Do you think that forcing people to sacrifice their bodies, their organs, their health, and even their lives, against their will should be legalized?

[Subarugirl]

[Seinna]

I don't like how you're trying to manipulate us :)

If we're talking about organ donation or dying for another person then of course you shouldn't be forced to do it.

But if we're talking about abortion of a child that you created by WILLINGLY partaking in an activity that you damn well knew could result in it then it's a completely different story.

The primary function of sex is to create life. I think anyone over the age of 12 knows that and everyone who partakes it should also know that contraception is not 100% effective. You KNEW that when you CHOSE to have sex. That's why I'm against abortions out of convenience (ie when your life isn't threatened and you weren't raped) as I'm against men's right to abandon their children born to women they don't want to be with by avoiding financial responsibility. Yes, sex feels good and is fun but guess what, IT'S NOT A TOY. It comes with consequences and if you don't understand that the 1% can be you and aren't willing to deal with the outcome then don't do it. And that's for both men and women. If you're that immature that you will sacrifice another person's "body, organs, health and EVEN LIFE" to avoid the consequences of the actions that you CHOSE to do FOR FUN then you're not ready for sex and don't deserve to be treated like an adult. Your question is very ironic because in that example you're the bad guy forcing someone to sacrifice their very existence for nothing else than your convenience.

[mstbooblover]

Although I do not completely agree with what you write, your point of view deserves full attention, especially about sex and mental maturity. Very difficult topics mind...

[Smashingdoozy]

Do I consent to being hit by a car if I cross a busy street? There's a chance it could happen right? But I agreed to be crossing the street. Not to be hit.

You can consent to sex without consenting to pregnancy. It's why we have birth control. It's why stealthing is rape.

[mstbooblover]

@Smashingdoozy Sure, but what has stealthing to do with this?

[DhavanT]

According to that IVF should be illigal. In IVF not all zygote are introduced. only few & rest are discarded. I am completely against anti abortion & pro life. It is wrong. It takes away women's right to choose & with all contraceptive in this world none comes with assurance that it will be 1000% effective.

[Smashingdoozy]

@mstbooblover it's about consenting to one thing not the other. I consented to safe sex with a condom not without. I consented to sex, not pregnancy.

[Smashingdoozy]

Obviously the usage goes out the window when you don't take any precautions to prevent.

[mstbooblover]

@DhavanT Oh, ok, I understand. I thought IVF to be a voluntary intervention? Odd contradiction between people wanting sex without getting children, and people choosing for IVF to get children because of some personal physical problem.

[Smashingdoozy]

But also if we use the "you knew what you were getting yourself into" argument. Then we shouldn't give liver transplants to recovered alcoholics or lungs to ex smokers. They knew what could happen. So they can suffer the consequences

[DhavanT]

Condom manufacturer don't assure their buyer that it will be 100% effective. Even tubectomy isn't 100% effective & there are still very very small chance thta women can get pregnant.

[Smashingdoozy]

@mstbooblover he's referring to the thousands of viable fertilized eggs that are thrown out because they're no longer needed. It's basically abortion.

[DhavanT]

@Smashingdoozy yes.

[DhavanT]

@Smashingdoozy yes we don't give liver transplant to alcoholics & lung transplant ( very hard to perform & not much sucessful) to smokers. There are many children born with inborn errors of metabolism that requires it they are made into priority. But yes alcoholics do get liver transplant because of politics , power & money.

[mstbooblover]

@Smashingdoozy Do not exeggerate. When a man cums inside a woman, only one spermatozoide will have the chance to fertilize the present ovum. The same with trees producing an incredible amount of nuts, from which only a few will germinate. That's just nature.

[DhavanT]

So all I am saying is Morality is good that keep our society functional but when we have technology & methods we need to see what works best for society as whole. Do case study of society where women are not allowed to abort their baby & how it served them & society.

[Smashingdoozy]

@DhavanT ex smokers and recovered alcoholics we do give transplants to.

[Smashingdoozy]

@DhavanT abortion rates go down when countries legalize it.

[DhavanT]

Okay 👍🏻

[Seinna]

@Smashingdoozy The function of crossing the street is to get to the other side. The function of sex is to create a new life. Those two things can't be compared but if you really want to then crossing the street could be pregnancy and getting hit with a car would be losing it or having an ill child.

Also, you said you consent to having protected sex and not to getting pregnant. Well, you had protected sex but only another person can respect your consent, not condoms or contraceptives. Your argument is beyond stupid. Taking it you knew it could fail and you took the risk and another human paid with their life for the risk you took i. e. you effectively forced another person to sacrifice their life for your sake. That's the reality of the situation, you did it, so why creating this entire topic to seek approval? Are you really ok with your decision and what you did? Well, whatever, you did it so own up to it.

