.
Right!
So why is he firing?
The suspect is in retreat. He has a department store that had innocent people in it. And he is firing without knowing that if a bullet misses, it can strike an innocent?
I am saying keep the same standards for citizens and officers. If you can't a policeman, then you can't charge a citizen either.
If he didn't know, and in fact couldn't know that there was someone there how and why should he be held responsible. If you were firing his weapon in the direction where he knew that there were people then it would be a different situation. But that's not what happened. 🤦🏽♂️
Its like you didn't even read a word I wrote.
If you fired your weapon in the same situation, killing that girl, would you be in jail?
Because the question isn't what you think about his responsibility. The question is whether you think policemen can be exempt from the law,.
And if he can be exempt, then anyone can be exempt.
Wow. We clearly need to have no police at all. I'll be things would be MUCH better if only we got rid of all police. That's not a completely retarded idea guys!
Yeah, because everyone knows that holding the police accountable to the same laws that American citizens must follow is the same thing as getting rid of them.
Good point!!!
Even as someone who tries his best to defend the police's actions, I still have my limits.
This is far past my limits. He should be held accountable, accidental or not.
Held accountable, yes. Found guilty, not necessarily. It depends on the facts of the case. Sorry if that doesn't suit your identity politics.
What facts could change the video?
TL;DW
He will at least lose his job. He will be lucky not to get jail time.
I would love to see what would happen if the cop did not have qualified immunity.
One of the few things we have ever been able to agree upon.
Fuck pigs.
It doesn't matter to the media and dumb liberals because she's not black
But the officer is.
Dumb racists don't do any homework.
That doesn't matter either, liberal dipshit. Nobody is protesting about it here. I live in L. A. Non-black lives don't matter to the media or protest organizers because Democrats can't use them as a political tool.
And I'm not a racist, just keep making dumb liberal assumptions
Why would anyone protest if the cop goes to jail?
And racist troll, no one can protest on your behalf. If you are satisfied with members of your weird definition of race being murdered by police, no one can change your mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R49P9TuFLOQ&t=133s
When's the last time you've been to North Hollywood? The place is a fucking zoo, full of bums on meth no thanks to your democrat leadership
Yeah, I don't live in North Hollywood.
Again, if you want to protest police violence against "White" people, do it. But stop blaming folks for your apathy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ1Mnhf6LKw
I don't give a shit about police violence towards white people or anybody else because I'm not a crybaby unrealistic liberal like yourself who still dreams about the world being a fair place. The world was never a fair place. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Hey lie to yourself all you want. Your actions betray you. I don't follow you racist fruitcake, because I could give a damn about your nonsense. So if you don't give a shit about anything and to give a shit is being a "liberal". Why did you bring your liberal ass here?
The cop was careless as hell with a rifle in a crowded department store, so yes.
This is a tragic accident. No charges should be filed
Of course there will be charges.
Why is logic so rare in this forum? If you killed a person accidentally, would you expect no jail time?
www.nbc12.com/.../
The Dinwiddie County Sheriff said Matthew Sharpf, 37, was arrested and charged with voluntary manslaughter shortly after he was questioned by authorities. His arrest warrant was filed at the county courthouse the day after the shooting, but more than a month later, that charge set aside during a preliminary hearing.
@RolandCuthbert there is killing someone accidentally, and then there is someone being killed accidentally where there is zero negligence on the cop’s part.
So you are just going to avoid the question and that somehow answers everything.
If you think cops need exemptions just say that. And know that most folks, most courts and most interpretations of the law do not agree.
That’s not entirely true, there are Good Samaritan laws.
Bottom line. A citizen in the same situation is arrested on the spot.
Bottom line, an arrest isn’t a conviction.
Police basically have a licence to kill when they also have a strong Police union, don't expect anything.
how about the person committing the actual crime be held responsible? If it weren't for them the police wouldn't need to be shooting
do we expect the police to do everything perfectly? What if they just let all the maniacs run free because they'll go to jail for making a mistake. The criminal that is the root cause of this should be charged with murder
Was this the one where she was completely hidden inside a closet? At worst he would get something for reckless use of his firearm.
i think that depends where you live and many other things.
I completely agree with the gentleman in the blue necktie.
Did you look up the details of this case before wanting judgment?
Did you watch the video before posting this?
Did you listen to the police call before asking this question? NO you didn't.
