Mike Pence calling Donald Trump reckless, what are your thoughts? Do you agree or disagree?

[Lucy68]

[Surely]

You can call Trump whatever you want. But everything that he did was for the good of the USA. The country was in a whole lot better condition then it has been since he left office. Rocket man and Putin were behaving themselves and China respected him as the president!
For those of you that don’t remember. Biden was in politics when he helped hold the door open for business to leave the US. While they taxed and regulated them out of the country! Now he wants credit for bringing them back!

[holdem4884]

Everything Trump has ever done, has been for his own good. He doesn't give a shit about anyone else. Pull you head out of your ass

[Surely]

@holdem4884 People like you need to get your nose out of Orange Man’s excrement ejection orifice. Move out of mommy and daddy’s basement. Get a real job. Stop holding your hand out for “not so free money “ from the other working taxpayers.
If your life has been better the last two years. Than in the four years before. Then I am happy for you..
But you could use a little respect when you make statements like you have on here.

[KayMay]

I agree with you 100%.

[holdem4884]

Respect is earned. If you leave a comment demonstrating palpable ignorance it's not going to garner my respect.

You must be confused, my head has clearly never been near Trump's disgusting behind.

Mommy and Daddy's basement? Homeowner living on many acres. Real job? Healthcare profession count for you? Government money? Unlike your false idol Trump who relies on it, I make my own way. Try again and maybe don't fail so hard next time...

[UCrayCray]

@Surely
Im sorry, but that’s funny. 🤣😂
“Move out of mommy and daddy’s basement.”
“Get a real job.”
“Stop holding your hand out for “not so free money.”
But then you end with…
“But you could use a little respect when you make statements like you have on here”
LMAO….. what?
Maybe, if you’re lucky, Santa will bring you a mirror for Christmas.

[UCrayCray]

@holdem4884
Isn’t it funny how all the insults from these guys are exactly the same?
“You’re a basement dwelling, welfare receiving, drain on society if you don’t agree with me.”
Sadly he left out the tried and true “CNN does all your thinking for you” and “Trump lives rent free in your head.”

Give it time
It will come
😂🤣😂🤣

[holdem4884]

@UCrayCray Yeah, he Surely embraces logical fallacy over rational argumentation.

This guy has Surely been so thoroughly indoctrinated with right wing propaganda that he can no longer think for himself. His mind is now devoid of creative thought, he can only regurgitate the lame tropes conservative media has left him conditioned to respond with.

You're mirror idea is fantastic!

[Carhartt]

And everything Biden has done, is a benefit to China. China really must have a lot of dirt on the Biden crime family.

[Surely]

@holdem4884 just like my head would never reach my ass! As a “wise? “ person said. “Respect is earned.” Try earning some! So don’t throw the first stone!

[Surely]

@holdem4884 @Ucraycray. Why is it when you nice people can’t answer a simple question.. Do you think that your life is better today than a half decade ago? Explain, please!

[loveslongnails]

FYI, EVERYONE in Congress opened that door, Dems and Repubs alike. This is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard - " But everything that he did was for the good of the USA." Holy shit. You know absolutely nothing about Trump, do you?

[Dargil]

@holdem4884 Nonsense. Your ignorance is astonishing.

[loveslongnails]

The entire world is facing a certain decline and issues heretofore unknow, yet you want to somehow say "life is better when we had Trump"? Dargil is correct - your ignorance is astonishing.

[holdem4884]

@Dargil You may find me to be many things but ignorant won't make the list. Please expound so I can properly dissect your feebel mind

[loveslongnails]

@holdem4884 Dude, you have a picture of Trump as your profile choice. You win when it comes to having a feeble mind since you can't discern what he really is, has done and represents. As the great Will Rogers once said: "Everyone is ignorant, only on different subjects". The fact that you don't realize this merely proves his point. We are all ignorant about many things - Trump is one of yours, and that's what I meant.

[holdem4884]

@loveslongnails My profile picture is of Trump looking like a fool.

A quote from Napoleon is particularly apt for Trump and his acolytes such as yourself, "In politics, stupidity is not a handicap."

I've discerned all to well what he really is, a narcissistic idiot who hasn't accomplished anything of value without screwing over other people.

Trump represents the worst of humanity, he's vile, bigoted, selfish, immature, and morally bankrupt.

[loveslongnails]

@holdem4884 I agree with all of that. If I got confused with the thread, my apologies. He's all of that and worse. My point goes back to Congress allowing all and any tax breaks and encouragement for business to manufacture anywhere and import. It was the whole of Congress, not one party, that supported it. The USA really can't compete with the cheap or slave labor of countries in Asia, or like China and Mexico, for most manufactured goods.

