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Did you know that in the Florida AP African-American studies course you must learn about queer theory?

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This is called a lie. If anyone wants to know what is in the African-American studies curriculum, just look it up.
Youtube man strikes again!!!
https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/subject-areas/social-studies/african-amer-hist.stml
The following is in the required instruction statute, s. 1003.42(2)(f), F. S.
The history of the United States, including the period of discovery, early colonies, the War for Independence, the Civil War, the expansion of the United States to its present boundaries, the world wars, and the civil rights movement to the present. American history shall be viewed as factual, not as constructed, shall be viewed as knowable, teachable, and testable, and shall be defined as the creation of a new nation based largely on the universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence.
The following is in the required instruction statute, s. 1003.42(2)(h), F. S.
The history of African Americans, including:the history of African peoples before the political conflicts that led to the development of slavery;
the passage to America;
the enslavement experience;
abolition; and
the history and contributions of Americans of the African diaspora to society.
"Florida’s education department said in a statement Wednesday that it is “glad the College Board has recognized that the originally submitted course curriculum is problematic” and plans to review the updated framework, which it expects will have removed “content on Critical Race Theory, Black Queer Studies, Intersectionality and other topics that violate our laws.”
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Here's something in written form since you are too stupid to watch a video.
Dude, what is wrong with you. You posted me like four times. You can't make a simple point with one post?
I can't even discern what you are attempting to say.
What the fuck is "Critical Race Theory"? Do you even know? Because it appears that anything something mentions African-American History you think it is Critical Race Theory.
This is a "take" by msputiton that actually defines and talks about CRT. It isn't a nonsensical shitstorm like your question.
Understanding the actual purpose and studies of critical race theory ↗
This is a concise neat, fact based "take" on what CRT is and what it covers. It is specific. It is not some general overview of African-American History.
In a word;
"Critical race theory helps to educate how laws in America helped to shape our country today."
DeSantis has defined Critical Race Theory as. . . the belief that the educational and justice systems of the United States are inherently racist.
But we all know that the law is being used to block the teaching of African-American history.
My state went in the opposite direction. My state not only mandates teaching African-American History, it mandates Asian-American History, Latino-American History, and American Indian history.
"Black" Queer studies? Dude, stop doing drugs.
Yes dude. Because all you believe is lies and conspiracies anyway.
So why the fuck would I even bother telling some angry racist troll the truth? Just believe any fruitcake conspiracy theory about me. . . and call it a fucking day.
What in the sideways fuck is wrong with you?
@Juxtapose Dude get some psychological counseling. Quick.
Is there a "European American Studies" program?
@monorprise ^^ this
@monorprise? It is called "American studies".
It is weird that you pretend like you and I have not been educated on "White"-American history. And that either one of you were taught anything significant about African-American History. Or even Asian-American History or name any notable contributions by American Indians.
@RolandCuthbert I took that course and it included influence of every ethic and religious group. It was certantly not exclusive focused upon Europeans.
@monorprise Look, if you want to make that claim, do you. I don't know why you pretend that I should believe you. In grade school, we actually covered a bit of African-American history. In high school virtually none. I remember poem from Langston Hughes. Of course in college, there was an African-American studies course.
But everything else came from self-study after I was 30 years old. We didn't even cover this man's life.
Clean the spittoons, boy.
Detroit,
Chicago,
Atlantic City,
Palm Beach.
Clean the spittoons.
The steam in hotel kitchens,
And the smoke in hotel lobbies,
And the slime in hotel spittoons:
Part of my life.
Hey, boy!
A nickel,
A dime,
A dollar,
Two dollars a day.
Hey, boy!
A nickel,
A dime,
A dollar,
Two dollars
Buy shoes for the baby.
House rent to pay.
Gin on Saturday,
Church on Sunday.
My God!
Babies and gin and church
And women and Sunday
All mixed with dimes and
Dollars and clean spittoons
And house rent to pay.
Hey, boy!
A bright bowl of brass is beautiful to the Lord.
Bright polished brass like the cymbals
Of King David’s dancers,
Like the wine cups of Solomon.
