Understanding the actual purpose and studies of critical race theory

[Msputiton]

Critcal race theory helps to educate how laws in America helped to shape our country today. So let's discuss this.

Ok so it is obvious and clear what slavery was about. We do not need an education on this. It was a horrific and a horrible thing. But what happened after slavery, this is where things get swept under the rug.

How did America view the lost of their slaves?

Well simple. Many said wow we lost our property, we lost our pets. Now we have our pets freely walking around trying to pretend to be our equals.

We must create laws to keep them under control or they will over run us.

First thing they decided. They do not want their children to go to school, or have the same equal education.

So they decided black people were not good enough and did not belong in a white school.

Conditions of white schools compared to black schools far different. The learning materials far less. So impact white people have a superior education, while black people were under educated.

Laws about jobs. Yes there were laws in place prohibiting the hiring of "coloreds" basically if the job was a job that slaves used to do, this was the only jobs they were eligible to hire.

Then they thought about the fact that they might have to live with black people. They could not have this. So they created laws that black people had to live in designated towns, and they were the least desirable conditions, that no white person would want to live in.

Yes these signs and warning were posted. What happened if they were out pass cerfew? Arrests, lynchings and even murders.

Ok this isn't the end of it so then they thought about having to share facilities with us.

As you can see a far more appealing drinking fountain than the ones provided to black people

Yes slaves weren't set free. They were still slaves by the laws in place to keep the slaves enslaved.

So well that was a long time ago right. Was it really?

Martin Luther king jr marched on Washington in 1963. That is during my grandparents childhood. And the march only begun to make people think about what was happening needed to change.

1964 civil rights act passed.

But barely anything changed so 1972 the equal employment act passed.

It wasn't until 1987 that the civil rights restoration act passed that said business that were receiving federal funds must follow the civil rights act. Basically meaning the civil rights act was not being followed or enforced. So up till 1987 business were freely and opening refusing hiring of black people with no repercussions.

So yeah my parents were both of school age when these laws were in place.

So you think laws in place prohibiting black people the same simple right to get a job, or a proper education or home didn't make life harder for black people to be successful?

You think the laws who allowed white people to murder any black people they wanted to wasn't something that held our progress back?

Do you think black people had the same rights as white people after slavery, with incidents like black wallstreet happened and lake laneer with no white people arrested for their actions?

Both incidents were black ran towns, and very successfully ran. White people took offense to this, and murdered the entire town and than claimed it as their own.

Black wallstreet they went as far as to get their crop dusters create homemade bombs and fly over the town dropping bombs on it, and anyone left alive was murdered.

So critical race theory speaks about how these laws shaped racial struggles in America and how today there are still impact on the black community with climbing out of a hole created by first over a hundred years of slavery, and another hundred years of being enslaved by separate laws preventing us the same opportunities as white people.

Basically it looks at a very uncomfortable truth in America that has been downplayed, and dismissed.

It shows how starting us off as slaves, actually carried on after being freed because for most Americans they could and still cannot see us, as nothing more than property that should never have been taken from them.

So yes these laws have impact in society today, because we are starting to get the equal opportunities as other Americans.

Also what other impacts do see. Many white Americans complain about black history month. These laws helped create this.

White Americans did not want to acknowledge our history. So they excluded it. So it was asked to included and after lots of push back and negotiating the agreement was made, we will not include black history in US history instead we will give you 1 month to learn about it but with restrictions to what can be taught.

HBCU laws prevented black people to go to college with white people so black people had to find their own education by creating colleges that allowed black people to go to college.

Affirmative action well do i really need to explain this? We weren't allowed the same employment opportunities and when it was ruled to take that law away, they basically continued it but less openly.

So modern day, laws and restrictions for hundreds of years of only allowing white males to assume positions of power, has created an advantage, I don't care what race, or gender you are. Nobody is going to willingly share the power they created.

So are we behind from the laws that held us back? Yes? Are we catching up? Yes? But if were given the same opportunities after slavery would America look the same? Would the current layout in employment, crime living conditions have the same outcome?

No. We have proven in the last 20 years that we are more than capable as being equal to any other race in America, we show that we are gaining ground on the areas that we were purposely held back, by laws. But it will take more than one generation to fix something that hundreds of years broke

[Sixgunsound]

If the Democrat party would depart from its KKK roots, Jim Crow Era policies, things would have changed for the better a lot sooner. Mississippi burning was in... a Democrat state at the time? Oklahoma was... a Democrat state at the time? President Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat, created the welfare state to destroy the black family, which at the time was more likely to have children in wedlock than white families and fathers stuck around longer than white fathers dyatisticakky, for the purpose of, in his own words, "to keep those N words voting Democrat for the next 200 years". Frederick Douglass: Republican. Malcolm X: Republican. Martin Luther King: Republican. Booker Washington: Republican. President in1987: Republican. Why do any black people ever vote Democrat? It's almost like the party that controls all the deliberately failing schools in large urban areas designed to hold black people down are trying to hide these facts. The Democrat party needs a permanent dependent class that it can count on to keep voting for welfare and keep believing all the race baiting that it lives and dies by. The Democrat party controls all the propaganda outlets in education, entertainment, and mainstream media, and wields these weapons against black people to keep as many as possible angry at white people and blaming all white people for the situation the Democrat party has created. If you want to be angry in a useful and constructive manner, get angry at the group which controls all the institutions that make up the body of 'institutional racism' and stp voting for or in any way supporting or propping up the people who work day and night to hold you back. You have power and talents and rights that Democrats won't let you use, stop empowering them!

[Msputiton]

I agree. And here is more to the point of how important accuracy of the history being taught to children is. Because we vote for a party that still plays games, with lies and manipilations because we were never properly taught how they did this to us in the past.