[holdem4884]

@loveslongnails Cheers!

[Cubus]

Trump is reckless

[pers0n]

Both are women.

[Cubus]

Thank you for Most Helpful

[Lucy68]

You're welcome

[abc3643]

Yes, Trump was ridiculous in public and irresponsible.
Privately, somewhat less so, but still.

Pence's new book is fascinating.
===

This is from a New York Times article recalling excerpts from the book.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/09/us/politics/pence-trump-jan-6.html

TITLE: In New Book, Pence Reflects on Trump and Jan. 6
SUBTITLE: “You’re too honest,” President Donald J. Trump said as he pressured his vice president to intervene to block Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory.

By Maggie Haberman
Nov. 9, 2022

Former President Donald J. Trump told Mike Pence that he was “too honest” when he balked at the idea he could unilaterally sway the outcome of the 2020 election as Mr. Trump mounted an intense pressure campaign to bend Mr. Pence to his will, the former vice president writes in his upcoming memoir.

In “So Help Me God,” to be published Tuesday, Mr. Pence offers not only his first extensive comments about his experiences with Mr. Trump after the election and during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack at the Capitol by a mob of Trump supporters, but also his first lengthy reflections on the 2016 campaign and the four years that followed.

Mr. Pence describes in detail Mr. Trump’s efforts to pressure him into blocking congressional certification of Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory through the ceremonial role he would play on Jan. 6. Mr. Trump became preoccupied with the idea that Mr. Pence could do something, although Mr. Pence’s chief lawyer had concluded that there was no legal authority for him to act on Mr. Trump’s behalf.

Former President Donald J. Trump told Mike Pence that he was “too honest” when he balked at the idea he could unilaterally sway the outcome of the 2020 election as Mr. Trump mounted an intense pressure campaign to bend Mr. Pence to his will, the former vice president writes in his upcoming memoir.

In “So Help Me God,” to be published Tuesday, Mr. Pence offers not only his first extensive comments about his experiences with Mr. Trump after the election and during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack at the Capitol by a mob of Trump supporters, but also his first lengthy reflections on the 2016 campaign and the four years that followed.

Mr. Pence describes in detail Mr. Trump’s efforts to pressure him into blocking congressional certification of Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory through the ceremonial role he would play on Jan. 6. Mr. Trump became preoccupied with the idea that Mr. Pence could do something, although Mr. Pence’s chief lawyer had concluded that there was no legal authority for him to act on Mr. Trump’s behalf.

The vice president also shares dramatic details about escaping the rioters who had entered the Capitol while he was presiding over the certification that day. He confirms that he refused to leave the building when his lead Secret Service agent, Tim Giebels, pushed for him to do so as protesters swarmed the building, some chanting “Hang Mike Pence.”

“I told my detail that I wasn’t leaving my post,” Mr. Pence writes. “Mr. Giebels pleaded for us to leave. The rioters had reached our floor. I pointed my finger at his chest and said: ‘You’re not hearing me, Tim. I’m not leaving! I’m not giving those people the sight of a 16-car motorcade speeding away from the Capitol.’”

When they went to an underground loading dock, Mr. Giebels tried getting Mr. Pence into a car just as a place to wait, but he declined.

Mr. Pence also confirms that Mr. Trump never reached out to him to check on his safety. But when Mr. Kushner and Ivanka Trump asked Mr. Pence to meet with Mr. Trump five days after the riot, he agreed.

“He looked tired, and his voice seemed more faint than usual,” Mr. Pence writes of Mr. Trump at that point.

“‘How are you?’ he began. ‘How are Karen and Charlotte?’”

Mr. Pence writes that he “replied tersely that we were fine” and told him that his wife and daughter had been at the Capitol on Jan. 6. “He responded with a hint of regret,” Mr. Pence recounts. “‘I just learned that.’ He then asked, ‘Were you scared?’”

Mr. Pence replied that he was angry: “You and I had our differences that day, Mr. President, and seeing those people tearing up the Capitol infuriated me.”

Mr. Trump began to protest that “people were angry, but his voice trailed off,” Mr. Pence writes, adding that he told Mr. Trump that he needed to let it go. “Yeah,” Mr. Trump replied quietly.

As they talked, Mr. Pence writes, Mr. Trump said “with genuine sadness in his voice”: “What if we hadn’t had the rally? What if they hadn’t gone to the Capitol?” He added, “It’s too terrible to end like this.”

