Trans people and women's restrooms: a very simple problem? (Page 2)
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If post op then use the stall
If pre op then use the stall
If you have a vagina use the women restroom... very simple.
If you have a penis then use the men's restroom... very simple.
So it doesn't matter what anyone looks like or is known as or anything like that, just matters if they have penis or vagina. And i guess people with neither or both can just go to whichever one they're more comfortable in.
well if they dress kike a women and go into the woman's restroom they would have to use a stall so no showing a penis. If they have a vagina and tried to use urinal in the men's restroom they would probably be thrown out or worse for being in there.
Obviously if you use the women's restroom you have to use a stall, there aren't any urinals there lol. And people usually don't be looking that close at someone using the urinal in men's to be seeing up past the zipper that they also have a vagina. I feel like whoever is trying to look directly up under a guy's dick while he's peeing would be the one thrown out.
But why would how they dress effect where they have to go in any case? How they dress didn't matter if they just had a penis or vagina. Why does it suddenly matter when they have both or neither?
If both then go where you feel comfortable at. If you have both then you have preference of one over the other and you dress accordingly. That is just natural so go where you feel comfortable at.
If you have neither then go where you feel comfortable at but if you don't have a penis the use the stall because trying to pee in a urinal with nothing to aim with is ridiculous...
Nice to know we agree that people shouldn't be banned from women's spaces just because they may have a penis, if they are comfortable as and present themselves as women.
And vice versa for men, ofc.
just as long as they are not creeps and trying to take advantage.
Naturally. Anyone who behaves creepy or suspicious should not be tolerated.
This whole bathroom thing could be solved if instead if men's or women's bathrooms the doors just said penises or vaginas. Do it strictly by genitalia.
Maybe, but it's kinda weird to have public settings organized by genitals don't you think? Going to the shopping mall and then u gotta pee so you have to let anyone in the store know what ur genitals are by what bathroom u go in. Kinda weird.
I don't get what the problem is with gender neutral bathrooms. Isn't EVERYONE'S house bathrooms generally neutral?
Buck should use the women's restroom.
I can understand Kelly doing it if he really needs to go, and there is line waiting in the men's room, but otherwise, stick to the gender your body was born as. Or the handicap restroom. Do you expect men to be able to be allowed to join women's only gym hours too?
I'd let buck use the ladies' room just to see the women upset.
Buck doesn't even want to use the women's room lol
If there were no rules I can totally see a lot of guys wanting to use the women's room just to be close to women.
Buck would be the one upset. No real woman would care - only entitled Karens do.
Use the one you are currently, no one is going to notice
It's not your looks but your genitals. I get that there are intersexual people but they are a very tiny minority compared with transgender people.
Actually there's about the same percent of trans people as there are intersex people. And I don't know how often YOU look at ppls genitals in the bathroom, but most people don't see anyone's genitals in any bathroom except for their own.
My job coach told me just because I identify as a woman doesn't mean I don't have a penis. Job coaches are always right.
Ah okay then. Good luck with all that.
No but seriously, if you have a penis and not a vagina or breasts, you'll rarely — if ever — develop hormones that induce periods
and many women refrain from talking to male friends about their periods
I don't see what that has to do with any of this.
My women friends say the only reason they don't don't to more men friends about it is bc they don't wanna hear about it. It is a pretty big part of many women's lives yknow, regular monthly pain n all that jazz...
Anyway many women who take estrogen also experience symptoms of periods, even if they don't have vagina. I don't see why not having a period would make you not a woman tho. Having a vagina doesn't guarantee u have period either.
There are many different ways to be transgender, and each individual has different experiences and a different sense of identity. Some trans people have extensive surgery to have their bodies altered to match their identity.
Yes of course. This is just an example of 2 individual trans people. It doesn't account for many other people. It's just to illustrate a point.
fuck it, why not just have prison style bathrooms instead?
We should be allowed to use any bathroom we want.
I'm going to make this really simple, because despite what a tiny but increasingly entitled minority want us to believe, it IS really simple. People born with XX chromosomes use women's restrooms and people born with XY chromosomes use men's restrooms. The end.
And sorry, but the vast majority of sane humans will never be ok with gender neutral restrooms. Kelly and Buck represent a tiny percentage of people. They should not, and will never drive public policy on things like "gender neutral" restrooms and who should use men's and women's restrooms.
How would you possibly enforce such a weird rule for public restrooms when most people don't even know what their chromosomes are bc they never had them tested?
Once again, the reality is extremely simple; if you were born with a vagina you use a women's restroom, and if you were born with a penis you use a men's restroom. For 99.99% of people, they know the answer from the time they are 4 years old.
Ah okay. So what about the small percentage of people who are born with ambiguous genitals, I assume they can just use whichever bathroom they're more comfortable in?
