"I don't care how scared you are of a virus, what goes into my body is my decision" Agree?

[Juxtapose]

What is more important to you? The liberty of the individual or the supposed safety of the group?

Yes, bodily autonomy is important.

No, the fear of the group is more important than bodily autonomy.

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[Levin]

Well, I never got the 'China virus', despite doing a heavy public orientated role throughout the pandemic. And despite, get this, working; rather than sitting on my arse, claiming government handouts.

And all the people who alleged I'm a grandma killer, and were quintuple jabbed, ended up getting it about 4 times and being the spreaders, at least in my workplace.

Also, this is despite what we know now, that actually, the claims that these things stopped transmission were completely bogus and not based on any evidence, even from the start. Pfizer knew this before jabbing a good chunk of the world population, including innocent children. And that's not even starting on their highly questionable efficacy and safety.

Of course, what really should have happened, is that people shouldn't have been allowed to leave the house until their body fat percentages for men went below 15% and for women 25%. With no benefits and government handouts ie theft, from me.

40% of Americans are overweight and 66% are obese. Save for a few extremely rare and unlucky outliers, the vast majority of people who get sick have very poor lifestyle habits, even if they're within a healthy weight. @purplepoppy

[Avicenna]

Time for another Nuremberg Doctors’ Trials

[OddBeMe]

And your evidence?

[SpringValley]

Imagine, if you will, a virus so horrific that you have to get a test to see if you even have it.

Imagine, if you will, a virus so safe and tested, that the government has to force you to take it.

I saw a horrible news story yesterday, it was about a young woman who got the jab, and now she is nearly blind and will never be able to have a baby.
I want to see all of the three drug companies sued into oblivion and Fauci rotting in prison.

[SpringValley]

Correction: I meant a vaccine so safe and tested.

[SpringValley]

Thanks for the MHO. I can't believe that someone tried to sensor this question.

[purplepoppy]

The fact is I don't care, it's your choice just as it's my choice to take the vac. We both know the risks either way and neither of us cares if the other dies.

[Juxtapose]

I care if you die! Please don't fall into this nihilistic way of thinking where we do not care about our fellow men and women, we are on this planet together as brothers and sisters!

[oddwaffle]

Infectious disease is like this: either you get quarantine like they did hundreds of years ago or like in China or you get a vaccine.

Now the shittiest problem is that you aren't immune and still a carrier with the vaccine so you either ended up quarantining everyone or just let it ride.

Thankfully the vaccine stop people from going to the ER and eat up resources that could save someone who needs it.

If letting the unvaccinated (due to choice) die was legal then they should probably do it. There are too many people need savings than some jerks who couldn't be bothered to get a free vaccine.

[oddwaffle]

Just think about it. If someone liberty comes at the expense of my life or my family lives then I will probably try to shoot that someone first. I am obviously more important than that someone.

[Tenebrae_mentis]

Neither A or B. Bodily autonomy is important, sure, but to an extent. That extent being when it presents a clear and present danger to others. Fear is entirely irrelevant. All that matters are facts and the fact of the matter is that if you don't vaccinate, you and people who come into contact with you can become very ill, be permanently damaged, and/or die depending on the disease in question. Personally, I think it's your own business if you hurt or kill yourself. I'd prefer you didn't, but it's your body and thus your right. However, you do not have the right to hurt or kill other people and by refusing vaccination that is exactly what you're doing. So, if you're asking my opinion, you should either vaccinate or exit society. You can't have it both ways.

[Juxtapose]

That's disgusting propaganda based off of fear. You can't trust the government to mandate medicine, the shot for covid is actually more harmful for healthy person than covid itself and the government has lied so much about ivermectin and all kinds of other shit. The government should not have the authority to mandate anything like that because the government cannot be trusted.

Only an angel with absolute knowledge and absolute benevolence could be trusted to violate your bodily autonomy for your own good.