[DhavanT]

What about Gay couples. They have sex & don't create life.

[Slim57]

It's always a relief to know there are still women out there like you @Seinna thanks for your opinion

[Smashingdoozy]

We are one of the only species to have sex for fun. Sex is not just for reproduction, it's ignorant to see it like that.

[Djaay]

Thats well put. 👍

[Djaay]

Smashingdoozy... Having sex for fun is sexual immorality. unless under GODS commanded commandments starting with of Holy Matramony. Only outside of that very parameter are humans having various problems.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Djaay again I'm not Christain I don't follow your little rule book.

[Still-alive]

@Djaay lmao...

[Djaay]

Smashingdoozy... Your disbelief does'nt change or cancel or op out the truth regardless. Point is , if you think your valued and your Not of GODS spirit , you much less dont matter to GOD and that there values someone as Nothing. The quickest way to heavens junk yard is Denial of GOD. So wether or not you believe it or not God does'nt care about your belief if it is'nt of his spirit. Dead in spirit is twice plucked up by the roots. Religions ) of any kind are GODS enemy as well. They're mans commandments , not GODS.

[Still-alive]

@Djaay Are you going to heaven sir?

[Djaay]

Im saved By grace of the Lord JESUS CHRIST. YES i hope so

[Still-alive]

@Djaay I'm sure St Peter will let you right in no problem. hopefully he didn't lose the key

[Djaay]

Mocking the Holy Spirit is worse than denial. Laugh as you wish , its your eternity..

[Still-alive]

@Djaay where's the mockery? 404 mockery not found sir.

[Djaay]

Its hard to admit... is'nt it.

[Smashingdoozy]

You can believe in whatever you want but you can't force other people to believe in or follow your religion. There's a few dozen religions in the world, just because yours says one thing doesn't make it right or wrong.

[Djaay]

Re-read my mention again. Dont think you understood it the way you replyed. I dont force anyone , we're commanded to REMIND , not judge.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Djaay yet here you are judging

[Djaay]

Here i am reminding you of the one who is and will judge you... big difference.

[Still-alive]

@Djaay why do you think you speak for him?

[Smashingdoozy]

@Djaay so you're telling me you only ever fucked your 4 sexual partners to have children.

[Djaay]

Two girl friends in school... the other two we're wives..

[Still-alive]

@Djaay you mortal sinned sir. how dare you!

[Djaay]

Stiil-alive... BC.. We're commanded to speak to others about his glory and loving spirit.

[Still-alive]

@Djaay What if what god told me contradicts what god told you?

[Djaay]

Yes i did sin , then after some time i surrendered to the lord and became saved through repentance.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Djaay so you had premarital sex AND have been divorced. Hm who are you to tell others about God's judgement when you yourself are a hypocrite.

For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

[Djaay]

Thats NOT being a hypocrit. I repented and came to the lord for my sins and was forgivin. My first wife was trajectly killed in an accident. Then i remarried once again. What is with you assuming the worst of everyone?

[Djaay]

By the way , you are passing judgements out like candy. Me reminding you of the one who will nude you is'nt passing judgement. Sorry about the truth. But you certainly are.

[Djaay]

Judge*

[Still-alive]

@Djaay You forgot the old bible saying "Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. "

Thats talking about you mister.

[Djaay]

Accualy its directed to you for placing a judgement on my reminding you of the one who will judge you. Scripture can be a double edge sword my man. Be careful using GODS words when your not part of his spirit.

[Still-alive]

@Djaay saying 'god judges you' is still just you judging people. sorry!

[Smashingdoozy]

@Djaay is that not what you're doing?

[Smashingdoozy]

I assume you're don't having children now? So you and your wife don't have sex right? Because it's immoral to have sex for fun.

[Djaay]

Not when your married with the lord as a witness. You should first read scripture to learn your wrong first , before making a fallable statement thats untrue. I have my one 23 months and the other daughter almost 4 now.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Djaay the bible says nothing about having sex for fun being wrong. You're the one who said it.

[Smashingdoozy]

But again it's not premarital sex if you never get married 🤪

[Djaay]

Having sex without marriage is a sin period. The Bible states that a husband and wife may enjoy themselfs sexually as much as thet wish. The Husband and wife are also commanded to never deprive one another of sex. I wished you would comprehend better.

[Still-alive]

@Djaay so sex for pleasure is ok then? as long as you're married?

[Smashingdoozy]

@Djaay I wish you would understand not everyone is a believer so again the rules don't apply so telling people they're immoral (which is judging by the way) is just pointless. Walk away. If there really is a god then I'll get what I deserve 🤷🏻‍♀️ in the meantime I'm gonna have fun fucking my boyfriend

[Djaay]

Hebrews 13:4

[Smashingdoozy]

@Djaay aight. 3rd fundamental tenet of the satanic temple (which I'm a part of) "One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone" 4th tenet "The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own."