Hey, boy!
A clean spittoon on the altar of the Lord.
A clean bright spittoon all newly polished—
At least I can offer that.
Com’mere, boy!
Langston Hughes, "Brass Spittoons"
@RolandCuthbert To expect such excessive focus and detail on relatively insignificant figures and events in a school course is expecting too much of goverment funded schools.
The courses in school i took did speak of figures of every ethic group but only in exaggerated proportions of contribution necessary to for mention in the abridged overall story said school course told.
@monorprise Maybe you guys need to huddle up and discuss some things and figure out what your point is.
I thought you guys were pretending you were forced to learn African-American History.
Anyway, my point is not many folks are taught a fraction of African-American History. In fact, most barely even get exposure to MLK outside of "content of my character and not the color of my skin" quote.
It is a privilege that you don't have to know African-American History. You can successfully navigate society as a non-"Black" person with no knowledge of African-American contributions.
But for African-American children, it is a must. And there are other non-"Black" folks who feel they need access to that history also. Just as I wanted the young folk in my family to understand American Indian History, Latino-American History, Asian-American History, along with the standard "White" American History we all get.
But I was not making a point that you should learn it.
It isn't important to you. So why would you? But it is weird to pretend someone forced you to learn something you are totally ignorant of.
@RolandCuthbert You are in fact dealing with a diverse range of circumstances, many were in fact forced into courses on race based history just as many were not so forced.
I merely maintain that I was not so compelled nor offered a similarly focused coarse on European-American history.
That said most Americans learn soo little history and geography that in many states they cannot even find themselfs on a map, nor tell anyone why almost anything is the way it is.
This is more a progressive failure of our education system to motivate and educate than anything else.
Perhaps in no small party because a great many such schools are too focused upon the color of a mans skin rather than the content of his head.
Regardless the idea of race-based history is absurd in that history does not take place in a vacume and to exclude the larger story is to ignore the whole story.
@monorprise What diverse range of circumstances? Again, these claims are just fiction.
And the proof is in the pudding. You don't know Langston Hughes, right? You don't know Gwendolyn Brooks. You don't know Phillyis Wheatley.
Your argument appears to be that you were forced to learn about these authors, but you forgot. But somehow retained the knowledge of EE Cummings (one of my favorites, "Grasshopper"), Edgar Allen Poe (The Tale Tell Heart), and Jack London (Call of the Wild).
I am just saying maybe that is the definition of being disingenuous.
I am not here making the case for American ignorance. If people choose ignorance that is their God-given right. I fight pretty hard along with my those in my community for the children to learn proper American History and Literature. We fight to have a well-rounded education. I didn't get that. But I did ensure the young folks in my community received that opportunity.
Your term "race-based history" is nonsensical. Races are not cultures. They do not have histories, customs or beliefs.
A race is a constructed classification based upon the shifting, biased opinions within a given society. I suggest you read up on the term.
@RolandCuthbert If someone is to give a brief summery of the history of a country they will preference list the major events and political leaders who made the major choices in said place. Next on the list would be the major cultural influences guiding the people who elected and served under said leaders and to explain that someone would pick the most popular believes, writing, folklore, and music of said place.
To instead deliberately focus upon the more obscure on the basis that it happens to consist only of a particular ethicist is not an honest summery of history. As it leaves the reader with an impression that theses influences were in somewhat dominate.
@monorprise Nothing in your resembles logic or rational thinking. I took a course on American literature in high school. I took a course on American History, European History. . .
There was no way to choose Asian, Latin or African History. There was no Indigenious History.
Your classification of that as being obscure is weird. Since the vast majority of the people on this planet are not “White” or European. World History should reflect that.
As for the contributions to American society. No one is saying to exclude the contributions of “Whites”. We merely include the contributions of non-“Whites”. The fact that you feel it is obscure is irrelevant. I can recite the contributions of European-Americans better than you. . . and most people at GaG.
I just have an additional advantage since I engaged in learning about non-“White” contributions after college. But the young folks of my community even have advantages over me.