[Tenebrae_mentis]

Once again, fear is irrelevant. It's fact. Verifiable, proven fact. You can't trust one government, sure. But to say you can't trust any? Even when the entire world is in agreement? Even the governments that hate each other? Let's forget governments. How about doctors? They're all lying too? Let's forget doctors. Scientists. Them too? That level of paranoia is ridiculous. The impossible level of conspiracy is laughable. You're the one afraid and you're letting your unfounded fear distort your perception of reality.

There is no evidence to support your claim that the vaccine does more harm than the virus. 6.6 million people worldwide have died from covid so far. How many have died from the vaccine? When you're part of a society, the society comes first. Not you. If that is unacceptable to you, then exit society.

Who said anything about your own good? It's not for yours. It's for ours. Like I said, I don't care if you want to hurt or kill yourself. I care if you hurt or kill others. You shouldn't need a knowledgeable and benevolent angel to choose for you. You should be knowledgeable and benevolent yourself. You can start by looking out for the society you've chosen to be a part of.

[Juxtapose]

You don't find it at all strange that big pharma is profiting from this massively and hiding tons of information about their precious vaccines? How about how Dr. Fauci blatantly lied? These vaccines are experimental and the boosters are scam. What other shot have you had where you had to have boosters? Have you ever had to have boosters for your measles shot?

I have the right to tell the government no, I'm not going to let them inject something inside my body especially when they cannot be trusted. The CIA has experimented with mind control, the government has experimented on black people with syphilis, etc. If you blindly trust the government then you're a fool.

[Juxtapose]

Go ask the Jews how trusting the government went. For these corrupt doctors involved in this covid mess we need to have Nuremberg trials again.

[Juxtapose]

https://youtu.be/RaLxhFiOBYk

[Juxtapose]

And this latest shit they wanted us to take? It was tested on eight mice.

YOU are the test subject.

[HighValue]

I agree, but I still won't be satisfied until Fauci gets the death penalty. Along with any governor or company owners that mandated the poisonous covid vaccine.

[exitseven]

I will have complete autonomy over my own body. I got vaccinated but it was my choice.

[katiesmuff]

I voted A because yes you have that right, but should be a law your not allowed around any group of people anywhere in public at any time, employers can fire you without any other cause because you are a danger to other employee's, and medical facilities can refuse service for you.

[Daniela1982]

Well the government pulled the wool over your eyes. If you got vaccinated you are supposed to be immune. If you aren't than the vaccine isn't worth doo doo. And having to get boosters all the time is also doo doo. Just puts billions in Big Pharma's pockets as well as a passle of politicians. I never got vaccinated and have never had Covid. Nor has anyone in my family. This is why in the end times they will institute getting "the mark of the beast" on your forehead or right wrist. Without getting the mark you will not be able to buy or sell.

[KrakenAttackin]

Fuck you and your concentration camps.

[Juxtapose]

You're essentially saying I have the right to do what I want but I have to be a prisoner in my own home.. forever.

That's pretty fucked up.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Daniela1982 Agreed. In China everyone is given a QR code which determines what you can and cannot do, including restaurants and shops. You have to scan before entering and if the Gov decides you haven't been a good boy/girl you get red-lighted.

[Daniela1982]

@KrakenAttackin I never heard that before. Of course, China is so secretive there are a lot of things I've never heard about them.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Yes, bodily autonomy is important.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Bodily autonomy is important for the non infected, quarantine is important for the infected. Covid goes away after a few weeks.

[Juxtapose]

Freedom of movement and association is guaranteed by the constitution.

[TheSpaceGnome]

To a point, exceptions exist.

[slatyb]

Your choice. Others have the choice to not associate with you.

[pers0n]

No, I just know alternative medicine practitioners are all professional grandma killers.

[pers0n]

What did they flag it as? Offensive?

[shortster]

If you want state enforced safety go to prison. See how that works out for you.

[OddBeMe]

Yes but a community has a right to keep you out if you don’t accept its hygiene requirement. So unvax at home.

