Feminism vs chivalry?

[Genegenehh]

I opened a door for a coworker of mine and she said “ don’t ever do that again, I can do it myself” I replied “ I apologize, it’s the way I was raised” she than said “ your parents raised you to treat women as they are beneath men, and that’s why you opened the door”
I’ve tried to understand her views but I cannot wrap my head around that interaction.
I’m interested in other people’s opinions.

[Soteris]

Neither part of that interaction was chivalrous nor feminist. Chivalry, the actual kind, is a warrior ideology and not the romanticized nonsense that was dreamed up afterwards by sexually repressed Victorians. Feminism on the other hand is all about equality and freedom and does not actually force you into anything such as saying that holding the door is bad because patriarchy or whatever.

This interaction as such, makes no sense when viewed from either lens. She is just an asshole. As an ACTUAL feminist I give you personal permission to hold up the door for any woman you want (or even men!) and if anyone complains that you are oppressing them or whatever then just tell them that Soteris gave you permission... Jokes aside, feminism is actually not against the traditional treatment of women on the single condition that she is willing. What feminism is strictly AGAINST is forcing either men or women to act out in a way that they do not want such as forcing you to open up the door because "its the right thing to do". If you do it of your own free will then that is perfectly okey.

[Genegenehh]

I actually agree with just about everything. I do believe some feminists my have different view on feminism than you. But either way. Still puzzled by that statement

[Soteris]

Its not like the definition of feminism is arguable. If people disagree with the basic gist that I just said then they are by definition not a feminist.

[Genegenehh]

I agree, you cannot argue the definition. However, you may call yourself a feminist and not fully agree with the base definition.
She would be a branch of its core beliefs. What that is… I’m not familiar with.

Regardless, that is her beliefs. That was her take.

[Soteris]

I guess one way or another its not illegal to be an asshole so I guess its all her problem in the end.

[inhua]

next time, don't help her when an angry dog confronts her

[anon171999]

She sounds like a disrespectful, entitled, and Ungrateful b*tch. Don't be so nice or apologetic to women who act like that next time. They don't deserve to be treated with respect. You dont have to treat disrespectful people with respect. In fact doing so helps them avoid accountability.

[kylee2437]

Next time, slam the door in her face. She may then start to appreciate that holding doors open is literally just common courtesy

[Genegenehh]

Yeah. It crossed my mind.

[Blackcupcake]

that’s bullshit… I have the most sweetest coworker ever, he always opens the door for us girls, he waits for us to go when we close together, he helps lift heavy stuff when I struggle etc.


that woman is just bitter and disrespectful.

[Anonymous]

Sadly you dealt with a Nancy
You didn’t do anything wrong
You still do what you do even when she sees you ~ but not when it’s her so she is aware you don’t do it for her anYmoRe

[_piotr]

Actually, chivalry is treating men like they ware beneath women. It is forcing men to behave like servants or butlers.

[Anonymous]

I've never had a woman actually say anything to me like that when I opened or held the door for her, but I have had plenty of them give me a dirty or judgmental look. Whatever.

[Anonymous]

Good story bro.

I doubt this even happened.

[Genegenehh]

Who are you to assume what I experienced to be a lie?
What do I have to gain?

[Shamalien]

I wouldn’t doubt it…depends where you live

[Genegenehh]

Northern California

[OddBeMe]

That sounds made up. But if not, she’s a bitch. That’s not an indictment on feminism,

[gorydetails]

This didn't happen.