Is being conservative part of the natural human condition for a free thinking society? Why are only white western societies filled with liberalism?

[WhiteBoyChill]

It isn’t just “conservative white Christian people”. It is part of a global worldwide network of free thought.

It’s the natural human condition.

Why else would all the rest of the world’s countries be conservative? As a matter of fact its still like 90%+ predominantly white western countries that allow gay marriage and transgenderism.

South America is deeply conservative. Africa is deeply conservative. And Asia is deeply conservative.

Now why is that, if not for western media constantly telling us what to think instead of allowing us to think for ourselves?

That is presumably the root cause of the issue. Our wealth and priviledge has made us grow complacent as a society.

We no longer search for life’s answers ourselves because we see it as the role of the government.

That is the primary reason people are liberal. Sheer laziness.

Most other countries have far more hard working populations, since survival is much more difficult without any kind of security guarantees or assistance from government

[alice55]

Countries filled with liberalism are only Anglo saxon one, in France liberalism is seen as a bad things.

I doubt South America is conservative considering the amount of drugs and prostitution they have, those country are just shithole truly, they're not conservative. It's county full of corruption where rich get richer every years and poor poorer and poor people are full of druggie and prostitution, they have no moral neither values except money...

Africa is also a shithole. it's just full of corruption and people who make hundred babies while not having money, the men don't take care of their family are lazy and go to Europe while abandoning their baby mama and children.

SouthEast Asia is filled with prostitution and others shit like that. Japan isn't really conservative the old people are but the young not that much. They were a question about how much Japanese would defend their country in a way and more than 90 % of people say they wouldn't. It's also filled with prostitution, gamble, etc... (they also don't consider having sex with a prostitute as cheating since for them they're just paying for a service...) This all doesn't scream conservatism to me...

Also the West like American think doesn't exist at all, the West is basically just Anglo saxon; all others countries of Europe are just much too much different to be considered as being the same as America.

[Cubus]

"They were a question about how much Japanese would defend their country in a way and more than 90 % of people say they wouldn't."

In Western European countries it was 70-80%, so just slightly lower.

[alice55]

@Cubus Western countries don't really mean anything, we should see the percentage by country to country.

[alice55]

@Cubus In France 30 % of people are willing to defend their country it's not much but a lot more than Japanese too you have to consider we have more than 30 % of Arab in France (without counting all others, Black, Asian, etc...) so the percentage of real French people must be quite high really.
In Japan they have no foreigner, there less than 5 % of foreigner but they're not even 10 % of real Japanese willing to defend their country so is it quite a big difference.

[Cubus]

Yeah, but France out of all Western European countries have the highest %. Higher are only in Ireland (38%) and Denmark (37%). For comparision:
- Germany - 18%
- Great Britain - 27%
- Italy - 20%
- Spain - 21%
- Portugal - 28%
- Belgium - 19%
- Netherlands - 15%

Italy has less than 10% are immigrants, and still the percentage is low there.

And when it comes to Japan - I think it's because their aging society.

[alice55]

@Cubus I don't think it's because of the age cause they only asked young people in age of fighting, there's no point in asking a grandpa who's 90 years old if he want to fight, I mean he might say yes but he wouldn't be able to do much (usually).
It's weird to see such lows percentage, maybe higher one are only in county that are very nationalist?

[KostasKouvalis]

Yeah, I've been to South America and "deeply Conservative" is stretch. Chile, Argentina and Uruguay have a lot of Liberal hippies who do nothing but paint and smoke marijuana, and they also legalized gay marriage.

Caribbean and African countries are more Conservative then Latin American ones.

And you're right that basically every country that isn't Anglo-Saxon, either has shit infrastructure or shit customs. Even Japan is culturally very backwards. And even Eastern European countries are corrupt and culturally very backwards.
So Hitler wasn't entirely wrong when he said Germanic people are the master race. Because Germananic countries, especially the Nordic ones are always praised for their strong work ethic and low crime and are among the only countries where people don't scam tourists. Although Iceland is the most Liberal country on earth, which I don't like.

[Cubus]

I wouldn;t say it's based on nationalism, because in Sweden it's 55%. And Sweden is top 3 mot left wing countries in Europe.

[alice55]

@Cubus Wonder what the reasons are then

[alice55]

@KostasKouvalis In Europe Latin countries are also filled with corruption and the Southern one too. France is kinda weird cause we're a mix because German and Latin in some area we're more Latin and in others more Germanic. Ours politics is also very weird because it's basically a equal mix of communism (Melanchon), capitalism / liberalism Macron and Far right Nationalism / Security Le Pen.
So here we're kinda in a weird mix and also we're not fully democratic we're a semi democracy honestly since the president got too much power (he have his power as president and also power and control over the parliament and the ministry).
He can basically pass any laws he want without asking anyone for it. (even if all French people are against it he can do what he wan).
France could be as rich as Germany but were mainly an agricole country and agriculture earn a lot less money than industry (which are basically what Germanic countries are) too Germanic countries would be in deep shit if they weren't in the European union, their food would cost them a lot more. Germany also have a big chance of falling into recession at the end of the years because they depend 90 % on Russia for their energy and we have put sanction on them so they wouldn't get any gas for this winter. They need to ration drastically their energy.

