Do people not realize that the founders would have banned abortion?

[Stoner710]

Ok I want to get something straight here, had the founders known the constitution would have been interpreted as such that it allows abortions the 11th amendment would have banned abortion outright. Same with gay marriage by the way the constitution doesn’t protect gay marriage or abortion. Period end of story, You my agree that women (because women are the only one who can get pregnant) should be able to get an abortion you may believe that gay marriage (which makes no definition of sense) should be allowed. But had the founders known that the constitution would be interpreted that was the 11th amendment would have banned abortion and the 12th amendment would state marriage is between a man and a women. Why do democrats not understand this?

[Anonymous]

How is it that you don't understand that the entire point, the main focus of the American philosophy is personal freedom, this is the essense of what is being promoted and protected by US laws.

What the founding fathers might think about anything is irrelevant, they are not Gods, they are judged on the merits of their arguments, turn their arguments or products of their work to garbage and opinion of them follows suit.

It is a shame they didn't do a better job, or rather it is a shame that the inbred muppets who followed after them only ever cared about waving flags and screaming wooo, merca no.1 yeah! and never bothered to carry out any maintainence of the system they lived in.

And here we are.

They must be spinning in their fucking graves over what you have done.

[NamerOfStars]

Probably because they've actually READ the Constitution- the eleventh Amendment says that state governments don't have immunity against suits brought by citizens of other states in federal courts; that has nothing whatsoever to do with abortion. The twelfth Amendment says that the President is to be chosen by Electors, rather than the popular vote, and that the House chooses if no one has a majority of the votes. That doesn't even have anything to do with LAWSUITS, let alone marriage.

Citing laws in situations where they don't apply just makes you look stupid.

[Anonymous]

First of all, gay marriage is protected by the equal protection clause. People have a constitutional right to be treated equally under the law. So if you have secular laws governing marriage, you must apply them equally to all classes of people. Discriminating based on sexual orientation is wrong every single time. The court looked he other way for a long time out of sheer bias. Abortion is less clear because it was based on an implied right to privacy that was essentially court created. The founders could not have foreseen the modern need for privacy. However, your comments on the 11th amendment do not ring true as abortion was generally legal in the US until the 1820’s and no such interpretation existed then.

[SamA_nold]

What does it matter what some rich white men thought in the past?

[Sandeeppingping]

The fact they made this country...

[SamA_nold]

…and? They helped build some of the documents, and set up the government, but their personal opinions are irrelevant to modern concerns and issues.

[Agagagagaga]

Their personal opinions formed the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. You know. The basis for the government that millions of people live under.

Moron. 🙄

[SamA_nold]

Yes, a group of men with mainly political backgrounds came together to draft political documents. We follow those documents, but we do not follow the individual beliefs of those men. That is why, say, we don’t own slaves, even though some of those men believed in the process.

Their individual, 18th century ideas are irrelevant to the lives of millions of 21st century people. What they think individually means nothing when put against the political system.

That’s why even though presidents may come into power, we don’t support their individual ideas. They are bound to a legal document.

Moron. 🙄

[Stoner710]

if that is the case then it is perfectly reasonable for a state to split off from the United States and become its own separate country. the Constitution on the documents that were written. the Constitution declaration of independence and the Bill of Rights was a social contract between the states that they all agreed to abide by, if we no longer have that 18th century social contract, then it is perfectly reasonable for Florida to become its own country and New York to be its own country rather then have a central government make rules that every state has to abide by, that is how you will get civil war 2 if say California can tell Texas what to do and visa versa.

[SamA_nold]

They could, I never said they couldn’t? I wouldn’t say it would be reasonable though, as most states would not be self sufficient enough to last.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the 10th amendment? And could you try to stick with the original topic?

[Sandeeppingping]

He is on topic, right on topic, you asked a question I answered you said so what?, so now that he basically explained so what suddenly it's ohhhh stay on topic.. Bruhh

[Stoner710]

I’m perfectly familiar with the tenth amendment, This is why you got 2 college professors 1 from Harvard 1 from Yale saying in the New York Times the constitution is worthless in the 21st century. Which abortion and gay marriage contraception isn’t protected is not protected so the tenth amendment would suggest those issue go to every individual state to decide on those issue, my state has full legal weed. Which the constitution says nothing about being able to control so my state is in acting it’s 10th amendment right to decide on these issue (even though my favorite SCOTUS judge Clarance Thomas has smoked in favor of marijuana legalization on the federal level). Weed as much as I agree should be legal still isn’t protected by the constitution I’d rather have the individual states decide on the issue rather then the federal government or SCOTUS reading into the constitution for something the constitution says nothing about.

[SamA_nold]

I see you struggle to see the difference between “why is it important what old white men think” and “the 10th amendment gives states rights.”

Do you want to bring it back to the original topic?

And your argument from authority is fallacious and irrelevant here.

[Guy13]

They realize it but do not want to hear about it and they do not with a Marxist loving Media !!

[dustybiker]

The founders would have too been ignorant if they tried.

[Stoner710]

not at all, the founders where primarily christian it would just be a normal thing to them to out law abortion right off the bat same with gay marriage

[dustybiker]

Are you under the impression the medical
procedure also used to abort a fetus is solely used as birth control?

They would have been ignorant to think their religion was the only religion also. Their own religion uses fear and hate to control. Both make followers blind to science and facts, love, life and death too. That includes a mothers death.

[Stoner710]

the founders (especially John Adams) did know there were other religions out there Adams wrote a good piece on mohammidtons and how they were welcome in the united states (the term islam wasnr a thing back then) now most of them would have rejected the concept of atheism and agnosticism. they would have told athiest and agnostics that is country isn't for you and you would probably like to move to France after there revolution.

now abortion is primarily used as birth control, its another form of it, even in situations like rape you are controling weather or not your going to give birth , the child is still being prevented from being born

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Looks like I didn’t realise, but then again, I never got any idea that they’d’ve been for it. If the Founding Fathers wanted the country to be so biblical, why don’t they allow polygamy, or at least polygyny?

[Smoke-n-Growls]

One of the founding fathers literally wrote a guide on how to perform abortions.

[Aerolyn]

I bet you a good about of people wouldn't give a shit if you told them

[CloudMassacre]

The founding fathers were also a bunch of rich racist assholes who didn’t want women or brown people or poor people voting

[Sandeeppingping]

Damn they were smart af then we failed them

[ellaa1_1]

honestly americas a shithole and im glad i dont live there

[dustybiker]

Not all of it. But I do get your thinking.

[Anonymous]

Yeah and that's one of the reasons why they hate them.

[OddBeMe]

Not sure they would. Masons are scientists.