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Why do so called pro-lifers (forced birthers) want the government to stay out of their church but want the government to stop abortions? (Page 2)
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There is a distinct difference between allowing people the freedom to exercise religion as they choose and allowing people the freedom to commit murder for convenience. Of course, it is already clear that you do not want to confront the label of murderer, and want to mobilize the poplar sentiment against religion to validate your desire to kill unborn children.
pro lifers expect the constitution of our country to work. the constitution clearly states we have a freedom of religion. it also clearly states that murdering babies is not protected by the constitution and that laws regarding such is left to the state.
There’s also NO RIGHT TO BE BORN. That’s explicitly in the 14th Amendment and the conservative judges legislated from the bench and LIED to the Senate.
Hypocrisy runs rampant on both sides and everyone wants the government to control the opposing side. I'm so sick of the stupid abortion argument on GAG, so I'll leave it at that.
I'm also not left wing or right wing, for what it's worth.
I feel the same way
I've been asking myself this same question. I say it's time to start taxing churches since they're influencing & making policies.
No support to raise the child? Evangelicals are not calling for the abolition of child support, the father must pay what he owes. What do you mean in terms of racism, you mean opposing rioting black lives matter activists and thinking it isn't a bad thing when black people who commit crimes go to jail? Abuse is a problem certainly, but whether you want me to mention it or not murder is still murder.
It is not complicated. The primary purpose of government is to protect people and their property. If one believes that a fetus is a human being, he or she will likely be pro-life. If he or she does not, then likely pro-choice. Even libertarians who hate big government and hold to the non-aggression principle (NAP) will be pro-life if they believe the former (Ron Paul, for example).
Regulating abortion is NOT the job of the government – whether federal, state or local.
And the government is failing to protect people based on the fact that they won’t issue public health measures in a pandemic.
To me it has nothing to do with religion. I'm ok with the morning after pill. However once it gets a heartbeat. it is a life. And should be given the opportunity to choose it's own path. As an adult. If you're going to make a baby. You should be responsible for your actions. And if you don't want kids. Maybe don't do the very thing that makes them! It's not rocket science.
Tell me why is a functioning heart the line for you and not for example the formation of unique DNA, or birth for that matter?
A heart is just a pump, no matter how important it is but one part of you.
Why is that part so special, is it the parts relatively easy mesurablity?
Does the heart have some significant religious or metaphysical significance to you?
Would brain activity be better for you if it were more easily detected?
@monorprise because our soul is attached to this flesh by a heartbeat.
@EndGame55 If that is your believe then i can at least accept the justification for a state majority composed of such people would decide only those with said soul would be entitled to the protection of the right to life.
Most people in my state feel it is attached at conception which is why here it is illegal except to protect the life of the mother, just like murder.
There was nothing in the constitution allowing abortions. However there is Freedom of religion without persecution
The constitution was meant to be a document that could be changed as well. However the entirety of the governments ability is not solely enshrined in the constitution. That’s why we have courts, laws, representatives etc.
What if it's a choice between your life and the kid's life? If it's a choice on whethet you live or die, you should have a say in it, no doubt. Look up ectopic pregnancies, the kid will die either way and will take the woman with it if it isn't removed.
I’ve had an ectopic pregnancy and it was considered an emergency ! It put my life in danger! And if I had a choice between me or my child, I’d always choose my child over myself!
@Jay3344 Why bother changing the Federal Constitution, when you can simply decide the issue the same place all other forms of murder and "medical procedures" are decided in the State legislator?
@Supermomof3 is correct abortion was never part of our Federal Constitutional agreement, when the lawless Federal politicians in black robes decided to rewrite said agreement on a case by case basis.
They not only deprived 60+ million Americans of their right to life, they combined with the conspiring Federal executive violated the Federal Constitutional contract.
@AssholeNumberOne In every state I know of you do in fact have the option if that really is the choice. Why do people keep talking like this would not be the case in any state?
Well, I wouldn't. And I think you know it would be cruel to choose for me.
@Supermomof3
Well because a lot of conservatives are not religious but still anti abortion. And religion is a very poor argument because you can't show any evidence.
I think both are wrong - banning abortion is wrong and interfering with church is also bad unless the church is preaching hate based on race or religion.