[Sixgunsound]

Eric July is standing up to big comic entertainment like DC and Marvel by creating a new black character not recycling someone else's work. I bought his first book and can't wait till the next one goes on sale. He has some great insights into Libertarianism, which is honestly where it's at since the globalist uniparty of thieves cheats and frauds isn't going to do anything. Third parties are really whats needed to realizeca better America for EVERYONE. Can you answer me honestly who did more for the black community between Obama and Trump? I realize the honest answer might be difficult to swim upstream against the near constant propaganda blasts to, but there it is.

[Sixgunsound]

Trump is essentially a third party as even the party he ran as hates him and is doing everything it can to ruin him and his supporters.

[Sixgunsound]

The civil rights act would have passed in the previous decade of the Democrat party did not unite to shoot it down. Senators Kennedy and Johnson (of later 1960's presidential fame) voted down the Eisenhower Civil Rights act in the late 1950's so that the Democrat party could attempt to rebrand itself as the party for black people by denying a Republican president the credit for its passage. This attempt was ultimately successful in the minds of voters, and black Americans are still paying the price for this Democrat trick. Something tells me this tidbit of Democrat history is not taught in schools, especially not in districts which would benefit the most from hearing it.

[Vegasrunner]

@Sixgunsound People always use this excuse to ignore the fact that people not parties are making decisions. Many of the same people that were democrats shifted to the Republican party 60-70 years ago. Labeling the ideogies of the parties as the same as that time is pretty ignorant. Also Republicans have exponentially fewer people of Color in office so the actions don't line up w/ your beliefs.

[Sixgunsound]

@Vegasrunner remember when Larry Elder tried to unseat a white man in California and was slurred as the black face of white supremacy?

[Vegasrunner]

@Sixgunsound I remember his campaign but he was never going to unseat GN. I don't remember any white supremacy slurs, but I can understand them. Elder was an unqualified media personality, and a puppet for Republicans who naively believe that Black Americans are a homogeneous group. However that doesn't answer the question as to why there are so disproportionately fewer people of color in the Republican party vs Democratic party.

[Sixgunsound]

@Vegasrunner as sole owner of the nation's propaganda mills (schools, legacy media, social media, etc.) the left is very good at brainwashing. It is also good at extortion and domestic terrorism and manufacturing learned dependence among groups its leadership considers beneath themselves. If you purposely hold a group down with sub par education and undesirable living conditions and very little political power with few exceptions, what do you expect that group's voting patterns to be when they have a choice of vote Democrat or social services such as food housing and utilities go away? The sheer diabolical evil involved in that level of extortion has seldom been equaled.

[Vegasrunner]

@Sixgunsound If that was true you would expect people to vote against you. In reality it's simply a backhanded right win racist comment. Taking the position that people of color are to stupid to recognize that they're voting for a party that is actually against them. I've never believed in that position because the reality doesn't hold up. Republicans never seem to be able to answer what it is that they do better, their position always seems to be like yours, which is simply based on slurs of the opposition. While that may make you feel better, I wouldn't and no intelligent person should vote for a part w/out a tangible defined platform, that fact that you can't articulate one proves that Republicans don't have one and that you in fact may be the individual being brainwashed. Remember it's Republicans who have always been the one to nominate celebrities and TV personalities as their leaders, as you have shown.

[Sixgunsound]

@Vegasrunner I don't expect people to vote for me as I'm not running for office. I would be very surprised if they did. Just because you tell the lie about which party has a substantive platform and which doesn't often enough, it doesn't become true Herr Goebbels.

[Pleebody21]

Not sure when you wrote this but you are absolutely correct at the start. Shortly after he started some of those who despised him started to see his results. Others chose not to be around and retired. 15 or so decided to wait him out as "Washington" does. Sure wish he'd stayed. It will be the most difficult task to turn around the damage done these past 2.5 years.
Sorry kids. My generation blew it for you.

[Vegasrunner]

@Sixgunsound Lol, I don't mean you specifically, I mean you in general. There's no lie, as you yourself can't articulate on positive that the Republican provides people of color, like most you're message is the other guy I worst. While I understand that that may convince a big percentage of people as Americans are generally dumb, you're not going to be able to shift voters of color to your side w/ that position.

[Sixgunsound]

@Vegasrunner employment numbers, home ownership, real wages? I invite you to look into the works of Sowell, Williams, and Elder for the benefits to African Americans of leaving the Democrat plantation. GAG has a character limit but books and articles do not. Happy reading!

[Vegasrunner]

@Sixgunsound They preach hypotheticals w/out any tangible benifits of the party.

[Sixgunsound]

@Vegasrunner If they have anything more to go on than you ain't black unless you vote for me i'd say thats an improvement it's still a better offer than generations of welfare slavery.

[Vegasrunner]

@Sixgunsound You're kinda validating my point. Your position doesn't provide any real value in the Republican party but attempts to devalue your opposition, these only highlights the lack of value your party or product has. It also shows intelligence from AA voters as they have rejected a party that doesn't provide any benifit to them.

[Sixgunsound]

@Vegasrunner cool story bro.

[Vegasrunner]

@Sixgunsound Thanks, glad I could help

[Sixgunsound]

Thanks for MHO

[Fuentes]

Yeah in the 80's is when everything really became free & then they threw drugs in the hood just to fund proxy wars in South America to Keep Russia Communism out to battle the cold war & Russian influence in South America and used drugs and weapons to do it and peddled that income through the hoods.

Once the US abolished the Soviet Union in the 90's, we have these dummies like Biden and Hilary who built then anti crime bill in 94 & called the young blacks "Super Predators" & locked up tons of black men & had a lot on the streets drugged out. Even though the GOV & CIA openly knew about what they caused in black neighborhoods Gangs, Drugs & shootings but it was all good as long as it was black & brown neighborhoods affected and they could get rid of Russia near our border.

So really if you ask me blacks were not really able to really get it until the 2000's fully. Because in the 80's and 90's all thriving black communities were all affected by the drugs and weapons trades during that time.

[Msputiton]

And you are completely right.

I left that part out because eventhough government and i believe it was the CIA? But can't remember which federal branch was responsible for this.
It technically was not a law on books, so i couldn't include it in this particular mytake.

