What should we do to help illegal immigrants?

[Anonymous]

Before complaining Americans, please see those illegal immigrants and see how worthy and risky they try to come to this country, to know that this is a country that a lot of people desire to live, to learn that there is a lot of things that this country have and the other countries do not have, instead of complaining about a couple benefits still in argument.

Before helping unknown people, we should know our lives are made and helped by Americans. Do you think taxes from ever countries helping you more than this country does? Help ourselves first, when we can take care of ourselves, we can take care of others. But we can’t give what they want because our and their demanding often are unlimited. We help them to get what they should have, we fight for their rights in their countries if you think that violates human rights. I bet if you know the lives of people trying to come here, you should not be too complaining about America. We can acknowledge them, let them know what they should do and what is right, and influence them to stand up and help their places so they can not only help theirs but also help other people in their countries.

[PeteBy]

Need not go further than all people in the US are illegal immigrants.

Don't bother responding, I won't. It's not worth your effort.

In the case of illegal immigration in the US. There is none. Doesn't exist. Can't!

I'd love to challenge you in a million different ways.

BUT ALAS! NEED ONLY ONE! You illegally stole, raped, pillaged, wiped out communities across the USA, not just native Indian land, but Mexican.

If ONE American comes on here and doubts or questions that. Then that tells you the mentality of Americans!

You don't exist as a nation. Just a great big melting pot of, guess what? ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

[Asker]

The war in the past was there for purposes, even the peace we got here now is the legacy from them. There is no certain milestone to claim where is the best time to claim a property since we don’t know (when we were not evolved?), since wars, since human have been demanding. Even we are in peace, not all but some people in every country still love to have more benefits. For statement, it’s not U. S., if you want to complain about U. S., then explain why we are fighting, invading and forgiving even it’s arguable in the whole history of humanity.

Even an animal still took the territory of their kinds. What do you expect more? It’s human brain.

[Asker]

We can not just say even the animal is able to do this, for this reason, that reason so we are free to steal, rape, pillage or wipe out other communities. The history proved settlement between countries and border change all over times. There are people born to protect, people born to invade, or do nothing. However, the trend is changing, the change of settlement between nations, and their borders are far more non-changing. In another word, invasion between countries have been shortened. America, Russia, Japan, China, German even wherever countries who are able to take other territories of small countries. Why don’t they risk to do that?

For me, there is an underlying rule are forming to tell “brain-ful” creatures that things basically change. Who know, lives today so far are better than indefinite wars in the past even we are still in conflict, but the conflict is better for self-humanity. That can be in words from whom people propose for solution or win-win situation. If they don’t, we may still live in a country wanting to invade another country because of the princess lol.

[Asker]

Back to U. S., my old country taught me every single shit of America, how does it turn out I am now? I am not say I am an ideal person.
I personally woke up from my brainwash and fight against my ignorance every single one to come to this day, some I still kept, some I learnt, some I changed and some I still questioned. If I was one of I was, you may see me fighting for something like “doing in my ability, taking in my demanding” like a legal professional thief today.
America is good in its way. They are influential vanguard about immigration. Yes they took, everyone took, but they fixed it and lived with the enemy. If we see a portion Indian or Hispanic/Latinos from legalization or illegalization, you may want to change your mind about America’s stealing. Mexico was in war with America. It’s hard to say they took it. They took then they give. It’s more than 200 years and America’s territory is still the same, no more stealing.
A thousand of year this land still was wild even it has an owner. You can not blame America when they are born from those war and detached from invasive country from the West. In fact, they put a speech for independence. Why don’t we see more clever? America took but then shared with everyone even with the enemy legally vote, live and enjoy their life here.

You don’t want to respond. Fine. I don’t care about your responding since you don’t seem to respect me. I came up to do politics in my mood fairly. I just typed what I need to type. Let people know what they need to know. Soon, you no longer see me so I don’t bother you in million ways.

[Asker]

After World war II, America and the world were in best shape for America to invade. But even a single one of territory they didn’t take. One of their invasion (or not invasion really) is Korea and now South Korea is independent country so far. My old country is Vietnam. There is a thing I know that people didn’t vote to stop invading my old country. They just voted to avoid a further war which cause a thousand pain for people there even now they are not better so far. But the point is if you see American people, do we propose stealing? Things could work in a wrong way, people could be brainwashed, but stealing like actual stealing, I don’t see its existence in America any more.

