Palestine / Israel... Your thoughts about these two countries?

[Anonymous]

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Any most helpful opinion you would see on here is NOT from me (the asker). Due to the sensitivity of this question and due to my lack of knowledge about the history of these two countries, i cannot pick the most helpful opinion. Thank you

[razelove]

Most people support Palestine until they met Palestinians and realize they don't even support Palestine. I never used to have an opinion on it until my company had a lot of middle East clients, they just didn't have many people that would charge a fair price or service their stores for surveillance and electrical around like 2006, Iraq, Afghanistan, and 9/11 wasn't too far in the past.

Anyway, one of my clients was from Palestine, he hired mostly Palestinians, but from what they told me, they stopped caring once they got to the US, though it was very handy. They could get out of a region where they didn't have much of a future, and also get more family members out, while there didn't exist any way to deport them as "Palestine" isn't a place, nor is there an embassy or anything like that.

Maybe that's changed, but they were all cool guys, the food's good, but it seems like Palestine would have more of a future if it was, well, Israel. It isn't like their culture would disappear.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Historical evidence attests from both the Israeli and Palestinian sides that the Jews were the first to walk and live on that land, before the Arabs.
The Jews were forced due to the circumstances to leave the holy land in massive numbers.
The persecution of the Romans and the destruction of Solomon's temple.
The invasion of the caliphates and their persecution + the construction of the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount.
The first Christian crusade, killing them on the grounds that they were the "criminals" of Jesus. But also of the Arabs because of the occupation of Jerusalem.
The return of the caliphates, then the invasion of the Ottomans.

During all this time, the Jews fled en masse to Europe, where they were not welcomed with open arms, but they did not die as in the area occupied by the Arabs.
The Jews live in complicated times, even if some make money, they are not exempt from persecution and denigration because of the deeds they were legitimate to do but did not suit the Christian Europeans.

THE SECOND WORLD WAR, over 7 million Jews out of a total of 70 million people were exterminated from Europe, whole cities of people were wiped off the face of the earth when it comes to Jews as well. With persecution in the west by the Nazis and hunger and deportations in the communist east, the Jews demanded their place in this world.
The only place they could call home was Jerusalem, the place that belonged to them from the first establishment of their state after the passage from Egypt through the Red Sea led by Moses.

The Arabs must take a step back or accept to live in peace with them.

[strateguy632]

very well presented i agree with you

[jennifer_bloom]

I do not know much about Palestine cause I never researched them as a unique Islamic region but I did watch a few videos or experience a few online ideas on Israel. I think Judaism is a beautiful religion when it's practiced willingly and not because of peer pressure or social expectations or for reputation management reasons. I find forced religion, loses its beauty and becomes a mechanical product and non inclusive social feature, rather than a methodology of joy and personal spirituality.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

They both exist, but I just hope they would stop fighting each other. The Promised Land wasn’t meant to be divided. I noticed that Palestine is relatively poor and IsraHELL is filthy rich. I hope Palestine will be freed and both sides will come together into one State. That State should be named neither Israel nor Palestine. Maybe Abrahamland?

I also find it preposterous that many disbelieve in Palestine, thinking all of the land is Israel, but most of its citizens are Arabs, not Israelis.

[strateguy632]

to hip, when you say one state do you mean the freedom fighters who want a palestine state? or the freedom fighters who want a muslim state they are not the same idea nor fighters.

[strateguy632]

how can you call them both countries? only one of those two had a king ruling jerusalem, ever hear of king david? of tribe jew-da juda. never the non israel one. and the freedom fighters for palestine, some want a palestine state, and others want muslim state so which do you support?" and which should israel NEGOTIATE with, with which?

[Rizwan_khan]

I also support Palestine and i think every Muslim on this earth will support Palestine. That land always belong to muslims not. Isrelies. Israel people are the worst people in this world i have seen they don't hesitate to take anyones life.

[Mimi_758]

💯🇵🇸❤

[Rizwan_khan]

❤️❤️

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Many Palestinians and Israelis want peace, Bhai.

[Rizwan_khan]

But look like Israelis don't look like peace that's why they are killing innocent people.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Many Israelis say the same thing about Palestinians. Who’s right? Both sides commit atrocities. This needs to stop.

[Rizwan_khan]

But whole world knows that what Israelis are doing now. That land is always belongs to Palestinians.

[strateguy632]

hmm muslims? always? but before muhamed in 600 a. d. nobody commanded to fast ramadan. the muslims of muhamed stole the land so now need to give it back to israel of king david.

[Rizwan_khan]

David is also a prophet of Allah and Israelies are the worst and pathetic people on this earth they always shed blood for their own purpose.

[Spade_01]

No such thing as Israel. It's only Palestine.

[Mimi_758]

💯💯💯

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Why, because there are more Arabs than Jews in ye Promised Land? Nu, makes sense, bra.

[Spade_01]

@HippieVeganJewslim it's an apartheid state and the jews aren't even natives to the land. They were brought in. True inhabitants happen to be Palestinians.

[strateguy632]

you can say "no such thing as a table" but the table is real and same for this issue.

[Amishaxx]

Israel is an apartheid state. I'm all for #freePalestine

[Mimi_758]

Thank you sooo much ❤

[Amishaxx]

@Mimi_758 you're welcome. I am just saying the truth

[strateguy632]

to ami, content apartheid, did yoou know? arabs can vote... for arabs in israelbparliament so not apartheid.

[Mimi_758]

💯Palestine
Israel does not exist for me

[Mimi_758]

I wish we all would be able to get along with each other and respect each other but that will never happen so i stand with PALESTINE always🥰

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Palestina neighter for me. I hope for the same values as you so i stand with ISRAEL always!