But you noticed how i said the last 20 years?

That was the reason. They completely tried to stop our progress by pumping drugs in our neighborhoods.

[Fuentes]

Yup that's why I added it in lol it was actually just declassified a few years ago which is Why shoes like Narcos & Narcos: Mexico & Snowfall and the movie American Made could all be released and talked about in American films & shows. Which today anyone can do a FOIA and do a freedom of information act request and request the declassified files but it's out there that during the Jimmy Carter and Ronald Regan Era of Presidents 39 & 40. They were well. inolved with the CIA in the proxies war in South America. When they got caught the CIA kept it quiet and used the poverty neighborhood of blacks that were once thriving beforehand, and threw drugs & weapons in.

Which is why when the BPP tried to stop the BS and fight back agaisnt it, they black balled them and called them terroist & kept doing it because it was for the greater good for America as long as they destabilize the Soviet Union & the to clean up the mess they created they used mass incarcerations in the 90s lol

[Msputiton]

Yup all this is true. And the impact drugs have had on black communities have been far worst than anything i have stated.
From creating crack babies to the addictions that tore families and lives apart.
It is really a messed up reality of how far America went to hinder us, and not care about our lives and families.

[Msputiton]

Here is a story you might not know. I can't remember which war it was but it was either ww1 or 2.
But black American soldiers and white American soldiers were at a British village.
The white American soldiers walked into a pub. They were outraged to see white British men serving black American soldiers as if they were equals to whites.

So they demanded they kick them out.
The pub refused to do so and kicked the white soldiers out.
The white soldiers came back and opened fire on the village. The black soldiers and the villagers had to have a shootout with their own unit for eating with white men
Basically we were good enough to die for our country, but not good enough to eat with them

[Fuentes]

Yes they're many stories like that In the military back then just like the Tuskegee fighters they gave them shitty equipment and never let them do much and yet when they finally got time, they fucked the nazi's up and just like in Vietnam in Saigon they had It segregated hahaha like one side was white and the other was black even the SVA could bit understand it at all.

But when they fought together it changed everything but still it was always the weirdest thing. My grandpa was in a all black infantry unit in Korea and he said they were forced on thr front lines and were slaughtered by the Koreans my grandpa hid under dead bodies and as they were checking them he got saved by a white unit. But a lot of his friends would still be alive if they would have just allowed they to all fight together as one. But that's just how fucked up our country was back then.

[Msputiton]

See sadly that makes sense knowing the mentality they had back then. Send the people they care the least about to die for them.
Is your grandfather still alive?

[Fuentes]

Yes he is still alive to this day lol

[Jennz6]

Everyone should know about this. Is that what is being taught in schools now? I don’t know because I didn’t go to school? I’m glad you are telling us.

[Msputiton]

No it's what was proposed but they are trying to claim, it is propaganda to make white children to feel guilty for their ancestors actions

[Jennz6]

I think everyone should be aware of what our country did to the Black peoples, I am glad that you are sharing. I know a little bit but not everything that you just mentioned. I think it’s terrible.

[dustybiker]

Thank you for writing this.

Too much empty fear and handed down hate still out there, and in here.

[Msputiton]

Your welcome. There will always be weak people who can't handle the discussion of uncomfortable truths

[dustybiker]

Sadly true. Yes.

[Msputiton]

But i ain't make it for them.

[dustybiker]

Truth.

[Exterminatore]

So how is any of this related to CRT? You just stated history which was mostly correct. Everyone knows these things happened. It’s not new info.


On that note, there were no laws permitting killing blacks in the south after the Civil War ended. Blacks were simply murdered and the authorities looked the other way.


I will often see blacks cite white people, the government, systematic racism, slavery, Jim Crow laws and segregation for the reason the black community seems to struggle.


However I never see out of wedlock births, highest unemployment rates of any race, highest incarceration rates of any race, the fatherless epidemic in the black community, and STD’s among blacks mentioned as problems. It seems these things are not mentioned as they are current and do not leave an option for a scape goat. These are things blacks have done to themselves. Yet they will still drudge up past atrocities and act as if these things are still going on and blame those things for struggles in the black community.


Everything is always white peoples and the governments fault. Nothing is ever black peoples fault for their lot in life.


I am not denying Blacks have been treated horribly in America, but I think that’s long over now. The past cannot be changed. The future is where change will occur in meaningful ways when they as a whole make better decisions and take full responsibility for their lives and choices and stop blaming events that took place 70-300 years ago.

[Msputiton]

So how does events that took place up until 36 years ago The complete discrimination of hiring black people for any job of value continued until 1987.
How does laws preventing us a proper education, and employment, create poverty crime and unemployment, and higher single family households?
You don't see this?
Poor education set you up for failure and makes your children's chance of success lower because when your parents can barely read, they can't help you with school work, also when the teacher doesn't see you as an equal, they will not take the time to give you the same help as other students. So lower education equals less chance of college, feeling unwelcomed in school you turn to other outlets to make money. Seeing your parents not given any chance or hope trying things legally, because of their skin, while you see other people of your skin color being succesful by crime. As a youth impressions and childhood experiences create the man or woman you will grow up to be.
And when growing up if the life you see is. If you are black the only way for success is, crime, drugs, and sports. You will chose this path.
Crt explains how from America existing as acountry for 247 years and for 210 years laws and polices have been in place to create a country for black people to fail.
So yeah it makes an impact where we would have a far higher fail rate if the system has been setting us up to fail for 85% of Americas existence.
And if you think that your parents education and job doesn't help shape your life you are mistaken.
Yes my generation is the first one to get to take advantage of the opportunities not fully given to our parents and previous parents. But we still have schools in black communities that are underfunded compared to white schools.

[Exterminatore]

As a matter of fact, I do see it.

