Gun haters. What is an assault rifle? We won WWII with a semi auto that only held 8 rounds. Do you want to outlaw that too?

[Pterodon]

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We won the revolutionary war with muskets. Do you want to outlaw that too?

[alderoth]

Sounds like you are missing the meat and potatoes of the entire argument. Hi! I'm Alderoth, a US Army Infantryman with 6.5 years of service with Active duty and the National Guard. I spent 1.5 years deployed to Iraq in Baghdad, and northern Iraq in a little hot spot called Baquba, the Diyala Province. I also have a gunsmithing certification, I have my conceal carry permit, and my armed security permit.

I see, and understand your point. Even in some stories about cavemen they supposedly took down a T-Rex with sticks and stones. The one thing that ties the cave man story and your analogy together is it's a singular point of view. I'm gonna get into why people want to ban assault rifles, but let me explain the analogy you gave. You put it in an almost singular tense so it seems like ONE man with ONE semi auto rifle won WWII, and that's not the case. If you get a LOT of men with semi auto weapons, then it's about the same as using an AR-15 or M-16.

See, the reason for the design of the ArmaLite AR-15 was to become a "force multiplier". Just like any new weapon invention, like the AR-15, it turned one man into almost 8 men, and that's the point. It's meant for massive destruction from the smallest, lightest, most durable platform possible.

So, using an assault rifle, machine gun, chain fed 25mm canon on an armored platform, was to fight wars. It was meant to cause as much destruction as possible, and end someone's existence as humanely as possible. It wasn't meant to go hunting. It wasn't meant for a single home use. It was literally made to turn ONE soldier into MANY. Having something like that in the normal home wasn't the plan.

Now, with the 2nd amendment it WAS written that a "WELL REGULATED MILITIA, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed". It stated that massive stockpiles of weapons within a state, colony, camp, area, needed to be kept as long as their was a WELL REGULATED MILITIA. That means every town had it's own well trained army or service basically. So it wasn't meaning every person in the United States was allowed a firearm, or needed to have one, although in those times it was beneficial.

It wasn't until 2008 when the case of "District of Columbia V. Heller" happened that the Supreme Court held that the "Second amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home." So as you can see the ORIGINAL 2nd amendment was altered in 2008. OMG!! It was altered? That's treasonous, isn't it? I guess not since it was in the gun lobbies favor right lol? Semantics...

If you look at the ruling though, there is something peculiar in how it was written. it says that the "Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess A FIREARM UNCONNECTED WITH SERVICE IN A MILITIA", but it doesn't SPECIFY what that weapon is, does it? No, I don't think it does. It just says that individuals can own a firearm and protect their home WITHOUT having to be part of a militia or service.

So that's one part of the argument. They don't specify that an AR, assault style rifle that is gas operated with a neat little direct impingement system, has to be owned by civilians. Matter of fact the US Government can regulate what kind of firearms are, and are not on the market for civilians at any given time. There is literally NOTHING that says AR's, Machine Guns, .50 CAL, NEED to be owned by anyone. They are just allowed.

Okay, now for "why gun haters want them banned". *Clears throat* FIREARM OWNERS ARE NOT POLICING THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES, DISCIPLINIG THEIR OWN, FOCUSING ON PROPER TRAINING, ETTIQUETE!! Even the Military doesn't let you keep a weapon at all times. They can take your bolt if they want. In short, You wanna be a pro, but can't do pro shit. #jussayin...

[Pterodon]

You failed to define an assault rifle and I’m a Vet too so that holds no quarter with me. We lost Vietnam with a rifle that held 30 rounds so magazine capacity doesn’t matter.

[Pterodon]

The second amendment also doesn’t say you can’t own them

[Pterodon]

The second amendment doesn’t say we have to do anything you cleared your throat over

[Lliam]

@alderoth. You're a disgrace and a traitor to this republic.

[PatriceONeal]

Dems would try to take your knives out of your kitchen if a legislator ran that policy.

