i would say 18 which i also feel the drinking age should be 18 because if someone is risking their life in the military fighting for the US they should at least have the right to access of an adult beverage
After your update: I wouldn't mind a 16 year old that works and pays taxes voting. I start to have a problem with some kid that 24 and hasn't done shit with their life other than school while living off a Mommy and Daddy scholarship fund.
For example... Biden promising to eliminate college debt even though he himself said it's probably unconstitutional... the kid doesn't understand it's a lie. Doesn't understand that social programs that "help" people or bigger government that costs more $$$ will mean less returned on your yearly tax return and most likely going to end up paying other sorts of taxes even more... like sales tax. They don't understand that some check of some frivolous almost useless amount as buy-your-vote money is going to be money printed out of thin air and increase inflation. We all know them... the people that don't understand anything about economics or politics and can't even manage to keep themselves out of debt. They studied really hard for some liberal arts degree because they're going to dance dance dance or tell you how bad white males are... the people that wouldn't vote before because they're too lazy, but now it gets mailed to them and they can fill it out and pop it in the mailbox. I really really (I mean really) hate having to suffer under what they vote for. Sorry for the rant... I'm going to go pay more taxes now.
@JHNS98 I wanted to mention how something like sales or property tax doesn't really affect the rich as much as it does someone that lives month to month. Get enough money there is tax loopholes like buying expensive assets or making "donations". Nothing in more irritating than seeing rich people wear clothes that say "eat the rich." I mean damn... talk about duplicitous right?
The way things are makes me feel black pilled af lately... honestly really feel we're in a long slow decline in a race to the bottom... unless I move to Texas or Florida đ
@JHNS98 For instance... you know that if you can prove you have such and such amount of money in the bank... you don't even have to pay for car insurance? There are so many little loopholes and things rich people just don't have to worry about. Payment breaks out the wazoo.
@JHNS98 It's something most Americans don't even know unless they happen to have that type of money or took similar college classes that I have. I have no idea what it's like in Sweden and would expect the same vice versa. I would assume pretty much every government is set up with plenty of ways to cater to the rich though. Just going through the required courses for my accounting degree here exposed a bunch of financial exploits here in America that I would have never guessed existed otherwise. Little crafty tricks like writing "paid in full" on a check that only pays a small amount of the total sum, then if they cash that check, you can take them to court and claim the payment was settled. <--fucked up stuff like that. Imagine a normie that's worked their entire life to buy an investment property to sell and that dirty little trick got played on them.
Even I was very naive at 17, and I advocated and did things that were really quite unwise and poorly considered.
The truth is your brain doesn't finish developing until around 25, prior to that your working with an incomplete system one specifically programed to be more accepting and trusting of what your told in the interest of better learning under the presumption you are only in contact with the small group of people who have an interest in your well-being.
This makes you a great candidate for the military in being more easily talked into charging a machine gun nest. However it also makes you a poor candidate for voting in a democracy, as your just as easily swayed by dishonest politicians into acting as much against your interest.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy The fact that many people can have questionable judgement at any age is not an argument for or against a voting age but rather against voting in general.
The question of when a person ceases to be a child is very much a question of the definition of child. For the sake of argument and relevant to the subject of voting lets say that definition is when a person is intellectually developed.
I have asserted that their brain does not finish development until around 25. Thus all other things being equal 25 is the final measurable point by which most people have finally stopped developing.
It does not mean a person is fully mature and has good judgement at that age nor any age after or before, simply that is the best measurable line upon which I suggest we would best put the voting age.
Regardless every year thereafter a larger share of the population will have better judgement resulting from greater wisdom of said experiences. Just as every year before will include a less and less intellectually developed and wise population.
25 is indeed roughly when your brain finishes physically developing.
What is silly about picking that as the best measurable place to draw the line of intellectual maturity for humans?
How is desire a relevant consideration for when a person should be trusted with power? Children desire candy at every age should that desire entitle them to a vote in whether they have it? Teenagers desire careless sex and danger should that desire entire them a vote in having it? Both desire to skip school and play games all day, should that desire entitle them to a vote in doing so?
If so I think you will find their immaturity, and inexperience will lead to such poor choices very much ruining their lives before they ever had a chance to live them. This is your job as a parent to protect them by denying them said choice.
Letting them wield power over others only makes their poor and impressionable judgement even more dangerous.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy They have the dominate say in their future regardless of their vote to effect every one else's future.