There are exceptions to every single rule in this world. But that's all they are.
doesn't matter if it was only 1 person in the whole world. EVERYone should be able to use the public restroom, regardless of any physical condition. Don't you think?
Of course, I never suggested anyone shouldn't be able to use a public restroom. What does that have to do with gender neutral restrooms?
I asked what about people born with ambiguous genitals can they use either one, and you just dismissed them as exceptions without answering the question.
I don't care which restroom those exceptions use because they are a tiny percentage of the population. My point was that the "problems" you are trying to solve here are your problem as a man who wants to be a woman, but they are not problems for the rest of us. So please stop trying to solve your problems by creating problems for the normal majority.
Okay so you don't care which restroom they use bc they're such tiny percent of population. But trans people make up about the same percent of population, so why do you care so much where they go?
Because intersex people have no choice in the matter. But trans people like you were born with either a penis or a vagina, no ambiguity.
So it's NOT really that u don't care bc there aren't many of them. It's that u don't care bc they didn't have choice in the matter. & u think trans people do have choice in the matter bc they could just not get medical treatment, & instead just suffer. Nice. This is why education is important. Most people would be much less angry and scared about trans people if they understood what it means.
Most people would be less angry about trans people if they stopped trying to force stupid shit like gender neutral bathrooms on everyone else. If you want people to accept you, then stop being a selfish asshole.
U know the people complaining about bathrooms are the anti-trans people. Actual trans people just want to go to the bathroom. It's the people who hate them who keep making a huge fuss and trying to make all sorts of new rules to force everyone to live the way they believe and follow their twisted morals
Nope. I'm going to let you in on a little secret here. Most normal people literally do not give a fuck what you do in your personal life, or what you want to identify as. We could not care less.
It's when you start pushing an agenda on us that we get pissed off. I'll give you a couple of pieces of advice: 1) stay the fuck away from our children and school curriculum, and 2) stop trying to push shit like gender neutral bathrooms on everyone else.
If you do those two things, the vast majority of normal people will accept you and leave you alone.
Lol sure. Look it up. See who rlly started all this bathroom shit.
You're pushing it here. Nuff said.
Matters not, really. Eiðer way, ðere’s always a great eξcuse.
You're right--this is very simple. The person who should use the women's restroom is the one who does not have, and never her life had a penis. Everyone else should use the men's.
Simples!
Easiest solution is knock it off with the trans bull shit. You are born a man or a woman. If you think you can swap you belong in a nut house.
The only logical solution is to employ bouncers to stand in front of the entrance and bar entry to anyone they don't like the look of.
That will mean a lot of cis people are not allowed to use the public restrooms. Seems fucked up to say no you look wrong, you can't go more than an hour or so from your own house now forever.
Neither of them should be allowed to use a public restroom. Choices have consequences.
EVERYone should be able to use the public restroom. To say anyone can't is to effectively put them on house arrest since they can't go more than a certain distance or time from their house without using the restroom. Which is fucking inhumane to do based on their physical condition. Only criminals on parole or on trial are ever put on house arrest.
They made a choice in life and they have to live with the consequences. It isn't anyone else's fault. I'm not interested in paying to put 317 different gender public bathrooms everywhere so it can accommodate the 1% of the population nutcases who have a mental issue about who they are. They should be in mental institutions. You don't turn an entire society upside down and punish anyone who complains about it to accommodate a handful of mental cases.
Wtf ok nvm. I was stupid for thinking u could understand basic logic.
No, I think the reason you are stupid is because you have been so easily brainwashed by wokeism.
Lmao
How r they both trans?
Wym? They both are trans, one is a man and one is a woman. What doesn't make sense?
They look like a regular woman and guy lol not trans- the guy just looks like he’s from prison but ya haha
Well yeah, they are just people lol. Being trans doesn't make your skin turn blue or you grow wings or anything... They're still regular people like anyone else.
No I mean like some trans people still look more feminine or masculine- like these two people just look cis I don't know
Ofc. It's transitioning, not magic. You can't snap ur fingers and suddenly the effects of puberty are totally reversed. It takes time and access to appropriate medical care—although some people are more androgynous and can "pass" quite quickly and easily, yes. It can take years on T to grow a beard though, and the same on E to grow breasts. Just like cis people can take years to grow a beard or breasts.
Yeah ok… lmao nvm :) anyways how r y
I'm okay.
Where ya from
USA. Y?
Just curious I don't know
Okay
Liberals are retarded on a good day.
They should use a trans-only restroom
Why should we make special restrooms everywhere that only 1% of the population is allowed to use?
Or we can just stick to what is in your pants rule.
@monorprise seems kinda gropey to need to know what's in people's pants before letting them use the restroom.