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Many Israelites and Palestinians want peace. They just see on the biased news how one side attacks the other side, and assume that they’re evil or other bullshit.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

@HippieVeganJewslim I think the Muslim don't want to make any compromise to live togeder and want to have all the Israel country/region under control. Don't want to give back the land to a nation that is not muslim and don't belong to theyr comunity, but are rightfull belonging to that land before them.
Olso the fact Israel have strong conection whit USA may upsat thous nation because it may expose come corupt actions.
Israel from what i inform myself propose 3 peace plans for Palestina and they refuse all of them

[Mimi_758]

@HippieVeganJewslim yeah your right i really wish they would stop and get along with each other because i have had many family members and good friedns get killed :(

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@Alexandrubaschet08 which Muslim are You talking about? Many fellow Muslims crave synergy to live and reside peacefully. We reckon that Moses is a Muslim (He lived before Judaism was a thing, and is a son of Levi, not Judah), and Hebrews and Jews mean not the same. Therefore, to our perception, it is in fact a Muslim nation, but since Muhammad allowed Jews and Christians live in the land, why not with Palestine and Israel? Can’t they share? Can’t they form one state, with Muslims and Jews live peacefully?

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Same goes for a comrade’s son: he saw a mate get blown up on a bus. Islam and Judaism want peace.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

@HippieVeganJewslim Moses whas a Jews NO EVER a muslim, Jewis whas longer time before muslim come out, both Christianity and Muslim had been part of Jews religion. Avram and Isak whas Jews.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@Alexandrubaschet08 Nowhere in the Torah it ever said that they were Jews! Jews are the descendants of Judah, son of Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham. The word Jews (Yehuðim) first appears in the Book of Esther, and that was probably due to that they named a Kingdom after Judah, Judea. Moses submitted entirely to G-d, making Him a Muslim. What’s your language, matey?

[Alexandrubaschet08]

@HippieVeganJewslim Jews are the descendants of Judah, son of Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham. This is what you say right and is true and from here forword and before they are the Jews.
And to the Jews God promise them afther Joseph bring them in Egypt out of desert that God will somebody to take them out and take them to the promised land Judea (Today Jerusalem and Palestina). And that how it whas Moses take them out and pass the responsability to go to the promised land to the new descendents whitch they succed to finde it and enstablish theyr first country, fefore any arab or muslim to ever be there.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@Alexandrubaschet08 anyone can become Muslim, Bra. Arabs (Ishmaelites) and Jews (Yehuðim) are cousins. If no Muslims would be allowed in the land, then that would break the human right of faith. G-d told the Jews nothing; the word Jews ain’t in the Torah, let alone Genesis. Are You confusing the terms Jew and Hebrew?

[Alexandrubaschet08]

@HippieVeganJewslim are the same sinonims, there is no diference, google it.
Jews religion in the basic one from witch Christianity and Islam come from.
And Jews whas the first one in the region, muslim have all the right to live there but under the laws of Israel. Is theyr country from the very beggining, invadators like romans and caliphats create today this situation

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@Alexandrubaschet08 What’s your language, matey? I feel English is foreign to y’all. Witch is a woman who can do magic. Rumanian?

[strateguy632]

to mim, you were vague did you want a palestinian state or a muslim state they are not the same goal and various groups want different goals so which do you support?

[Alexandrubaschet08]

@HippieVeganJewslim no.
My language is Romanian.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@Alexandrubaschet08 oy vey, same tongue, iubirea mea.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

@HippieVeganJewslim ? beside "iubirea mea" i don't understand what you say.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@Alexandrubaschet08 Rumanian and Romanian is the same language, is what I mean. In my language, it’s румынский, or rumynskiy romanised.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

@HippieVeganJewslim Rumanian is not a language, is nothing. ROMANIA it is.
So you are a Russian румынский, or rumynskiy.
When will you all get out of Ukrain?

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@Alexandrubaschet08 I live in Africa. Even though I’m Russian, I still fucking hate Putin’s war. Hope he’ll die soon and there’d be peace between Ukraine and Russia.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

@HippieVeganJewslim
And when will you return the national treasure of Romania from 1917
When you will take your army out of Rep. Moldova and Georgia
When will you pay war reparation to all Eastern Block and Ukrain.
When will you recognise the "GULAGS"
When will you all start a democraty revolution?
When will you do something to fight your regim?

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@Alexandrubaschet08 I cannot return the national treasure of Romania from 1917 because I have it not.
I can take no army out of anywhere because I’ve no army.
I won’t pay for war reparations because I owe them not.
I haven’t heard of GULAGS, but I’ll look it up G-d willing.
I cannot start a democracy revolution because I’ve no democracy.
I’ve always wanted to fight my regime. I and my mum signed several petitions.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

You have in Russia my natinal treasure, gold, books, documents in all museums.
You have army, you are russian.
Yes you should pay war reparation for WW2 and Cold War to all Eastern Block
Is very serios that you had never hear about Gulags, you should educate yourself. Is like a german say, i don't know holocaus.

[Adaeva]

Israel are evil murderers.

[Mimi_758]

AMEEN THEY ARE


FREE PALESTINE

[strateguy632]

as if no israelis got stabbed nor bus bombs in haifa. even shallow family guy refernced that israel is the victim of murder, and from 1929 until now arabs keep doing the crime called attempted murder sometimes succeeded. you just dont like that they fail and jees do not die too.

[CALIGVLA]

Not the apartheid state for sure! ❤🇵🇸

[strateguy632]

hmm apartheid meant can't vote,
and palestinian authority prevented election for many years is the apartheid, is that what you meant?

[TheFlak38]

Palestine is not a country.

[Iron_Man]

Israel, God’s people

[HippieVeganJewslim]

G-d made all the people, and for every people, He sent a prophet to teach them the truth.

[Anonymous]

Pro-israel, Palestine is a lawless entity