There is little doubt that prior to 1965 (I’m just using that year as a rough estimate) we’re held back in society. There is no doubt in my mind that once the mass importation of black slaves began until around 1965 that in some or all of the country impacted blacks negatively. I’d further more suggest that due to the length of time these discriminatory practices were in place it created generation after generation of blacks held in poverty. Furthermore I’d advocate that compensation be given to any who remain alive who were subject to the discrimination the government and state government allowed.

So I do see these thing. I acknowledge they happened, I acknowledge they were wrong, and I advocate restitution for the individuals who were directly impacted by said policies and laws.

However I disagree the discrimination continued as far as 1987.

That all said here is where I see a problem. It’s 2023. Not 1792, not 1834, not even 1965. Things have changed. These practices and laws are no longer tolerable and they never should have been. We are in a new era now. Yet I keep hearing these things mentioned as if they are currently in effect. As if they are currently factors. They are not.

There is no more systematic racism. What there is is a hypersensitivity to racism now. Except if that racism is directed against whites…then it’s fine.

I furthermore hear evil and wicked theories connected with CRT and woke ideology, that all white people are oppressors of all other races. Wasn’t it MLK who in his “I have a dream speech” said that he wanted his children to grow up in a nation where they are judged not by their skin color, but by the content of their character? I see with CRT all that is related to being black is shown as positive and all that is related to being white is negative.

I don’t think CRT and woke ideology and the rest are the answer.

[Exterminatore]

I think the answer is to directly compensate anyone who is alive who suffered under these laws and policies monitory compensation and a public acknowledgment of guilt on the part of those who did these things and an apology to the victims. From there it is to be understood that now everyone has equality both under the law and in reality, and therefore everyone is responsible for the outcome of their lives from that point forward. No more blaming white people or the government.

Then there are bizarre concepts connected to this type of doctrine. Like slave reparations. Yet, no one alive today was a slave.

There is the premise all white people are automatically born oppressors and racist at birth. Yet we ignore the hundreds of thousands of whites who died fighting in the Civil War to free the slaves.

This is where I have my problem. I haven’t oppressed anyone. I didn’t own slaves. I didn’t turn hoses on people or sick dogs on them. I didn’t make anyone have substandard educations. I didn’t write nor pass into legislation any Jim Crow laws. I didn’t and neither did almost every white person alive today. The guilty parties can be blamed. The innocent should not be. I find many racist theories in CRT and woke ideology. These do not serve blacks well. Rather they alienate people who might otherwise agree with blacks.

At the end of the day, we’re all responsible for our own lives and choices. I think what I’d like to see is blacks acknowledge at current time, many of their problems are created by themselves. Once responsibility can be taken, they will then be free to choose differently, but so long as someone else is always to blame there will be little change.

[Msputiton]

That is the real problem people have with CRT. Everyone against it thinks it's to shame and bully white people. It's not to make white people look bad.

It is to explain and understand there wasn't a clear cut, black people were just lazy after slavery ended and these laws have impacted society.
Again if you read the my take completely.
You would see I even said that now that these laws are not in place we have shown that we are capable of being equal and we have been achieving more and becoming more stable, morer
college graduates more successful business owners.
But there is this focus on y'all blame us for everything mentally.
I never once said y'all are still holding us down.
I said we are climbing out of a big hole created by hundreds of years of laws and slavery not allowing us simple rights.
It is a way to show that not everything is black people are just lazy.
Yes just like every race there are good and bad people.
Yes there are people who are there own worst enemy.
But there are some that still have been put into a situation that they can't pull themselves out of as well from this situation.
People who Still didn't get the chance they might have if the American history wasn't the same.
Yes current America may look very differently today without these laws

[Exterminatore]

I don’t think anyone is under the impression that slavery ended and blacks just went about being lazy. Most people are aware of the continued discrimination that went on. I know I leaned about it as early as 4th grade in school and that was not the last time the subject was going to be mentioned in school before I graduated high school.

I did read your my take completely and noticed you mentioned that.

So if we’re in agreement that America today is radically different for blacks, why is CRT necessary?

You mention these things are not to shame whites, but I didn’t notice you deny many of these doctrines do in fact state the things I mentioned. How is that helping anyone? It just creates an echo chamber where one black says: “this happened to me because of racism” and all others nod in agreement, and no one ever says: “this happened because of poor decision making?”

Everyone knows the history. Why do we need to keep reliving it? Why constantly mention it in the present as if it were the status quo?

Further more why spread racism against whites? I feel no shame for the past. I didn’t do any of it. I’ll save feeling sorry for faults I committed. In like fashion I own no one anything in regards to this matter. I didn’t own slaves, I didn’t turn fire hoses on them. I am not responsible. I don’t approve of those things now, I wouldn’t have if I were alive at the time the events occurred.

And why the taring down of the statutes of founding fathers because they owned slaves? I take no exception to taring down monuments to confederates. They rebelled in an unjust war and were defeated. There should be no memorializing their deeds in battle. Their cause was unjust and they should not be honored. However, the founding fathers for all their flaws are merely products of their time. This almost seems to be an attempt to rewrite history.

I also never hear the Irish or Jews or Italians mentioned who also suffered harsh discrimination in this country. Only blacks.

[Exterminatore]

I also never hear blacks condemn the Buffalo Soldiers. Freed slaves who joined the army. Certainly they were aware of the evils of racism, but that didn’t stop them from engaging in a war of virtual extermination of sone Indian tribes. So even the blacks hands are not so clean of racism.

Yet it’s the white man who is born an oppressor.

And people who believe these theories never stop to put their own racism in check.

I also never hear blacks discuss how every race and creed of people from the beginning of time took slaves and also became them.

White people were sold in the slave markets of the Ottoman Empire and bought by Arabs (brown skinned people). How is it then we arrive at the conclusion white people are born oppressors?

The Roman Empire at one time nearly had more slaves than free citizens. Roman slavery in many cases was far worse than American slavery, not that either are acceptable.