As the trillion in student dept much of which owed to students who never even graduate or did so with degrees for which there are no jobs. Obviously their judgement has not much improved in their collage years.
far too many people are allowed to vote In the US who risk nothing when they inevitably Make poor financial or military decisions which do not impact them in any way.
The reason you have to have a certain amount of property to be allowed to vote in any other democracy is because The landowners are the ones who put on body armor and pick up a weapon and go defend it in war. The landowners are the ones whose taxes fund all the programs.
Morally if the laws effect you than you should have the right to vote. But Iâm satisfied with 18. Also wouldnât be apposed to if youâre paying taxes I was from a very young age. Sales tax⌠12 with a paper route.
About 25-26, or when the frontal lobes of the cerebral cortex finally mature. Interesting to note that this is the age when the cost of car insurance drops a few notches, like, maybe somebody is starting to USE their brain by that time.
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This argument is often paired with 12 year olds being tried as adults. Why canât they vote as one? Personally I think both are too soon. But 16 seems a good spot. Younger gens are getting more mature and smarter as tech grows, etc.
if at the age of three you buy a piece of gum you have paid taxes. Not an age to be voting. 18 was made with the argument that if you were old enough to go fight in a what you were old enough to vote.
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i would say 18 which i also feel the drinking age should be 18 because if someone is risking their life in the military fighting for the US they should at least have the right to access of an adult beverage
Drinking age should be 18 to. If your old enough to fight for your country, your old enough to drink booze
I think if you're paying taxes you should have a say.
After your update: I wouldn't mind a 16 year old that works and pays taxes voting. I start to have a problem with some kid that 24 and hasn't done shit with their life other than school while living off a Mommy and Daddy scholarship fund.
For example... Biden promising to eliminate college debt even though he himself said it's probably unconstitutional... the kid doesn't understand it's a lie. Doesn't understand that social programs that "help" people or bigger government that costs more $$$ will mean less returned on your yearly tax return and most likely going to end up paying other sorts of taxes even more... like sales tax. They don't understand that some check of some frivolous almost useless amount as buy-your-vote money is going to be money printed out of thin air and increase inflation. We all know them... the people that don't understand anything about economics or politics and can't even manage to keep themselves out of debt. They studied really hard for some liberal arts degree because they're going to dance dance dance or tell you how bad white males are... the people that wouldn't vote before because they're too lazy, but now it gets mailed to them and they can fill it out and pop it in the mailbox. I really really (I mean really) hate having to suffer under what they vote for. Sorry for the rant... I'm going to go pay more taxes now.
That would exclude the wealthiest, who own the politicians anyway... So how does that work? (Yes, we call it "donations", but it is corruption)
@JHNS98 I wanted to mention how something like sales or property tax doesn't really affect the rich as much as it does someone that lives month to month. Get enough money there is tax loopholes like buying expensive assets or making "donations". Nothing in more irritating than seeing rich people wear clothes that say "eat the rich." I mean damn... talk about duplicitous right?
The way things are makes me feel black pilled af lately... honestly really feel we're in a long slow decline in a race to the bottom... unless I move to Texas or Florida đ
@JHNS98 For instance... you know that if you can prove you have such and such amount of money in the bank... you don't even have to pay for car insurance? There are so many little loopholes and things rich people just don't have to worry about. Payment breaks out the wazoo.
I didn't know about the car insurance thing, because I don't know US insurance law and that clause does most likely not exist in Sweden where I live.
@JHNS98 It's something most Americans don't even know unless they happen to have that type of money or took similar college classes that I have. I have no idea what it's like in Sweden and would expect the same vice versa. I would assume pretty much every government is set up with plenty of ways to cater to the rich though. Just going through the required courses for my accounting degree here exposed a bunch of financial exploits here in America that I would have never guessed existed otherwise. Little crafty tricks like writing "paid in full" on a check that only pays a small amount of the total sum, then if they cash that check, you can take them to court and claim the payment was settled. <--fucked up stuff like that. Imagine a normie that's worked their entire life to buy an investment property to sell and that dirty little trick got played on them.
Only those that work, pay taxes, US citizen and at least 18 years old.
21 years oldâŚfirst real life job has been secured and z paycheck stub âźď¸
At 17 years old is old enough to understand politics and decide what kind of future and country you desire to live in.