[goaded]

Just out of interest: do you think the immigrants bussed to DC or flown to Martha's Vineyard were illegal immigrants?

[Asker]

Yes, it is

[goaded]

They weren't. Anyone who tells you they were is lying. They're legal asylum seekers who have been processed by the authorities and made a claim.

[Asker]

Which news told you that. Give me a link.

[Asker]

I would say to you. Wherever shared it. That’s a big news. However, leftists now is not dumb enough to pick a false news to share and then get dumb more. I’ve gone over leftists popular news and likely no one said like you said. Where did you pick that news?

[goaded]

It's not illegal to be in the country while waiting for your asylum request to be considered. They had been processed at the border and allowed into the country. They were, however, given false advice that would make it extremely difficult for them to meet their legal requirements.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1570803548501446661

[Asker]

First for not letting other people confuse, it’s a some of those people there are requesting that benefit, not all.

Second, different states have different laws of immigration and governors have enough benefits to execute that. Furthermore, that’s not required for governors to do same laws as interstate laws. Remember Trump’s time, how many Governors go against interstate’s laws. Don’t complain about it when illegal immigrants know about Florida’s policy, it’s just time for different governors execute it or not. Remember we have U. S. law, we have state’s law. What those governors do is legal, but what in the border is not legal when the amount is politicalized instead of basing on population of America and current condition of overall immigration. Read about rates of approving asylum. If they get risks in those states having low rates, that’s their choices and governors can move them out for state’s law and situation. Do you want to go further more?

Politically, how can they be able to move around, live before applying asylum if they haven’t been illegal before applying that? That’s a problem of processed. Do you know that even you live in a different state, legally as resident, you still may not be able to apply for living in different states? That’s possible even for residents and citizens so don’t complain for illegal immigrants.

[Asker]

President have more rights to do interstate’s law. But in state, that’s all on governors so don’t try to exchange it.

[Asker]

And your comment does not help to solve a problem at all, it’s disconnected from the topic. See my question again.

Border is crisis, not even an argument. Biden does not solve a crisis. The states solve the problems for themselves. If you want to blame, blame the higher authority first.

[goaded]

The border has always been a crisis.

[USLegionary]

We need to fly and bus larger numbers to northern states. If we as a country are going to allow open boarders and mass ilegal immigration then its only right that all 50 states share the burden rather than just the boarder states. I do think its a good plan to send them to exclusive places the wealthy liberal elites live & holiday in like Martha's Vineyard, Newport, Aspen, Beverly Hills, the Hamptons, Lake Tahoe, manhattan and so on. Its a different story for wealthy liberal elites when it's their own your doorstep and if they help them all the better send more though in most exclusive places the elites live or holiday and in many liberal cities its ilegal just to be homeless.

There's a lot of homeless in the country right now, people who've lost their jobs, people one bad month away from being on the streets, struggling after covid to get by and in the boarder states we've got God knows how many coming in and people there are trying to help with soup kitchens and temporary housing but this is no longer enough.

Let Dora the Explorer in

[monorprise]

Send them home.
We only allow open borders among a Federal Union of States because that Federal Union provides certain securities.

Securities like:

A) Guaranteed extradition of criminals (Article 4 Section 2 Clause 2) as to make our own laws enforceable.

B) Protection of the Republican system of Government (Article 4 Section 4 Clause 1) as to insure the people fleeing are fleeing because they are the minority not because they are simply running away from a dictator they should be dealing.

C) Full Faith and Credit (Article 4 Section 1 Clause 1) To protect our ability to govern ourselves and work together.

D) Privileges and Immunities (Article 4 Section 2 Clause 1) to guarantee our own citizens are likewise treated in their State, so its not just 1 way.

Without theses securities your opening the door to abuse and frankly creating more oppressive places around the world.

[Asker]

That’s awesome. Thanks you for sharing to anyone.

[BeMuse]

The funny thing is the globalist cut your food supply by restricting farmable land in the name of climate change, reduced fertilizer deliveries so that crops won’t grow, killed tons of livestock using bogus PCR tests, sold your food reserves to foreign nations, and destroyed food processing plants by the hundreds. They are actively sabotaging your food supply with plans to starve you for the next three years. World famine levels could be biblical if some major decisions aren’t made to change course. Yet Democrats who supported those globalists want to invite millions of hungry mouths into their cities when those same Democrats have no farm land to grow food on… What do you imagine will happen to you? You will starve to death. Go look up the Holodomor. That is the world that you are creating for yourself.