It also destroys the credibility of blacks who believe these things when we can turn on the evening news and see black people getting justice for Freddy, Trayvon, and George by stealing and arson. Very good, getting justice for Freddy Grey by stealing Nikes. How lovely to burn down someone’s home or business who had nothing to do with the George Floyd situation. Then in the same breath we want to discuss racism while feeling entitled to stealing the possessions of others. Do you think a guy who just had his business burned to the ground is interested in discussing the plight of blacks, and will take it seriously as he is told he’s white and therefore a born oppressor, but not the blacks who just burned his business up?

Nobody who holds your views is discussing these things and to make matters worse no one is condemning them. They just shrug and say: “oh well, blacks were once slaves so screw that guy and his business, I got no sympathy.”

[loveslongnails]

Good take. I have to admit, I find it sadly pathetic to read about people saying "I had to "re-think" my 'attitude' about CRT". For fuck's sake, you didn't understand it in the FIRST place, because if you HAD, you wouldn't have possessed an attitude about it. CRT is a very straightforward, question-posing, academic analysis of policies that took place in this country from essentially day one, and how it became ingrained in American politics and society.

The people who refused to try and understand what was being suggested are the same idiots who "think" it means "you should be ashamed to be white". White government has done an awful lot of shit to non-whites in this country, and refusing to even acknowledge it because "it makes me feel bad and it's in the past anyway", is a croc of shit. CRT, if nothing else, says "hey, we gotta talk about this because it's real, and it's not gonna fix itself". THAT'S what scares white folks like DeSantis and MTG, and most Republicans who ironically like to point out - "hey, it was MY party that wanted to abolish slavery!"

[Msputiton]

Agree. But it is what their politicians are telling them.

[loveslongnails]

The white politicians who use it to stir up fear and garner votes are using it as a rallying point against anyone non-white or anyone with a functioning brain. Not all politicians are touting this if you'll notice - it's the Republicans.

[CALIGVLA]

A critical analysis of our history in regards to the history of race relations in our country is not what bothers me.

What bothers me is the constant whining and revanchist sentiment from you liberal activists. It's almost always something like, "Wypipo bad, boo hoo gimme money!" I never hear you guys talk about SOLUTIONS.

Additionally, I'm really bothered by the stupid attitude of your fellow activists. They think we must support the DNC or else we're racist and all names under the sun. Many of them are narcissists and think they have a right to exert power over others (not gonna work with me, I'm a specialist at humbling people around me).

Black activists with rare exceptions (I'm feel sympathy for the African People's Socialist Party) have become the janissaries of the neoliberal system. Always ready to disrupt every worker class' attempt to unite itseld, always ready to take rich people's money while shitting on poor white people's heads. Such despicable cowardice!

Botton line is that most black activists are social climbers and CLASS TRAITORS!

[Msputiton]

So your bias is showing.
Because i kept it unbias. I stuck with facts.
I didn't complain and even agree things are equal now, and we just need to catch up from being put behind.
I am not a liberal infact or a protester.
I looked at it as a way to give a deeper education without anger towards anyone.
But instead you came in with this very soft sensitve attitude of feeling offended by black American history and only because i gave full detail about the struggles blacj Americans faced after slavery.
So the question is why are you so easily offended by American history?
It is a very woke attitude to get this upset by hearing real history.

[CALIGVLA]

"So your bias is showing"

Yes, I'm biased in favor of working class people. The same way you're biasedin favor of black people, be they rich, poor or middle class. You can relate much more to a billionaire black person than to a poor white person.

OUR BIASES ARE NOT EQUAL.

"Because i kept it unbias. I stuck with facts."

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I'll pretend I'll take you seriously. You have zero self-awareness...

"I am not a liberal infact or a protester"

So why are you parroting their talking points?

"I looked at it as a way to give a deeper education"

You need to educate *yourself* first before educating others.

"But instead you came in with this very soft sensitve attitude of feeling offended by black American history and only because i gave full detail about the struggles blacj Americans faced after slavery."

I was crystal clear about what bothers me, but unfortunately you can't rrad properly. 😕

If you are unable even to read properly, what makes you believe than you can "educate" others?

[Msputiton]

You are still whining about facts. My education is clear you never once rebuttalled anything in the mytake. And still haven't 🤷🏾‍♀️
You went on this crybaby rant about how unfair me speaking about American history upset you. Because you don't like this part of it
So again all i got is my facts and you crying and accusing me of incorrectly accusing me of being a liberal and activist.
Man up and accept some American history ia ugly and for over a hundred years laws were in place to hold down black people.
You saying educate yourself isn't an argument.
All you did was attack and deflect and try to change the focus of the conversation. Because if you have nothing to provide to the subject than i hate crt and liberals i see no reason to discuss anything with someone this emotionally weak
So enjoy your day.

[Fuentes]

@CALIGVLA lol so according to you history didn't happen? Because all she stated was history. Infact I dislike tons liberals abd SJW'S and anyone here can confirm that. But you're trying to deny history now? How can you go through your mind and call history people crying? Infact that's like saying those who talk about the revolutionary war thar created the US in 1776 & WW1 during the great depression when people were very broke & a lot were immigrant europeans here and treated like garbage until the 1940's after WW2 when the US became Rich. Would all be said to be crying

So by definition history bug you and upsets you because it did happen and it was documented and if you talk about your a liberal trying to force things on people?

[CALIGVLA]

"You are still whining about facts."

The only fact here is that you're a fucking reactionary and a class traitor.

"you never once rebuttalled anything in the mytake."

Not my problem if yoyr school didn't teach you reading skills and now you don't understand what you read.

"You went on this crybaby rant about how unfair me speaking about American history upset you."

You illiterate, I pointed out what bothers me in regards to today's black activism it has nothing to do with a critical analysis of our history.

Read it 500 times until you eventually understand it. Are you by any chance blonde? 😂

"accusing me of being a liberal and activist."

I'm not accusing you of being it, I'm accusing you of parroting their talking points.

"Man up and accept some American history ia ugly and for over a hundred years"

Oh, really, Sherlock Holmes? While you throw a tantrum, our government is spreading chaos, death and misery somewhere in the Global South. And stealing other people's wealth. Do you wanna talk about that to me?

