After the most recent racist remarks by Whoopi Goldberg, Lebron James, Kyrie Irving, and Nick Cannon, is it more likely they are racist or just dumb?

[Weapon77]

The things they say can be disproven and picked apart logically by a 5th grader, so what is more likely? I'd like to think they are just dumb, arrogant celebrities who have been given too much attention, so they think they have to "enlighten" people. But lately I have to wonder if they are actually evil racists who are actively using their positions to spread racist propoganda.

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I'm including Kanye and other similar people in this too. I'd love to think they are just dumb, egotistic celebrities who think thwy are smarter than everyone, but I can't help but wonder if it's more malicious.

[RolandCuthbert]

I get that Whoopi Goldberg said the Jewish Holocaust wasn't about race. Which I don't think she understands. . ."race is essentially not about race at all". But what is "racist" about that? Or racist about anything Lebron said? I think we know and understand Kyrie Irving. He retweeted nonsense about "Blacks" being the original Jews.

But it is interesting that you left out Kanye West. Who is basically signed onto "White" supremacy, Nazis, and everything that is racist or anti-semitic.

I think Whoopi's statement is a lot more interesting in that there isn't a single racist living who can explain what race is. . . and what genetic qualifiers make for a single race. I think she probably meant phenotype. Which is merely a subjective standard for what race is. It isn't science. It is simply subjective opinion or racist mythology.

She doesn't get that race isn't about race. It is just a subjective opinion by racists about what groups are supposed to exist. It is bias that masquerades as an objective norm.

[Weapon77]

Thank you for reminding me that I meant to include Kanye and add "etc." since these are not the only examples. But yeah, with the stuff Kanye and the others say, I can't tell if they just are dumb and don't understand those complex concepts like you said, or if they are INTENTIONALLY misconstruing them for their own purposes. I hope theyre just dumb, arrogant celebrities, but I can help but wonder if they actually know exactly what they are saying and intentionally spread that crap.

[RolandCuthbert]

I dunno. Why does it matter? A racist is a racist. But you need consistent definition.

"a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"

Again, I don't see how anything that Lebron or Whoopie said is racist. I understand the charge thrown at Kyrie and Nick.

But Kanye has pretty much confessed to every racist view available. I don't think you can just blame his mental illness.

[Weapon77]

The reason I say what Lebron says is racist is because he defended Kyrie and said a lot of things where he used flowery language, but had a meaning that SEEMED racist. But that is definitely conjecture.

And Whoopi just said what she said before AGAIN, and I call it racist rather than ignorant this time because she already had to serve suspension, meet with a Holocaust suvivor, and was given more education, yet she just the other day said the same thing again, trying to minimalize what Hitler did. Otherwise, I'd just say it was her making an innocent mistake due to a lack of knowledge (like I thought was what happened when she said it last year).

[RolandCuthbert]

No, he didn't defend Kyrie. He asked why were the press in his face about Kyrie. . . but when it came to Jerry Jones there was no reaction. Jerry Jones literally blocked "Black" students from trying to attend his school. And gave some mushmouth explanation for his presence.

And Whoopi again is not a holocaust denier. She said that the Holocaust was not about "race". Which of course is wrong. People have been taught in American schools that race is real.

Race is fake. There is no such thing as a scientific standard for race. That is what makes her statement false. She claims there is no difference phenotypically between a Jewish German and a German who isn't Jewish.

But you can say the same thing about "White" people and "Black" people. What race is Mariah Carey, Meghan Markle, Blake Griffin, Jesse Williams, Alexis Belon, Nicole Richie, etc. . .

The statement makes nonsense, because she is taking the nonsensical standard American racists use and she tries to apply it in other societies, when it doesn't even make sense in America. Racists see things in a person's phenotype that we will never understand or see ourselves.



The point is that there isn't any objective standard a racist uses to group people by race. She like so many other millions of Americans need to realize. But I don't see that happening when we refuse to educate people on race and racism.

[Exterminatore]

Just a reminder. Everything is the fault of white people, the government, systematic racism, and slavery. A black person is never at fault for the situations they are in or the consequences of their decisions.



It is also impossible for a black person to be racist. We all know that it is white people, not blacks who are automatically born oppressors of all other races and also born racist.


Just wanted to reiterate that info as it’s all I’ve heard on the subjects of race and racism for about the last 5 years. In fact I’ve heard it so often it must be the gospel truth.


So, to sum it up black people = good. White people = bad.


Therefore it’s impossible those people you mentioned are racists, and if they were it would still be white peoples fault.

[Chris42001]

Nick Cannon has a history of saying racist things. I have a feeling that he has a lot of hate for White people.

[Weapon77]

I'm half joking, but I can't help but wonder if the reason he has a ton of children with various women is because he's trying to out compete white people for new births 😂 I mean, he's probably just a bit of a fuckboi, but who knows lmao

[Staximus]

I don't see why rich and famous people think they are some kind of authority on anything besides what made them rich and famous. Like Bill Gates the computer nerd suddenly thinks he's the world's authority on deadly viruses. Bunch of fucking idiots.

[PatriceONeal]

Dumb and therefor taught to be self loathing racist blacks. Owned by the DNC plantation voting at a whopping 94% in the black community. Nothing at all to be proud of and MLK would kill himself before leading modern blacks.

[Sasahara]

And what racist things have these people said? Did they claim you can't be black if you didn't vote for Biden? Or did they perhaps ask for race based hurricane aid?

[Weapon77]

Nope, even more racist than those 2 things! It was stuff like saying black people are tge real Jews, and the Holocaust wasn't about race... silly stuff that can only come from incredible hatred or incredible stupidity.

[Anonymous]

What they said is probably true, considering how triggered you are by it.

[Weapon77]

What does triggered mean? And am I actually triggered? I seem to have merely asked a question. Do you even know what they said? What logical grounds are there that they are true just because I asked a question about them? If you are just trying to troll, please mind your own business. But if you actually don't know what they said, I can tell you. It's antisemitic if that gives you any clue. Surely you aren't going to shame me for asking a question about them making anti-semitic remarks

[SmokinAces2000]

What racist remarks did the people you mentioned make?

[trina_x]

i think they're probably just a bit stupid

[Weapon77]

I sure hope so. It'd be sad if they are really that malicious/heartless to be anti-semitic, among other things.

[HanSwoloMode]

Both, most likely.