I oppose abortions on demand, so why should I be taxed to fund Planned Parenthood so it can provide free or low cost abortions? (Page 2)
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I don't remember who came up with the idea, but I really like framing taxes as a trade between you and the government. Almost like you are buying certain services. And if what you're getting is less than what you're paying for, you're being over taxed. In a similar vein, I think you should be able to opt out of paying for not essential uses of federal dollars.
So yes, I do think it is wrong for the government to force you to pay for something you morally disagree with
Then I opposed those pro-life who decides for the pregnant woman to keep it. It's just really hypocritical if your point of view only matters. You wouldn't like it if laws for pro lifes having a say exist. If you like to say those who got pregnant accidentally shouldn't have an abortion then I can say the same thing to you that you shouldn't get a surgery or a hospital treatment if you had an accident for having fun in your backyard. What's only making you both abortion it's just because you believe it is a human being but however that's not what everyone else believe. You can't just claim the Monopoly of that discussion by just saying "Science said and anyone who disagree are just stupid" and call it a day.
Another way to prove my point. You see how you don't like to be taxed? But there you are making decisions to control someone.
Your actually not controlling anyone because the government does not need to supply it, you would be enforcing the government and controlling people to supply abortions if your pro choice because you think it's your right to kill what is healthy and normal.
Why are people ignoring such a natural instinct and a whole reason we live instinct for what exactly?
If our purpose is simply to kill over supporting people to thrive and learn and to be independent and learn that birth control is not a means to be irresponsible with sex and not a means to not prepare for a child. Then why have a choice to life if all we do is destroy it.
Your logic only contradicts what you are stating of others.
You are not born to kill.
You are not created to to be killed.
You are not the master of your body because if you were you could control every gone darn organ in it. But you can't. You can only prevent. You can only hope.
This should not be an argument to begin with.
Why are morals and values lacking in life. It's honestly so strange.
What decision did I make to control someone else? Please explain?
You're still thinking about how it is killing someone but not is still based on your point of view because I don't view abortion as murder just like how a lot of other people do. Really though that's your only argument. Like you're already valid just because you believe it is a human life with human rights. You push your belief into the law book, that would just make you a supremacist. How about if I say, people trying to sue anyone for abortion should be sued just to be fair? You don't like it? Then you're a hypocrite. That's exactly what I meant by trying to control others because of your point of view. I mean to be fair you like to accuse pro-choice of supporting murder. I can also ask you the same thing, what makes it murder? Saying that it is a human life it's not valid because it's not a fact. It may be a living thing but it's not a human life. Cells are also living thing FYI then that would mean we committed mass murder if we drop a semen. But if you really like to argue that a sperm cell is different from a fetus then I can also argue that a fetus is different from a human or a born baby. Like choosing whatever argument that is the most convenient for you
When did I push MY belief into law books and which law books specifically? I want to go look at those books.
And I am STILL waiting on an explanation of what I have done to control someone else? These re baseless assertions that undermine your credibility.
By opposing abortion, you wanted it illegal meaning anyone should be arrested for aborting. That's pushing your belief into the lawbook. Perhaps you just failed to see the explanation but just blame it on anyone but you
So I am responsible for this Suprme Court decision?
I'd say so. Chances are you want to keep it that way
That's a democracy. You don't always get your way. Tax dollars go to a variety of the things I oppose. Bank bailouts, wars, foreign aid, etc. But my tax money also goes to things I'm behind so I take the good with the bad.
This is not just a matter of not getting my way. Ths is something to which I have a deep and conscentious objection.
@OlderAndWiser its called Planned Parenthood not Planned Abortions. You there prove a large number affordable health services. Like contraception, general health, std treatment, men's health, women's health, pregnancy health, and reproductive health education. And all the federal funding that Planned Parenthood has received has never been used for Abortions.
So if your ass gets ass cancer and you can't afford the hospital, Planned Parenthood help you out.
But even with all the amazing affordable health services they offer, they can't cure stupid.
Planned Parenthood actually provides a very small amount of abortions. Most of their services are things you'd probably want women that you are connected with to have.
