Do you trust government organizations such as the CDC, FDA, CIA, FBI and so on?

[Juxtapose]

Pretty simple question.

No bullshit and no anonymous opinions. You own what you say here.

[OlderAndWiser]

Currently posted on FoxNews online:

"CNN medical analyst and Washington Post columnist Dr. Leana Wen admitted in a column, Friday, that the medical community is 'overcounting' the amount of 'COVID deaths and hospitalizations.'"

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-leana-wen-slammed-admitting-theres-been-overcounting-covid-deaths-two-half-years-late

The CDC has lost ALL credibility as a result of their Covid misinformation campaign. The FBI has become a special operations arm of the Democrat party. I have slightly less distrust of the FDA and CIA, but I do not blindly trust the government.

[Juxtapose]

^^ precisely.

[SaoirseS]

@OlderAndWiser. Unevenness in death statistic reporting among the states has been a problem that NCHS has been wrestling with since the beginning of the pandemic. So has timeliness in reporting into the national system, since numbers are usually categorized as provisional due to it taking months for official data to come in. NCHS/CDC does not receive individual death certificates or individually identifiable health information. It didn't help that the media was relying on slapdash hospital and county health department information in their haste to put out "up to the minute information" (whether it was right or wrong). The distinction as to whether a person died from COVID or with it depends on where and if SARS-COVID-2 appears in the causal chain. It is never going to be the immediate cause (which is always going to be a vital organ failure or fatal trauma), so the determination comes down to the informed opinion of the death certifier. Then comes the Part II information (Other Significant Conditions Contributing to Death But Not Resulting in the Underlying Cause Given in Part I) in which SARS-COVID-2 may be noted. It should be crystal clear whether COVID was present but not a significant contributor, but it seems to some data inputters it was not (and in the two state area in which I work, the data fields don't really make the distinction). There have been specious claims that reporting agencies have been reporting accidental deaths as COVID, but despite the clamor I've seen no evidence of this. Manner of death has to be natural for COVID to be a factor.

[OlderAndWiser]

Thanks for MHO!

[Dargil]

I do not trust government at any level.

[OddBeMe]

That’s a serious problem. Speaking non-confrontationally. Why? You vote, right?

[WhiteSteve]

I don’t truly trust anything that isn’t myself.

That said, almost 44 years in, and I haven’t really felt any impact of any of these agencies that made life unbearable for me. Government exists, and I just kind of ignore it. Any commentary I have on it is from the sidelines, and either just water cooler talk or a general lamentation about the overall poor levels of decency shown by humans.

[God_of_Thunder]

I neither trust, nor distrust them.

I know enough about the CIA's illegal involvment in foreign affairs, and their illegal human experimentation to know better than to blindly trust them. I know about government experiments on American citizens, as well.

They obviously do, and have done, horrible things. That doesn't mean that they don't also have some benefit, as well. I don't think they should be abolished, but I also wouldn't automatically believe everything they say.

As with anything else in life, I take what they say/do with a grain of salt, until I can either corroborate that information, or find evidence to dispute it. Other than that, they don't generally have enough of an immediate impact on my life for me to be overly concerned about them.

[Juxtapose]

I would say any agency that willingly experiments on American citizens should be abolished and anyone directly involved should be publicly executed.

[purplepoppy]

OK here's my "own what I say" 10p worth. Obviously I'm not an American but I reckon it holds true both sides of the pond.
I have to deal with government organisations directly here through my line of work and I've never had an issue. True some of the paperwork is an overkill but they're usually not impressed with it either.

What I've learnt through talking with both them and people who don't like government organisations is the people who moan the most are ALWAYS up to something dodgy. Play ball with them and they'll bend over to help but the minute you try the "I don't trust the government line" they'll suspect you're upto something illegal, and 99% of the time you are.

They're not our to get you, that's far too much paperwork.

[Wallythewalrus]

There were hundreds of people sitting in a federal jail, some for months, on a simple not having a permit to protest charge. They would probably disagree with you.

[purplepoppy]

Then they should have got one

[Juxtapose]

@Wallythewalrus yep, along with the government having a history of conducting unethical experiments on its citizens among the litany of other atrocities.

[Juxtapose]

Not to mention these three lettered agencies don't have any oversight or checks.

[Juxtapose]

@purplepoppy requiring a permit to do a constitutionally protected activity is essentially violating the Constitution under the color of law.

That is blatantly unconstitutional. What youths are these rights if the government has to give you permission slips to use them?

[Juxtapose]

*What use are these rights

Voice to text typo. I forget to double check when I get passionate.

[Wallythewalrus]

"Then they should have got one". Fucking brilliant! You said they don't come after you! That's a lie! No one gets their door broke down and gets thrown in a federal jail for not having a permit, after they've left the premises.

[Juxtapose]

@Wallythewalrus ^^ this too.

[Lliam]

Absolutely not. They are corrupt to the core.

The CDC and FDA both work to benefit the industries they are supposed to regulate. They are not in business to protect people but, rather, to rake in money.

The CIA is like a shadow government of its own that has zero oversight. It isn't even answerable to our government, let alone the American people. It engages in extreme criminal activities in the U. S. and abroad. It traffics in death.

The FBI is too big and out of control. It is corrupt and engages in secret, illegal activities.

The NSA was created in order to advance the globalist goal of technocratic totalitarianism.

Secret government agencies are antithetical to the intent of out founding documents. They are anti-human rights and freedom.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

On a scale of 1-10 where 1 means not at all and 10 is completely.

Cdc 6 I think the Cdc is mostly trustworthy, but you need to be careful because politicians seem to have the ability to override their statements

Fda 7 they're reasonably good at what they do

Cia 8 I think they have America's best interest at heart but not necessarily American citizens. I trust that they are aware of their decisions and try to focus on making sure whatever is going on inside the country isn't affected by the outside world too much.