Where is it agreed that "race" or "religion" are "protected" subjects suspending all other rights under the constitution to prohibit disagreeable conversion on?
Also tell me in regard to the issue of Abortion outside of the written law, why do you believe you yourself are entitled to the right to life, food, and shelter? Tell me why others shouldn't just knock you off when by their actions you become inconvenient to them?
These are the questions which we all must answer to know if abortion is illegal. Most of us answer theses questions based upon our personal and religious believes about the nature of life.
What is your believe, and just as importantly why do you believe your believe should be imposed upon other people in other states?
@monorprise I believe in freedom of choice and when you discriminate against a person based on their race or religion, you’re blocking them from choosing their destiny through self determination
@jennifer_bloom
This is not the question, The question is whose life is worthy of such freedom at who's expense?
When you kill a person based upon them having become an inconvenient as a result of your other actions you are making it entirely impossible for them to choose any destiny thou self-determination.
At least when a person merely refuses to work with or allow near anther person on any category at all.
That merely discriminated against person could still find their destiny thou self-determination everywhere else and with everyone else. The one who was killed has no destiny or choose at all.
Cuz they're indoctrinated. It's what they've been taught all their lives. I was one of them. But I didn't know then what I know now, so all I can say is, woe to those who know and still support it. They'll get what coming to them.
You can disagree with me all you want lmao. I ain't changin my mind
you can't deal with a zealot, their minds are made up that you are wrong and they will do anything they can to enforce their views, believe me I know I used to be a religious zealot.
I think they are more concerned with the premise of Murder than the premise of Sin. Two concepts.
that is the point, one side believes it is both which it clearly is not.
I think the Hebrews considered a fetus part of a women's body. The scriptures say "If your right hand offends thee cut it off". That suggest that what she does with her fetus is her business and no one has the right to judge her.
Because those are different issues. One is about freedom to practice one's religion. The other is about the government intervening to stop someone from killing someone else.
Why do so called pro-choicers want the government to stay out if their abortion business but want the government to force everyone to take an experimental vaccine?
Not all of them do.
@Guy__ vaccines are pro life. Always have been. Pro-lifers can't mind their own business. They are the entitled and self righteous. They won't allow free will and they don't trust their God to do what he said he would do. And most of them can't even agree with themselves. They all think their branch of Christianity is right and the others are fake christians.
They exist to take away the free will God gave us. They can't let people be themselves. They think they can control all because they're doing God's work. They also don't believe in freedom of religion.
@Friendlybro79 no body is perfect.
@Friendlybro79 I am Unmasked Unmuzzled Unvaxxed Unafraid. Un/Nonreligious. The way it's supposed to be. However, you have the ability to wear a rubber, get your tubes tied, get a vasectomy. You have something called responsibility. If all else fails? The woman has a choice. Baby or not. The man has equal rights. Baby or not. In only the essence he does not and will not have any responsibility in the means of finance. Pure and simple. Tell that to the Judges? A man can simply say "fuck all." When this occurs? The man is evil? Bull shit.
But Libtards tell me this thing? I do not have a right to be Unvaxxed? Why? Because I can fuck up their loved ones and kids? I can't show up at restaurants, or any venue because I don't want an experimental 8 jabs that does not prevent you from getting Covid.
@schittywok exactly, the libtards as you call them are hypocrites, they claim to be pro choice but only concerning abortion
@EndGame55 That is true but it's not a good enough excuse unfortunately. I do understand not all conservatives or christians are bad or evil if it's not clear. @guy__ I hear you and understand your point. That's fair to be reminded of this.
Because these religious morons don't understand that sex can give pleasure too it's not just for baking babies and polluting earth
No one would be a “forced birther” if we all just used a little self discipline and didn’t get pregnant in the first place, or accepted responsibility for our bad decisions.
Or they want the federal government to outlaw abortion but, when it comes to taxes, it's "don't tread on me"
Gotta love republicucks, right?
I’ll believe they’re pro-life when they regulate guns the way they regulate women’s bodies.
Just so you'll know, you don't have to be religious to be pro-life.
Lol. No one's forcing anyone to give birth. Sex is a choice.
LOL
Why is this so funny to me?