Complaining about a president you voted for is one of THE most important dynamics to have. It's certainly more important than being able to complain about the opposing party.
A lot of toxic politics in this country comes from ignoring places where the opposition has a point, and ignoring places where your side is also messing up.
Republicans are "corporatist, often war-mongering assholes" who believe in things like minimal government intervention in the economy.
Democrats are "corporatist, often war-mongering assholes" who believe in things like social and environmental justice.
The media has us obsess over government intervention in the economy, and social and environmental justice. That way we are always angry and tune in. Then they claim the OTHER side are the "corporatist, often war-mongering assholes" who are destroying the country.
There is only one group that gains from this: Corporatist, war-mongering assholes. The ones who are destroying the country.
There isn't a single "right" or "wrong" answer to almost any particular policy anymore than there is such a tool for every job.
Americans will never all agree on any policy precisely because we have as widely different needs and interests as we have geographies, industries, and cultures.
Most politicians being elected and reelected on the basis of theses conflicting issues are usually not too accountable on other issues.
FEMA wasn't elected, they were installed based on an executive order due to an emergency situation. It is nerve wracking to walk through the darkness because they have been given way too much power and way too little transparency over the years... That said, sometimes you must walk through the darkness before you see the light. They're so in the shadows, a good portion of the nation actually think Biden is president even though he does his speeches on movie sets, flies around in a movie set plane leased by Boeing to a company in LA, has obvious CG/green screen action on "live" TV, constantly calls other people president, etc. As they say, Sometimes you can't TELL the public the truth. YOU MUST SHOW THEM. ONLY THEN WILL PEOPLE FIND THE WILL TO CHANGE. It's painful to watch people suffer through the movie... You have to watch American's that are true believers die from experimental vaccine side effects, dip shit misted soy boys rush off to join the foreign legion and then get bombed in Ukraine because they don't realize This is NOT a game. There are no re-spawn point in real life. Inflation is hard for people at the lower end when they have to decide between eating or heating their home in the winter so on an so forth... So many are so brainwashed by the media that it takes a serious and painful rude awakening to break the trance. But that is the point, bring the pain so they wake the fuck up... 4-6% LOST FOREVER.
Look at this chubby neck beard Democrat that thought he'd be a hero for showing up to protect the Nazis because the media said Russia was losing, made up stupid propaganda like the Ghost of Kyiv, and portrayed the Ukrainian puppet president as Captain America... That fag deserted at the first sign of fire, but he had to see it for himself to realize the media lied to him... I don't know how they get like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fTw7Z4ffUg
Probably because they voted for the president who would cause the least damage to the country, but that president is still not representative of their own views.
For example, I’m British so if I were in America I’d probably vote democrat because it’s the only left wing option, but actually I think they’re all terrible as American politics is much more to the right than the politics here.
In America Right Wing politics tends to include libertarian small to no-government policy solutions.
In a Federal system that not only includes leaving the policy to individuals to sort out for themselfs but also their state and local governments to sort out collectively among the more economically, culturally, and geographically homogeneous population.
Our presidential system thou originally designed to favor such localize by requiring broad agreement both popularly and regionally before a policy solution can be implemented more generally. Has after 200+ years of clever power hungry politicians in a diversity of political and demographic situations manged to acquire the vast bulk of piratical powers at the highest level.
Forcing us to fight over everything all the time. We might be more agreeable to many more left-wing policies if it didn't come with a laundry list of other policies incomparable with our unique economic, cultural, and geographic needs.
If you vote for someone, you have reasonable expectations that they follow through with what they said or stood for that made you vote for them in the first place. When the inevitably don't follow through on their campaign promises, people will complain that the politicians aren't doing the job they were essentially hired for. And rightfully so.
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I don't know about your country but in the US we have this weird sort of balance. One party almost completely controls the media and the other party does all the work. So when things get really bad, like they did when COVID hit or in the economic collapse of 2008, people can't help but notice the situation they are in and thus vote for the party that will do the job. But as that job gets done they return to the media who tells them a lot of things are going poorly, when they're not, and people are tricked into voting against the party that does their job. That's where we are now in the US.
