NEW: Republican U. S. Senator from North Dakota Kevin Cramer says the fetus is worth losing the mother's life, says there's no exceptions. pic.twitter.com/1kqnp1uGCr— chris evans (@notcapnamerica) May 5, 2022So if a mother is pregnant and something goes wrong and removing the fetus is the only way to save her life? tough shit according to this guy!
I like that there are 5 guys who believe that it's worth losing a mother. I think if that woman loved that child, then maybe not worth it but I certainly don't think that child should have to live with any sort of guilt. Their mother lives on through them.
If that guy is talking about abortions in the case that it risks the mother's life, then what fucking ever. Of course, it's a guy saying that about a women's reproductive rights. 😜
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Is that even a question?
I would rather choose mother's life.
Every sane person would say that, unless there's a man who sees women as just containers for babies whose lives don't have a worth.
How that can be a question?
I am really surprised...
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It's irrelevant. It will soon be a state to state determination. More than likely aside from the West Coast and East Coast most states will outlaw abortions past the 1st trimester without medical reasons, in the South where I'm at there will be an aggressive move to outright ban. Really that should be as it should be. The US is huge, and prevailing beliefs and values vary from State to State, region to region.
It's acceptable to kill people in New Orleans which is less than an hour away for less than 1000 a head, in the community I live in murder is rare however, with the last murder for hire I remember being about 27 years ago when I was a kid. Needless to say there are different laws to reflect those values just between these two regions, much less different states, it's simple to go somewhere else to get an abortion. It's much less simple to find somewhere else to live based on values and beliefs. This could serve as a flag for those who feel deeply to relocate accordingly.Yes because that was a risk she took when she made her choice to have sex. For those that like to argue "Well what about rape?", rape is unfortunate and not right but there are measures one can take to protect themselves. In EVERY rape case (again the victim never deserved it) the woman failed to take/was ignorant of some safety measure that could have prevented the rape.
For example, walking alone at night, getting too drunk to control your own reflexes and thoughts, not taking the time to truly see someone for who they are, etc. None of those measures should determine if you get raped or not because rape is inexcusable, but we live in a cruel world where people need to protect themselves because help just might be too far away or out of reach. At the end of the day, the only person responsible for you and your safety is YOU. And for those who want to argue "A woman should not have to take these measures because she should be free to walk around without being harassed", again that is true but remember criminals do not abide by what "should be". Criminals take the opportunities given to them, regardless of legalities.
If you had sex willingly, you knew what you were doing, knew that pregnancy could result and knew that complications can happen to even the most healthy women in pregnancy. That would be like me playing Russian Roulette and hoping I do not shoot myself and die. If you were raped, again that is wrong but the child inside you does not deserve a death penalty for what someone else did. You were aware that the world is evil, the dangers you can face if you are not careful and that the authorities cannot always save you in time and that should a criminal who does not care what is right come up on you you only have yourself.
Whether or not the sex was willing, the child had nothing to do with it. However it is formed, all life is valuable. A woman having sex has obviously had a chance to live and make decisions that led up to this point and could have made decisions to prevent pregnancy from happening. There is NO legitimate argument for abortion DESPITE how anyone may feel about it.Let's think logically here.
If the child is born but the mother is dead, who will provide the child with the unique milk only a mother can provide. We are not machines. A new born child needs to feel safe.
The child is able to smell the mother. It is because a child is able to smell the mother, the child can automatically reach the nipples for milk even when eyes are closed or it is half asleep. There is a natural, biological bond that even the top doctors have not been able to replicate. A living mother is definitely needed.
Not to forget that the same mother may also give birth to other children as well.
The mother's life over the child. This is my take on the question.Her and her family's choice.
Babies bring joy to many so you nevwr know what they will say.
I personally might give up my life for my baby...
I think it depends but the value of life is equal in my opinion.
1) if it is medically unsafe for mom then losing the baby is REASONABLE.
2) if mom is just uncaring who has unprotected sex , reckless, see abortion as the first means to prevent pregnancy... I think the babies life is more worth it just because I scoff at this woman.