[Fuentes]

@msputiton yeah this guy is just offended by history clearly I think he should focus his energy on building a time machine and maybe going back in time to fix it if he's this upset it infact did happen.

[Msputiton]

@Fuentes 🤣🤣it's hilarious isn't it.
He still trying to argue it is made up🤣
@CALIGVLA i do talk about the issues you brought up. But i commonsense to not talk about a subject that has nothing to do with the current subject, that is called deflection

[CALIGVLA]

@Fuentes Pointless talks about "history" don't fill anyone's belly. People want solutions not lectures.

[Fuentes]

@msputiton he's upset history happen & he can't argue it out of existence. Yet you talked about history & why blacks are still catching up in this country. But he wants to deny history and blame current politics about force of talking points? So in other words history should not be taught & we should be a communist & fascist country and ignore everything else & pick and choose what should be talked about and what should not.

This guy clearly supports censorship.

[Fuentes]

@CALIGVLA thank you for admitting you're agaisnt history & talks about it. Which is certainly censorship. So you admit you support communism and want to control narratives. You can argue a solution but this post wasn't about a solution to an issue this was just someone talking about history & you clearly are offended by it. So you want everyone to shut up.

Well Sir I'm gonna suggest you get yourself a first class ticket to China, North Korea or even Iran because we don't do communism over here. Which is why this country became a country in 1776. Because not even the queen could censor our people, so you should just pack your bags & hit the road jack.

[Msputiton]

My talking points have come from a long hard studying of my own research. Of American history. I don't watch news or follow anything that is out there.
I think the democratic agenda is full of crap.
I also think most of the republican agenda is full of crap.
Again all you did was claim i am brainwashed as if I can't go out and research my own information.
Which is very easily found.
When my parents went to sell their house I even saw a actual documentaton stating the neighborhood has a deed restricted neighborhood says no coloreds allowed.
Of course that is no longer enforced but it was at one point and the house is only 40 years old.🤷🏾‍♀️
I have a man in my neighborhood who when he was somewhere around 16 or 18 who was lynched drug in the middle of town beaten peed on, and they removed his penis right in front of the sheriff.
You know what he did?
He helped a stranded white woman get a ride home.
They asked no questions they just castrated him.
So what?
I get my stories straight from the people not from propaganda

[Fuentes]

@msputiton his issue is he just doesn't like that history exist & supports censorship.

[Msputiton]

@Fuentes yup he calls me a traitor but he wants me to not use my first amendment right to talk about something he finds uncomfortable.
Imagine pretending that discussing things with solutions makes me a traitor🤣
The people who claim to be patriotic really have no clue what being one is.
It's kiss our asses or get out of America 🤣

[CALIGVLA]

Do you think I'm what people call an "American patriot," sweetheart?

Really?

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Again, you have zero self-awareness.

[Fuentes]

@msputiton imagine hating liberals and antifa but sharing all the same traits as them. That makes him a hippy communist telling you to accept censorship as if he's Kim Jong Un lol this is America 🇺🇸 the last time I checked & we'll talk about history and the effects of it, as we dang well please.

[Fuentes]

@CALIGVLA yeah I think you support fascism & you admitted it as well, thank you again for confirming it.

[Msputiton]

@Fuentes darn right. I will speak out about whatever I want let the crybabies cry and show just how soft and sheltered they are🤣

[CALIGVLA]

@Fuentes Wasn't I a Communist? You need to decide yourself.

[CALIGVLA]

And I'm unapologetically Communist indeed if you're too stupid to figure it out.

[CALIGVLA]

@msputiton That's (no pun) rich coming from an illiterate crybaby like you. Go back to your safe space.

[Fuentes]

@CALIGVLA well since you confirm you do support communism? I can help you get a first class ticket to China or North Korea or Vietnam? Because what your speaking about here doesn't fly I'm the US of A. So why stay here fighting for something that will never be approved & always frowned upon.

[Msputiton]

You the one so sad and upset that you searched me out to cry to me about how mean i am and i should be ashamed of myself because of how much you were offended by my big mean mytake that shattered your day.
I was such a big scary monster wasn't i?
Do you need your juice pouch?

[Fuentes]

@msputiton it's sad people enjoy living In a world of ignorance hoping to control & deny history as just ONE person.

[CALIGVLA]

I don't think you're mean. I think you're stupid.

Being stupid is not synonymous with being mean.

[CALIGVLA]

@Fuentes Venmo me and I'll go to China.

[Fuentes]

@CALIGVLA ok send over the information and I will legit pay for your passport and ticket & you can enjoy your best life In China 🇨🇳 😉

[Msputiton]

@Fuentes he still trying so hard but failing.
Because he has 0 things that proves i am inaccurate in this.🤣
At the end of the day something he is offended by has been promoted by admins. So yeah. Everyone who lived during this era has completely agreed they witnessed everything i talked about.
But he still denies it and I'm stupid🤣
Fuentes this is what it looks like when you get the realization that your entire life and everything you been brainwashed into believing is shown as lies.
They deny, they deflect, cry, and act out.

[Fuentes]

@msputiton now he's just trying troll his way out if it instead of just admitting he never had a rebuttal or argument point ever. You can't deny what us already facts, that's the reason it's a fact because it did and can happen lol

[CALIGVLA]

You're talking to yourself, my dear class traitor. That's what you reactionaries do. You say the stupidest things ever, but you think you're spilling "facts." You have such a f* up emotional state that you're unable to understand what other people are saying or doing.

People like you are the reason why El Paredón was invented... 😎

[Msputiton]

@Fuentes yup. 🤣

[Msputiton]

@Fuentes I'm gonna be honest.
I think he got as far as the title and read critical race theory and had a nervous breakdown and began ranting.

[CALIGVLA]

@msputiton You talk like a 12 yo child.

[Msputiton]

*pats head*
it's okay, you tried your best. That's what matters

[CALIGVLA]

Okay, blondie.