For us, it is important since they will be dealing with people who are neither “Black” nor “White”. It is important to have skills to navigate a multicultural society. If you don’t value those skills, well. . . you can’t blame issues with acclimated or anyone but yourself.
Sorry for the mishmash on that last sentence.
"If you don't value those skills well, you can't blame your issues on becoming integrated into a multicultural society on anyone but yourself".
The point is just as people need to understand your culture, you are going to need skills to understand other people's cultures.
1. The "Florida AP African-American studies course" is not a Florida course. It is a new course proposed by the College Board and available nationally.
2. The course is also not a "Florida" course because DeSantis annouced that the state wold not allow this course to be taught in public schools because it advances a particular woke ideology and indoctrination.
Never was. It was a proposal that got rejected.
2: You can teach whatever you want in Florida, you just can't ask the Florida tax payers to pay for it if its not agreeable to them.
@monorprise No, we have laws regulating what can be taught in public schools.
@OlderAndWiser A public school is defined as a school funded by the public treasury.
The idea that the state would give any money much less such a large amount along with access to the people's children without very strict limits upon how such money and power is used is a terrifying level of abuse.
Public schools should be limited to teaching only what a super-majority if not all of the public can agree to. Given the inherently unethical nature of taking other people's children against the will of the people who made them naturals i tend toward requiring 100% consent.
Thus logically we need school vouchers to let parents withdraw all together in favor of an option that meets their specifications
Nobody thinks about the Greeks and Romans during those times, and if you look at the history channel, it’s very very open if you know what I mean
In ancient times there was universal agreement that heterosexual families were important. There were no idiots talking about making 2 men or 2 women parents to a kid. Secondly, a boy could not become a man without earning the right by hard work & earning the respect of his father who had the authority to declare whether the child was an adult or not. You had to be rough & responsible... to get anywhere near being viewed as a man. Today we have a (western) world full of soft people who's biggest challenge in life is whether random strangers agree with their opinion/identity or not.
As far as the Romans, you could call some of their sexual escapades homosexual, but I don’t think most were homosexuals as we know them today.
In Roman society sleeping with men or women was no concern. What was of major concern was who did the penetrating in both homosexual and heterosexual sex. The one being penetrated and used for pleasure was looked down upon. There are also instances of gay marriage in the Roman Empire but they are sparse. Nero married 2 men if I’m not mistaken.
For a male to act flamboyantly it was greatly frowned upon. Roman men were to be tough and display virtue and valor. It was a patriarchal and military society geared towards conquest. I doubt much of the homosexual sex had anything to do with love and more to do with getting their rocks off. Lesbianism, we have very few records of.
If they were purely homosexual and not just willing to stick it in whatever hole was available, then they were certainly butch Johns. Their flavor of homosexuality was not the soft, sensitive flamboyant type and doing such things was not made a show of either. These things went against the Roman concept of a vir (man).
Truly this aspect of Roman society repulsed me. I was glad to hear Emperor Constantine basically made homosexuality and male/male prostitution and male sex slaves basically illegal.
Mighty Rome eventually righted its self.
@Exterminatore I’m only thinking about the history of a lot of society and there’s actually more culturally better more sexually fluid in the world that we don’t know then we do that’s the point that I was trying to make. People love to tear down cultures because of what sexual orientation they decide to do or not do but the point of history is what did they do to have a place in it? How did they build and create different task to make the world that we have now not what is sexual orientation
It’s almost like the whole movie about the either the president or a dignitary in Great Britain maybe it was J Edgar some thing why does it matter that’s the real question
Thank you
@Justneedtokno - kindly go back to school sweetie & see if you can graduate from high school this time around.
Greek & Romans sexually abused younger boys and men. Young boys were sold into slavery to the upper social ranks and/or sold into the army by their families in which they were used for sexual relations because the military soldiers were generally NOT allowed to have women while in service or at war except for prostitutes or in battle whatever women happened to survive a village attack.
Similarly having a boy or young man for sex was a lot safer for married men in the upper social ranks than bothering with a prostitute or another woman and worrying about the reprecusions.