[Djaay]

Whichcraft * ...

[Subarugirl]

@Djaay your opinion isn’t truth, and you do t get to force that believe into anyone else

[Djaay]

Subarugirl... What opinion? Just truth thats a reminder . Dont worry about being forced into believing , GOD gave you free will to choose your destiney. But i do know scripture does also imply that those who are against GOD or deny him won't be able to understand the spirit or GODS words.

[Subarugirl]

@Djaay No it's not truth, it's your opinion. I could start talking about Norse religion and Santa and call it truth... doesn't make it so. I was raised in the church for the entirety of my childhood, from the day I was born until I moved out. I understand perfectly, I also understand the people are capable of some pretty impressive mental gymnastics to justify the way the chose to behave. You are not spreading the gospel, your trying to rub your perceived moral superiority in peoples faces. You claim to be Christian yet your behavior is anything but Christlike. I don't care what you believe in, but I don't tolerate hypocrisy.

[Djaay]

Then you elaberate EXACTLY. how im being hypocfitical.

[Subarugirl]

@Djaay You're so quick to point out everyone else sin while you are living in your own.

Matthew 19:9 - And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Mark 10:11 - And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

Luke 16:18 - Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

Mark 10:2-12
2 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.
3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

[Subarugirl]

So unless you were lying about getting divorced, you are currently living in adultery according to the words of Jesus... For someone who seems to care so much about following the word of your god, it would seem you don't know it very well.

[Djaay]

My first wife was trajectly passed from an accident. Which left me and my children alone momentarly till i remarried. So what are you articulating or insinuating?

[Subarugirl]

@Djaay well according to the words of Jesus, if you have sex, you become one flesh and married in the eyes of god. That was made pretty clear when Jesus spoke to the woman at the well in John Chapter 4. 17 “I have no husband,” she replied.
Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”

[Djaay]

1 timothy 5:14

[Subarugirl]

@Djaay I was referring to your first two girlfriends. Unless they have died too

[Djaay]

Lmao... iwas'nt saved by the lord yet then. I've been forgivin of my sins and repented fir those two and its forgoten already. Anything else you have a doubt with?

[Subarugirl]

@Djaay oh right so you can do anything you want and as long as you "repent" you're good to go?

[Djaay]

What does Born again in GODS spirit mean to you?

[Subarugirl]

@Djaay nothing… because it’s not like people are miraculously become someone different after a baptism

[Djaay]

Then you deny God and his commanded commandments.

[Smashingdoozy]

Commanded commandments 😂😂😂

[Subarugirl]

@Djaay says the hypocrite…..

[Djaay]

Now you ssying that again... what part am i hypocritical?

[Subarugirl]

@Djaay the Bible you claim to follow says not to judge.. yet here you are

[Djaay]

Then why are you here again judging relentalessly? Back at for another swoop huh ! can't admit your wrong?

[Subarugirl]

@Djaay i’m not a Christian sweetie not am I in your little book club. Your religion and superstitions don’t apply

[EmyyWolf]

If women don’t want children they shouldn't be sexually active with a man. If there were no doctors around, who thee “hell” is gonna terminate the abortion? NOBODY!

Im all for abortion. But a grown-adult-woman should be responsible enough to not become pregnant if she isn’t ready or financially ready. She should take full responsibility for her actions. There are condoms available everywhere, there is plenty of amazing sex toys available. There are birth control devices that can be implanted.

There should be no reason for an abortion to take place at all if you are smart enough and grown enough.
Rape is a different story. Incest is a different story. And being homeless is a different story. In that case yes. Terminate it. Sterilize the homeless. Lock up those who practice incest.

BUT IN THIS DAY AND AGE.. A SMART GROWN WOMAN WHOS GOT HER HEAD SCREWED IN RIGHT, WOULDN’T BE IN NEED OF PRACTICING ANY ABORTION.

(I’m 24, poor, going to school, living with mom and dad, and if I want to have fun and get frisky, I’ll use any of my 20 sex toys, or I’ll use condoms with my sex-friend)(I’ve never had to partake in no abortion).

[Subarugirl]

Well it's your choice, but I was 19 when my birth control failed, along with plan b and I ended up getting pregnant. Birth control isn't 100%, it can also cause cancer, blood clots, strokes, and a bunch of other life threatening complications. However accidents happen and nearly 300,000 women die a year from pregnancy related complications.
If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. How ever what you can't do is tell someone else what they can't do with their own body.