[KostasKouvalis]

What the hell?
American President can issue an Executive Order without permission, but everything else has to get approved by the House and Senate.
I always used to wonder why we even have a President if he can't even do anything, but French system isn't very good either. At the very least the people should have a say. But at the same time, if they voted for him, they voted for any laws he might pass. But at the same time, it's not fair that he's only representing a portion of the population.

Now that you mentioned that, I think elections are a little bit unfair. I would personally like to see everyone get equal representation. Like just using California as an example, there are Republicans here who don't want Newsom. Where is OUR representation? We have congressmen, but there's only so much they can do.
So I think it's very unfair that a significant portion of the population should be governed by someone they do not want.

That's true. A lot of countries mooch of the EU. Poland is a big freeloader. They take the most, but give the least.

Lol. Let's see where Germany's Green Energy gets them😂

[alice55]

@KostasKouvalis Truly not even 30 % of people who voted for him and a tons of people who did only did it because they didn't want Marine Le Pen to become president cause they're afraid of France right party.
The president have so much power' because De Gaulle changed the constitution of the country (which made the fifth republic), French don't mind living in a semi Authoritarian country if they agree with the laws the president make. They were actually happy to give more power to the president cause it's faster this ways but it came to bite them in the ass when we changed of president.
Hollande for exemple had pass many many laws we didn't even knew about cause he passed them all with the 49.3 (which is a total power to the president to do whatever he want, when he want, etc..) but apparently there's new strict laws that make it harder to use now.

[alice55]

@KostasKouvalis
De Gaule had more power than any others president (and the French supported this decision cause they loved him and they hated all their others republic / president cause nothing ever got done since the parliament was never happy and voted always no). But he also always asked the people their opinion with referendum and people always said they agreed with the laws he wanted to make so he made them.
Macron him don't ask anybody and do what he want.

Totally right, your election in America is weird and in Europe we see it as non democratic and not logic.

Yes and one time they made me laugh cause they asked the EU money for building city where to put the gay people so as not to see them anymore XD
Romania also take lots of EU money and never give it back but then again it's filled with corruption same with Bulgaria. Reasons why they don't want to take Ukraine. Though if they had put Ukraine in Otan back in 2008 and in the EU while sending people there and money to get the gas Ukraine would be quite rich and the EU well off. (there's lots of gas under the ground of Ukraine but they cannot use it because they don't have enough money to build the stuff they need to extract it). If we had helped them, we would had cheap gas and not depending on Russia anymore.

Germany are the west at green energy they just stopped to warm people bath (like during PE you can take a shower in school but there they said ok but only a cold one), they're going to close tons of swimming pool during winter and forbidden people to warm their house higher than 17 degree in the heart of winter. SO I don't think they plan on getting green energy, they would just use charbon like always and buy their electricity in France (they liked to say our nuclear energy were polluting and dangerous now I think they're going to say thank you for not listening XD) Good things France never listen to any EU laws we just do whatever we want, if we think their laws is shit we don't apply it XD

[Cubus]

"Yes and one time they made me laugh cause they asked the EU money for building city where to put the gay people so as not to see them anymore XD"
Any sources?

"Good things France never listen to any EU laws we just do whatever we want, if we think their laws is shit we don't apply it XD"
So you're happy with Macron who tried to enforce abortion on all EU but Putin happened?

[alice55]

@Cubus It was an article who I find on internet after having click on an address on reddit but I don't think I could find it anymore, I will try to search if I can find it.
Didn't heard about this one but I was mainly happy with the fact we didn't listen about the Nuclear / green energy stuff.
We don't really talk about European laws in France at all, we just hear and that was many years ago that France never listen to EU laws so we always get fined by the EU.

[alice55]

@Cubus I think it was this one : www.reddit.com/.../

So it's not exactly as I remembered it it's the EU wanting to stop giving money to Poland because they want / or have free lgbt zone. So the EU doesn't want Poland to fund / have this area with EU money. (or something like that but truly I think they just use whatever excuse to not give money to any countries).

[Cubus]

That's correct "whatever excuse"

[KostasKouvalis]

Pretty much the same reason Biden was elected.
Well if they agree with them, yeah 😂
What? Which country asked that?😂
See. But no one grinds France's ass like they do Poland's for instance. France has always done their own thing which I admired. Doesn't France get most of its money from tourism though?
Sucks for them. Same thing is gonna happened to Poland. People on YouTube were making funny jokes about it.
Yeah, I heard about those zones. And I agree, they'll look for any excuse not to give money, especially Eastern countries.
Turkey wants to join too, but no one wants them because of the Islam.
And you may hate Macron, but I strongly support what he said about the Muslims.

[alice55]

@Cubus Yes, they also want to do the same things to Hungary the reasons they say is "because Hungary refuse to take immigrant"
Soon they will find a "reasons" for every countries Europe...