[Daniela1982]

Yeah, I see how they keep illegals and the related drug dealers, sex traffickers, and cartel members out. They don't accept the hygiene requirements either.

[Juxtapose]

What you are saying is untenable, you are saying I should be detained indefinitely at home.

[OddBeMe]

Actually you’re untenable! Lol, seriously tho. I’m saying a community has the right to require social standards. What you’re asking for is ultimate freedom which is impossible.

Don’t private businesses have the right to keep out unvaxxed people for safety reason? I can keep you out of my home. City hall and other municipal building definitely have that right. That’s society.

You can walk in the park and go home basically. Or a club for soon to be dead antivaxxers.

[OddBeMe]

@daniela1982 We actually do have laws against those people. Are you saying anti vaxxers are just like them?

[Daniela1982]

I'm saying Bite-on is letting all these miscreants in to do whatever they want. What they really want is to control the population so they can roll in their own agendas, such as a cashless society and the fake green deal. For all anyone knows they have mind control drugs in the vaccines. If they can't get people to take these poisons voluntarily they will make you one way or another. If you take the vaccine you are immune, right? So why do you care if someone doesn't want to take it? Does that make sense. This year everyone is in the hospital with the flu, or kids with vaccine causing heart problems.

[OddBeMe]

@Daniela1982 I didn’t know you were this crazy…they have pills that can stop these thoughts.

[Juxtapose]

"Don’t private businesses have the right to keep out unvaxxed people for safety reason?"

No they do not, they do not have the right to know your medical history.

You go have fun with your death shot that is so safe that vaccine injury data has to be court ordered for the CDC to release it lol.

[Daniela1982]

No, I'm saying you shouldn't have to stay at home at all. The Government just want to control your ass. How long has Covid been out now? Neither I, nor any of my family, has been vaccinated and none of us has had Covid. It's just a ration of bull pucky from dutiful suckers. After all, if they got vaccinated they are protected, right? So why worry about those who don't? It's their own fault if they get Covid and die. Most of those probably died from the Flu, not Covid.

[OddBeMe]

Wait, so a business doesn’t have the right

[OddBeMe]

to say what goes on in their private place of business? That’s strangely autocratic…

[OddBeMe]

And Daniela…yes the govt is trying to control the pandemic. That’s what we pay them for.

[Juxtapose]

I am actually in favor of heavily regulating businesses far more than they are now. I have four freedom for individuals but for businesses? They are sociopathic by nature and have to be heavily regulated and also thanks to technology they largely control the public square 🤷‍♂️

[Juxtapose]

Voice to text typo.

"I am for freedom for individuals"

[Juxtapose]

Businesses are already not given the same rights as people. They cannot discriminate against black people for instance while you yourself can tell black people to leave your home all you want.

[Daniela1982]

A business does not have the right to refuse to bake a gay wedding cake. They were driven out of business by lame gay protesters who are too stupid to just use another bakery or because they were pissed for not getting their way, so they played their gay card. So why does a business have the right to stop someone from using them?

[OddBeMe]

Actually Daniela, I think repub scotus said businesses can say no to gay weddings. That precedent was established.

A business can ask anyone to leave and even call the police to enforce it. I’d say a black person feels it was racist, they can bring it to court as often that happens.

And you being unvaxxed can bring it to court too. But legally, a business can demand vax cards if it wants to.

[Daniela1982]

Had you noticed that all the illegals Biden shipped around the US in the dead of night, that none of them were required to be vaccinated? Don't you think people from 3rd world countries would be the first to get vaccinations? Not on Biden's watch they didn't, the hypocrite.

[Juxtapose]

@Daniela1982 it's because it's never been about health as you know.

$$$ for big pharma. We should also hold Trump accountable for allowing Fauci to go wild for the first year based on faulty science.

[Wise4myage]

B Fauci is a lying troll.

[Daniela1982]

He said what they told him to say for money.

[anon1903]

Liberty.