[Subarugirl]

But I digress, this question isn't about abortion, its about whether you think it should be legal to forced someone into donating, or forced into having your body parts used against your will.
So stay relevant, and answer the question or this comment will be removed for irrelevance.

[Paulalove98]

@EmyyWolf what you say makes sense about being responsible with sex and birth control but nothing is 100%.. that’s the thing& even for some women I heard they got their tubes tied and used condoms with their partner still have gotten pregnant. I am similar in your shoes 23, saving money helping my family,&working part time and each time I’ve had sex I’ve used condoms with the guy because I’m not financially ready for a child yet but I’d never get an abortion just my thoughts because I wanna be a mom someday but I’m not trying to have a baby yet and I’m aware even condoms can fail, even the pill itself, the implant but I’d step up and be the best mom I could be with bravery and courage if anything happened but I believe everyone has the choice to decide if they want to have that child& telling someone what they can and can’t do with their bodies is pretty messed up but going around having unprotected sex with different guys isn’t responsible either, at the end of the day tho people are gonna do what they want.

[Rangers]

That 300,000 figure is worldwide, it's about 700 in the US. Nice try though😉

[Subarugirl]

@Rangers so if you don’t live in the US your life doesn’t matter?

[Rangers]

First off, to me the answer is YES! Women are dying in droves in the middle east due to pregnancy related complications is terrible but it's also not our problem. Even if it were, abortion in America has nothing to do with it

[Subarugirl]

@Rangers so you’re implying that their lives don’t matter…

[Rangers]

Not enough that their own inability to run their country becomes a problem that We The People need to give up our hard earned money to fix

[Subarugirl]

@Rangers So basically you’re saying is that a persons ability to affect their own social norms determines the value as a human being?

[Rangers]

No, simply saying that those shithole countries have terrible healthcare by their own doing and it's their responsibility to get themselves out

[Subarugirl]

@Rangers this country doesn’t have great healthcare either..

[NoUsernameSelected]

To answer your question, no.
But this has nothing to do with abortion. Being pregnant is not an illness. People have been pregnant and lived longer than people that can't even get pregnant.

Would you, if you could back to the time your mother had you, tell your mom "don't sacrifice your body, health, organs and freedoms for me!" (if you answer with yes, please reach out to people who can help you by the way). You want to exist, right? Any idea of how you would argue for your life that don't sound like you are pro-life? There aren't any.

by the way I'm not even anti-abortion, I think most women are life-loving people, even more so than men probably and most abortions are ended before the first trimester. So on-demand until the first tri-mester is fine with me. I am just disgusted about how people are talking about a human life.

And yes, as an atheist, this "it's just a bunch of cells" argument doesn't work on me. I don't believe in a soul - you and I are a bunch of cells. If you kill something because it's just a bunch of cells, that means basically you'd kill anyone that is an inconvenience to you if you wouldn't have to fear consequences and could dehumanize them enough.

I just want it to be treated as the difficult decision it should be. I'm not asking much here.

[Anonymous]

I am on your side in this. The left sees me as extreme right and the right sees me as left.. I can't win lol.. On that same token this is what the left must face now. Let me break it down for you.. The pendulum always swings left and right. There is always balance. This time though, the left as pushed things so incredibly out of balance, With things like pushing trans sexualisim on children, Hell teaching children as young as 5 years old about things they shouldn't even be concerned about until they are in their teens. There is a reason that the right calls the extreme left groomers... and trannies stealing women's sports records.. and places like California trying very hard to decriminalize pedophilia, that this was bound to happen. i would call this a backlash.. I saw this coming miles and miles away. But the left kept pushing and pushing and pushing.. Then the George Floyd riots happened, and then the repeated riots.. over race.. The silent majority woke up and said "This stops immediately".. I strongly disagree with where this is going, but the left brought it on them selves.

[razelove]

I don't think many people would complain if everyone was signed up to be an organ donor as a cost of obtaining a driver's license though it would fall into a gray zone. I'm not seeing mandatory suicide booths being installed anywhere, or the previous happening though, so the question is kind of confusing me.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Lending space to a baby is part of the human design behind pregnancy. Funny how in ancient times, women looked forward to it! Sure, it was a little uncomfortable for a few months, but having children over time actually makes women MORE powerful, not less!

This idea that having children must be assumed only in the light of torture, and that children must be viewed as the enemy, came from the mind of a woman who escaped from a MENTAL ASYLUM! Those in political positions who lapped up her dogma like thirsty horses, and then tried to make teaching that view become public policy, were SOCIOPATHS!