Fbi 4 largely corrupt. Get the feeling there is a community of people fighting the good fight but largely losing that fight.

[cth96190]

Hell no!
The current governmental structure is controlled by globalist Communists who want to murder all but 500 million of the population of the planet and impose upon the survivors a Communist hell state in which the living will envy the dead.
The elite have written and spoken about this plan openly for the past 140 years. It was also carved into the Georgia Guide Stones.
Those government agencies are the tentacles of the octopus. Their purpose is to oppress, exploit and murder you, all of which you are being forced to pay for through taxation.
Those who work for such agencies are either traitors, or too stupid to understand what is happening and their role in it.

[ArtemisSilver]

Not the Canadian ones no. We've been asleep at the switch for years. CSIS tried warning parliament about chinese influence and subversion for years and it essentially fell on deaf ears. Since then our organizations have lost most of their good staff, and just started copying US policy essentially verbatim.

It's really sad, we just let our sovereignty errode. Our new anti gun legislation was almost certainly sent to us by the Biden administration. Search the whole buttmaster banned thing on YouTube for details, but it's essentially proof that our list of banned guns is straight out of a US archive.

And of course health Canada took like a decade to realize vapes are potentially dangerous... So yeah I'm not feeling great about the state of our public watchdog organizations.

[Avicenna]

Of course not. There's no Congressional oversights or judicial check on them and they're full of people who abuse their power and violate laws.

[OddBeMe]

Yes, ultimately I think the checks and balances work. Humans are imperfect so shit like “Fast and Furious” and those FBI lovers text about trump will happen. But they were taken care of.


The fbi didn’t investigate trump illegally. If anything they investigate Supreme Court justices half assed.

[Juxtapose]

You really think the same government that experimented on black people with syphilis and try to use LSD for mind control is trustworthy? What about the Patriot Act? What about the Japanese internment camps? What about the torture our government does or the for-profit prisons that are basically slave camps? What about how the CIA killed JFK?

The FBI didn't even want to admit the mafia was real until the 1930s. Do you know why that is? Because the mafia is deeply embedded in the government.

All organizations are doomed to fall to corruption, it is inevitable. No organization in existence can be free from corruption unless it is dissolved before corruption takes hold.

[OddBeMe]

(Yawn) I don’t have to blindly trust the govt pal. I can see what’s real and what ain’t.

You guys on the right just want a leader you can be obedient too. Democracy requires homework.

[Juxtapose]

I have told you numerous times I am a classical liberal and I have not voted for anything but third party candidates.

All governments are corrupt, so corrupt that all the awful shit we see is barely scratching the surface. You think marijuana would still be banned and the Patriot Act would have ever been passed if the government was not incredibly corrupt?

[OddBeMe]

You keep telling me that yet we quarrel worse than my right wing friends on extremist bullshit.

[Juxtapose]

That's cus I have a pet peeve with the Dems being fake liberals. They're cultural Marxists.

[OddBeMe]

Every Dem voter is a Marxist?

[Juxtapose]

Either that or profoundly mislead.

[OddBeMe]

Have you spoken to every Democrat voter?

[Juxtapose]

No, just as I have not spoken to every religious person I have judged for their beliefs. If you're not a theist then you can see how being a theist seems pretty crazy and how easy that is to apply to every theist.

[OddBeMe]

I wouldn’t say that. There could be “theists” who are not sure but believe for a number of other reasons. And are open that it’s not logical. Which is cool.

[Revvl6pro]

After the fake insurrection, and the fake raid on Trump's home, I don't trust any of them.

[Revvl6pro]

@Guardian45

Be more specific on what you want explained.

[Revvl6pro]

@Guardian45

You never heard about either of these?

[Guardian45]

I've heard of both, but NOT fake.

[Revvl6pro]

@Guardian45
You're Canadian and I'm not taking your bait. Talk about Justin in blackface.

[exitseven]

No, they are all in the tank for the democrats who push for bigger and bigger government. They all need to be defunded. The FBI needs to be dismantled.

[SaoirseS]

I treat a lot of information with caution, but I don't distrust government on a wholesale basis. But I put zero faith in keyboard warriors whose only experience with government is chatting with the mailman and filing their tax return.

[Twalli]

For the most part. The FBI and CIA have spies in them, their job requires a certain amount of deception and lying. So I trust that they're doing what they are supposed to, but I don't think I trust them because of the jobs they need to do.

[Adaeva]

They are all criminal organizations and should be abolished.

[Guardian45]

I believe these organizations were established with benevolent well-meaning intentions; however, increasingly, I feel they are being or have been corrupted by malevolent biased politicians or factions for their own devices. Dump and Republicans are arguably the most infamous for that. Personal/corporate profit over benefit to the people or society at large!

[TheSpaceGnome]

They are just people, I trust them as much as I'd trust anyone else, which is to say not at all, bcause trust itself is worthless.

[LiamJHayden]

No. Many of their rank-and-file members are probably fine, but the leadership is for most part horrible.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Not really. They are all I'm for the interests of the private corporations run by millionaires.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Nope, I don't trust them

[KrakenAttackin]

Hell-to-the-NO.

[Apple_Cider]

No way in hell.

[RealMarek]

No way. They serve the oligarchy.

[TrueConfection]

Nope!

[Guardian45]

Please explain

[TrueConfection]

"Do you trust government organizations such as the CDC, FDA, CIA, FBI and so on?"

"Nope."

What do you want me to explain?

[Guardian45]

Why don't you trust them?

[TrueConfection]

@Guardian45 I believe they are only interested in lining their pockets.

[Exterminatore]

Not for the most part.

[Passing_by]

Of course not.

[BLP11520]

No I do not