Why are you prolife/prochoice?

[Anonymous]

For those that are prochoice, I do have a genuine question for you. Prolifers believe that there is a baby alive in the womb. Prochoice often presumes that it is an inanimate clump of cells.
for those of you that believe it is only a clump of cells, how do you rationalize the chance that it might actually be a baby? 98% of scientists believe life begins at conception. I’m not saying if it’s right or wrong, I’m just curious of the forethought for those who believe that.
if you’re wrong as a prolifer, average case is that there is a newborn baby.
if you are wrong as someone who is prochoice, every time a woman makes the choice to abort; a baby is murdered.

[Cubus]

I am pro life because I believe in congenital human dignity. I believe in supporting weaker ones.

[Cubus]

Thank you for Most Helpful.

[LimitedBenefits101]

Pro life

I don't support murders.

[Msputiton]

I am prochoice, but i would never or could never abort my child.

But i do not feel the need to force others to risk their bodies safety over my beliefs.

How do i live with that with the following explaination.

Once a sperm cell and an egg cell connect. It forms a zygot.

Definition of a zygot: a diploid cell resulting from the fusion of two haploid gametes; a fertilized ovum.

So initial stages is just 2 cells connecting and forming another cell.

That we are calling life because it is no longer a singular cell organism but a bicellular organism. Once they become enough developed cells than they become a human as we know it to be.

Other examples of bicelluar organisms are Diplococci (algae) also yeast is another bicelluar organism.

This is the reasoning that scientists say life is formed but it is not immoral and not considered murder to abort this bicellular organism.

So if you truly are concerned about killing cells. Why are we not talking about not wasting everyone of our egg cell and trying to spare the life of sperm cells.

Because the only difference between sperm or egg cell is the sperm and egg cell has joined together

[4ngelic]

im pro choice (up to 4 months though, not after than unless the baby will have a severe mental or physical disability, or the mom's life is in danger). mainly cause up to about then even though the foetus is alive (and i mean technically its alive even before conception. sperms and eggs are alive) its not really a real person. and for most of that time it doesn't even look like a baby. it can't think or feel, might have a heartbeat or feel pain but they're not really more than random cells at the start to maybe the same level as a mouse or something at the end of that stage (4 month stage). if the foetus was not human but lets say an puppy foetus no one would care about it, people only care because we made human life sacred. but it isn't. i mean i'm not saying human lives dont matter but at that stage they're not really anything yet, its just that possibility of them becoming a real person is there. but that possibility isn't a beautiful miracle or anything. life isn't necessarily that good if you get really down to it and there's no point in being born or existing technically beyond forwarding the species for no reason. so dont see a problem in terminating not even existing people. especially that being pregnant can ruin your life (you can lose your job, be very short on money, have your dreams crushed, family problems, break up etc), ruins your body (you usually gain loads of weight, stretch marks and your pussy is stretched. so yea...) , takes months away from your life, its not great. if your a guy you might get money problems, have to pay child support even if you dont want to, lose a lot of time on a baby you didn't want, etc. also giving them up for adoption is complicated and obviously if you keep them your life will never be the same. and even though kids can be really fun and make you really happy, they also make life at the same time not necessarily that great. also some people just can't afford to have kids or really are not good with them

[Asker]

Do you think we should put down kids with disabilities and children in foster care?

[4ngelic]

foster care lol no. for disabilities if they're more than moderate they shouldn't be born but if they're already fully formed no cause they're actually properly human at that point and have a consciousness and everything. if its so severe though that it would be very difficult for them to live parents should be encouraged with hospitals and stuff to not treat them but let them die in dignity

[Asker]

But why did you say to make exceptions if they’re disabled?

[4ngelic]

because its better for people like that to not be born because they will be miserable and their parents too and they're a burden to the healthcare system

[Asker]

But if you can make an exception for them, why not for the kids without disabilities? And if they’re such a burden after they’re born, why not eradicate them entirely? Same for the ones in the foster system, they’re a huge burden on society and even if they get adopted; they’ll most likely just molest any biological kids. Nobody wants any of these kids and they’re just burdens with disabilities. I think we should get rid of the old people too, what are most of them even doing aside from taking advantage of the system.

[4ngelic]

im not hitler for saying that lol dont need to exaggerate everything. normal kids who just are in foster care kids usually turn out alright and even if its hard they can take care of themselves, and live a normal life. they aren't born with inherant prejudice and can function easily. they also dont cost much anyways or anything. if they are a burden since they can live well, there's no reason to kill them. not wanting severely disabeled kids is mainly for ethical reasons anyways by the way. for both the family and the kid. for old people they obviously deserve to live the end of their lives but yea they shouldn't be allowed to take advantage of the system without having given or giving back. no one should honestly, and we should make laws to prevent that if it happens too much

[Asker]

No, I don’t think you feel like what I said; but your logic is parrellel to it. I wasn’t asking you to defend it, I was asking you why not?
Also I think you know nothing about the kids that are in the system and how much they cost. It’s very expensive on the system, and most of those kids are fucked up as hell either from coming from a very broken home, and/or being abused or molested by foster parents/siblings. It’s an awful and terrible system, one that I think needs tremendous reframing and that the kids need help. But it sounds like from you that they’re not worth it. Following your logic, why wouldn’t we get rid of them?