Mr. Pence offers up views about key moments in the administration, such as relocating the U. S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, as well as the controversy over Mr. Trump’s remarks regarding the march of white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va.

He defended Mr. Trump, insisting that he thought the criticisms had been unfair. “Donald Trump is not antisemitic,” Mr. Pence insists. “He’s not a racist or a bigot. I would not have been his vice president if he was.”

He also writes admiringly about Mr. Kushner and John Kelly, the second White House chief of staff, who he said brought a sense of order to the West Wing. However, he had much harsher words for Mark Meadows, the final chief of staff to Mr. Trump, who has been a focus of some of the investigations into what led to the Capitol riot.

“In the waning days of the administration, one of his successors, Mark Meadows, a congressman from North Carolina, would fling the doors to the Oval Office wide open, allowing people in who should not even have set foot on the White House grounds, let alone have access to Trump,” Mr. Pence writes.

[goaded]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0tkU_9UULw

[Quigly]

Reckless and irresponsible is the NIH funding a bioweapon to attack people and influence the outcome of an election.

Pence caused Jan 6
Sending the election back to the states was well within Mike Pence power.
HE LIED and was CAUGHT LYING.
This is what sowed doubts about election legitimacy.

Jan 6 is Mike Pence fault.

[goaded]

@Quigly FFS, Pence was handed the votes that had already been cast in December and his job was to count them. There could be objections to individual states' votes from congressional members, but they had to be supported by both a Senator and a Representative, and voted on. He was not in a position to just throw some state's results out, which is what Trump wanted him to do. Not even if Trump supporters had forged official documents designed to disrupt the process. Trump's last-ditch attempt to steal the presidency was to stage an armed attack on the Capitol and stop the count at all costs.

[Quigly]

@goaded He had the authority to send it back to the states and he lied by saying he didn't.

You're making up stories about throwing out votes to muddy the conversation cause you are a FRAUD, like Mike Pence.

[goaded]

@Quigly Nope, congress had that right, not him.

[Quigly]

@goaded You're a Fraud.

[abc3643]

@Quigly Actually, he didn't.
John Eastman is the one who hatched this plan and even he said - in email - that it would likely be turned over by a unanimous Supreme Court.

From the article below, in particular, this statement from Eastman is telling:

"The hearing ended with an explosive revelation: The committee displayed an email in which Eastman wrote, “I should be on the pardon list, if that is still in the works.” Eastman asserted his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination 100 times during his deposition, Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-Calif.) said."

Excerpts from a LawAndCrime. com article...
lawandcrime.com/.../

Pence Lawyer Says John Eastman Admitted His Plan to Overturn Election Would Lose 9-0 at Supreme Court
ADAM KLASFELD AND MARISA SARNOFF
Jun 16th, 2022, 3:42 pm

Former President Donald Trump’s lawyer who helped conceptualize the pressure campaign pushing Mike Pence to delay the certification of Joe Biden’s victory didn’t believe in his own theory and knew it would fail 9-0 if it ever went to the Supreme Court, the former vice president’s lawyer testified on Thursday.

“He initially started, ‘Well, maybe you’d only lose seven-to-two,’ but ultimately acknowledged that ‘No, we would lose 9-0,'” Pence’s attorney Greg Jacob testified during the Jan. 6 Committee’s third hearing, referring to his conversation with Trump’s lawyer John Eastman. “No judge would support his argument.”

The author of the so-called “coup memo,” Eastman was one of the speakers at Trump’s rally at the Ellipse on Jan. 6. Eastman and Rudy Giuliani both pushed the theory that Pence could reject the certification of Biden’s election. Jacob resisted this plan and blamed Eastman’s theory for the Jan. 6 attack on the U. S. Capitol.

“[T]hanks to your bullshit, we’re now under siege,” Jacob wrote in a blistering email to Eastman on Jan. 6 at 12:14 p. m.
...
(more)

[abc3643]

Jacob said that he walked Eastman through the multiple reasons why the Constitution wouldn’t support Eastman’s approach. Eastman apparently tried to push back, making, among other arguments, a historical argument that Thomas Jefferson had asserted that the Vice President did have the authority to reject electors.

“[Eastman] had acknowledged by the end that there was no historical practice whatsoever that supported his position,” Jacob said.
...
Jacob noted that state legislatures, as well as Republican leaders, had already put out statements saying that they had no intention of reversing the outcome of the election.

“No state had any legislative house that indicated they had any interest in it,” Jacob said.
...
“I asked John: can’t we both agree this is a terrible idea?” Jacob said. “He said he couldn’t quite get himself to say that, [but] he said I can see we’re not going to be able to do this.”