Because a vote for a leader shouldn't be the extent of your engagement with politics, and just because because vote for something it doesn't mean you can't be aware of its flaws and doesn't mean you should voice your opinion, these people are elected to represent us, they are not God's, they are fallable and should be held to account and voicing your dissent is part of what you should do to keep politicians honest.
You owe politicians nothing and your vote does not give them the right to ignore the populace they represent
They don't. People always need someone to blame, a President or any elected figurehead is a lightning rod for blame, but they usually only blame a President or Politician elected by the parties in opposition to their own views.
If the electorate can be forced into 2 political extremes (Right & Left wing), using their fear of the other side getting control, then their preferred President can do or say just about anything without them speaking out against that President.
Yet if the other sides candidate becomes President, those same people will relentlessly criticise and ridicule that President at every opportunity.
2 parties exist because that is what is required to win enough support for getting the presidency reliability.
An office we care about too much because it has come to control almost everything and therefore we are forced to fight each other over mutually exclusive policy preferences.
@monorprise Yes but the current system in the US is deeply flawed, it forces people to vote either left or right, there is no center ground, where you get a Conservative option with some Liberal views, but more balanced approach.
Instead the Presidency & Congress is controlled by Corporations, people vote them in, but policy is really dictated by Corporations.
@MrCommodore Do you really think all policy options are simply left or right? Do you really think such a "middle" ground would even help giving such a wide diversity of needs, interest and wants among a large and diverse country?
The problem is not the 2 political parties its the choices they are forcing us to vote on and where. There is no possible combination of policies that would make even a majority happy.
@monorprise No I don't think policy options are always simply left or right, but in recent years in the US the options are Republican/Right/Conservative vs Democrat/Left/Liberal and it seems to be aligned with deeper issues in US society with folks talking about a Civil war coming.
A Centerist option might be less threatening to either extreme and be a bit more stable.
@MrCommodore What really happens with the 'moderate' is as you suggest a compromise which people either accept in trade or all hate for its computerize. Likely a factor of the tolerably of said compromise.
In the 1850s this was not tolerable and i doubt very much there is anything tolerable today just on the account overwhelming spectrum of issues to be compromised on. We are in a word too diverse to agree on a single solution.
It is however unlikely we will see a 2nd war between the states but rather a real Civil War which will look a bit more like the insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan.
The experience of the last war between the states combined with the overwhelming dominance of the Federal military make fighting between states unlikely although more than a few of them are clearly ready to do that anyway. They would fall and that would only be the beginning of the real conflict.
In the foreseeable future however there is anther solution currently being implemented in the form of Nullification & non-cooperation that may prove to be enough, if it does not however it will set the stage for the conflict that follows.
@monorprise I agree that the world is too diverse to have full agreement, however the objective of the Centerist or moderate option is not to provide achieve 100% agreement, but to avoid alienating 50% or 49% of the population by implementing left or right legislation that is found to be extreme by a large opposite portion of the population.
Also people talking about Civil war are doing so because of fear of the opposition political view, because in their opinion those opposite views are so alien to them, they feel threatened.
Society is not a 50:50 balance of Conservative and Progressive/Liberals, peoples opinions change as they get older, albeit not on all matters. Progressives/Liberals think that Conservatives hold a Country back, with backwards views and outdated thinking.
Conservatives think Progressives/Liberals are reckless by making major changes without proper due diligence or consideration.
Both sides are right, and a balance of both is needed, and compromise is what can make it easier for both sides of the community to co-exist.
@MrCommodore I don't think you really appreciate the true diversity of possible solutions on any particular issues that exist today.
Indeed this is part of the problem today, for with each new options we have a new dimension of preference for a different situation.
Take for example the issue of getting from point A to point B. Historically just 200 years ago there were fewer options, we could walk, ride a horse, to take a boat. Whereas today we can do all of those things + drive a car, ride a trade, or fly a plane. In each case we add a new option with trade offs the combination of which is more ideal for different circumstances.
