Why is it that in the US puppies are required to be at least 8 weeks to be sold, but women are only legally entitled 6 weeks of maternity leave?

[Subarugirl]

Seems kind of messed up to me

[lightbulb27]

Money: cost to support the puppy is low, and 8 weeks ish the parent is ready to see them go on their own... had puppies/kitten experiences as kid.

Humans are different, require 22 ish years to get them out the door. A minimum of several years to get them functional and stabilize the family. Then another kid shows up, and another... usually 2-4 kids.

6 weeks is nothing to stabilize after having a kid and make plans and have support to care for them. Dumping them in day care is... don't even get me started on that... seems wrong. All this because women want to work and make big $, and they do now, and govt wants to inflate away our standard of living. But whose caring for the child?

Someone negotiated that as part of law. There's the flip side... I don't want to pay that as a business owner, I have a business to run, it costs and I have to find temporary workers... sometimes for skilled roles, it makes things difficult. Only really feasible in larger companies. I'd rather not hire a woman at all... ouch... oohch... I just violated a law, dang it.

So they negotiated and concluded 6 weeks, it's up to the human pro-creators to figure it out.

I'm sure if we on GAG had a forum we could come up with another answer, but is even 1 year good? Try leaving a 1 year old at home in a cage... don't work.

#stayathomeparent

#familyunits

[Subarugirl]

Men are legally entitled to the same amount of FMLA leave as women are

[Aerissa_Jade]

Technically you can get 12 weeks of unpaid maternity leave. There is no law that requires people be paid when not working.

If you look at it from the business owners side (especially if your a small business with only a few employees) how would you even pay someone for maternity leave. You now have an employee doing zero work, that everyone else has to cover, imagine if two or more went out at once. It could cause you go bankrupt.

Everything would get behind, service would suck, lost customers forever.

Exempting small businesses isn't the solution either, as we both know that if given the opportunity to work for big corp where you get better benefits than small business, people would pick big corp and small business would never be able to hire anyone.

I like what my company does, they don't actually directly pay any time off. They buy a insurance policy, that the employee and the employer splits the cost. If FMLA is needed for anything from maternity leave to surgery, then you get paid 60/80/100% of you base (non overtime) pay for the duration until you return to work.

The insurance policy is managed by a insurance company and is cheaper than directly paying out. As they require evidence and push you back to work asap. Things like maternity leave though is guaranteed for up to 12 weeks if you want it.

The percentage is based on tenure, so less than 5 years is 60%, 5 to 10 is 80% and greater than 10 years is a 100%.

They are talking about adding a month for paternity leave, but the insurance won't cover that, so they don't know how to pay for it... so probably won't happen.

[jennifer_bloom]

It might depend on the company you work at cause the pregnant women I talked to had at least 3 months and some may have had 9 months or more. They are also not allowed to fire you if you leave your job for birthing reasons and must pay you money while you are away on leave that is proportional to your normal salary, even if it is smaller.

[Subarugirl]

Now when I had my baby. They were not legally obligated to pay for maternity leave at all, and only 6 weeks of leave was legally protected

[loveslongnails]

As you said, there IS no requirement in the USA for paid maternity leave, and in order to be eligible for up to 12 weeks of unpaid maternity leave, you have to meet all the stipulations found at that link.

It's very fucked up that the USA is only industrialized, high income nation that doesn't require it on some level. However, for many smaller businesses it would be a real financial burden unless there was some form of insurance to cover it, or subsidy.

US Maternity Leave info

[loveslongnails]

I neglected to add that I think comparisons like this to the animal kingdom make for very specious arguments, at best. Women are often quick to point out which animals or insects mate for life, while men counter with those females that kill their mates after impregnation. LOL

[OlderAndWiser]

You think women should be treated exactly the same as dogs? So I can tell my girlfriend to stay home and eat dogfood while I go out for dinner at a steakhouse?

[OlderAndWiser]

Also, the premse of your question is faulty. Under the federal Family Medical Leave Act, a woman can get up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave for medical reasons per calendar year.

[SnowedIn]

If what you're advocating is that women should get way more paid maternity leave, then I agree with you 100%.

But you can't compare a puppy sell age with maternity leave. The puppy sell age is merely an age where the puppy can be sold and cared for by new owners. Maternity leave doesn't put any stipulation on not caring for the baby or anything like that. It just says when mom stops getting paid for time off. Again, I'm not saying that's right or fair, but the two things aren't comparable.

[Subarugirl]

The US doesn’t require paid maternity leave.

[Subarugirl]

But you don’t think that it’s messed up that dogs are legally untitled to more time to bond and care for their offspring than working mother are with their newborns?

[SnowedIn]

Yes, it is very messed up.

[Apple1996]

It's messed up but it's the hustle culture that America has so nothing to be done about it. Things have been getting better for certain jobs tho like even with my husband being in the military he's getting 12 weeks off as a dad and the women are now getting 18 weeks so if a woman has a decent job then she can get more then the standard 6 weeks.

Still overall tho it's best for moms just to stay home and raise there babies unless they have to work but most dual income couples with kids could manage on 1 income but choose not to.

[NathanDavis]

lmfao... bit worried the second part of the premise was going to be about selling human babies... good thing it isn't

adopt puppies when possible!!

rescue, don't buy if you can help it (=

[annabananna]

Same!!!

