Pros: 1: Family vaules and unity heavily promoted. #2: Marriage heavily promoted and expected. #3: Public shaming bad conduct and children born out of wedlock. #4: Men held nearly or all public positions of authority. #5: People expected to conform to society's standards and expectations.
Cons: #1: Individuality discouraged or not socially accepted or shunned. #2: Women expected to be socially submmisive and under men's authority. #3: Women expected to stay home all day, cook and clean. Doing house duties. #4: Women hold no public positions of authority. #5: Women don't have hardly any equal social rights and opportunities.
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My view is that we as a society need to get back to sound Biblical standards which will cure all.
Things done as they ought to be done and not through selfish motives and vanity.
A society that has a lot of people who fear and love God, love the Bible.
A society that vaules equity and fairness between genders, not one gender gaining and exploiting another as that leads to bitterness and hatred.
I think that will definitely work.
Should we return to old conservative ways of life or would you object and why, why not?
1: Family values and unity heavily promoted. *Yes #2: Marriage heavily promoted and expected. *Yes #3: Public shaming bad conduct and children born out of wedlock. *The culture should criticize illegitimate births not the children of them. #4: Men held nearly or all public positions of authority. *No by merit only. #5: People expected to conform to society's standards and expectations *Vague, but yes.
#1: Individuality discouraged or not socially accepted or shunned. *Depends on what that is. I don't want it to change my lifestyle or to pay for it with my taxes. #2: Women expected to be socially submissively and under men's authority. *I expect women to respect marriage and their men. #3: Women expected to stay home all day, cook and clean. Doing house duties. *I would respect their free will and mine to marry or not marry them based on their life choices. #4: Women hold no public positions of authority. *They should based on merit. Not on entitlement or lawyers. #5: Women don't have hardly any equal social rights and opportunities. *Women have the same equal rights and opportunity to men as they should right now. They should have no special privileges or entitlements.
yes, your whole list is "pros". Even the ones you listed as cons are actually "pros" or are exaggerations or outright untrue. I lived through this and my mom and most of the neighbor "ladies" actually were the ones who "ruled the roost" at home. Men paid on dates and were expected to work hard. Even women should agree with me, things have not gotten better for them, now they are expected to work twice as hard and miss their children growing up. They didn't have to go to work back then, imagine that. Public office and people in positions of authority could get along and agree because they were wired the same way and everyone especially women benefited because things got done. Imagine the United States trying to undertake a huge project like the Hoover Damn in 2021. It's be impossible because we can't agree on anything. Again, they didn't have to go to work and the kids got real parenting and didn't end up shooting up the school or getting pregnant at 13. In my entire 4 years of high school in a big 1200 person high school, there was 1 pregnancy
I am older, so I kind of grew up when things were as you described. Life was so much easier back then. It was more consistent as well as opposed to the times we are living in now. Almost everything is so chaotic now, it's hard to relax. Most women of today will be dead set against your suggestion l. I on the other hand grew up with the dream of having a nice husband with a good paying job, a family with four children, a nice house in a good neighborhood, going to church, and being a stay at home mom. This way of life was the norm where I grew up. Unfortunately, none of my dreams ever came true for me. But these were goals I had set for myself from a very young age. I long for those days again. I am very uncomfortable living in these strange times we live in.
I agree, I feel like going back to conservative ways is the way to go. Just how it says in the Bible to wait until marriage to have sex so many pros. That will also lead to a better household and kids coming from a loving home and not a broken home etc
I would be fine with with it. People that say either men or women don’t benefit much is their own thoughts. I feel like it’s mostly people that want and want more and are never happy or at peace that may feel threatened by it
Like feminism/equal right it's people wanting to show that they can do the job as well. That they are entitled to earn the same etc there's always competition in this world to show their worth.
If you think that works for you as an individual then fine but most women will be exploited and oppressed by it.
Men gave cause and rise to feminism and the stupid feminists we have today because they took their power and privilege to exploit and abuse women that sparked a rebellion with women.
Nevertheless, we seriously need to change some things and go back to normality and common sense because we have gone too far out of bounds that this society has gone bunkers.