The hearing ended with an explosive revelation: The committee displayed an email in which Eastman wrote, “I should be on the pardon list, if that is still in the works.” Eastman asserted his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination 100 times during his deposition, Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-Calif.) said.

[Quigly]

Pence said he didn't have the Authority <<<<Pence was caught lying.
He did have the authority

This is what caused Jan 6

[abc3643]

@Quigly Son, I am sorry for you, but the facts negate what you believe.

[Quigly]

Your Network has never reported a fact. You're institutional fraud that wants to repeat lies over and over.

[abc3643]

@Quigly Keep living in fantasyland.

However, I will simply say this because you are young and you need to learn this lesson before The School of Hard Knocks violently teaches you it:

>>> Nature is merciless and does not give a rat's ass about your feelings or what you believe or anything else about you or anyone else. You cannot negotiate with Nature. It says "These are the facts - this is reality. Deal with it. If you don't like it, tough shit."

So, as long as you continue to live in a fantasy land that is not reality, it is only a matter of time before life and Nature bitch-slap you into reality or outright kill you.

That's what the January 6th rioters in prison have learned.

[goaded]

@Quigly OK, let's say he did have the authority, who brought the violent mob to DC, and why?

[holdem4884]

@Quigly You are such a stooge. I'm sorry that wasn't correct, you're an intellectually vacuous no talent ass clown.

The Vice President doesn't have that authority.

Congress is about to pass bipartisan legislation affirming exactly that just to make things extra clear for fascist loving degenerates like you.

[Quigly]

@goaded They drove themselves to the rally.

[Quigly]

@holdem4884 Repeat the lie over and over

[Quigly]

Corporations sell fiction, Like Disneyland and ABC.

[goaded]

@Quigly "[The violent mob] drove themselves to the rally" Whose rally? Why were they there? Why were they armed? Why did they attack the Capitol?

While we're at it, who paid for the buses that brought hundreds?

[xColinx]

Zang. You son'd the poor fella. It was obviously well deserved, but still.

[loveslongnails]

Mike Pence - Captain Obvious? A second grader would know that. Took him 6 years to grow a pair and they're still not fully developed! LOL

I don't know HOW Pence put up with the shit Trump threw at him. Has he no self-respect or dignity? I would wage that if Pence had stood up and told publicly told Trump to stop lying, to stop telling him to overturn a legal vote and basically to shut the fuck up, he'd have been a lock for the 2024 nomination. Instead, he chose to let himself get beat up by a whiny bitch and he looks just as weak as he ever did.

[Lucy68]

He has a book coming out soon talking about his personal experiences and how they've affected him

[loveslongnails]

Yes, I'm aware of that, but that's a big "so what" for me. He had a real chance to stand up and do the right thing but the only thing he actually DID do was follow the law in the end. However it all affected him personally, I don't understand what kind of man would allow himself to be used like that.

[tfan1]

President Donald J Trump rules! He’s not wreckless, and he kept his promises to this country, he made amazing history, gas was low, stock market was high, everyone had jobs or nearly everyone, economy was booming, and the United States 🇺🇸 had respect from other countries finally. The evil demonic rats will do ANYTHING to keep their chokehold on us and keep from losing their power.

[holdem4884]

Kept his promises, eh? How about repealing Obamacare? Building a wall across the southern border AND forcing Mexico to pay for it? He hammered those promises hundreds of times. No foreign country respects him, he's a man-child acting as a clown on his BEST days.

[Adaeva]

I was too young to remember Trump. However, since I have read dozens of articles so I think I know what Trump was. And, that is just another example of how stupid Trump was. Alone with Pence, most everyone Trump selected were statist and swamp creatures. Whatever his intent, Trump was much like Hillary would have been.

[fembotnpc777]

If this was about Trumps words to get folks to storm the White House, I would agree. Of course, Pence, like any other politician, just wants to talk about himself. It doesn't even pass through his thought process that maybe no one cares if Trump spoke recklessly to him and hurt his little boomer feelings. All politicians are narcissists and use narcissistic logic.

[purplepoppy]

Now Trump is finished, yesterday's man, only capable of delighting savages I think we're going to see a lot more high ranking Republicans wanting to stick the knife in and distance themselves from trump and his lowbrow mob.

[goaded]

Oh, I want him to stick around. He could still split the Republican vote in 2024, especially now more right-leaning voters want DeSantis to run than Trump.