Ancient Greek & Romans had a very interwoven hierarchy and someone with a prostitute could lose everything. Particularly, as was often case, his wife came from a high end of society group. If her family happened to be of higher status than his own, insult was such it could be death for him.
@BigWhiteWolf87 it’s cute that you’re trying to insult me when I already insinuated the sexual history of that time.
@Justneedtokno - no you haven't dimwit. You implied it was concenusal & open by choice. Do you comprehend what sexual abuse is.
@BigWhiteWolf87 no one implied that it was consensual only you. Nope
@Bigwhite
You’re partially correct about what you said but not entirely.
It is absolutely true pedestry was practiced by both the Greeks and Romans. In Roman society they called them puer which means boy in Latin. Typically they were abused sexually until they were at the age when they started growing body hair. A slave in Roman society had 0 rights. Women were also sexually abused and sold into sex slavery, far more than young boys.
An adolescent boy wouldn’t be able to withstand the training the legions went through, nor most of their daily duties. Most professional soldiers of today would not keep up in a legion. Being clubbed to death by the fustuarium was often the penalty for those failing at their duties. The fustuarium was a long club with a ball on it. If a soldier fell asleep on his watch for example, that could well be the punishment meaded out.
They were not sold into the Roman army however. Homosexuality was strictly forbidden in the Roman army. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. War rape was a frequent occurrence with whomever they were fighting against. For a period of about 200 years, Starting with Agustus soldiers were not allowed to marry, they were allowed to keep slaves however, which were undoubtedly used sexually.
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I did and do. In time, teacher unions must be eliminated and all curriculum decisions made on a local basis. From the 60's onward, teacher unions have been part of the thrust to dismantle America. DeSantis and others must learn (and are) to ignore accusations of racism and its label companions and do what they think is right. If people don't like it, they can move to Cal, NY, Oregon or Washington state.
First off @Dargil I was truly planning on leaving this question entirely alone due to the fact that I knew without a doubt that I’d be subjected to this stupid shit. I want you to be aware of that.
Here are some things I need to know after that as well as a couple you probably ought to know as well.
First, and probably tied for most important… you did and do know that the “Florida AP African American studies course” requires you to learn about queer theory? How on earth would you possibly have that kind of incredible intellect? It’s not fucking fair that you got all the brains while I got nothing. Let’s break this down. You’re so god damn intelligent that you are aware of material that isn’t even in a course in Florida, even though it’s already been shot down by Dumbsantis and never had been taught for a single day in Florida schools. Then here I am thinking that the facts were facts and shit, like an idiot. Would you ever be willing to share some of your secrets with me? I mean you Must have a trick of some kind for having so much in that brain, right?
Because it’s either you’ve got some wicked trick to smartyness…. or….. or……. or……..
Or you literally are too damn dumb to bother to take even a single second to think about maybe just googling something before you declare it as an absolute and unquestionable fact that you ‘did and do’ know in an attempt to seem…... smart…when the reality is that you either heard that from Fox News or OAN or q anon (don’t even try to hide it. We all see it) and so you just automatically bought into it.
Obviously it can’t be the second one. So what’s the trick? I have to know. Please? I’m still feeling super jealous. That leads us to part two, and I know that to covet things others have is like a bad thing to do and it’s like a sin and shit, so I’m gonna just come right out and tell you what it is that I find myself covering that you have and maybe we can find a way to fix it cause I don’t want to sin too much and wind up in hell just cause I’m stupid. So here, I’ll just rip the band aid off.
My jealousy is entirely centered upon how you are able to make such completely and totally unaware, ignorant, tone deaf, and overall humiliating statements but then still show your face in public afterwards. If at 32 I claimed we needed to eliminate teachers unions and then come up with curriculum that is made ‘on a local basis’ (whatever the fuck that even means to begin with) because they’re part of the thrust to dismantle America.
PLEASE PROVIDE ME WITH A SINGLE FACT THAT ACTUALLY SUPPORTS THAT STATEMENT. JUST ONE. ILL BE SATISFIED. I JUST NEED ONE SINGLE SOLITARY VERIFIABLE FACT THAT SUPPORTS ANY OF THAT GARBAGE THAT YOU WROTE. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A TEACHERS UNION IS? OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE HEARD THE TERM, but do you know what they actually do?