[Fuentes]

@CALIGVLA lol what a response

[Exterminatore]

@CALIGVLA

I’m not interested in discussing the subject matter on this thread but I do have a question for you.

You mentioned here you are an unashamed communist.

I’m curious why you chose Caligula’s name and image for your profile?

Being an emperor he was no doubt a staunch imperialist. He upheld the Roman ways which are in great opposition to communism, though communism did not exist in his day. The system he governed was far from communism and diametrically opposed to it.

Given these things, I’m curious why you seem to have taken enough of a liking to him to use his name and image.

As I said just curious.

I think the Romans would have had much more of a liking for fascism which is also diametrically opposed to communism.

[CALIGVLA]

@Exterminatore Caligula hated the elites in Rome and was used to trolling them viciously (and that was in reality what made him a hated figure).

I also despise the elites in the US, I have no doubt that a horse could replace our "representatives." Or at least the majority of them, who are only there to do their donor's bidding.

[Exterminatore]

@CALIGVLA

He did hate the senators, but that was because they were a threat to his power.

You are correct in saying he trolled them regularly.

I would agree with you about our “elites.” Like Caligula we should make a horse a senator. I’m sure that horse would do a better job than most of our elected representatives on either side of the isle.

I also agree in that lobbying and political donations are a problem as we no longer have a republic, but rule by corporations, nearly an aristocracy. If you and I want changes we have to write to our representative. If we were industrialists we’d simply need to play golf with them and give them an envelope with a campaign contribution in it.

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

It hurts me to read all this that the black people have been through.

And it surprises me, how people were able to be so cruel.

I had an amazing Chinese boyfriend who I loved with all my heart and that’s the first time I started worrying about racism, before then I always deemed it as a horrible thing but never encountered that myself, since in Eastern Europe we are not really that exposed to other races, but I loved my ex so much I might have harmed someone who’d not treat him right. Thankfully, that never happened.

But that interracial love made me more empathetic and open-minded.

I hope more people will start loving and accepting each other as well as admit the mistakes they’ve made and try to make things right.

[exitseven]

A really amazing MyTake. It really made me rethink my attitude about CRT. I grew up in the 70s and I can still remember the attitudes people had. It was a lot different then. History is important. Pretending it never happened is not the right way to deal with it. However, the truth must be taught and I think that a lot of CRT curriculums are developed by people who have agendas and in the end it causes more harm than good.

[Msputiton]

First of thank you.
2nd i can understand your concerns with agendas.
There should definitely be a very unbiased approach towards the teaching of it.

And to me teaching this is an opportunity to help bring us closer as a country, but like you said the concern is will it be done correctly?
The curriculum is laid out, and i do plan to fully read it all, but the parts i have read is well down in a very unbiased way.
I still have not had a chance to read all of it yet

[exitseven]

yes, it seemed pretty accurate. I was not around then but I can remember how different race relations were in the 70s.
However , I teach at a local college. I started working there in 2002. In the cafeteria all the kids ate together. It is school in the city so there are students of all kinds. They all seemed to eat together. Fast forward ten or 15 years and all of a sudden the black kids sit on one side and the white kids sit on the other. I do not know what happened but we seem to be going backwards.

[Msputiton]

Politics has made it this way.
They are trying to divide us.

So basically this is what i see. Democrats think they slick. They use us as pawns. They see we can be a useful vote. So they try to convince us that all white people have it out to get us. That they are evil secret racists trying to hold us down.
Republicans know their voting demographic is mostly white so they will bash any movement that white people find offensive. So they have created this white versus black mentality.
It's the samething they do with this trump vs anti trump thing.
It is sad. But the crazy thing is this. You know i do not like either party. a lot of my views fall closer to democratic views.
But in my eyes republican polices are less racist towards black people than democrats.
Democrats play us and treat us like helpless idiots who need them to save us from the "big scary evil white people"
It's such a fake game

[Sixgunsound]

It is all a game. I've talked about Leni 's plan to divide and conquer America by driving a wedge between black people and white people so soon after the US Civil War. Even Kamala Harris mocked the young black me she sent to prison on BS charges, because that's how Democrats roll. Obama wouldn't do prison reform but Trump, the horrible orange man bad, ate Obama's lunch on that? And Obama had twice as long as Trump did to make something happen? The first black congressional reps were Republican. The Republican party's whole reason to exist was abolition of slavery. I wish it was a fake game that didn't have real consequences, but it does.

[exitseven]

@msputiton You should run for public office someday. 😊😊😊

[Sixgunsound]

Let me know when, I'll vote for her!

[Msputiton]

Naw i wouldn't make a good politician.
I know lies, and conman, i don't know how to fix most of the complicated problems in our country.

[Sixgunsound]

Is Sharpton not one of the worst con men to exploit the black community in US history?

[Sixgunsound]

What about the leadership of BLM who "lost" millions in cash donations and spent much of the rest on luxuries and mansions for themselves while sending very little to help the urban communities that donors, many of whom could not afford to give but did anyways, thought their money was going to help?

[Anonymous]

I'm curious about your thoughts on what this link says about it.

https://momsforamerica.us/blog/critical-race-theory-teaches-our-children-to-hate/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5LCUsuDw_AIVuRXUAR3m4QoVEAAYASAAEgK5uvD_BwE

[Msputiton]

I have many times said the biggest reason so much hate in this country is. Black people know what happened to us, because they family members suffered from it.
While white people family hides the depth of suffering from their children.
So when we have discussions and black people hear white people treat it as nothing more than us shaming them, or overreacting to the situation it is offensive af.
But the truth is many white people have no clue the depths of pain put on our parents and grandparents. So both sides are angry because the full depth of it was never shared with people it didn't directly affect.
Teaching it is a good step to understanding each other.
But one side wants to hide it.

[Opinion Owner]

What exactly is being hidden? Do you actually think people aren't already aware of slavery and racism of the past?

