Should math students be bothered with this?

[Juxtapose]

No anonymous opinions, you own what you say. If you come in with bullshit you will get bullshit.

Yes.

No.

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Interesting that the woke crowd refuses to be brave enough to justify their vote.

[Lliam]

It's an attempt to insert politics into every school subject and indoctrinate students. It's part of the woke left's broader social engineering agenda.

My question is, can the results of the test be used to profile students by rating their level of "racism"?

I think this is divisive and dangerous. Fuck wokeness.

[AngryCarl]

Of course not. If you're going to teach Critical Race Theory do it honestly. Don't try to sneak it in by the back door.

[RavVid]

First maths is being taught.

Second some basic visualization of data is being taught.

Third it is possible using basic bar charts to interpret data might be also being taught. Dunno about that - I am not aware of US education levels.

My major point is the kiddies should first understand what a bar chart is representing. If the data has some emotional context in it i would expect some children to react to that in different ways.

What i would want is for the little kiddies to immediately drop their eyes to the intersect of the axes and check if the intersect is zero. It is quite easy to produce a biased chart by using a non zero intersect. Stock prices typically do so - a graph might show an alarming drop but on a zero intersect look quite minor but a zero intersect is biased as well. If you are wanting to teach kiddies on interpreting graphs you should show them a series of graphs say one for last week, one for last month, one for last year etc.

It is better if it is an unemotive topic if you are teaching interpretation of graphs.

If it is an emotive topic such as racial biases categorized as say minor, bit more than minor, significant, major than the interpretation involves understanding how the data was classified.

Minor might be quite trivial. Bit more than minor might be very little different. Some might think significant is still pretty minor others not.

The problem here is stock prices is relatively unemotional whereas racial biases can be highly emotional. In the later case you are not really teaching data visualization and interpretation. and it is a maths subject

[goaded]

Honestly, I'd be more upset about their mapping 7 data points onto a polynomial than the accurate message that people have implicit biases.

[RavVid]

@goaded That's not good either.

[goaded]

I don't know, that one example may not be the best idea. Did anyone ask the students, their educators? Why weren't the panel members provided the materials in advance so that they could be prepared?

I'd rather educators were making the choices than politicians, especially politicians who write guidelines called things like "Benchmarks for Excellent Student Thinking".

Social–emotional learning has a fifty year history and appears to be successful in increasing empathy and educational attainment among students. No wonder Forida politicians don't like it.

I don't know how many textbooks Florida rejected, I'm guessing 25 out of 61 (closest I can easily find to 41%). Do you think he came up with the least controversial for his example, or the most?

The horrors of being expected to disagree respectfully!

Here's the bar graph they're talking about in the video:

https://flvoicenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/textbooks1.webp

[Juxtapose]

We don't need that stupid woke shit in American classrooms. Leave politics out of it.

[goaded]

Where's the politics in my example? What other examples were there of politics in those 25 books?

What exactly is "woke shit"? To me it sounds like empathy or common decency.

[Juxtapose]

Trying to measure and calculate some sort of implicit racial bias is woke shit that does not belong in math.

[Juxtapose]

If we're going to get politics in there we might as well have students calculate how many trans people de-transition and are traumatized, or calculate how 13% of the population commits most of the violent crimes and then draw some sort of racist conclusion off of that.

See how messy this can get? Let's stick to Susie counting how many apples there are.

[goaded]

I already tentatively agreed with you that it was a bad example, and on examination the example looks like bad maths as well as being an irrelevant example.

But since that's the example that's being touted as the reason something like 25 books were rejected, I'm willing to bet it was the worst example they could find.

I'm also willing to bet that at least some of the other 24 books were rejected for totally bogus reasons, against educational best practices. I mean, does it distract from the maths to see examples of mathematicians in your text book, for example, or does it help encourage students to study?

[goaded]

Did I say example enough in that first sentence? :)

[Juxtapose]

I don't really care about the extra details, I just know that political messaging does not belong in mathematics class.

[goaded]

It was actually maths 50 books that were rejected and all the others were from a single publisher, owned by Youngkin's Carlyle Group.

[WindAtMyBack]

I don't see why this needs to be in a math book. It's easy to say "it's just math". But it's obvious the purpose is not math, but a political statement.

You can apply math to almost anything. So you can place any political agenda in a book, call it math, then act all innocent. Sorry, I'm not buying it.

To make it clear. If Florida banned this book, I agree with it. As far as I'm concerned the publisher should be banned for some period for allow such BS to be published in their book.

Politics should be left completely out of it. Anyone who claims it's just math is making excuses.

[AviatorTom]

Math should not include any politics or social items. If we're going to allow CRT topics in math classes, then let's also include word problems like this...

John had sex with 27 women last year and 35 women this year. If this is a mathematical progression, how many women will he have sex with next year, and what is the probability thar he will get an STD if he doesn't use a condom?

Let's keep math as math!

[Perverted_Creep]

Did a black man just say he doesn't like racial wokeness in math books? He is a racist. And that woman agreeing with him should be discussed in all science textbooks published from now on.

[AngryCarl]

I actually find it reassuring that the black guy sees through the bs, but I feel like a racist for mentioning it.

[Perverted_Creep]

@AngryCarl ok let's call him a white lesbian.

[Anonymous]

If you are failing maths then you are failing regardless. I mean imagine you passed a maths degree or engineering degree because of woke equity nonsense.

[genericname85]

maths should be used to learn maths. not to be indoctrinated with political ideologies and views.

[es20490446e]

Let me do my math in peace.