[Subarugirl]

this is a such a typical answer from a man who has never had to experience the hell that child labor and pregnancy is for most women who have to go through it... women are denied jobs for being a mother... It's kind of ironic how you act like you are an expert on something that you have never had to personally experience.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Women said it first. I merely reiterated what they had to tell me. And you think men never suffer? Who usually pays the hospital bill? Who gets to stress the most over how to pay anything? Who faces the most judgment over parenting? Whom do the corporations teach children to hate? You know that anxiety over a woman being pregnant can lead to a male equivalent of morning sickness?

Also, while a man doesn't carry a child inside for 9 months, who is the first to get blamed for life if the child grows up to be a monster, even if evidence points to the mother?

And raising children can be dangerous for men too. We're just as likely to get hit by a truck pulling the brat out of the street. We're just as likely to get mugged on our way to work. We're just as likely to wind up in the hospital for any of a thousand other reasons, and children can be as much a liability as an asset in recovery for both.

This idea that another human being existing is such an annoyance to someone, that it gives them the right to kill an unborn child, is no different than the twisted logic of a woman who will back her van into a lake to drown her kids because she's bored of them.

Change your attitude!

[ObscuredBeyond]

Those who cannot ease the grief of a woman who wanted to be a mother, by raising children from the dead, should never assume a right to kill a child either.

If you're gonna play God, you can't half-ass it. Otherwise, you're just a devil.

We're authorized to kill in self-defense, against the already-born. Or, in a position of office, only those condemned in court or in time of war, of a capital offense. Never, are we commissioned to snuff a helpless fellow member of the species, merely because of selfish desire. Or the illusion of convenience.

And baby blood drinkers can burn at the stake!

[Subarugirl]

Tell me you were never a parent with out telling me you where never a parent. Try growing a human inside your body, while working full time to put your spouse through school. Push a person the size a water melon out of a hole the size of a golf ball, have your genitals stitched up, and try to recover from that while almost dying in the process. Thensuffer though an internal infection that also nearly kills you all while expected to nurture and care for an infant with nothing but your tits for at least 6 months... Then be expected to "bounce back" be mother, wife and employee.. You don't have a uterus and do not have to experience any of those things so you can sit your ass down and shut up about something that literally has nothing to do with you. A clump of cells the size of a quarter in my uterus is not more important or more valuable than my life and wellbeing or the well being of those I am responsible for.

[ObscuredBeyond]

*were

I'm an uncle. And my siblings will tell you the exact same things I've told you.

[Subarugirl]

You have no clue what you are talking about, not about pregnancy and child birth or being a parent. So you can take a seat.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Ask my sisters. There are plenty of seats left.

[Subarugirl]

She's more than welcome to talk about her experience and her thoughts on it, she's lived through it. However, I won't have the audacity to tell her what she can and cannot do to her own body. Forced pregnancy is torture.

[ObscuredBeyond]

And sucking a child's brain out, or treating them with drugs like they're an insect, and poisoning the mother to bring that about, and cutting children apart limb from limb, isn't torture? Remember Gosnell, and how he went about performing abortions? Women had horror stories to share about his so-called "clinics"! I've got a friend who is ashamed to admit she had one. Said after her horrific experience with abortion, she'd prefer being pregnant to that! Children are not the enemy. The lies of hedonism are.

[Subarugirl]

You realized that the majority of abortions are performed before 12 weeks and can be completed with a pill... just like plan B. What are you getting so worked up about? This has nothing to do with you or your body, and it will never be a decision you would have to make. No children are not the enemy, the enemy is people who try and control women's bodies. It's the people who are charging women with murder for having a miscarriage. It's the rapists who receive lesser sentences than the women who terminate a pregnancy as a result of rape. It's the 11 year old child who died from being forced to be pregnant as the result of rape from a man in his 40s.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Still no excuse. Morality here is what it is. It is not decided by your "feelz," or mine. Nor by your anatomy or mine. Never has been, never will be.

[Subarugirl]

If you want to talk about morality… how is it moral to force a woman or girl to put her life at risk for a clump of cells she never wanted. If you want to argue that the embryo or fetus is another body then morally you would agree that a person cannot be forced to sacrifice their life or health against their will to help another person. That’s why people aren’t forced to donate blood, and why they can’t harvest organs from corpses with out consent.

[ObscuredBeyond]

"Clump of cells" = proven a farce. You're pulling out every cliche lie in the book at this point. Your cow isn't sacred, never capable of being. Moloch belongs on the ash heap of history. Spirit drinkers warrant a noose. Organ harvesters deserve only to be tossed into a volcano! With all modern medicine affords to save both, only an incompetent doctor imagines abortion is "the only way." And should then lose his license. And do you wish to speak for women killed in botched abortions, or are you programmed to not care about that?

The state of Nebraska's calloused lack of concern about this perverse and depraved ongoing injustice was literally what drove a grieving father to assassinate the demonic monster known as George Tiller.