[alice55]

@KostasKouvalis We get tons of money from everywhere I don't really know exactly we get money from everything, tourism, food, Luxury, industry, agriculture...
Yes, they say Eastern European countries are corrupt and that the money given to them don't go for the people but France, Italy are quite bad in terms of corruption though nobody say anything about it. France is filled with corruption and lazy people not going to work but still getting paid and not being able to get fired. I worked in a town hall as a accounting so I saw all the corruption first hand, people used the town hall money for eating outside in expensive restaurant (and also use the fund of the Eu) while refusing to give the money to the association who need it and then go on about complaining they don't earn enough money and that the Eu is poor cause we integrated ex communist countries (though majority of people aren't like that there's one or two assholes who were this ways and they were the most lazy people I ever seen , i was the one making all of their work for them cause it was work that needed to be made vastly, I also didn't have many work to do and was quite bored so doing their work was an advantage to me truly).
Yes Turkey is never going to enter the Eu, for enter the EU every European countries need to say yes to their adhesion there's no ways that all countries especially those like Italy or Eastern European are going to say yes to a Muslim country. They should better accept Ukraine in to the EU, they're like us.

What did he said about the Muslim? He say so many things I don't remember everything

[KostasKouvalis]

That sounds about right. In my old city in Southern CA, there was this snobby girl. Her father was Egyptian and constantly reminded everyone, and he got caught using city money to make calls to Egypt. I don't know how he got elected mayor so many times.

Corruption exists everywhere and if you have connections you can get away with stuff. Even in my job. So many lazies and assholes get special treatment because they are well connected.

I'm paraphrasing, but he basically said, "Insulting Muhammed isn't illegal in France. chopping heads off is." And he basically said he's not gonna be bullied and he's not gonna let go of French principles just because Muslims don't like it.

[alice55]

@KostasKouvalis People don't really care for mayor usually, they aways vote for the same person.
Yes, that's crazy.
I remember but it was many years ago I was still in high school it was about the Charlie Hebdo killing but yes it's one of the only good things he said.

[KostasKouvalis]

Well this one was about the teacher who got beheaded because he criticized Muhammad in class. Yes, this is the only thing I agree with him on.

[alice55]

@KostasKouvalis I think he said it both time but yes

[Anonymous]

What calls itself liberalism in the west is just postmodernist neomarxism.

Actual liberalism is a centerist standpoint that is no longer represented by active political parties, as the supposedly liberal parties have been subverted via entryism and are now teeming with hateful communists who want to destroy western civilization and a legion of useful idiots.

As for being conservative, yes it's the default. Doesn't make it better, the ideal is hard won balance, wisdom gained through suffering, which sadly we've lost somewhere along the way.

[exitseven]

Traditional roles have been reversed. 50 years ago Conservatives were all old rich guys who had traditional viewpoints and were inflexible in their thinking. The liberals believed in free speech and freedom of expression.
Now it is Liberals that are against free speech and free expression and Conservatives have a more flexible mindset and are more inclusive.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[Guy13]

I think you are exactly right…I’ve traveled and what you are saying is true and not only the Middle East refers to us as Great Satan….

Decadent Society and Debauchery are the Conservative words I know to describe the why and how….

[jshm2]

Nah don't flatter yourself.

Your centuries of slavery, theft, colonialism and brutality was bound to implode in a humiliating wimper.

[WhiteBoyChill]

If any other race of people enjoyed the same power white people did, they’d have done the same thing

[anylolone]

You are confusing traditionalism with conservatism.
Burk and evola are quite different dudes.

Technically conservatism is a thing also only in the west and heavily western influenced societies.

[007kingifrit]

a society that lives in peace too long will devolve into liberalism.

peace causes sleep

the dreams and lethargy deep

with no need to fight

you give up your might

so peace you never can keep

[Dargil]

Because they want free stuff and to control what others do.

[Juan4574]

South America was conservative about 20 years ago, not now.

[Juan4574]

My country, Colombia, was the most conservative and Christian, not now, women are filthy sluts and my university is full of tomboyish and LGBT feminists, in addition to the fact that abortion was illegal until the sixth month.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I don't know bro. South America does have much stricter abortion laws than Europe. And gay marriage only got legalized once International courts pressured countries to act

[RobEurope]

Most of the world follow their own traditions while the European traditions were largely desyroyed by protestanism, during the reformation, which enabled liberalism to emerge. American settlers were mostly protestants fleeing Europe.

[Anonymous]

Asia is a dictatorship
Russia dictatorship
Africa is corrupt and doctor ship basically
Latin America gang run the country
Middle eastern country dictatorship

[Cubus]

Because Western is the richest and money is tempting.

[peedy]

Because they become the fascist , communists that we see in other parts of the world

[Anonymous]

You have it backwards. There is nothing free thinking about being a conservative.

[KostasKouvalis]

There's nothing free thinking about being a Liberal either if other people are telling them what to think

[Anonymous]

I don't know what's more astounding in your question, the ignorance or the stupidity.

[OddBeMe]

Why are only liberal societies the best ones?

[WhiteBoyChill]

How do you measure what’s best? Isn’t that subjective

[lickysplit]

You got it backwards