[BeMuse]

Your cities produce nothing. You can't even manage your water correctly. You will die and one of those illegal immigrants will probably eat your body.

[Asker]

They let Europe and China, especially China, become factories releasing the most and the most toxic gas, liquid to solid trashes that have thousand years of dissolving in environment all around the world. I may believe the normal people who are lied by them because they ambitiously want to save the world even they might be a little naive to believe Democrats, but I shall not believe any democrats talking about environment as well as they started to criticize Europe and China about their pollution to the world. Everything leftists talk about environment’s issue is a complete political game. How can we believe them with that? But I am glad there are still people realizing that. Thanks for pointing that out even it’s unrelated to this topic.

[BeMuse]

It's not unrelated. Every person in a city competes for resources. If supply chains for resources are reduced and you increase population, then people will die. It's simple. The supply chain for food is being severely restricted in many countries at the moment. It hasn't hit home just yet because last years storage hasn't fully run out yet and shortfalls in harvests haven't been realized until all are in for the fall. They want to help immigrants when they will not even be able to help themselves when supply dwindle in the coming months. On top of that globalist unions are staging transportation strikes that will disrupt the logistical flow of food to eat and fertilizer for next years crop production. The longer it goes on the less there is for the cities to eat. They will get to know the deep hunger if they don't wake the fuck up and change their behavior. First prices spike, shoplifting runs hot and businesses close shop due to all the theft, then people start by eating garbage when they can't afford to eat, then their family pets go into the stock pot, they start snuff at the grass, they eat acorns, they hunt pigeons and rats, etc. But eventually in cities those run out. There are way too many people for way to few resources. They rob and kill each other for their supplies. Eventually they start eating each other. They start with women and children because they are weak. Shit gets fucked up when there is no food to go around. Out in the country where people have farms, forests to hunt in, places to fish, and all the skills to do that people prepare for their own survival and make due on what is around. They also have tons of guns and hordes of bullets to kill any retards from the city that think they will come rob them. By policy leads to dire circumstances. You commies in the city need to wake the fuck up, support production by farmers, support transportation that get products to you, and keep out illegals so that you can live. Stop being stupid.

[BeMuse]

*Bad policy

[BeMuse]

Not to mention all the sickness that happens when people are malnourished from lack of food, and from lack of fuel to stay warm during cold winters... It's no joke... When your local stores get robbed and burned down and there are no supplies, you also have to content with lack of sanitary supplies. People are always dirty. Generally water gets disrupted during civil collapse. It is way worse than you can imagine. You can avoid all that by keeping your population under control, protecting your borders, and supporting issues that are important to national security like food production. It's common sense. People in cities have it the hardest when things get bad.

[BeMuse]

*contend

[BeMuse]

If you keep letting them in the country, we're going to keep bussing them and flying them into your cities. It's a self manifested problem. Fix your thinking or it's going to be very painful for you.

[Asker]

Thanks for sharing. You should open a new topic for that in another question. What I mention it’s unrelated is what should we do to help them? I didn’t say anything like let them stay in every where they want.

Furthermore, I am not the one complaining about sending them to Martha’s vineyard or Democrats celebrities’a places. In fact, if you read and perceive every my comments in here, I am the one support for it lol. Look like you attack your ally in here. I choose stupid comments as useful opinions because I already explained it in the sub-comments. I want to acknowledge everyone about that so people will not be lied by wrong-counter like Florida sending asylum seekers.

[jshm2]

You're confused.

Illegal immigrants CANNOT be helped. A court of law has adjudged them as such.

What you're actually talking about are "asylum seekers" who are a different kettle of fish from illegals and economic migrants.

Most Americans are daft as fuck and think everyone who is not White or black is an "immigrant". When in fact, the opposite is historically true.

[Asker]

What you say is not wrong except a last part. In the beginning, White or Black were never immigrants. It was the racing invasion for territories from West countries. And it’s not most Americans thinking about that. That’s a group of people confusing.