Your illusion of convenience is bought with blood money, acquired via innocent blood you will never be able to repay. Stew in that!!!

[Subarugirl]

I care about people who are dead because they did have the ability to make choices that would have saved their life. The nearly 300 thousand women who die every year from pregnancy related complications. Id rather give teenagers the choice to be able to have a life rather than force them into a life threatening situation that are preventable... but hey if you want to force 12 year old girls into life threatening situations go ahead/

[ObscuredBeyond]

Once again; the tech exists to save both. If doctors refuse to use it, there's a bigger issue going on. But to act like abortion is guaranteed going to save their lives is folly; given how many die at baby chop shops thinking abortion will save them. You're literally saying that because a house cat is risky, that women are safer being put in a tiger cage!

[Subarugirl]

And safe abortions are safer than back alley abortions... if this were about lives, you would value the ones that already exist then potential ones. This is all easy to have an opinion about when it doesn't directly effect you

[ObscuredBeyond]

Back alley abortions outnumber the other variety anyway. Because selfish women and selfish grandparents would rather go to a seedy place on the "down low", than a place that is going to charge more and keep a paper trail. That's how you get Gosnell with his House of Horrors.

You're also dishonest about the movement being about safety. The overwhelming majority of abortions only happen, because women don't want to face the consequences of sex. They did a dumb thing for fun with some man they don't want to commit to, and God is holding them accountable, and the idol of self won't stomach that!

[Subarugirl]

Do you have any evidence that back alley abortions out weigh those performed by medical professionals? I never said the movement was about safety, its about bodily autonomy and equal rights.

[ObscuredBeyond]

The child is denied any autonomy or rights. And no one has a right to do what God forbids. Such rights, by definition, cannot exist. Especially when an infant's rights must be made null to make way for it. Rights are a zero sum game. Beyond what was spelled out from long ago, creating any new "right" for any category of human being, requires denial of a preexisting right to some other category.

Same with the rainbow movement: any push to guarantee that a profligate can force a baker to bake a specific cake with a specific political cause endorsed on it, denies the baker his right to live in peace, to believe for himself, and to serve others by choice. He is no longer an autonomous business owner, but a slave to profligates and the spirit of profligacy. Yet courts run by judges who defend the indefensible, regard this lawless anarchotyrannical enslavement of the baker as if it were "the highest good"! And then, in the name of rainbow "solidarity," judges let convicted child killers off the hook!

The land is cursed for such perversion!

[Subarugirl]

It’s called a fetus, and bodily autonomy is the right to do what you want to your own body. Because of bodily autonomy you cannot be forced to allow someone else to use your blood, your organs, your bone marrow with out your consent. I have a hard time that you would be okay with allowing your body to be used without your consent….

[ObscuredBeyond]

Fetus is Latin for small child. The body inside your body is not your body.

[Subarugirl]

And even if you consider it a separate person, people cannot be forced to sacrifice their life or safety against their will, with our their consent by being forced to donate parts of their body…. You totally okay being forced to donate part of your liver, blood, bone marrow? You’re totally onboard with the government dictating who gets it, regardless of weather or not it puts your safety and life at risk?

[ObscuredBeyond]

Nature doing what it's designed to do, and you facing the consequences of sex, which you're not too dumb to figure out, is only comparable by cynics and liars to having one's kidney stolen by the government. Or being poisoned with gene rape jabs. You spread your legs, you already signed up for what comes next.

Child-bearing serves the cause of life. The other scenarios serve the causes of death and money. Not morally equivalent.

[Subarugirl]

Nature also designed cancer, heart attacks, erectile dysfunction and parasites… you think those should take their course too?

[ObscuredBeyond]

Cancer is part of the Curse. Still a pitiful deflection.

[Subarugirl]

What curse? I’m not talking about magic, I’m talking about science

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I think the real question is do we really want freedom?

And if not, who's ideas should we be living under.

If we are to be a free country, abortion should be up to the individual person. Ultimately, it should be the woman's choice regardless of what I or anyone else feels.

But a doctor shouldn't have to do it if they disagree.

If we aren't free to make our decisions, how are we going to grow as people? We will live our lives focusing on staying within the lines rather than being who we truly are. And then there's no honesty, which makes everything fake and meaningless.

[mstbooblover]

Very wise point of view.

[ShadezMcgee]

I actually like this response. I believe in individual choice. So a woman can get an abortion if she chooses, however the doctor shouldn't be forced to do it if they don't believe in it.

[DaySpring]

Are you saying there should be no laws?