24. Who would you rather see as the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Ron DeSantis. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23%
Donald Trump. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20%
Neither. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 41%
Not sure. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16%

[bean2k21]

He majored in Economics at the Wharton School of Business, so I guess you would consider a highbrow as who? Someone skilled at baking Christmas cookies?

[purplepoppy]

Did his daddy buy it for him

[DryGermanGuy]

I guess I really like Mike‘s restraint! 😂 Me, I would have punched Donnie‘s lights out.

[goaded]

I'd have reported Trump's crimes to the DoJ before they came to a head.

[Quigly]

You bring fake news to the table?
You can't do any better than that?
Lame

[holdem4884]

@Quigly Lights on moron. Pull your head out of the ground. Nothing fake about it

[Quigly]

@holdem4884 You're a gaslighting fraud.

[holdem4884]

@Quigly You are really sharp. Come across words in the news put them together and regurgitate. Wow, my intellectual idol... how did you become so incredibly stupid, I mean intelligent?

[Quigly]

@holdem4884 Words in the news? You mean English?

Try to make sense in your next comment, you failed in that one.

[holdem4884]

@Quigly How simple do I need to make this for your feeble mind?

So you don't read, I'm not surprised. Worse still, you simply hear words like "fraud" or "gaslight", they get stuck in your tiny brain and you put them together in a comment as if you are saying something insightful, whitty, accurate, or novel. You score nothing

[Agape93]

Saying he's reckless is like you saying I have a minor irritation problem. It's a massive understatement

[Filthy_Immigrant]

he's a fucking hypocrite and doesn't have the balls to be a vice president ever again.

in times like this when our country is being run by corrupted losers that want nothing but to see this country sink below ground you literally have no choince but to be reckless

[AngryCarl]

Pence is the master of understatement lol. Considering Trump tried to get him hanged. They had the gallows set up and everything, one guy had cable ties to restrain him while they tied the noose around his neck. Poor Mike Pence, even his fellow right-wing lunatics hate him.

[MCheetah]

Who gives a F what Mike Pence thinks? Like seriously; who cares about Pence?

[pers0n]

They're all a bunch of pussies showing masonic handsigns day and night. Married to men. They're not worth playing along to their pronouns. Just call michelle pence a she.

[Rosexøxø]

He's reckless in his methods and speech, but it's more of a direct-chaotic/reckless way of maneuvering, in the areas/margins our government has followed 'til now.

He fits the saying: Method to the Madness.

[Rosexøxø]

I don't think it's a coincidence, but it is a pleasant surprise, that many of the allies and those "mentored" by trump, have now revoked their verbal alliance with/to him.

Definitely something worth noting.

[smølf]

Trump is a traitor who deserves a traitor's punishment. Instead, the American people will elect him as president again. What a bunch of idiots, taken for fools by a con man, and he may be right.

[lightbulb27]

yes, he's a good man and answered that well.

Trump has his viewpoint, he's entitled to it. Part of his problem... is his ego and he can't see it. It's humanity, we don't see ourselves.

[exitseven]

He says it like it is a bad thing. We could use a little reckless right about now.

[goaded]

Yes, let's all needlessly endanger other people.

[exitseven]

@goaded sometimes the only way to get things done is to be a little reckless Trump got more done in 4 years than any other president in modern times. This was not by accident. We had a president that had major wins in business and entertainment and he held the highest office in the country despite being a newcomer. And the only people he endangered were the Taliban, ISUS and illegal aliens. The drug cartels were not fans either and neither was North Korea and China.

[goaded]

You're describing what Musk has done to Twitter. Trump did nothing for the country, just for himself, and North Korea was a fan of his, just ask Trump! I'm looking forward to Trump running against Biden and DeSantis in 2024.

[exitseven]

@goaded we would be a lot better off now if President Trump was still in office. Nobody, not even a moonbat can argue with that.

[goaded]

LOL.

[holdem4884]

You're batshit crazy.

[TroyDT2]

Obviously scripted responses, or are we to believe that Pence was viewing Twitter when the Tangerine Tornado made the statement, as the response would imply?

Anyway, reckless? Probably. Derelict in his duties, definitely.

[Dargil]

Much as I like Trump, his time is up. He will become more feral as he ages. He will be too old for another term.

[Dargil]

But if Trump runs, he will win. If not DeSantis will win.

[SpringValley]

Gee... I wonder what Pence's motives are... could it be he's going to run against Trump in 2024?

[KayMay]

I hope and pray that Pence runs in 2024. He will fall faster than Rosie O'Donnell falling out of bed. (I stole that line from Trump)

[joeldalton]

Yes, I'm sure the war-mongering deep state does consider Trump reckless.