I'm just being honest. Who is angered loses.Weird how there's no actual quote, video or press release to refer back to
Just some guy on Twitter claiming it. But we know how that works don't we.
Sadly he’s not the only one that thinks this way there are other states that are considering making no exceptions as well. Basically they’re saying an unborn fetus is more important than woman who’s fully developed and had been here for many years I don’t know how that’s exactly being pro-life if it’s trading one life for another.
We've gotten too deeply into this form of political discussion. I've bypassed several questions that basically ask the same thing. When does the soul enter the body of the fetus or is it after? Should the mother lose her life rather than kill the fetus to save her? I posted an example of what would we do if the mother was killed in a car crash but wasn't a full term with her pregnancy. Should the EMT or a doctor perform a Cesarean section to save the child or let it die because the definition of abortion is the removal of a fetus before full term?
There are as many opinions concerning life and death situations as there is the number of ways one can lose their life.Anyone who puts a fetus (not a conscious human being) over the life of the mother is a psychopath and should be locked up in a mental hospital. These types of people are a danger to society. We need to sterilize all of them so that they either do not reproduce or they stop reproducing. I'm glad most people have enough common sense and reason to not place a fetus over the life of the mother in dire circumstances. Smh at 19% of people who voted A.. 🙄
Why not work on having a better system to take care of and protect CHILDREN!!! Children are being abused, raped , killed off by so-called parents who don't want them! 🙄 .
A system that continues to baby child molesters and murderers!!!
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The Whole system is flawed and Fucked up. These old pedophile Men don't care about OUR children. They only care about controlling Women!!!
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Why don't they make laws to stop Men from abandoning their children or make laws to stop Men from taking part in the reproduction process kmtttttI don't think a 2 year old is worth losing the mother's life over. No offense to children but being younger doesn't make them any more valuable as a person. You can't legislate that shit. At that point its not even abortion, that's like telling a woman dying of cancer she can't have chemo therapy because she's pregnant. Fucked up.
If the fetus's health is that dangerous to a mother's health and it could cause the mother to die this is a big decision maker, I know a woman who was giving birth to a baby born without a brain but she still wanted to give birth to that baby, She gave birth and the baby lived for one hour while she held it in the delivery room, I believe that she did in fact bury that baby too When politics want to play with one's health this when you pray to God for them to be voted out or impeach from office.
I think in these cases, where the living breathing life is at risk, the woman should decide if at all possible. If she cannot, the family should have the decision based on her expressed wishes.
If you are referring to / including her financial / social life, then the fetus should have the states full protection.I would bet you any amount of money that if it was his daughter or his wife he would look at things a lot different that's what's so fucked up about the whole thing until their daughter gets raped or your daughter has complications and is ready to lose her life because of this that's the only way that you would change his mind and that's what's wrong it's been his fucking business
This fetus may be alive, but it's not a sapient, sentient, self-aware organism yet. The woman is a person who's SUPPOSED to have unalienable rights which would include being sentenced to lose your life because the fetus MIGHT survive childbirth.
govt over stepping it's bounds, but I understand why and the perspective. It's a tough call, it's an awful decision to end a life or risk one or both. I don't envy such people.
To be clear... Jesus of Nazareth would not do what they are doing, nor how they would do it. There are other things Jesus would do...It’s irrelevant what other people think, the only person who can make that decision is the dying mother, and believe it or not, many many women have made that choice to sacrifice their life so that the baby mat live! My God, if nothing else, you HAVE to respect the commitment these mothers!
He should read the Bible, If thy hath not a womb, shut thy fuck up : Fallopians 23:4
No my wife is more important. We can try again another time.
I wish I could still be surprised by something like this. It's the worst kind of religion, through and through.
Hey guys, first one to vote opposing here, I think its wrong because we can't take a life from a child, the mother's life is out of our hands and it's not our place to play God and kill a child to save a mother. We should however do all we can to save both. Intentional murder is wrong guys.
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