This statistic is a few years old but informative:
"Planned Parenthood is the primary supplier of abortions in the U. S. According to Planned Parenthood’s most recent 2019-2020 annual report, it committed 354,871 abortions in fiscal year 2019, up by 9,199 abortions since 2018."
www.frc.org/.../the-real-planned-parenthood-leading-the-culture-of-death
The amount of abortions compared to everything else, I mean. Abortions are a small part of their services
ANd I have no objection to an organization providing contraceptive servicesm although I am a bit bothered by the entitlement mentality that demands that such things should be free for everyone.
I don't care if someone get an abortion. It is their business; not mine. It doesn't matter anyway because we are not an endangered species and there are too many humans. However, I don't want to pay for other peoples abortions.
I don't want to fund the schooling for your gaggle of slack jawed yocals, but I don't have a choice.
You oppose abortion, that's fine, don't get one. You're entitled to your point of view. You're not entitled to control other people's choices.
I don't agree with paying school taxes if I don't have children in public school. Is that ok too?
There is a constitutional right to public education in my state. I don't have children, but my taxes support.
Your argument is not persuasive. I say "A is wrong." You say, "Well, B is wrong, too." So that really doesn't address whether A is wrong.
There is a fundamental difference between CONTROLLING other peoples' choices and be required to PAY for them, so this argument missed the mark, also..
Why should I pay for something I'm not utilizing? You're not getting abortions, I don't have children receiving public education. If we paid only for services rendered, I'd agree with you. Such is not the case.
There is a constitutional right to public education and we are all required to support that. And I do benefit from the checkout girl at the grocery store knowing how to do simple math,
There is no constitutional right to abortion. And I don't benefit from someone else getting a free abortion.
Are you ok with abortions that are paid for?
But you DO benefit from paid for abortions! You do not have your taxes used to educate them!
From a financial standpoint, abortion costs a lot less than 13 years of public education. Isn't that what matters? Dollars and cents to John Q. Public?
Too right it does.
Your accounting is short-sighted because it fails to account for the services that educated person would render.
Or might be an non-productive...
Thing is, either way you pay.
@Jessica405 I would rather pay to educate a child than pay to kill him or her.
That is your choice. Seems we females have lost one of our choices.
@Jessica405
You lost a option, WOMEN have not lost anything.
You will benefit from kids going to school. You don’t wanna be an elderly lady and not have enough nurses and doctors.
I like eating steak, flying first class and driving a Lexus. Is someone else “controlling my choices” by not paying for these things?
Your constitutional rights can be waved away with a flick of the pen. Your individual rights, civil liberties... all it takes is a decade or two and a bunch of activitist judges and all your civil rights are gone. Thats what we have just seen happen and your applauding it, like don't realize what you lost.
Absolutely, you shouldn't be taxed to pay for the education of other people's brats. Parents should pay for their children's education. If they can't afford it and their children are not educated, I don't care. Public schools don't educate anyway. That is why you have people graduating high school that can't read their diploma. Instead of educating, public schools indoctrinate.
Just look at more that 50% of the people that post questions and/or opinions on GAG. They appear to retarded and most are the product of public schools.
If you look at all the stuff the government spends (wastes) money on that goes against what you believe in you would probably move to Mexico. I suppose in a democracy everybody's needs and beliefs have to be addressed.
SO... HOW MUCH OF YOUR FUNDS are YOU PERSONALLY willing to contribute to the INEVITABLE
un-aborted/un-adopted ... apparently 'un-wanted' 'sacred life' offspring's nutrition,, rearing and education expenses this change WILL require!
THINK of society's morality which necessitates 'neutering' and veterinary euthanasia!
You’re certainly within your rights to be morally opposed to it. I guess I’d just say, regarding taxes, I consider foreign wars to be murder, and I get taxed to pay for those. Or at a lesser degree, I pay to educate kids I don’t have, pave potholes on streets I don’t drive one, pay for police/fire/EMS services I almost certainly won’t use.