Walking and trains for example are still ideal in dense urban areas, where as horses, cars, and planes work better in more rural areas depending on geography.
A common Government which dictates law and policy effecting theses domestic transportation issues will necessarily have a dispatching impact on one even if its favorable to anther.
Today this dispute is very much on the front burner in regard to auto taxes and trains and even laws regarding horses. Each of theses acts create new enemies and reason to fight.
If only this were the only issue of incomparable interest our common government FORCES us to fight or "compromise" over, but rather every matter the claim power over has a similar story.
This is unfortunate only going to get worse as our options multiply and margins become more competitive.
@MrCommodore We are living in an ever more complex world with ever closer margins for every industry requiring ever more flexibility to use the more ideal tool to compete.
Unfortunately Government driven by the arrogance and greed of politicians, As well as primarily the demands of their electing intrest base have a long history of doing the precise opposite in reducing freedom with ever more complex sets of laws which invariably inhibit freedom of such required feasibility for others.
This is the source of our conflict and it will only get worse both governments continue to grow and as we become more aware of what industries and opportunities were lost due to incompatible policies.
Eventually the State will either be forced to give up such power or the minority regions that can will eventually seek independence.
If you blindly believe in every person in your life you support, love, or vote for, you're an idiot who is setting themselves up to be majorly disappointed and taken advantage of. We are flawed human beings that make mistakes. Presidents are definitely not the exception to that. Just because you voted for someone doesn't mean you've cosigned on giving them carte blanche do whatever they want and however they want. A president works for the people and when the people aren't happy you both let them know so they can hopefully rectify their actions or you literally vote them out (at least in the US). This is a lesson you should apply to everyone in your life. When they do the wrong things, question it, don't just accept it if it really and truly doesn't feel right to you.
Most people believe Joe Biden is unlikely to even get the Democratic party nomination at this point even if he does live long enough to run for reelection.
Regardless the popular vote is not important in America as presidents are not elected by a majority of people but by a majority of electors which are more proportionally distributed among the States.
This is done so that Presidential candidate have to appeal to a broader and more diverse segment of a country. Instead what would merely be the 12 largest cities today.
This is because the united States of America is in fact a union of 50 self-governing States not 330 million people.
Many if not most of which operate in very different geographic, economic, and cultural conditions demanding very different policies.
Most people dont have a life. So they follow they hear other people bitch and moan so they want to be heard and seen like the people they are following
If you've ever noticed if you watch the people that bitch and moan about things they never once will add to whatever their there belief is I'm whatever situation they're talking about why whoever they're bitching about why they would have to do whatever they're doing in that moment sometime things used to not go snap poof and
Ta Da. All better now.. there is a reason and there are reasons for the other 499 thing going wrong on this planet and . u just dont wave your magic wand and its fixed.. but I feel if your just going to be a loud mouth about thing and that's it then really you just like to hear your self talk. If you really care be a part of the solution make an effort to fix it at least take a step forward
People no longer think before they vote. They don’t think of the things that could go wrong. They just don’t care unless it affects them personally. People are selfish that way. I’ve noticed that recently people are strongly regretting their vote and it shows because they’re angry and starting fights and saying things they otherwise wouldn’t do people who are doing them kindness.
Not many people voted for him!! Most of the complaints are from those of us with brains enough NOT to have voted for him because we KNEW this shit was gonna happen!! A LOT of the people that WERE stupid enough to vote for him have said they wish they hadn't!! And most of those that DID "vote" for him CAN'T complain because they've been dead for many years!!
The only people who actually voted are electoral college nembers. Everyone else's vote is either deleted, or just used to talley up a percentage per state, then each state gets a "vote" that acts as nothing more than a suggestion to the electoral college member for that state. Secondly, every option always sucks, and having a ruler in general sucks.
Originally State legislators cast the vote for their State, and picked the senators too.
