Do you believe that Johnny Depp coming out about abuse is bad for women?

[SolitarySolace]

https://youtu.be/MWMvgZB4X7c

Yes, it is bad for women

No? It is not bad for women

[MCheetah]

In polls like this, where you'd think it'd be 100% the sane, logical answer, there's always at least two or three people to pick the idiotic woke nonsense. And no, I don't think they voted Option A by mistake, either. That's not to say, I support a hive mind. But for stuff like abuse and violence? Come on! Don't be retarded.

[SolitarySolace]

A lot of people also aren't going to admit to believing something that isn't the sane, logical, and morally correct answer.

Its those who believe wholeheartedly that the insane, illogical, and immoral answer is the correct answer only because it either benefits or hinders them and their way of living. Like how women get away with so much while men take all the blame even when they didn't do anything wrong.

[Snakeyes7]

It is only bad for the women who want to promote the idea that we live in a patriarchal society because this is a wonderful counterexample to it.

[Impalitteri]

It's sad that this has had to happen. I do think this is great for men and absolutely terrible for the me too and believe all women movements. Johnny has been relatively open about his drug use. Hearing about all the drug use doesn't really change my opinion of him, MOST celebrities use drugs. If this is news to you, you've probably been living under a rock. While amber is most definitely violent, this sheds light on other abusive behaviors. Manipulation, gaslighting, demeaning, mocking, and just dehumanizing. It has also exposed NUMEROUS! people who condone and support this type of behavior. First question on a dating questionnaire, "Do you support Johnny Depp or amber heard?" If someone actually supports AH then you should know to run for the hills and avoid them at all costs. This case does show that the "me too" and "believe all women" movements are inherently flawed. While yes you should sympathize with victims, you should NEVER condemn the other party without any facts, contexts, or evidence of the accusations.

[ChrisMaster69]

Anything that opens up the world on abuse is good.

hopefully men will see themselves and do something about it.

There are a lot of men abused both physically and emotionally, the big problem is often their mates who rather than support them will tell them how weak they are not able to handle a woman.

Also there should be more on that not all abuse is physical or simply emotional.

Often fear of loss is used as a mechanism of abuse.

The question is wrong in that the answer is more on the lines it’s good for anyone of either gender suffering abuse.

pulling the covers back makes it more socially acceptable to admit to it, to report it.

[howhigh420]

if a women abuses a man they deserve to hear ifvthey dont like it fuck it same if men abuse men its not good to hear but it needs to be told women doing it or men if women like to hear it dont watch it simple as that same if a women said it about a guy if u dont like the sound of it dont fucking watch it nd u no get angry simple men abusing women are terrible wome abusing men are bad to if a guy abuses me add kick the basterds cunt in but if women dont like the fact that his women abused him dont fucking watch it stop making a situation worse

[FictionalCharacter]

As a woman myself, it did made me reflect on my insecurities from Amber heard behavior issues. Since she claims she acts in a hostile way towards Johnny is because of abandonment issues.

I mean I have abandonment issues too and insecurities cause of the environment I raised. That as a 30 year I still deal with lack of respect and communication from my family. That leads to verbal abuse and guilt trip and manipulation.

That there are times where I don’t see the point of being alive. I mean getting help costs money that I don’t have, cause of rent and bills. And i don’t know, I don’t know why I’m alive, I don’t have anything. I don’t know anything

[PatriceONeal]

I feel like a lot of people are dealing with trust issues and insecurities, to say the least. But nobody is responsible for the abuse they received, they are responsible for stopping the cycle.

[genericname85]

no. i think Amber Heards narcissistic and psychopathic lying about being abused is what is bad for women. but i think this was necessary in order to correct this bizarre notion that all men are rapists and all women are nothing but pure and innocent victims. so in a sense that will probably swing the pendulum back to a sort of neutral place.

[SolitarySolace]

Hopefully

[TheUniqueOne96]

It's bad for the abusive women, as well as the feminazi types who always try to make themselves look like the victim and refuse to hold women accountable for their BS.

A lot of women, at least on here though, are calling her out, so I'm not generalizing.

[Anonymous]

No. I think it’s great for men, reduces the stigma around men being the victims of abuse and maybe the shame many of these men feel. It’s also great for victims of domestic violence in general as it proves it’s not about the victim and that the things the abusers say are not true (as even one of the most popular, famous and attractive people in the world was also abused, shamed for his looks and called derogatory things by his abuser).

