I am pro choice but the reason why I don’t support pro choice people or would never vote for the cause is because of the people. Do you agree?

[Anonymous]

This is a vent. I’m a little pissed off. I am pro choice 100% and believe it is the right of a woman if she wants to abort or not but often, pro choice women dehumanize the unborn baby to a point I don’t agree with. They call the unborn baby “a fetus” or “a clump of cells” or “it’s not alive.” Etc. You have heard all the name callings, I’m sure. You can accept the fact that this is still a human life or at least potential human life and still be pro choice. Don’t hide behind your consequences by labeling the unborn baby as something that dehumanizes it.

I won’t ever defend a pro choice person ever again nor will I ever vote to obtain abortion rights. I will vote against it entirely because of how toxic the pro choice community is. You are on your own. I was the good guy. I was the one who voted, protested and went above and beyond. I’m not doing that anymore. A pro choice member was lost today. I’m done. I’m not going back again.

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[Ευδεμονια]

I sincerely think I’m pro abortion since there are various reasons to not wanting to keep the baby, a pregnancy can occur as a result of a rape, or as an error… and an unwanted son can grow really bad. It’s better to have sons when both parents are ready and are sufficiently grown to make him grow up healthily, also there needs to be economical stability, since a baby is a BIG expense. There are also health issues for the woman, in some cases pregnancy is a danger for health. Obviously I’m not pro indiscriminate abortion, there has to be an evaluation of the cases.
I sincerely refuse to call the fetus or the unborn baby a “group of cells”, it’s always a nascent human, but I think in general it’s up to the woman to decide of her body what to do, since it’s her to bring her baby for almost an year, and later it’s her who grows the baby, it’s a very delicate matter.


I’m not American so I don’t know very well about the attitude of pro abortion people, I can say here in Italy there’s a lot of hypocrisy about that despite being abortion a recognised right by law, since we have Holy See. There are very few between politicians and famous people openly sided with the right to abortion and we have a whole lot of doctors that are conscientious objectors and refuse to operate the pregnant woman, so there’s a big number of unwanted pregnancies that aren’t interrupted.

[MCheetah]

I agree with some of your points.

I'm pro-choice too, but so many pro-choice women act like the father is irrelevant or should have absolutely no say-so in the right of that child, but then also want him to pay child support and financially f*ck him over. I'd be fine if they could stick to one mindset instead of being so f*cking hypocritical with the double standards. Are fathers relevant to a child's life or not? Pick one.

I also think any woman who has more than one abortion in her life is likely a horrible person. I'm all for them up to five months, but an abortion shouldn't be taken lightly and it shouldn't 100% be up to the woman's choice, even if she should still have a great majority in the choice of the abortion. The father should have SOME legal rights to his unborn child, but the pro-choice Liberals are so misandrist and hateful towards men, it's disgusting.

I'm still pro-choice because forcing someone to raise a child they don't love and never wanted is emotional torture and beyond barbaric for both mother and child. I just hate many "pro-choicers" out there because of their completely lack of responsbility.

[MCheetah]

Thanks for the MHO.

Me regarding the speaker in the video... I don't argue that a fetus or embryo is alive or not. I argue whether it is a conscient human being or not. A fetus or embryo is something that is in-process of developing into a human being (a baby), but not there yet.

And in my understanding, that happens right before the third trimester, which would be around six months. That's also when it becomes conscient and has the same brain functions as an infant. It is essentially a vegetable, or "brain dead" before it develops brain activity.

The thing inside that pregnant woman is an embryo prior to 2 months, and between 2 to 6 months, it is a fetus. It can only be called "a baby," at minimum, 5 and a half months in.

So my simple counterargument to her or any pro-life person is:
A fetus/embryo becomes a baby right before the third trimester. Before then, it is a pre-developed baby, NOT an actual baby.

Or, to use a simpler analogy:
First you get the chicken egg. Then the chicken. Then the fried chicken wings. You can't call an omelet the same thing as hot wings.

However, this is not to say people can't, and don't, value the life of an embryo or fetus. But it is not a baby.

[Anonymous]

Many of us do recognize that it is potential life but we still think there should be choice for various reasons. It’s always the ones with the loudest voices that get heard the most and they tend to be the most toxic. Just like the people who claim to be pro-life and then they terrorize abortion clinic providers and workers with death threats. They even terrorize the patient sometimes but most of us know that’s not all people in the pro-life community it’s just the extreme ones.

[Anonymous]

Let the babies be born, and let the mothers kill them. Problem solved. Drown them in the bathtub. You shouldn't be so gutless to need a third party easing your your mind.

[Asker]

Thank you for pushing me further to the right

[Opinion Owner]

You have a long way to go,, to get farther to the right than me.

[Asker]

You are far right?

[Guy__]

I think the ideal place to be is far moral, which would be outside of the left and right spectrum.