Of course I did. So what in the video or in the 911 call changes these facts? I even have the video of the assault.
But being an anonymous troll, you haven't asked yourself the obvious question.
What was the call the police got?
Multiple calls said there was a maniac assaulting people.
"The shooting happened Thursday morning on the second floor of a Burlington store in North Hollywood. The 911 calls began around 11 a. m. about a man assaulting people with a bike lock. Other calls indicated the man might be armed with a gun and that gunshots could be heard inside the store, reports that were later deemed unfounded."
To my knowledge one call said there was the possibility of a gun.
That still does not change the fundamental question needing an answer.
You're a Monday morning quarterback. Lol
The woman who made the first called clearly said the guy had a gun and fired it multiple times which meant they were expecting an active shooter .
When the cops arrive the suspect was beating a woman on the floor, she bleeding as he tried to get away. The cop shot him and a bullet tragically kill the girl who was in the dressing room. From the bodycam it was impossible to know someone was in the dressing room and the cop had to make a split sec decision to save the woman who was being attacked.
To answer your question. It was an accident. Very, very sad , but accidents do happen and even regular citizens don't get punish for accidental deaths.
Here is your Monday morning quarterbacking.
If you or I would be in jail because we pulled out a weapon and shot a suspect while striking an innocent person, then that policeman needs jail time too.
You can't jail citizens for stray bullets and not jail police officers.
That is a founding principle of the United States Constitution. Justice is blind to social status, class, race or occupation.
Are you going to skip over the fact that the guy was beating the woman on the floor? So the cops should have left him alone. That's what you're saying.
You and I are not the cops which is why we call them to handle dangerous situations. You're comparing apples and oranges .
Are you still pretending that you or I would not be jail?
Are you still claiming that if you killed an innocent person while stopping an assault that would prevent you from serving jail time?
And mind you, the suspect was in retreat. Did you see the video as you have asked me several times?
There is no way you are 49 years old and lack common sense and reason. No way SMH !.
"And mind you, the suspect was in retreat". Yeah the suspect who was beating a woman mercilessly and suspected to have a gun ( 911 call) . Again you're Monday morning quarterbacking. You're saying this after the fact. The cops are making split seconds , life and death decisions in REAL TIME!!! Now think about the 911 call being true and the cops didn't shoot the suspect and he has a gun then opens fire and kill multiple people. You'll be here complaining the same way. Lol
I'm not going to reply or read your response because you're not a reasonable or logical person and this is a waste of time now.
"I'm not going to reply or read your response because you're not a reasonable or logical person and this is a waste of time now. "
Translation: I'm not going to continue being wrecked by you intellectually to spare myself embarrassment" :)
So you are going to pretend the police thought he had a gun even after multiple calls accurately claimed he was assaulting people with a bike lock. Then even weirder, claim they still thought he had a gun after witnessing him assault a woman with a bike lock.
Then in a totally disconnect from reality avoid the obvious fact that if you killed an innocent girl at that scene, you would not be arrested on the spot.
Seems like we are done here.
@Still-alive Well, there is a reason why she is anonymous. Why would anyone espousing such nonsense want any way for folks to trace her back to a real identity?
@Still-alive oh look it's the guy who always try flirting with girls here and get shut down. Lmao
I don't think you know what wreck means , but please go back to playing video games mr 37 , single and don't get laid (your previous comments on other questions not my assumption)
haha i don't think you are a girl or below 18. you're probably some fat dude neckbearding on here.
anyways please continue your conversation with him and see how badly you get more wrecked.
You are a troll trying to make fun of folks who actually post about their real lives and real identity.
That's called cognitive dissonance,
Look it up.
@Still-alive you didn't deny what I said. lmao #Incel
i choose not to engage with stuff thats bogus.
anyways i thought you left? guess your ego is too big to stay away huh?
Lots of trigger happy cops killing people but thats their quota by this point.
Anyone who fires a weapon is responsible for the bullets that come out, accident or not
Was the fugitive armed and dangerous?
Well, I don't know about "armed". But he was dangerous.
How dangerous? More dangerous than discharging a firearm in a mall? Was he threatening immediate bodily harm to someone?
Oh, of course not. He had just beaten a woman with a pad lock and was retreating from police.
The officer shot because he thought there was no one around. But in a department store that is a silly assumption to make with a high powered rifle.