Like you said most women, I'm not most women and there are more who think this way. Oppression if you let society define who you are then yes anyone can feel oppressed by it. If you are a weak person then anything society says will get to you. I'm not talking about you but in general you know what I mean jelly bean but yes I blame social media. If you go to my profile I asked a question on social media. Everyone may think different but I feel like social media has a lot to do with it. Before we would be more social and we would pay attention to others now all we do is be on our phones. Fake news travels faster on these platforms which leads to hate, crime and now it's also easier to cheat and when you don't have the fear of the Lord then things just fall. The Bible is the book of life it has just what we need
I think there is a happy medium. I don't think feminism is bad in it's concept. I think to some people there always got to be a battle to fight. I think over the past 100 years. Great strides have been made towards equality. But I think the notion that we need to be completely equal is a fruitless conquest. I mean I'll never give birth to a baby (nor do I want to lol) buy you see the point I'm making. I think everyone should have an OPPORTUNITY to succeed ( whatever that means) on their own merits regardless of gender. But I do feel at times feminism has turned into a form of affirmative action of sorts. And that's not what it was intended to be. I think we are a more and more progressive society. But most the times I feel we are by hostage and not by choice. We should be cause we want to be. Not because you're shamed into being. Also I don't think it's a dirty thing to admit that gender roles are just "natural". There are just things that guys are generally better at and there are things that women are better at. That doesn't change the fact that SOME women that are more masculine and some guys who are more feminine. And that doesn't make them wrong either.
I like to adapt it. Keep the family and communal and marriage values for the sake of our children, families, communities, exchange the social pressure with ideals without faulting people who fall short, and let the best person (man or woman) for a job do the job (this has benefits for all of us by not overlooking great talents wherever we find them).
In particular, I'm a strong believer in traditionally masculine ideals like striving to become a protector rather than an exploiter, a leader, a wise judge, a loyal husband, a great father, accountable and capable of acknowledging and learning from mistakes, honest, brave, etc. The difference is that I think those should no longer be considered "masculine". They should be considered the virtues of anyone who seeks to become a great leader, great provider, great protector.
That's the way I update these ideas while still finding valuable lessons from history.
I also like to take some of the classically "feminine" ideals and blend them into the masculine, like empathy. Empathy is a very valuable trait even for a leader. Understanding our followers' struggles means we can relate better to them and better understand how to lead them. So I like to mix and match to try to determine the best sets of ideals to strive towards to help us become competent at whatever we seek in life.
As for ideas like domestic duties such as cooking and cleaning being a woman's job, I no longer think that's a manly mindset. That's a lazy one as I see it in today's day and age because a man who depends on a woman to cook and clean after him makes him dependent on her like a boy to a mother. So I think a man who takes pride in being self-sufficient and independent should do his share of cooking and cleaning and maintaining those bachelor skills.
Systems Collapse Theory- is a theory in which social or society develops such complex systems that it r becomes sustainable and people revert back to simpler ways of life.
The problem is that society implements a lot of changes in the name of progress and they allow for no means to revert back, therefore the whole system collapses and it become every man and women for themselves.
So some times things just seemed to be so much less complex and therefore simpler and easier. But I do think a lot more people more than ever are looking for alternatives to marriage because its all become too complex and difficult to manage. People who are wage earners (women or men) are definitely at a disadvantage when it comes to marriage and equality.
If people didn't buy overpriced vehicles and huge oversized houses, many of them wouldn't need two people to work in order to afford to raise a family.
Not everyone wants marriage (unless they at least agree to a prenuptial agreement), but if people at least wouldn't be promiscuous and would only have sex with someone they were with long enough for both of them to form a strong emotional attachment, and discuss on their long term life goals together to make sure they are actually compatible, that would decrease the number of single parent households/broken homes for kids to grow up in.
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Why would it work this time when it didn’t work before? 🤔 Was it not that way of thinking, and the people who rebelled against it, that brought us to where we are today? No. Those ideas didn’t work before, there is no reason to think it will work now.
It didn’t work because of the Second World War lmaooooo All the men went off to fight and women had to work in order to keep society running I don't know if some women nowadays would have chosen to help like the women in the past did
I am gay and do think hate needed to stop as well as women's equality. BUT I do fully support we go back to the "Leave it to Beaver" living. Sense leaving this idea. Kids come home to a empty house to play violent video games. Both parents are working two jobs. Everyone is stressed beyond their abilities. The family structure is desperately needed!
I believe that these changes were made deliberately and slowly to get the population under control and start the deputization of the planet!
WOW... the list of conservative values sound like something from the 1950's... they are NOT Conservative values. If you can't ask an honest question without Biased/twisted choices, maybe you should retire. Better yet, OPEN your mind and do a little research, "Conservative" forced Liberals to allow "Equal rights" un "segregated schools", "Voting Rights" all brought to you by 'Conservatives' don't listen the LIES that the Liberals all try to tell, do some research... it's like the man that just punched his wife and tells the cop "she just bumped into a doorknob
So you would be in favor of giving up your social equal rights as women and desired to be expected as house maid just to serve or just some parts you desire change to?
Lol.. you think being in the house all day cooking and cleaning is good, not just one day but everyday? You're basically a maid. Why you see that as good as woman or for you personally?
It's easy for all the white men to say yes as the old conservative way of life is built fore them, but I can't say minorities or women would like to go back to those ideals.
wtf do you have against white men chick? All white men aren't conservative and some women and minorities are conservatives so you just contradicted your dumbass self.