Seems like no matter where someone stands politically, thinking about where your tax money goes is a good way to drive yourself crazy, haha
I don't advocate for being made to pay taxes for anything you don't want.
Don't support it, don't pay for it. Same reason why j resent paying extra for stupid shit I don't want.
I’m opposed to being taxed for a lot of things, including the parts politicians skim off the public trust or enrich their friends or relatives with. I don’t think you should be taxed for this and neither should I. They could put a box in tax forms like they do for the presidential election fund.
I agree with you on all of your points. It seems that my taxes fund many programs I oppose or will never use.
"Aside from rape cases, no one FORCED you to get pregnant. You had a choice and you made it. Yes, sometimes decisions based on morality are just that simple."
No. Pregnancy is not simple.
Birth control of any kind does not have a 100% success rate.
So, a woman can have sex with her husband, try all of the prevention in the world, and still get pregnant.
The only way she could not get pregnant is if she stopped having sex altogether. Would her husband be ok with that?
If you go outside and catch a cold, chances are someone is helping cover your medical costs. I wouldn't want my insurance company to pay for your cold or my tax dollars through medicaid either. Please don't leave your house. Does that make sense?
Also, if that child was born and the family couldn't afford it, your tax dollars would be paying A LOT more to cover the costs of that child's life, as well as its DESCENDENTS!
Not to mention the indirect costs of poverty related crime
If you are using a form of birth control that is no 100% effective (like vasectomes,) then pregnancy is a risk that you knowingly and willing assume. If you want me to help pay for your abortion, does that mean I get to choose whether you engage in sex? Of course not! So you take the chance because you know someone else will pay for the abortion. And you could have used Plan B but that would have cost YOU money instead of me.
"If you go outside and catch a cold, chances are someone is helping cover your medical costs." Where did you come up with that lie? I pay all of my outpatient medical costs and I've never spent a day in the hospital.
"if that child was born and the family couldn't afford it, your tax dollars would be paying A LOT more to cover the costs of that child's life," Then place that child for adoption! I don't agree with the government paying you to raise your child because you have chldren that you can't afford. Bringing a child into this world when you know you can't afford it is child abuse, unless you plan on placing the child for adoption.
It is not everyone else's responsibility to pay the price for your mistakes. If you disagree with that statement, then I know how you vote in every election.
Yeah because your really concerned where your 12 cents goes.. l
$0.12! Hahahahahahaha!
Foreign aid bugs me more.
The premise of your post is disingenuous. The Hyde Amendment prevents federal tax dollars from funding elective abortions. Yes, Congress provides funding to Planned Parenthood for birth control, reproductive health care and sex education….. but not abortion, except in rare cases such as to save the life of the mother or incest.
I oppose many taxes for what they use them for, I imagine we wouldn’t pay much if it was actually used for what we need it for but unfortunately they do what they want with it
You're right! You're right... So why did I have to get my account unfrozen when we both disagreed with each other and someone cried to you? Maybe it was another mod but I don't appreciate that. I have notified GAG of abuse of power
The inconvenience of pregnancy? What about the inconvenience of raising a child and giving it a good life?
Are you willing to pay taxes for post natal care and child support?
Not my responsibility. I'm not the one who failed to use contraceptives. If you REALLY don't want to get pregnant, there are ways to avoid that which are very effective and available.
As for "the inconvenience of raising a child and giving it a good life," just be responsible and don't get pregnant. I do not condone or countenance irresponsibility.
It's not your problem if a women and/or child suffer, just as it's not your problem if a fetus gets aborted.
How can you be compassionate about an unborn child but totally lack compassion for living human beings?
Having compassion for people does not mean that I should pay for their abortion because they were too damned lazy and didn't care enough to use contraception.
But you said that people aren't your responsibility. That basically means that you don't care if they live, die, or have a miserable existence. So why do you care about the unborn if you don't care about the living?
this hits the poorest the worst
the black women
the asain women
the women in poverty
this is such a right wing view
what next will the right want to oppose
free contraception for women
free smear tests
free drug rehabilitation
benefits for the poor