However, for asylum seekers, thanks for pointing out that. Even that does not change the major illegal immigrants living in this country are increasing if we really verify single person living in this country but that sounds more insane. The illegal immigrants from the border can not stay long if governments or interstate agencies being responsible for this does not “open a way” for them to come across America as illegal immigrants and so far, become citizenship with asylum application. They don’t know a way to come across the border in a couple years ago after 2016, that’s why they didn’t crowd like a crisis now.

[Asker]

There is a thing I want to point out either. Asylum seekers can be refused due to the drop of their asylum request. They may be sent back or out their state depending on authorities on that state.

Second thing I need to point out. The amount of asylum seekers can both increase or decrease. The court of law adjudged those illegal immigrants, but also asylum seekers over years.

[Anonymous]

Nothing. Send them back and make sure no new ones arrive. And I’m not even American. They’re called ”illegals” for a reason - what they’re doing is illegal. They’re criminals and you have no idea to what level. The illegal entry to and stay in your country may be their only crimes or it may be just one crime on a long list of very serious or violent offenses. If you want to move somewhere then you go the legal route like everybody else.

[Asker]

Glad to have someone partly same as me. I do want to call them illegal with my offensive voice but that would offend some people with a problem in their morality. I try to share my opinion as neutral in political sides as possible even the point is not. My purpose is I want them read this more than offend them.

[VanillaSalt]

Ideally send em back… but since the federal government isn’t helping Ide say shoot them. They don’t want them in Martha’s Vineyard why must they be here in my home?

[Asker]

I don’t think they stay there longer.

[Avicenna]

Their own countries should help them. The US has plenty of problems of its own and cannot solve other countries'.

[Asker]

Your point is right. However, their own countries would not help them, that’s why they’re here. What we do is not welcoming them but helping them by electing a person support forcing those countries treating them better. We can not help everyone thinking their life is suck, unfair. We don’t have that duty and are unable to receive all of them without no harm for our country. What we got here are Americans have ever fought for us whatever political sides they follow, not those illegal who will lately vote for their own benefits.

[Asker]

However, that will make us in term of “offensive country.” So yeah, what we can do is just sending them back, close our border and acknowledge them so they can protest, hold a rally for themselves, for their countries.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

As my heritage country is literally flooded with illegal migrants, I say send them back.

No country is obligated to carry the weight of another country's citizens, poverty and all their problems.

They have their own government, let them deal with it.

[Snakeyes7]

Offer them a path to citizenship if crossing the border is the only crime they committed. Otherwise, deport them because it's obvious that they want to be a leech for our tax dollars at that point.

[Asker]

That’s not bad. For me, I think it’s hard to work in a right way because there is a lot of people and portion of them is still a lot. Furthermore, they can take advanced for that benefits to cross the borders more and more and gradually become American citizenship legitimately which should not be a good thing in a long term.

[Asker]

However, that’s not a bad idea if we solve it temporarily then completely close the border so no more people try to take advances from it.

[Snakeyes7]

In that case then they should be tried for crossing the border. Once they serve time, after they prove that they knew about the legal way and chose not to use it, then they can try it again. How's that?

[Asker]

That’s not bad idea but you didn’t get my point. Let me explain more. If we are easy for them to do that, so more people will try to cross the border because there is a legal way to do that. In another term, you are indirectly supporting for them to cross the border. Suppose that I am them, If I certainly hate my country so I want to move to America and now there is a certain way with 100% percent success as my attempt. I already know America will treat me better than any way (that’s why I leave my country), furthermore, abuse and violate human rights in America is very sensitive so there is not much way to take legal way go farther than over-work a little bit than Americans already does. Any restriction could easily be made more by those immigrants. First, that will make over-immigration from the South. Second, that doesn’t change the other concerns when that big amount of immigrants could take jobs from Americans who live and contributed a long time. I know it’s not fair for them, but this is not fair for Americans neither when they can’t find job in their country because the other people in another country come and take their job. This is America for Americans. That is Mexico for Mexican. That is Columbia for Columbian, and so on. The fact that we can not change where we born legally and there is a reason for a “nation” term. What we can do is help them making their government treating them better so there is no reason for them to risk and cross the border, even that may make us a little aggressive country but it is still better than leaving people living in bad environment or receiving them as refugees.