@maverick2022 when did I say anything against white men lmao I just said it's easier for a white man to say yes since the standards and ideals at the time were built around a white man's standards and ideals. I didn't even mention the word conservative. Are you on drugs?
@maverick2022 And you need some serious anger management, weird ass 37 year old wasting their time cursing like a sailor at a person half their age? get a fucking life
@JohnK123 I hope you're referring to him and not me because I hate to point this out, but this full grown man must be watching bestiality videos online because he's talking about me shoving my *nonexistent* poodle up my ass :D so if we want to talk about creeps
No lol. Why would we actively regress? Just move forward, promote the values we should develop and hammer down on the stuff we should get rid of, and we can get better that way. Going backwards you're just wasting time cause we'll have to move forward through the same stuff all over again.
I already live a traditional way of life. I dress in a modest and classic style and so does my wife, didn't have sex outside of marriage, got married to a traditional feminine girl, am the bread winner, and I'm a God-Fearing man who is with a God-Fearing woman.
No because most of our younger guys neither have a work ethics nor can handle the responsibility. I don't think the older days where better in every way. Yes family was valued and values in generally were kept high but there were also many problems. I'm also not against women if they want to. I actually prefer it if responsibility is at least lowered because also in the old days there was no place for a guy to talk about doubts or weaknesses.
No I don't like living like a woman from the 50's. I see nothing wrong with being a stay at home wife but I don't want to be expected to be one just cause I'm a woman. I also don't want to be expecting to be in marriage. I see nothing wrong with being a single woman. being submmisive isn't my thing.
So what you're saying is we should go back to dunking women in ponds until they drown, or burn them at the stake? Women should be beaten for speaking out against their abusive husbands. Or how about that loving conservative idea of having your 5-year-old working in a coal mine? Conservative isn't conservation. It's sanctioned abuse.
The cat is out of the bag and you won't get people to do what you say just because you say that a old book you have says so. Europe is better off as they are going through their transition to a post-religious system more gradually while USA gets a crash course.
So, why not live and let live until fists lift in the air?
Why not jail the violent jealous cuck instead of stoning every promiscuous person? Why give shelter to the faithless instead of letting them face the lonely consequences of cucking their partners?
Make it all based on consent. And people will adapt to that, that's how the peasants lived for ages. No paper, nothing but consent, maybe social pressure. And even with their fucked up mob justice, which is unlikely today, it worked for the time.
You are being naive, you assume "front men" are the ones making decisions.
Wanna know, as one example, why putin put a law that relaxed on DV? Guess what, babushkas most affected. "Once a year, if it does not cause a serious body injury, DV is ok." I find it amazing that putin didn't just written into the law "babuhska's immunity" instead.
And you still think in "positions of power", instead of "administrative roles".
Well I don’t see the “cons” you listed as actual negatives. And individuality was encouraged back then by the way. People were taught to be self sufficient instead of complaining and doing nothing.
Also the idea of women being subservient isn’t based on hatred and misogny. And some women still want to be housewives by the way.
More or less it would keep things intact. But there isn't just these two sides to living. Every family is different in how rules are placed and if you're open to communicating and feedback, life would be easier for everyone.
Absolutely we should. The problem with most of your cons is you're spinning things negatively. Women, in particular have been sold this bill of goods that being a career woman is more fulfilling than running a house and raising children. This just isn't true.
Why can't a woman have her career and passion if she desires and be a mom as well and take care of the home? My mom is a dentist and came home and cooked for the kids and my step dad everyday.
No one says they can't. But you have to be realistic with where women are today. 40% of them are on antidepressants. Our society has changed to the detriment to women.
So they're office prisoners slaving away from some asshole who doesn't give two shits about them? Jesus, sometimes you have the dumbest takes on things.
Here's the thing and major difference, that "A-hole" provides a check which people can be independent not totally be dependent as an adult to feed, cloth and provide shelter for you.
If things go horriblel sour you can be held hostage because you are totally financially broke and need someone to maintain you to live while you slowly are dying being miserable.
Tell that to women around the world who have no resources and are totally reliant on some abuse punk punching her face in but she has no where to go because she has no resources of her own.
Happens a lot. Just in the U. S. alone there are between 960,000 and 3 million domestic violence cases a year which most are the women being the victims of physical abuse.
That number will significantly increase if women decided to go jobless, no income and are stuck with a 💩 bag of a man. It's reality and unfortunately one too.
Far less people living in the U. S. 70 years ago and I doubt it women will even dare report their husband to the cops as that would mean he probably will lose his job if he gets locked up and, she and the kids won't be eating since the source of money is jobless and once her husband gets out he probably punch her face in again for ratting him out.
Yes. Everything in today’s day and age is far too liberated and it makes me feel uncomfortable. Everything seems broken and falling apart and messy and I don’t like it. At least things seemed more stable in the 50s.
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