Lemme guess, you “did and do”. Right?
Wonderful. Great. Moving on.
So your solution to the problem that it seems that you completely and totally made up and have no factual basis to support is to make stupid mistakes such as claiming that since the 1960s or so (literally 30 years or so prior to your birth, mind you) these pesky teachers and their unions have been trying to destroy America.
Bro you too funny. Why would teachers need to do that? Or want to? Literally they risk their lives daily to help the kids they have in class and they interact with daily to have the best chance to succeed in their lives. Ohhh and they do it for shit wages, no respect, and dipshits trying to say they’re trying to dismantle America because they’re part of a union so they can protect what few rights they do have as a collective of workers. And as if that weren’t good enough I am assuming that you will replace them with…..
Ummm…:
Maybe like you’ll teach the kids class after removing the people who are qualified to do so? I bet that will wind up perfect. There’s no way these kids won’t have real world success with the strategy you employ or not reading Jack shit and just trying to say something in a confident way because you heard it on tv. Somehow Florida may manage to become even more of a national embarrassment. Can’t wait.
I’m not even going to bother addressing the “ignore accusations of racism and it’s label companions” because I am of the belief that even you aren’t dumb enough to believe that what you said there was okay in any way, as well as entirely not racist to begin with. I say that knowing full well that you apparently are not, for the record, no matter how much I wish for that to be.
Last thing, after all your dumb shit statements about culture war nonsense I’m sure you felt like you just owned whoever it was you were talking to when you tell them to move elsewhere. You didn’t. That’s an ignorant statement to try to use as an argument. Because I feel you’re unaware I’m going to show you exactly why that’s not a winning strategy (much like everything else you said but I’ll just show you in this instance and you can do some soul searching later.
Okay so you just said your brilliant line to me and told me to move to Cal, NY, Oregon, or Washington state. It came out perfect. Just like you’d practiced for hours last night. You’re sure that you’ve got me now. The look of sheer pride you have is almost making others uncomfortable. The crowd that had gathered wonders whether I’ll just off myself right then and now.
Everyone is on pins and needles to see what I may say, or what I may do, just praying it doesn’t wind up starting an all out war in these streets.
I turn and I look at you dead in your face, starting into your eyes I try to find any signs of intelligent life to cling to and I fail so I go with the only thing I possibly can, and I walk towards you, and as I pass by I stop the moment our bodies are closest and I say to you………..
“No. You move.”
And you shit your pants. Literally shit everywhere as you finally come to learn that your lifelong go to for winning arguments was never a winning strategy at all. I’m so sorry to have to be that person who ruins it for you.
All that to say; your brazen ignorance and lack of care to ascertain any has cause me to have a headache. Your opinions are wrong. They’re dangerous. They’re hateful. You should be ashamed.
I THOUGHT i sensed insults, but I wasn't sure. I thought it was a Karen feigning blue. Nothing is worth getting that pissed off about. Thinking @darealmvp2015 forgot her medicine this morning
yea and I really want to understand the mathematics of queer theory. Maybe it should be hormonal theory?
Trump and Desantis and others... are so right, take over the educational system, now!
I'd have to see the details to know what they are pushing, but good grief...
When I was in school, we had math, science, p. e., English, generic US history, elective art, elective woodworking, elective home economics, elective job training, and recess.
We didn't have cultural or ethnic studies, sexual orientation studies, or language classes.
We could also bring peanut butter to school, and no one shot anyone despite gun ownership being far less strict and way less people being "medicated"
Dude are you for real? The most notorious school shooting of all time took place when you would have been in school. But sure. We can just pretend columbine wasn’t a thing.
@darealmvp2015 That did not happen at my school, and that was extremely rare in schools in general at the time, to the point of otherwise being unheard of, which is why its so notorius, whereas now its approaching commonplace, so your point is moot.