[mstbooblover]

@ShadezMcgee Of course the doctor should never be forced. A doctor also has a conscience according which he should act. The problem is moral, as well for the woman as the doctor.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

@DaySpring we need laws, but laws are needed to prevent chaos. The decision to make or a mend a law should be a careful balance between ensuring order but allowing freedom.

For instance, murder being illegal unless you have a reason to believe that person was trying to kill you.

This law exists almost everywhere in the world but how the law is specifically worded and used changes from place to place, having different remifications. Every other law has similar consequences.

[mstbooblover]

Yes, sure human societies need laws, although those can't cover all situations. I consider laws as a direction to follow, and not as absolute dictates.

[DhavanT]

Doctors will go with abortion as long as the procedure isn't benifit outweighs risks. Abortion has risk on women health & fertility. So as long as it is not harming Women or their patients Doctor will perform that procedure.

[ohshee]

. To be honest that whole sentence that hoe paragraph that whole question just made my stomach turn I swear I'm going to throw up because of the fact who in the fuck do people think they are to even think that you can control or force or make somebody do what you want them to do not what they want to do and it's their body the reason why I said I'm going to throw up is because that's where we are all headed right now that's what our government wants to do to all of us in so many find my new detail Waze and they're doing it and we are allowing them I see things and I feel things deeper than most people in your whole question is what is happening that's why I feel so sick to my stomach right now it's the truth it's what's happening it seems like it's just one big manipulation after the other

[Anonymous]

No I don't. But let's be real hear, the reasons women choose abortion have little to do with any of that. The reality is that in more than 90% of abortions the reasons for choosing one are things like not being ready to be a parent, not wanting a child to interfere with education and career plans, not being in a healthy relationship with the father, and other personal reasons.

But women always use the "bodily autonomy" argument instead of the real reasons because they know that would open up the question of why men shouldn't be able to opt out of parenthood for exactly the same reasons women do.

[Guy13]

We operate just like the Nazi. Experimentation on babies-like the Womb you women believe you have right to turn into Gas Chamber and exterminate life. Harvesting organs and parts like Nazi Monsters. You people don’t even realize you’ve been under the influence of Nazi’s ways brought over by US GOVT in 1940-45.
—Why do I waste my time with the “perfect life people” in America. Watching pigs go to slaughter…

[HighValue]

You mean like the draft where hundreds of thousands of men had to have their limbs blown off and shot in the head when it wasn't their choice?

At least for pregnancy, the woman chose to have sex, but the man didn't choose to be born into a sexist system where only men have to fight and die during war. Just like in Ukraine now how the men would be put in prison if they don't stay and fight to the death, but women can freely leave.

[Subarugirl]

and when have you ever been drafted? You realize the last draft was 49 years ago... you weren't even alive then...

[HighValue]

Once millions of women willingly get shot in the head and have their limbs blown off defending their society, then they can speak about equality. Until then they really have no legitimate argument for any rights.

[Subarugirl]

Say that to the millions of women in military

[Brokenheartedx]

Whose looking after the weans if both men and women are called up to war? The reason women aren't as they are needed to look after children. What you propose leave weans to the wolves while we go fight? A mother without her kids is no use to anyone as her mind will be on her children not war.

[DhavanT]

If you are asking for abortion then yes women have right to abort baby in safe period when aborting the baby will not harm that Women. & No abortion made illigal will do nothing but push to young women to poverty & towards non registered persons or quacks who will do abortion in non sterile manner ending up killing that women. Young people do make mistakes in their teens but they don't have to pay for lifetime for that. Also young women in their teens are more likely to have complications that women in their 20s. That said I have worked in country where abortion were illigal ( I was intern) & belive me it only destroy lives of young women.

[glennos89]

No ofcourse not! The world is already fucked up enough as it is these days! Forcing people to do things what they don't want, is mentally traumatizing for huge amounts of people already. They can be broken for their whole life when they get forced to do things they don't want!

[JamesDiaz11]

I’m guessing you’re talking about abortion, like the rest of the shrill mob of women shook they’d have to take responsibility for their choices. However, are we not forced to do all of those things to live? Ie work, where our years and health are sacrificed.

[Brokenheartedx]

There was controversy years ago by scientists harvesting organs from babies and kids to experiment on. Some people didn't know they done that and still fighting for the remains of their children. This is modern day UK with modern day graverobbers.
The horrors you describe sound something like Africa or China where they kidnap poor people to rob them of their organs. Horrific

[lightbulb27]

no. the limits of the authority of the govt is at a persons skin and about 5inches out from that to account for all the bacteria that keeps them alive.

Thus no jab required.
don't have to donate organs
that also means they can destroy themselves or whatever is inside of them they have domain over. that is the right. In my view, even if they are considered nuts.

We can offer help though should they seek it.

ah... it's good to be somewhat libertarian...