[SnakeBoop]

Only for abusive women. Who are pieces of shit and have no use in society.

[PatriceONeal]

Most women that's gone along with mainstream media are exactly her.

[SnakeBoop]

So all men are rapists too then? Yawn dude. 🥱

[Cherry234]

It's bad for abusive women and for women who condone that type of behavior. Domestic violence is not okay no matter what your gender is. Men are victims of domestic violence too.

[SecretsofKB]

Nope. I think it'll be a great boost in awareness for abuse in general.

[whirled_up_girl]

I don't think so but I've been saying both online and offline for years that society needs to condemn intimate partner violence no matter the gender of the perpetrator.

[TonyV]

How would it bad for all women? It's bad for heard, and she deserves to face the backlash of her actions.
It's good for men, maybe men who come out will be taken more seriously now.

Abusers deserve whatever they get, man or woman.

[PatriceONeal]

Good job. Now tell society

[Anonymous]

I think it's good for everyone except the abusers when they get called out. There are a lot more female abusers in society than most people realize and Amber Heard has helped shine a light on that, so we should be thankful to her in a sense.

[EmmaMary]

As awful as it is to admit, this goes to show these pathetic lowlife women up in their true colours.

[Yucy_Gluttony]

It's not bad for women. It's bad for bad women. It's good for men.

[PatriceONeal]

No you girls shouod take responsibility for your gender. We have to take responsibility for ours.

[Yucy_Gluttony]

@PatriceONeal I won't take responsibility for something I didn't do. NEVER WIL HUHAHAHHHA

[TruthBringer]

@PatriceONeal That's like saying that Christians have to take responsibility for the KKK or that Muslims should own up to terrorist attacks they do not condone, let alone have anything to do with.

I agree with @Yucy_Gluttony. Nobody is responsible for other people's actions they are not a like. We are responsible for our own actions. Acknowledging there are certain people out there is one thing, but taking responsibility is something that has to be placed in the right hands.

[Yucy_Gluttony]

@TruthBringer Thank you kindly <3

[PatriceONeal]

You are responsible for the actions of your gender. Your gender covertly abuses men, is it men's responsiblily to correct those women, or women's responsibility as a whole? Your gender aborts millions of babies annually. Is it mens responsibility to correct you there? Sure starting to seem that way. Women can self police eachother into just about anything. Fashion/music/ politics/ verbage/ civility. But not for the good. To say it's anyone's responsibility besides women is taking away your own agency. Apparently you aren't even in control of your own actions? That's childish. Look around and see the women still siding with the bedshitter. And all the people praising them for it.. girl power!!

[PatriceONeal]

@TruthBringer Christians take responsibility by condemning their actions (kkk) personally and publicly so your example is perfect. And the few, more moderate Muslims also condemn hamas.. so again, great example. If more Muslims openly condemned hamas and radical Islam perhaps they would revise that old trash book that promoted everything you libs "believe in". Where does the responsibility lie? You said nothing just some female rhetoric smoke up her ass..
The answer is women. Women control women right?

[Yucy_Gluttony]

@PatriceONeal NAW :3 I only feel responsible for my own actions. You can say it shouldn't be so, but I will always think this way. I will never take someone else's responsibility, someone who I have no control over. I won't take responsibility for the crazies out there :3

[Yucy_Gluttony]

I can only see myself taking responsibility for someone I raised or tutored!

[TruthBringer]

@PatriceONeal Your comparisons here with MUslims and Hamas and all are flawed because you're using the wrong term. We are discussing responsibility, not condemning. Those two are not the same. So your entire comparison using the wrong term here is INVALID.

The point here is, no one is responsible for anyone else's actions. You telling people that they are responsible for actions of people within their genders means you're shooting yourself in the foot. With your logic, that means that YOU are responsible for men being rapists out there. While in reality, you're not if you do not partake in such acts. Here in the Netherlands, many pedophiles happen to be Dutch. I do not take responsibility for them being predators as I am not one myself.

In the end, everyone is responsible for their own actions. Even if those actions contribute to a negative stereotype associated with their genders. But someone who does not contribute to the negatives is not responsible.

I think what you're trying to say is women should hold women accountable. THAT is what it is about. There is a difference between being personally responsible and holding someone accountable. Yes, women should hold women accountable. Just like men should hold other men accountable. Just as men should hold women accountable and vice versa. Holding someone accountable is literally the contrary of being responsible for THEIR actions.