[purplepoppy]

We don't have to assume its only a cluster of cells, its possible to look at it and see it is. It looks nothing more than a structureless mass of slime.
I don't believe it's a gift from God but rather the result of failed contraception. A mistake easily rectified. Humans since the beginning of time have chosen whether or not to raise children. Often this meant abandoning them to the wolves or tossing of a cliff. We all know many animals in certain circumstances eat their babies and no doubt until recent times many human ones met the same fate.

Abortion simply gets the task done earlier before it develops from slime into a human.

[Asker]

Do you think murder is not wrong then?

[purplepoppy]

Murder is of a human being not a clump of cells

[Asker]

So how do you resolve with the possibility that it’s more? Regardless of what you think it is, you can’t scientifically say there’s a zero percent chance it’s human. How does that weigh on your consciousness that there’s even a slim possibility? Although scientists find it to be more than that.

[HuskyJ]

Poppy - but it is a marriage consumated to get pregnant. Is it not? It changes things in how both feel.
Has it happened to you?

[purplepoppy]

No it hasn't but if I fell pregnant and felt it wasn't the wrong time I'd have no moral or scientific problem with abortion.

[Anonymous]

I'm pro-choice up until the 3 months after the baby has been born. At the same time, I personally think life begins at conception but the process goes the same (a baby doesn't age until it is actually aging, like it does after it has been born and stuff).

Pro-choice because

• Parenting isn't easy and no one should be forced into it unnecessarily. This includes rape victims but also couples who don't feel are ready to have children
• Following point A, I don't think there is enough help available for parents, mothers and fathers alike, yet you're asking parents to deal with a lifetime commitment
• Eugenics, I think some people shouldn't exist for their own sake. Not every life matters or is important, or whatever prolifers like saying which is ironic because the same prolifers may also support the death penalty or be against veganism.

[Asker]

Because the life of a pedophile or a dog isn’t on the same level as an innocent baby… it’s not rocket science.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes, and I don't think pedophiles shouldn't be having kids if they are either

[Asker]

No, it’s because you were condemning those who believe in maximum punishment

[Opinion Owner]

You want to avoid adding more bad individuals into society, if you believe someone deserves to be punished, they shouldn't reproduce further

[Asker]

How do you know they’ll be bad? That logic holds no value. Why not kill all the kids in Forster care? Most of them won’t end up well

[Opinion Owner]

Kids in foster care is a different issue, most of them were neglected and don't really have any good role models but they could. Rapists rape because it's a sexual crime that has worked in the past (when women weren't allowed to have an abortion). That doesn't mean that the kid will absolutely rape someone but it will inherit that inclination and attitude from the dad, whether it chooses to do it or not. Do you want that kind of possiblity? Do you want to throw the dice and hope you're not the next woman who gets raped? Or do you want to ignore all of this so you can continue virtue singling?

[Asker]

Who is the one virtue signaling? You’d be the one during segregation saying, “stop virtue signaling, you don’t really care about the lives of others. Stop boycotting jeez” 😂😂

[Opinion Owner]

Nah, I don't have that information about you. I think most prolifers care but I think they're fighting the wrong thing. And for all I know, you probably volunteer and help starving families or struggling mother or something

[slatyb]

Life? There's no question that the animals we kill for food are alive, far more alive and conscious than a 12-week fetus. Scientifically that's no question that before 24 weeks there's minimal brain development. A 24-week fetus is not a conscious being.

[Asker]

What about ones born before 24weeks? Should it be alright to suffocate a baby born at 21weeks if it survives to 23 weeks?

[slatyb]

What about them? It's rare, and few survive. That's not the question. The question is whether we are willing to enslave pregnant women in service to a unconscious bit of protoplasm. I'm not.

[Asker]

What makes them different?

[slatyb]

What makes what different? After a premature birth, pregnancy has ended. There's no further risk to the mother's life and health.

So you are willing to enslave women to the service of tiny bits of protoplasm?

[Asker]

Enslave? Me? 😂 no

[slatyb]

And that's why I support a woman's bodily autonomy.

[Asker]

You don’t make sense

[slatyb]

What do you mean "You don't make sense" -- I'm just saying that I believe adult women have the right to control their own body. Fetuses have no rights. A fetus is not a person.

[Asker]

Whose forcing the pregnancy on them?

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

I'm neutral about it and to be honest it's not a something I give much thought about.

[In_Trance]

I'm "not entitled to have an opinion on something that will never affect me"

[Tyrael]

I'm pro choice because I don't care that it's a baby. If I was a woman I'd want a safe, legal option to do what I want with my own body. Fuck everyone else.

[Asker]

That’s fair. I respect an honest person who acknowledges they’re killing a baby a lot more.

[SmokinAces2000]

I feel like within reason a woman should have a choice on what grows inside of her

[CAPTAIN-OBVIOUS]

I am pro choice because I believe banning abortion would produce deadlier consequences such as girls trying to do more unsafe abortions or it might create black markets for this procedure.

[Asker]

Do you believe the amount of abortions has gone up or down since they were legalized?

[CAPTAIN-OBVIOUS]

Doesn’t matter. It’s a choice

[Asker]

Yeah, okay. But it’s become more deadly

[Cubus]

My country does not have abortion on request and women are not dying due to unsafe abortions.

[CuriousMufuxka]

Choice. I mean that beyond abortion.