It's not surprising in the least. Highly ideological leftists think everything should be infested with their propaganda, and they think their propaganda is "education", whereas everything else is "white supremacy" or the product of it. These are the same crazies telling us that mathematics is "racist".
I learned queer theory in a class at a private conservative university. It's a good thing to know about, even if you don't think it's "good." It's like any other theory. If you're totally ignorant you won't be able to participate in discourse as well—not just discourse about that but about anything it involves. You'll be out of the loop if you don't know the general theories out there.
It's a lot of identifying social structures and fluidity in human nature. In literature, you may read a character who is outside of some social norm (maybe a penguin who dances when everyone else sings, as a random example). He would be "queer" in that sense, and you see how he is portrayed and whether he ends up conforming to the norm, or society ends up making room for his being outside the norm. Tjis is a way you can learn how the writer and society at the time thought about people breaking social structures and whether they saw humanity as adaptable and fluid or set in a rigid structure.
You mean one of the common definitions of "queer"? Yes, it is "weird." But that's not what we're talking about. Maybe you do need school to teach you the difference between a simple definition of a word and a whole theory of criticism that's named after that word.
If rude farts had real historical significance, then maybe there would be a class about them. Again, just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you shouldn't learn about it. A lot of kids read about Marxism in basic philosophy classes. That doesn't mean they are taught Marxism is good. But it is historical, and significant enough in history to be taught. You may never meet a Marxist in your life and you may never meet a queer person. But you're very likely to encounter people who use Marxist or queer theory reasoning, even if they don't call it that. Like you said some of the points seem like common sense. Because they are commonly used. Queer theory isn't isolated to discussion about sexuality any more than Marxism is isolated to discussion about politics.
"Queer theory" is a tool you can learn to use, and choose whether or not you use it. If you think it is indoctrination just to know how something you disagree with works, then you will never learn anything in life. Goodbye
"Queer theory is a way of thinking that dismantles traditional assumptions about gender and sexual identities. The field emerged from sexuality studies and women's studies. Queer theorists analyze gender and sexuality as socially and culturally constructed concepts."
Yeah, that's straight up brainwashing dude. Don't bullshit me.
Ya, it's a way of thinking. It makes assumptions and challenges, just like any other theory. And you can choose whether or not to apply it. Just like any other theory...
I don't know why you think I'm lying. At this point I really think this is just a you issue, since you clearly don't understand what a theory is, or how they are taught.
"Teaching people to" no. Teaching people *how* to. Like. Any. Other. Theory. I literally can't say it any simpler for you.
"If they study that perspective enough" there, so you do understand. Thank goodness. I'm glad we finally agree.
Ironically, maybe I do need to, but I'm not gonna. My parents taught me how to wipe, like most people's parents do. Kids do need to be taught about hygiene. They don't automatically know how to clean themselves fully or efficiently. Parents teach kids how to use a toilet, wash their hair, brush their teeth, etc. Basic things. Not a high school level complexity. But it's not like eating or breathing, it does need to be taught a little bit at the age when you ought to learn how.
My god…if DickSantis said it, it must be true! Oh wait, the curriculum is right here…
Whole thing is just a racket for demoralizing and weakening an entire group that the Edomite Mafia deems fit for extinction, by pushing degeneracy any way possible. Normalizing and sanctifying the never-normal and never-holy.
imagine an employer paying you money because you understand queer theory
Queer theory? Like what? I'm not aware of any theory of homosexuality. There's three history of persecution of homosexuals in the US and v workers, but that's not a theory, it's just history.
It's college students who should be mad, they are the ones who pay for this BS. This is why college tuition is too high.
so florida teaches ideology instead of science? at that point, why even go to university?
just kidding. everyone knows univiersities are indoctrination camps. i've been to one, so i know this first hand.
So it’s educationally important to learn about sexual degenerates now? Terrific academic value there. These things don’t belong in school.
I did know this. The course was being used as a Trojan Horse.
They don't need to allow that Sneaky Behavior in Classrooms.
queer theory doesn't have anything to do with African studies. At least you won't learn much African history in that department.
What a load of 💩.
Schools are indoctrination factories.
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