This was perhaps a better system in that it forced Presidents and the Federal Government to better respect the limits of Federal power permitting a broader diversity of Government to match the unique needs and situation of every place under it.
Instead today we got a national popularity contest to select federal politicians who think they have the answer to every problem under the sun for everyone.
Never mind that different people need different answers for different reasons.
@monorprise a better system than either of those would be a pure democracy, where each citizen's vote counted as 1 actual vote.
And a better system than that, would be a pure democracy where we vote on bills instead of a president who ultimately gets to decide everything for us, making voting, even in a pure democracy, worthless.
Until we vote on bills in a pure democracy, I'm not voting, because I refuse to waste my time.
@thespacegnome History of direct democracy isn't all that bright, and recent events illustrate why. Put simply most people are experts in their own area of specialization, life, and geography. They do not understand any better than politicians any other area and therefore offer consistently disadvantageous and even harmful judgement in such areas of ignorance.
This is why America is not a democracy in the first place, nor even a consolidated Unitarian country.
A country which spans a continent will always necessarily contains such a wide diversity of geographic, economic, and cultural needs/desires that a single solution much-less one selected by an almost entirely ignorant and distant population would be harmful compromise to most.
We elect dedicated leaders both so that they can be held to answer personally to Constitution restriction of what they can do, and so that they may on those issues we do agree in said constitution to be commonly governed by their office on become somewhat more informed of the issue with their time, then 90% of the population can be having other jobs and lives to live.
I mean, you can have complaints about the president because no one is perfect but if you complain about things that they literally campaigned on, then you have no excuse.
Biden specifically made his disdain for the American oil industry very clear in his campaign. Now these same people are now complaining about high gas prices or are trying to see where the issue stems from even if Biden isn't the only factor to it.
How can you be happy with a result if you can only vote on bad candidates? If they vote on the lesser evil they still got reason to complain.
well, presidents promise one thing but sometimes don't fulfill it. this is why many people may be unhappy with who they chose.
I don't see or hear too many Biden supporters complaining about his failures. They're still rattling on incoherently about Trump. I feel sorry for them. They truly are mentally disturbed.
The ones who complain probably aren’t the same people who voted for him.
Maybe they regret their decision once they saw the policies put in place..
I have yet to vote for the winning presidential candidate. So I couldn't say.
Maybe because he's not doing the job they thought he would?
If he makes some awkward situations while representing country.
I see it happening in most countries. So fuckin stupid. I don't vote either. Especially not after witnessing the rigged US elections.
It's because my mom literally forced me to vote for him and I'm pissed at her for that. She gave me no say so.
You're starving, there's two choices: A chocolate sandwich or a shit sandwich.
You go with chocolate.
It was also shit.
Morons be morons. Voting should be by education and IQ, not 'one vote for each pair of legs'.
Democracy got mixed up with diplomacy.
Because it is not people’s vote
they are assigned
I didn’t vote on the current president but the ones that did have no right to complain
I complained about Trump, but I didn't try to overthrow the government like his own supporters did
The most important thing any citizen has is their vote. Voting does have consequences.
Because he didn't keep his promises or did the exact opposite of what he promised.
BINGO!
Because trump sucked that bad... well putin will say he sucked pretty good.
How can you not afford food and gas? Wages have risen too. So whats your point...
Making 30K a year hardly makes me an elitist prick. But you not being able to live within your mean does make you a stupid mother fuker. Just saying.
Not sure if you notice, gas prices were moving up well before biden got into office and biden didn't start ww3... putin did... ...
What's your country?
I didn’t vote for biden because I’m not stupid
That is mostly an American thing.
The didn’t see it coming but I did
Because they are fuckin stupid.
We vote for the one we dislike less
Its rather difficult to like anyone trying to be so many things to such a diverse lot of people, as exist in the U. S. A.
There is anther problem that must be solved if you want to actually like the people you vote for, and that is the question of what your voting on and with whom.
Sad, but there's truth in that.
They are stupid ( i mean in Turkey)
because they believe in promises
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