[Jacadia]

People dont care about how people are treated in other countries most have never been to those countries its not their problem. They only care about America their families and friends and have a safe place to live and work.

[VanillaSalt]

Most Americans don’t care about other Americans…

[Berethor]

Nothing, who need that shit? they turn the country into shit, just like their homeland.

[Asker]

That’s not wrong.

[Xylem1992]

Oh I'm sure people who break international laws to enter a nation will be valuable assets in that nation.

They should get enough help to be moved back home. That's that

[Asker]

That’s helpful. But thing is not only that. They let more people pass the border than they said. The crisis in the border is worse than they can describe on main media if you compare between what Texas media let us see and what leftist media let us see. If this is Texas, California must be worse.

(There is a dude talking about asylum in my topic.) Without asylum provide, why do people keep staying in the border if there is no more way to come across the border?
Logically, because they know there is a way to get risk. Remember Trump’s time, it’s safe and no one dare to stay or fuck around at the border. Because they know there is no way to get over that border.

People are qualified for asylum in America, that does not mean they have rights as Americans, but they do have rights as they are in their country except you want to analyze how bad their country but… why should not we help their countries instead of helping them in America.

All people stay there regardless they are qualified or not, but they are still in there for a reason (because in conspiracy, leftists must promise some way for them to pass.) Furthermore, they get that benefit because they stay at the border, America does not invite them so why should we give them a resource to leave when they don’t want to leave in the beginning. In another hand, just say that they pass that approval to apply asylum. They can choose states having higher rates of approving that asylum, but they choose a state which they obviously know how that state looks like before they go and station there (it’s more than a thousand miles to move from Texas or California to Florida at least.)

[Agape93]

Send them to places that actually want them and can actually get jobs and citizenship

[Asker]

I like your propose but they come to Florida and Texas for a reason, not just living in there then get kicking out.

[Asker]

Who know their purposes 😂 political or just simply a better life than those blue expensive states. I can’t conspire since it’s no clue for that.

[Anonymous]

why should we help? they are also illegal. another thing, it's not that great in america, there are way too many rose colored glasses. they won't be able to afford shit. no more free hand outs. that's why we're in this inflation mess in the first place. because of "trying to help". fuck that.

[Opinion Owner]

also, most of them don't speak English. how far do they expect to get?

[Asker]

🥲 I am that not knowing English before I come here (I am not hispanic/latinos though). I learn English, vow to the military and currently I am trying to propose things are harming to America’s legacy, a red one in some term if you see what i am trying to do here.
In my old country from the East, we didn’t get much money to pay a tuition for learning English (but the communists in my own country does because they are rich asf, so so far they satisfy about knowing English.) If comparing, it’s like we are normal people, my family is middle class, having own business, make approximately $1000/month (our currency money is very inflating) while those communists made much more. The tuition is $400/month no delay to pay so it does not give much choice for us.

[loveslongnails]

Bring water to the desert, build farms, build towns around them, and give them jobs. Oh, but first you have build desalinization plants off the Pacific Coast (this would be a far more useful idea than building an oil pipeline) and pump it over to Arizona and New Mexico. Las Vegas was nothing but desert at one time, so it can be done.

[Sargentcaptain]

> What should we do to help illegal immigrants?

Point them towards the exit sign and kick their asses the fuck out.

[Fuentes]

LOL!!!

[nawtee_me]

Give them the paperwork to fill out and do it legally... That is the best help you can give them, to make the a legal citizen...

[Asker]

We can’t. They are no long having their verified proof of their own countries which make their lying possible. Furthermore, that’s unfair for people who do a lot of things to maintain a good shape for immigration, wait more than 10 years to become Americans. Some of them live in worse country. I originate from a worse country than those South countries for sure which is just better than a couple Middle East countries which are in religious war and African countries.

[exitseven]

Give them a "How To guide for American citizenship", put them on a bus and ship them back.

[Anonymous]

I think we should greet them at the border with guns, and turn them right the fuck around. 😀

[Asker]

There is no certain law for us to greet them either. Going over a border with no legal right is obviously illegal and in invasive term when they become a part of U. S. Citizenship later.

[Anonymous]

Send them to the leftits who are soo pro immigrants.

[Asker]

Yeah republicans have done it, so they can not quickly pick their mask up and play a fake morality game anymore haha.