[Anonymous]

They probably should.
With a musket a well trained shooter can fire 3 rounds per minute.
With a bolt action M1903 a trained shooter can fire 15-30 rounds per minute.
With an M1 Garrand a trained can shooter can fire 40-60 rounds per minute.
With an M14 or Ar15 a trained shooter can fire upwards of 150 rounds per minute depending on magazine size.
I know a lot of semi autos that are not too far off being an M1 Garrand are perfect and cheap mass shooter weapons if the king of mass shooter weapons the AR15 is unavailable like the mini14 which has the destinction of being the weapon used by the deadliest mass shooter. The cheap SKS is the bane of law enforcement and is easy to convert to full auto.
As terrible as most of these mass shootings are in the US the numbers of fatalities are not as high as the should or could be which leads me to believe that the majority of mass shooters are inexperienced or untrained bad shots.
One day there's going to be a mass shooting by a shooter or shooters that have planned an attack out so well with a semi automatic assault carbine firing 5.56 in round magazines maybe 300 rounds on their person and more in a bag. They will be well trained maybe ex military or police with or just well training. They will walk into a school, cinema, nightclub or college wearing full tactical body armor and helmets and maybe have chained up the exits and will start firing at a crowd, being well trained most shots will be a kill shot. By the end the death toll will be into triple figures. This is what is eventually coming and of course it will inspire other copycats.

[Opinion Owner]

What is an assault rifle? Its a rifle that uses an intermediate round and is smaller and lighter than a battle rifle shich fires rifle rounds such as the m1903

[Lliam]

What happens if we don't outlaw the possession of firearms to citizens? "Some highly trained madman is going to kill thousands! It's inevitable!" Yeah, right. So, based on such a fevered supposition, lets treat all citizens like potential enemy combatants. Hell, let's declare martial law.

Never mind that we already have over 80 million known gun owners and only around 4000 gun-related homicides in 2020 were not gang related. Never mind that 400 or so murders were committed using so-called assault rifles. "Oh my God! Let's burn the constitution!"
Never mind that fact that gun keep people safe. The number of defensive gun use (DGU) incidents exponentially exceed firearm related homicides.

[Opinion Owner]

@Lliam calm yourself. Anyway like I say there's a big difference between 3 rounds per minute and 150. The AR15 is the idle weapon for a mass murderer.

[Lliam]

Stick with your match lock blunderbuss.

[Opinion Owner]

@Lliam hars to commit a mass shooting with that

[Agape93]

It's just a black colored rifle that looks scary to those without a spine

[Guy13]

Yes they do and that’s the point. To be defenseless when China fills the ports they’ve purchased with Soldiers and impedes the shipping lanes in North America with their port stuffed ships.

[Iron_Man]

My brother has a mini 14 is he going to have to give that up?

[Pterodon]

They don’t have a clue what a Ruger Mini 14 is.

[Iron_Man]

Right lol

[_no_one_]

Yeah mate can't stand these mosquitoes without my assault rifle these days. Mfs be getting outta hand

[CloudMassacre]

I want people to have to take a two week class and pass it in order for them to own any kind of firearm, along with a check in test every ten years

[Pterodon]

Who will pay for it and what about a system of checks balances and appeals? You’re going to let one person decide?

[Pterodon]

You don’t allow Biden that much power

[Pterodon]

Then again maybe you do. Look what you’ve allowed him to get away with our southern border and crime in blue cities

[CloudMassacre]

Maybe a gun/bullet sales tax and taxing the ultra rich like.001% more.

I wouldn’t let just one person decide, I assume it would be some kind of comity or elected group of regulators.

I wouldn’t allow Biden to run a Hotdog stand.

So I’m responsible for the system in power that imprisons people at the border and doesn’t help the American people? 🤷‍♂️ I feel like that’s out of most peoples hands, unless they’re a lobbyist or corporation or entrenched politician.

[jengeorge26]

Absolutely not!!!