Do you think the American tax payers should have a say in what the government does with their money?

[KostasKouvalis]

Like do you think it's fair that Congress can just give away billions of our dollars to Zelenskyy or illegals without asking the American people how they feel about it?

Do you think the American voters should have a say in how their money is spent?

Absolutely! Put spending on the ballot for the American people to decide

No, the American people should have no say in how their tax dollars are spent

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Oh właśnie, Tucker Carlson and Tulsi Gabbard just said the same thing I said, that the American tax payers should have a say in whether or not our government sends money to Ukraine or sends us to war.
HAHAHA! And who was right?🤣

[NaultD]

When USA gives money to other countries its more like a coupon to buy American made stuff. So none of the money leaves America. It really is no different then those covid19 stimulus checks people got but for businesses.

In terms of illegal immigrants spending we got Ronald Reagan to blame. In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay. It's kinda unethical to figure out if people can pay in an emergency situation. This is why illegal immigrants only have this level of health care.

If immigrants can get civilian status in a day they can buy healthcare and we save a lot of money not using EMTALA treating people.

[KostasKouvalis]

I don't see Zelensky buying Ford cars or Sierra Nevada beer.
Yeah, that was one of Regan's rare failed policies and then Clinton put the nail in the coffin by giving them amnesty.

[NaultD]

Zelensky is given a coupon on amarican made arms guns missile and those usa manufacturers buy local McDonald's for their family. Not a dollar leaves usa soil. It's a stimulus check like i said before.

How to turn the stigma of illegal immigrants? Make it eady to immigrant. Because we create illegal immigrants and alienate them we create illegal crimes and dangerous situation for all of amaricans.

Before 9/11 the us Mexico border was a completely non issue that you can cross for a quarter. It was only after 9/11 the cartels profiteering illegal immigrants because it was profitable.

[Apple_Cider]

I just heard that Biden gave 7 Middle Eastern countries countries 40 million dollars to help them secure their borders. How many Americans would have voted for that?

In my state, you used to have to buy hard liquor from a government store. People got tired of it, and forced the state to let the people decide with a referendum vote. I think it was about 70-80% of the people wanted the government to stay the hell out of it.

Can you imagine what it would be like if the state ran all the bars and clubs? You'd be in line like at the DMV trying to get a drink.

How many Americans would have voted to send millions of our Covid relief money to Pakistan for them to do gender studies. I wonder whose pocket that money went into.

[KostasKouvalis]

🤦‍♂️

[Cassie88]

Hell YES! The citizens of every other nation (like my own) should have the same.

[KostasKouvalis]

I had a feeling you'd like this question :)

[BeMuse]

September 8th, 2008 Ben Bernanke and Hank Paulson went to Obama and told him to give them one trillion dollars in cash by the end of the business day or the American financial system would implode in 48 hours and the world financial system would implode in 72 hours. Obama, the traitors fascist shit bag he is, agreed to make croniest deals that sold America down the river. On that day the American balance sheet was $8.8 billion, today it is over $31 trillion. You might want to start putting eyes on the central bankers at the Federal Reserve and their WEF appointed communist infiltrators that are trying to tear down our nation…

[BeMuse]

Maybe with time and reflection you people will start to wake up and realize Obama was one of the worst Presidents in American history right next to Woodrow Wilson who originally signed the Federal Reserve Act into existence and gave the central bankers unconstitutional authority over our money system...

[Soteris]

They do. Its called voting. You live in what is called a "representative democracy" meaning you elect people who votes on your behalf with your theoretical support behind them. If they did something you did not like then perhaps you should stop voting for them?

[Cassie88]

"It's called voting" - Ahahahaha!!! Classic. Do you actually, really believe that voting makes any difference to ANYTHING?

[Soteris]

@Cassie88 Yes. I actually do. You just have to vote for a candidate that actually represents what you believe in. I am sure you have many of those in government, otherwise, it is the people who have fucked up and not the system.

[KostasKouvalis]

You can't always trust them though, can you? I was thinking along the lines of a regular ballot, where they give you a list of programs/policies or a proposed budget and the voters check which programs they want to fund.

[Soteris]

If you can't trust them then you should not vote for them in the first place. That is what a vote is, a sign of trust.

As for getting a list of programs and whatnot you want to fund, that is never going to work. It is a non-starter to even consider.

[KostasKouvalis]

Why not?

[Cassie88]

Soteris, the problem you haven't taken into account here is that politicians LIE, and the vast majority of them will do anything to win your vote and gain office. Then, when they're sitting pretty, they do a 180 and break their promises and sell us out. They can't be trusted. The system is broken.

[KostasKouvalis]

I agree with Cassie. You are extremely naiive if you think any elected official can be trusted 100%

[Soteris]

How are you even supposed to run a country like that? What if people dont want to pay for roads? Or the military? The distribution of funding would all sorts of fucked up with things either getting too much or too little funding and you would get bad returns either way. It also gives for example rich people and corporations even more power over the country where they can decide with they major share of the nations taxes to not pay for healthcare or pensions etc..

It is just going to be a total clusterfuck.

[KostasKouvalis]

Well that's the people's choice!
I wouldn't make a difference. They could only vote for which programs they want funded and not necessarily how much funding they would get. And in the end, it would boil down to numbers. So it wouldn't matter if a handful of richasses voted to fund the war in Ukraine, if the majority of Americans voted against it.
Everyone would still be paying the same amount of money in taxes they're currently paying, but where that money goes would be determined by popular vote. It makes complete sense. I don't know why you're overcomplicating it.

[Soteris]

@Cassie88 So? Even if they lie, that does not mean you can't have a good understanding of their positions. Liars can be just as pathetically predictable as people who are honest, especially if you have a literal lifetime of a political career you can look back on and gauge their actual voting and personal priorities.

I never really understood people like you. Do you honestly just take people at their words? Do you have zero proficiency in deducing when someone is lying to you? It is not the system that is broken, it is you people that is voting irresponsibly to elect leaders that are garbage.

I have always stood by the saying that in a democracy you get the leaders that you deserve. Since you are misusing your vote then you are going to have garbage leaders.

[Soteris]

The national budget is complicated, you can't simplify it. Also you already decided the budget through voting by voting for the politicians. I also find it laughable that you think voters are going to have more knowledge regarding where money should be spent as opposed to their knowledge for which politician to vote for. If you give them the option, they are just going to fuck up both of them equally badly.

Also, its just simply not going to work. A country can't function like that. The closes option would by the Swizz direct democracy but even that is faaaaar from what you are proposing and I am 100% certain you would hate that system because it would make sure republicans would never again get anything done.

[Surely]

In a perfect world the people footing the bill should have a say.
Unfortunately, people don’t take the time to call their politicians nor vote them out at election time.
So they probably use the saying. Silence gives consent!

[Iron_Man]

Yes we should

[Subarugirl]

We do, we elect or government officials.

[KostasKouvalis]

That's not the same thing

[Subarugirl]

We chose which officials we put into office. We vote on the legislation that gives them the power to choose where our tax dollars go, you, your parents, and their parents did get to choose. The people have the power to change it if they want to. You could start by drafting a bill.

[KostasKouvalis]

Oh I can draft a bill? I didn't know. Thank you, I will do that.

[Subarugirl]

Yes, anyone can write a bill.

[KostasKouvalis]

Thanks, I'll try

[Subarugirl]

No problem

[MessofConfuzzled]

yes for sure