[PatriceONeal]

@TruthBringer wrong. to condemn is taking responsibility just like you being an apolost or extremist sympathetic makes your irresponsible.

For your case in Nederlands who would you say takes responsibility, the people who shame and attempt to correct and shine light on said perversions. Or the people who turn away and deny its existence? I think we both know the answer. If you live in the US and saw how much anti-male propoganda was shoved down our throats you would think 1984 and be more hesitant in fanning these flames. Women are responsible for women. Men are responsible for men.
That conflation between responsibility and blame are very dangerous. Am I blaming all women? No. Am I holding them all accountable for eachother? Definitely. Women operate on a hive-mind wavelength. They don't deviate often from the pack. It wouldn't surprise me to hear you don't agree being that you're European ;)

[PatriceONeal]

You raise and tutor eachother as women. In the US and other westernized/privilege cultures this is the case.

[Yucy_Gluttony]

@PatriceONeal the only one who taught me were my parents, siblings and teachers

[PatriceONeal]

Society also helps mold you. Don't lie to yourself. What you get likes for and don't. What you get compliments for or don't. What you get criticism for or don't.

[Yucy_Gluttony]

@PatriceONeal I'm not lying to myself, I stay true to myself

[TruthBringer]

@PatriceONeal I condemn ISIS, even though I have nothing to do with them and am not a Muslim. I condemn the KKK even though I’m not Christian. I condemn the actions of China against the Uyghurs, even though I’m not Chinese or Uyghur. Does that mean I’m repsonsible for anything of them? No. So your whole basis is flawed and illogical at its core. Just because someone doesn’t agree or support something, doesn’t mean they take responsibility. How on earth can you even make such a comparison? You clearly need to educate yourself on what condemning and responsibility mean.
People who acknowledge perversion in oedophiles here in my country aren’t responsible for said pedophiles. They simply do not support their acts. Last time I checked, pedophilia is not something only found in the Netherlands. Jus tbecause it HAPPENS in my country, doesn’t mean I’m responsible for it. Same way that if someone commits a crime in my country, that I’m not responsible for it either. I can hold them ACCOUNTABLE. But I’m not responsible for THEIR actions. I’m only responsible for my own.
“It wouldn't surprise me to hear you don't agree being that you're European “
Me being European has nothing to do with what we’re discussing. Me being European doesn’t invalidate my arguments as my arguments are rather universal in their rationality. Resorting to ad hominems is an invalid way of arguing. Try again.

[PatriceONeal]

@TruthBringer you condemn them, that's taking responsibility. If you don't condemn them, you've shirked your responsibility. You aren't responsible for their actions but you are responsible to condemn them. Her not taking responsibility for her GENDER isn't the same as taking responsibility for the actions of the individuals. There is a certain amount of responsibility/culpability here and for you to make the definitionitions unclear serves the bad women/isis/etc. I never said to take responsibility for the actions of isis. To ignore to not condemn them, to argue the NOT ALL argument is irresponsible. Just like her saying its only bad for bad women is completely naive.

[PatriceONeal]

@PatriceONeal I won't take responsibility for something I didn't do. NEVER WIL HUHAHAHHHA

Take responsibility for your gender. Or keep being children In the eyes of men.

[Yucy_Gluttony]

Only in your eyes :3

[PatriceONeal]

In my eyes and the eyes of the educated and rational thinking

[Yucy_Gluttony]

That is how it usually goes! We both believe we're right!

[PatriceONeal]

But you're not having conversation. You're not even trying to convince me or hear my argument... we can't both be right.

[Yucy_Gluttony]

I did try 🤔 but you just don't see it that way. There was even a guy who tried, but you don't see it that way either. I'll move on following my views and you yours, people don't have to convince eachother. It's okay to have diff opinions on things 🤔

[TruthBringer]

@PatriceONeal I love how common sense just flies right over your head. Whatever floats your boat mate.
@Yucy_Gluttony I recommend not to engage him anymore.

[PatriceONeal]

@TruthBringer I love how you gave up and are full blown virtue signalling instead of thinking. Just ignore the fact that women won't improve thanks to this massive audit on their behavior. Just ignore the man/woman divide and the destruction of America. Becuase your uncultured European trash that should keep your nose out of the west's business. Sitting here agreeing with a teen girl like some pathetic incel.