[Effably]

I am glad that people are at least looking at the important part of this: When is it actual life?

If we consider a fetus to be alive, what about an unfertilized egg? It is certainly also human cells with potential for real life.
What about sperm? It is also very much human, living, cells.

This little video really is not the own people may want it to be. It does highlight the need for when we consider something alive and this is how most european countries do it. We look to science, discussion. Decide that at this stage it is acceptable and at this stage it is not outside of extreme circumstances. As usual with most debates in the U. S you could look at how the rest of the world solved it.

[Anonymous]

You aren't the good guy you are fucking prick.

You dont even understand the subject either, no one is asking you to decide if a woman has an abortion or not, the only thing being decided is whether it is safe and legal or not, it will happen regardless.

If you change your mind each time the wind blows then you dont have any substance or principles.

Dont pretend that you are pro choice, you have never been pro choice you have always been the sort of cunt who thinks he gets to choose for other people, you dont, get over yourself.

And dont fucking blame other people for your shitty attitude, grow a fucking pair of balls already.

[Anonymous]

This is my issue with pro choice as well. The level in which they try to not take responsibility, to not feel guilt. You are murdering your unborn child, you should feel bad. It feels almost inhuman to do everything you can to not feel bad about it. I’m pro choice as well and personal relationship wise pro life. I personally find it unethical and not virtuous to abort. If I have a kid on accident, that’s my burden to bare and I have to step the fuck up and give it a good life. But if someone feels they must abort, let them, it’s there morals and virtue they’re sacrificing.

[Surely]

I saw an interview with a pro choice woman on TV. The interviewer asked her abortion at anytime during pregnancy. She adamantly said woman’s choice. Then she was asked, even after birth. Her words again were “Woman’s Choice!”
Then the interviewer said “What about up to two years after delivery? She again said “Woman’s Choice !”
I guess that you can’t fix stupid!!
Someone should have called her mother and asked if she wanted to abort her daughter that was doing the interview!
With that being said. I am pro choice up to a point. But not partial birth or after delivery like some people seem to want!

[Anonymous]

Referring to the unborn child as what it is, a fetus, isn't denying that it has the POTENTIAL to become human life.


" I won’t ever defend a pro choice person ever again nor will I ever vote to obtain abortion rights. I will vote against it entirely because of how toxic the pro choice community is" - letting your personal feelings influence your decision of something you feel strongly about. It's almost laughable at how proud you seem of not being capable of being objective. Not something to brag about buddy. It's actually pretty pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Agree. I wouldn't say I was the guy to support pro choice demonstrations but I wasn't against them either. But I agree too many women today just want the option to abort just because. And too many women treat it like just taking a pill.
FACT: 51% of abortions are done in pill form.
I'm not suggesting we make it more medieval. But I am saying that abortion has become routine to women who support abortion. They've dehumanized it to the point that it's a CHOICE not a LIFE!
With power comes responsibility. And until society shows they can handle that responsibility they shouldn't have that power.

[normalice]

Seems staged. The simple fact is no one can force you to use your body to save someone else's life. This is a guaranteed 4th ammendment right to everyone except pregnant women, now, which doesn't make any sense unless they are lying to us and protecting rights isn't actually their main objective...

[MikeInHawaii]

Both sides have gone to extremes. I don’t see a two cell zygote as a human. I wouldn’t force a rape victim to carry her rapist’s baby. I also wouldn’t allow a viable baby to be aborted at will. A baby born at seven months has a 95% chance of survival.

[Cherry234]

What's dehumanizing about calling an unborn offspring a fetus? Those people are just stating a scientific fact.

[Jamesshinobi]

im conflicted on abortion. on one hand killing innocent babies is abhorent, but on the other hand so are miserable liberals and POC. i think we should increase the abortion age to 35 and round them all up and get rid of some clumps of cells

[exitseven]

Yes, I am prochoice as well. I will not condone the violence and vandalism that is going to occur this summer because of this ruling.

[Anonymous]

That's a pretty dumb reason not to support pro-choice candidates just because this girl was unprepared for this debate. Anyone who was prepared for that debate would have annihilated that fat slob at the podium.

[JohnK123]

I don't know but then everyone of us here on the planet could’ve been called lifeless… yet here we are 🤷‍♂️

[grega239]

Agreed. The behavior and attitude of these idiots is sick

[slatyb]

"Dehumanize?" A fetus is not a person.

[Asker]

An unborn baby

[slatyb]

There's no such thing as "an unborn baby". A baby is the result of a live birth. Before that, it's a fetus. Before 24 weeks, it's a tiny unconscious bit of protoplasm.

[mark000h]

@slatyb your opinion is disgusting. A baby with a heartbeat, fingers, toes and a brain is what you call protoplasm. Gross.

[slatyb]

@mark000h brain? A 24-week fetus has no brain.

[jimmy2]

Be piss off all you want

[anon1903]

You're not wrong