[007kingifrit]

i support abortion for rape, incest, poverty, and medical reasons

but if you're just inconvenienced? yea. fuck you. lazy slut. have the baby.

it isn't your body, you share a society with me and your actions affect me and those future kids are my future taxpayers who will pay my retirment. so if you want to steal my money. you better have a better reason than just "eh, id on't feel like it"

have a greater sense of community, and responsibility to others.

[kudoma]

So fuck the kid then. You're not pro-life, you're pro-torture. At least be honest about it. The best way to ensure your happiness in retirement is not to have a world full of kids whose parents didn't want them.

[Subarugirl]

@kudoma someone should subpoena a DNA test from this guy... They might have some kits that it will match..

[kudoma]

@Subarugirl right 😂😂😂 and make him pay an arm and a leg in child support for that attitude

[007kingifrit]

@kudoma im pro personal responsibility

[kudoma]

@007kingifrit I'm pro ensuring a healthy and happy future generation so we don't keep getting more messed up. Babies should only be born into families that want them, and it should not cause things like 35,000 in debt on the birth alone.

Babies aren't a consequence, they're entire human beings.

[007kingifrit]

@kudoma imperfect solution fallacy. your generation is so spoiled you think anything less than perfect shouldn't exist. life will work out.

the cost of child birth being 30k is because hospitals take advantage of insurance companies and demand they pay huge amounts... and since iinsurers do the consumer doesn't get pegged with the price so they don't do anything.

[kudoma]

I don't know who's spoiled but it sure isn't me or my generation. Life has been "working out" for trillions of years and we still ended up here with these lying judges trying to take away American's constitutional rights to privacy and bodily autonomy. Women aren't going to be only ones affected by this. They won't stop at this forced baby boom that they didn't get during covid.

[007kingifrit]

@kudoma 1. the judges didn't lie. they were super specific with their wording. they tricked you because your senators vote unfairly. you aren't supposed to vote based on how they will vote.

2. abortion is not a constitutional right

[kudoma]

Regardless of whether the judges lied, my right to determine how my body is used is covered in the constitution. Over 72% of Americans believe it is up to the woman to decide, and that the right is covered within the scope of our constitution. I want you to ask yourself why they are suddenly deciding to overturn this despite how unconstitutional it is.

[jennifer_bloom]

In China they do executions and each execution save over 5 lives cause their organs are donated to people who need liver transplants and executions are for causes like rape and sometimes assault and of course all murder too. My dads friend’s life was saved through a transplant he got from an criminal execution’s body.

[SolitarySolace]

In answer to the question, No. I do not think it should be forced.


I’m answer to the hidden question, a baby is not a part of your body just because it’s growing inside of you. It’s something that is meant to eventually be removed after a certain amount of time. Something that is meant to be removed after a certain amount of time isn’t a part of your body. Sure an arm or a leg can be amputated, but it’s not necessary unless it absolutely needs to be.

[Cherry234]

Of course not. I don't like the government interfering with people's personal choices about their bodies and their reproductive health. Any sane person will understand how putting restrictions or even banning the choice of what people choose to do with their bodies is wrong and outrageous.

[Hellodownthere]

The less control the government has over us the better. So the answer is no. And if this is designed to aid a pro-choice argument, then the answer is still no. My feelings about abortion don't override my feelings about too much government interference, especially in marriage or giving birth.

[TheFlak38]

Asks the woman who supported vaccine mandates calling people names because they refused to inject their bodies with experimental gene therapy.

[Subarugirl]

It's a yes or no question.

[Anonymous]

1. Don't have unprotected sex,

2. Fly to a different state or Mexico to get it done. Mexico cheap. California will pay for it.

3. Get hysterectomy

4. Abortion also destroys the women body and increase the chances of slow babies

5. dont let random dudes but in you and except TAX DOLLARS TO clean it up

[Subarugirl]

This is not relevant to the question. Please answer relevantly or your comment will be removed for irrelevance.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes I think it should be legalized

[Subarugirl]

So you are totally okay with being forced to donate, part of your liver, blood, bone marrow.. against your will?

[Opinion Owner]

Sure I'm a organ donor already

[Subarugirl]

So you're on the bone marrow, liver, and kidney donor list?

[Opinion Owner]

To save a family member sure

[Subarugirl]

That's not the question. Are you okay with being forced to donate to anyone?

[Opinion Owner]

Sure I'm fine with saving somebody life

[Subarugirl]

Great! Who are you giving your kidney to?

[Rangers]

What you're describing is murder, nobody forced girls to have a football team run a creampie train on them every night until they got pregnant, we'd simply tell them that their reckless behavior doesn't give them the right to end a separate human life