Even I was very naive at 17, and I advocated and did things that were really quite unwise and poorly considered.
The truth is your brain doesn't finish developing until around 25, prior to that your working with an incomplete system one specifically programed to be more accepting and trusting of what your told in the interest of better learning under the presumption you are only in contact with the small group of people who have an interest in your well-being.
This makes you a great candidate for the military in being more easily talked into charging a machine gun nest. However it also makes you a poor candidate for voting in a democracy, as your just as easily swayed by dishonest politicians into acting as much against your interest.
@monorprise: Bunch of 30, 40 and 50 years morons vote.
Age doesn't necessarily makes one wise nor smart.
At 17 years old, you're not a child anymore.
Problem in this country we like to treat older teens as children and that keeps them from maturing into adults.
*years old
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy The fact that many people can have questionable judgement at any age is not an argument for or against a voting age but rather against voting in general.
The question of when a person ceases to be a child is very much a question of the definition of child. For the sake of argument and relevant to the subject of voting lets say that definition is when a person is intellectually developed.
I have asserted that their brain does not finish development until around 25. Thus all other things being equal 25 is the final measurable point by which most people have finally stopped developing.
It does not mean a person is fully mature and has good judgement at that age nor any age after or before, simply that is the best measurable line upon which I suggest we would best put the voting age.
Regardless every year thereafter a larger share of the population will have better judgement resulting from greater wisdom of said experiences. Just as every year before will include a less and less intellectually developed and wise population.
@monorprise: Your argument is silly. 25 years old is when the brain fully develops?
The hell that has to do with anything on how one desires their country to be in the future?
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy What do you find silly about the argument?
25 is indeed roughly when your brain finishes physically developing.
What is silly about picking that as the best measurable place to draw the line of intellectual maturity for humans?
How is desire a relevant consideration for when a person should be trusted with power?
Children desire candy at every age should that desire entitle them to a vote in whether they have it?
Teenagers desire careless sex and danger should that desire entire them a vote in having it?
Both desire to skip school and play games all day, should that desire entitle them to a vote in doing so?
If so I think you will find their immaturity, and inexperience will lead to such poor choices very much ruining their lives before they ever had a chance to live them. This is your job as a parent to protect them by denying them said choice.
Letting them wield power over others only makes their poor and impressionable judgement even more dangerous.
@monorprise: Problem is at 18 they are legal adults and have to look out for themselves.
17 is the right age for them to have a say in their future.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy They have the dominate say in their future regardless of their vote to effect every one else's future.
As the trillion in student dept much of which owed to students who never even graduate or did so with degrees for which there are no jobs. Obviously their judgement has not much improved in their collage years.
I think you should be able to buy alcohol at 18 to.
far too many people are allowed to vote In the US who risk nothing when they inevitably Make poor financial or military decisions which do not impact them in any way.
The reason you have to have a certain amount of property to be allowed to vote in any other democracy is because The landowners are the ones who put on body armor and pick up a weapon and go defend it in war. The landowners are the ones whose taxes fund all the programs.
16. Same age as you can drive a car
Morally if the laws effect you than you should have the right to vote. But Iâm satisfied with 18.
Also wouldnât be apposed to if youâre paying taxes I was from a very young age. Sales tax⌠12 with a paper route.
About 25-26, or when the frontal lobes of the cerebral cortex finally mature. Interesting to note that this is the age when the cost of car insurance drops a few notches, like, maybe somebody is starting to USE their brain by that time.
They need to be 30 and know the candidates, watch all of the debates and lookup statistics for how the country is going under their leadership
I voted for 20. At 18, you're just out of school and don't really know the world yet.
If 18 is good enough for you to die for your country, it's good enough for you to vote.
25. The age when your critical thinking brain has fully developed
This argument is often paired with 12 year olds being tried as adults. Why canât they vote as one? Personally I think both are too soon. But 16 seems a good spot. Younger gens are getting more mature and smarter as tech grows, etc.
if at the age of three you buy a piece of gum you have paid taxes. Not an age to be voting. 18 was made with the argument that if you were old enough to go fight in a what you were old enough to vote.
a war, not a what*
25 should be the voting age in all states, just like buying alcohol and other tobacco products
I think if youâre old enough to die for your country, you should be allowed to vote
Young people don't know anything. They shouldn't be allowed to vote till 25.
Look at how manipulated Gen Z are. Full of absolutely nonsense and don't know basic questions