[NathanDavis]

@annabananna lol... yeah

[KrakenAttackin]

Because women are strong, powerful, and don't need no man? Also, your job is way more important than your kids, right? Just like your "happiness" is more important than your marriage or your kids happiness, right? And hey, if you have a job and get pregnant, just kill the baby and throw a dead-baby-abortion party. It's 2023, get with the program and stop whining about 1950's shit (you know when women were real human beings).

[whirled_up_girl]

There was also a time when a man could support a wife and kids on a single income. I know a few doctors and surgeons wives who have stayed home to raise children but very few other married couples I know can afford it. The times changed and we all had to change along with it whether we wanted to or not.

[Subarugirl]

You know it would have just been a lot easier today that you just hate women and prefer men right?

[KrakenAttackin]

@whirled_up_girl This has come with the absurd expectation about quality of life. Women insist on the huge house, newer cars, shiny glittery stuff; which does make living off a single income impossible. If people tempered their expectations they can absolutely live off of one income.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Subarugirl. "lol".

[Subarugirl]

Exactly, you’re finally catching on! Good job

[KrakenAttackin]

@Subarugirl "lol".

[jcampbell115]

Then in Canada you can get up to a year of paid maternity leave, and all this does is encourage women to have multiple kids in succession and not work lol

[Fireguy17]

I'm not really sure how one correlates with the other.
1 has to do with the maturity of the puppy the other is how long businesses have to give leave for.

[joeldalton]

That’s why you marry a man who can provide so you can stay home and raise your children.

[Subarugirl]

You do realize that the median income for an American man is only 50k a year and that American households spend an average of $61,334 per year right?

Oh also it costs almost 19k on average to have a baby and the 2022 — also American households with savings accounts have a median balance of $5300

[joeldalton]

It’s all about priorities.

[Subarugirl]

Except aren’t those women who prioritize men who are able to financially provide called gold diggers and ridiculed for wanting that?

[joeldalton]

Or you could have a daycare worker making $8 raise your child. Whatever you think is best.

[whirled_up_girl]

@Subarugirl Yeah, true, the misogynists will find fault with almost all women no matter what they do really. To them women are either gold diggers, searching for Chads (I hear this all the time on the gag), or they are selfish feminists for wanting to have children and a career, because yes, it's very costly these days to raise a family on a single income but that part of the narrative often gets dismissed.

[Juxtapose]

This really is a lose-lose situation for women. Either they are lambasted for prioritizing their career or they are labeled as gold diggers for looking for men who are way above average in terms of financial wealth because that's what it takes to raise a kid properly these days.

[joeldalton]

@whirled_up_girl poor thing.

[RavVid]

Put in that perspective it seems a bit F'ed. So if a woman needed 6.5 weeks would she get sacked or just not paid?

[OddBeMe]

Good point. But puppies and kittens will always be more important than people in need.


I’m in advertising…put a pet in a video, you get 10x the donations. A starving child (especially darker skinned) 10x less….

[Pyrofox]

Puppies are not humans. This is like comparing an apple to a banana.

[Uannoyme]

My company gives 4 months paid maternity leave.

[jshm2]

You must be fucked in the head to compare those two things equally!

[AviatorTom]

Last I knew, women don't give birth to dogs.

[TheFlak38]

I will only start worrying when women stopped playing the victims, demanding more rights, privileges and benefits. Women are never happy.

[Anonymous]

false equivalence.. But i get what you mean. Did you know that men are entitled to precisely zero paternity leave? Its sad. but it is what it is.

[Subarugirl]

Actually men are legally allowed to have just as much FMLA leave as women…. So that’s wrong.

[Opinion Owner]

That varies by state. Where I'm from, women are entitled to 6 weeks PAID leave. Men get one..

[OnTheLevel]

Horses walk the day they are born. Why does it take humans nearly a year? Seems messed up to me.

[Subarugirl]

What’s messed up is that dogs are legally entitled to more time with their offspring than people are

[OnTheLevel]

Dogs don't get paid for those 8 weeks.

[OnTheLevel]

Think about it from a business owner's perspective. If you had an employee that didn't come to work for 8 weeks consecutively and your business didn't suffer, you would lay off that employee because they are unnecessary. So either the person on leave for 8 weeks is unnecessary or the business is suffering in their absence. The two need to be balanced against each other.

[Subarugirl]

Im not talking about paid leave, I am talking about protected leave.

[annabananna]

I would like maternity and paternity to be at least six months. Bonding time is important for baby.

[KostasKouvalis]

I know. The Americans think animals are more important than people

[Anonymous]

The US is awfully backwards in that regard, and only 6 weeks is pathetic.

[MountAverage]

What else do you expect from a third world country?

[nawtee_me]

But in most cases women are not selling their kids at six weeks...

[jjj101010]

Because the employment regulations in the US aren’t great

[MrCommodore]

That is a bit messed up.

[Subarugirl]

Just a bit?

[sunflower00]

Jesus, women get 1 year maternity leave in the UK

[DJB72]

Figures...

Explains a lot

[LiamJHayden]

Government should be dictating neither.

[Anonymous]

Equal pay for…oh…

[Subarugirl]

Hey, you do realize they men get just as much FMLA leave as women right?

[Opinion Owner]

Men had to fight for that. Women didn’t.
You’re so hateful towards men that everything you say is tainted. There’s not a genuine bone in your body. You’re a propagandista.

[Subarugirl]

So did women. Though I fail to see how FMLA leave has anything to do with man hating. I love men, I hate sexism.

[WhitneySnow]

I agree

[Anonymous]

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