[Msputiton]

Yeah you know how many people have 0 clue that up until their were laws in place.
How many people are like that never happened.
There people on this mytake going that stuff was 150yrs ago. Nobody is even alive.
Most people think once slavery ended everything went straight to equality.
Unless they were alive during most generations think it was very little.
I seen as a teacher's aid when learning under my trainer and the cirrculum how watered down the suffering of systematic racism is presented in school.
They make it seem like a very mild inconvenience. So yeah. That's the disconnect. It is so watered down that you think. Well that wasn't so baf

[Opinion Owner]

So you just want us all to make a bigger deal of it? Is that right?

[Jackblue]

Ok, I hear you, but what we want in turn is for black people to aknowledge that reverse racism exists. White flight didn't happen because we were disgusted by the presence of black people themselves, it happened because of riots and gangs. Gangs in the US are overwhelmingly non-white. It has also existed in the past have you forgotten the Moors in Spain, or the Barbary pirates. West Africa as a whole benefitted from what the Moors did there through trade. We want black people to distance themselves from people like Louis Farrakhan and Frantz Fanon. I do not condone use of the N word, but several black people have assualted white people for using it recently and not gotten arrested. In Dunkin' Donuts a black manager killed a white customer for saying the N word and was sentenced to only two years house arrest and some community service.

[Anonymous]

Regardless of what the "actual purpose" of CRT is, what it actually does is teach our children hate. It takes us in exactly the opposite direction from where we need to go. We all want racism to disappear, right? That will never happen as long as we continue to rehash it and rehash it and rehash it. We need to acknowledge what happened in the past, which we already do, and then put it behind us. The only thing CRT does is teach our children that skin color matters and they are different from each other, exactly the opposite of what America needs right now.

I just don't understand why. Why do that to our children. I urge you to watch this short video. This mom is spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/O8ihN4ojJ0c

[RolandCuthbert]

It takes a "Black" woman.

Brilliant mytake.

[Msputiton]

Getting a compliment on this from you, means a lot to me🥰

[SaoirseS]

Very well done MyTake focused on facts!
Thanks for taking the time to write it!

[Msputiton]

Thank you for reading

[mstbooblover]

Painful, embarrassing, but fair reminder... There's probably still a long way to go.

[Msputiton]

Very true. It's not about embarrassing anyone, or shaming anyone. It is getting and understanding of how this has shaped America todah.

[mstbooblover]

Sure, but still historical events not to be proud of, and the past can't be changed. Setting aside the racial rejection, which exists in many different forms against nearly any feature one can imagine or fantasy about, there's also the political aspect. Power (if any) and advantages have to be shared. A similar phenomenon against women occured during millennia untill these days in many countries.

[Msputiton]

Yes everything you say is so true.
And simple discussions are how we advance as a society to come closer

[Anonymous]

"So you think laws in place prohibiting black people the same simple right to get a job, or a proper education or home didn't make life harder for black people to be successful?" Can you point to any such law that has been in effect in the past 50 years?

"You think the laws who allowed white people to murder any black people they wanted to wasn't something that held our progress back?" Can you point to any such law that has been in effect in the past 150 years?

[Opinion Owner]

Your complaints all relate to things that happened in past generations, but CRT teaches that white people TODAY are responsible for things that happened 100 years ago. Are you responsible for the sins of all your ancestors? Of course not. That is why most white people reject CRT. And most people think that it constitutes political indoctrination which is inappropriate in our public schools.

[Msputiton]

So you think 1964 is 150 years ago.
Learn history.
They created laws after slavery that was in place and inforced up until 1974.

[Opinion Owner]

Show me a law that was in effect in 1964 that produced black peoples from holding jobs.

[Msputiton]

Your kidding right? Do your own research. I did mine.
It is easy to find.
I'm not gonna hold your hand.
You just proved my point why crt is useful.
Have a good day

[Msputiton]

Jim crow and black codes startedb1865 all the way till 1964.
They strictly stated what jobs black people were allowed to work and how much they were allowed to be paid.
The jobs were ensureing they continued to do the same jobs they did prior to the end of slavery.
Anything else you can learn on your own

[Opinion Owner]

That means that you can't cite a law that was in effect in 1964 that prohibited black peoples from holding jobs. End of argument.

[Snakeyes7]

We were learning about all this stuff long before CRT. What do we need it for other than to shame people for things they weren't alive to commit?

[Msputiton]

How is it shaming them?
Nobody is going you should be ashamed of what you did?
Hiding history makes things easy to downplay the impact.
Nobody hides the holocaust and the onlu people who fly the nazi flags are people who truly support or hate jewish people. Nobody tells jewish people to get over the holocaust like it wasn't a big deal
We hide the impact of slavery and the aftermath and people all over the south fly the confederate flag, like it wasn't a big deal. We are told to get over slavery and the discrimination that our grandparents suffered because nobody thinks they suffered

[Snakeyes7]

There is nothing to hide. All you described was stuff we already knew because schools already taught us all this and I live in the south. What does CRT add here?

I don't trust those who advocate for it because one of the first people who did Derek Bell, wish Plessy v. Ferguson remained the law of the land and that Brown v. Board of education was never successful. Essentially wished that segregation never stopped.

Now we have seen BLM not only burn buildings, rob stores and kill people but they also vandalized or even destroyed statues of confederates AND abolitionists alike. Frederick Douglas, a former slave, was one of those abolitionists. Not only did the BLM organization defend this destruction but the media did too with their "firey but mostly peaceful" garbage.

CRT has been recently implemented in schools such as Loudon County and the parents were outraged by some of the extremely racist things that their kids came home with. Apparently, they were coming home with worksheets learning about the privilege hierarchy which does nothing but further divide us.

So forgive me if I don't trust any of these people who support CRT.

[inhua]

this isn't what CRT is about

[Msputiton]

It actually is the circullum is there to read.
It is the study of laws and how it impacts America and the black community today

[TheMoreMiffed]

Wow great take

[20alliecat20]

People gotta love people 🤗 ❤️ ♥️