[PatriceONeal]

You didn't try. Don't lie and say you did. You argue in favor of amber heard and abusers like her. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[TruthBringer]

@PatriceONeal "virtue signalling". You don't even seem to know what that means. I've already given you multiple examples and scenarios to show you how flawed your conclusion is. All that doesn't seem to work so I'm not going to bother any further. Stick to your wishful thinking. I'm sure it will massively help you.

"uncultured European trash". Ah yes, let that inner racism shine my friend. And the awkward moment when you find out that Europe is considered the west. Especially the country I live in. You've literally validated why you're not to be taken seriously. And racists are def people I never take seriously.

"pathetic incel". Not sure how I can be an incel since I'm in a relationship for years. Judging by the way you're so hell-bent on attacking women here, I smell projection.

[ArtemisSilver]

Not really, intelligent people already knew domestic abuse happens to men. Thing is they almost never get help, at best they leave and are seen as divorced losers. Yay for modern feminism, it practically encourages women to treat their men like shit

[maverick2022]

Only for the simple minded that can only think in terms of gender. It's good for the world to see how full of shit women can be for a change. The mainstream narrative usually portrays men as being predators.

[PatriceONeal]

Women really do hate this on the inside. It's a tool removed from her bat belt of deception.

[Anonymous]

No because women are unstoppable. They have other women protecting them as a team.

And Simp men and white knights protecting and providng excuses and money for them

[Anonymous]

It is bad for women because it means they probably won't be able to get away with abuse as much.

[SolitarySolace]

Good

[England4eva]

No, I’m a human before I’m anything else. Doesn’t matter how you look, it’s the truth that counts.

[PatriceONeal]

Did you think like that 10 years ago?

[PatriceONeal]

No of course not. The media won't cover it so people won't hear about it. They're all controlled by mainstream media and the female hive-mind.

[MountAverage]

If we're lucky it will raise awareness for abuse in general and for female abuse against men in particular. If we're not lucky it will just reinforce a lot of men's misogyny. Most likely it will be a bit of both.

[Still-alive]

i hope it doesn't harm other girl victims cases if they come out to police and such

i hope it just sheds a light on the fact that YES men can be victims of domestic violence too. its not just against women only.

[dorksided1]

no, its bad for amber heard

[PatriceONeal]

No it's bad for women. Women are responsible for this behavior. For allowing it. For never standing up against them or for their own men.

[dorksided1]

@PatriceONeal
im not responsible for her abusive stupidity?
are you responsible for all rapists and male pedophiles? and for Oj Simpson? your logic is pure lack of intelligence

[Still-alive]

this guy is a troll. i've seen him around

[dorksided1]

@Still-alive i figured

[ObscuredBeyond]

Nope. Just bad for psycho abusive women's evil schemes. Because now, they've lost their champion.

[ODC2112]

It is not a bad thing for women, it is a bad thing for extreme feminists and capon men for whom the woman is always a priori victim.

When, on the other hand, violence has no gender.

[iJokeTeeth]

I've never seen a woman so adamantly defend men, it's kind of nice to see

[ArchaicArachnid]

I don't know if we've been watching the same thing, lol.

[PatriceONeal]

@ArchaicArachnid yeah wth

[Better_off_here]

i think regardless what the outcome is and what happens depp and heard have pretty much made themselves look bad. they have both ruined any image i had of them both.

[Subarugirl]

No one really thinks that it's bad for women. If anything it's a good thing.

[msc545]

It is not bad for women and it is a little bit good for men but will be quickly forgotten after the trial is over.

[PatriceONeal]

I'll remember

[msc545]

@PatriceONeal I hope a lot of people remember.

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

Both sides are guilty of abuse neither side have a lock on that

[jimmy2]

Johnny showed his ass anyone would have turn on him

[JesseJayNeak]

The abusive ones that’s for sure

[Andres77]

Abusers should be called out. All abusers.

[howhigh420]

yes if men abuse women its bad same if women abuse men that wouldn't hit them back aswel its both bad for female and male abusers

[FunkyMonkee]

It's not like women never do it!

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Bad for women who want to get away with shit, yes.

[myabe123]

No. Abuse is abuse and doesn't discriminate.

[RandomGuy1030]

No its not personal enough.

[Anonymous]

Not particularly, no.

[Toast792]

No? Why would it be?

[driven159]

Truth is never bad

[Anonymous]

fake news