Americans ONLY: Why are liberals terrified of private schools replacing public schools?

[WalnutButter]

Before you say that private schools are more expensive, do your homework. When did the government ever do something cheaper than the private sector? Obama's Cash For Clunkers cost the tax payers about $24,000 per clunker. Who but the government would pay 24 K for a clunker?

Give parents a voucher and let them shop for a school they want. This wouldn't replace public schools, it would just give options. If your priority is for kids to learn about pronouns and sex, hand your voucher to a public school.

If you want your kid to learn about math, science, etc, find a private school. I just don't understand why this is such a terrifying thought for liberals. If public schools are awesome, they will flourish. Let the parents decide. I would choose a school with American flags in the rooms and Christmas trees on Christmas. If you don't like that, choose a different private school, or send your kid to a government school. Why not have the choice?

[razelove]

We have that with magnet schools down here. The public schools in the cities here got so bad that parents just stopped sending their kids. They're kind of at the public/private intersection, but have a ton of autonomy. Rural and suburb schools are still public, but they're pretty much the same now as they were 20-30 years ago.

I don't get the dire need to cling to failing schools when there are plenty of organizations happy to open magnet schools for different focuses, ideologies, cultures, you name it. Hell, I remember seeing where my dad went to school, it was the same crappy place until about 2 years ago when a charter school bought it.

It looks weird being clean lol

[WalnutButter]

I just want government schools to have to compete for the money. They would all fail.

[razelove]

Not all, not by a long shot. It would be a blow in metropolitan areas, but not so much in rural, or light suburban areas. School funding is mostly from property tax, cities and heavy suburban have a bigger pot, more schools to build, with federal and state funds going their way.
With less people you have less choices, private school is more expensive, serves a larger area, but with public school it is more of a community effort aside from property tax.

[WalnutButter]

Private schools are cheaper than government schools in my state. And with government vouchers, private schools would be even cheaper. If you're qualified to teach and want to home school your kids, you should be paid the same amount a government school gets from the tax payers.

[razelove]

That's the same argument that those who don't have children in public school shouldn't pay the millage for schools. It would break access to school for those who couldn't afford it. I agree that school now is breaking down.

You could argue ideology or many other things, but I'm looking at performance. In the state where I live over 1/4 of people are illiterate as adults. One time on a job site I had to lie about wattage being free mason voodoo so they'd just listen and not overload the amperage on each circuit.

That is obviously a broken system. I don't think the solution is to get rid of it entirely, when some of them didn't ever have adequate home situations to begin with. Just focus more on the fundamentals, separate by gender, make high school a trade school once the basics are down.

Anyway, that is on paper, I'm wondering how we could be 47th, there are states with more illiterate people than us with higher populations, but somehow the US is 99% literate. I'm thinking the 25% did the statistics there lol

wisevoter.com/.../

When you look at a world view we're 99%, but when you look state by state we come to 80.7 with the midwest and northeast carrying us over the finish line. That's so jacked up.

[WalnutButter]

"That's the same argument that those who don't have children in public school shouldn't pay the millage for schools. "
I don't know what you mean by that. I would just rather give my money to a mom who home schools, than a worthless government school.

[exitseven]

Public schools practically have a monopoly over the education of our kids. The teachers union is just about the only union left that has any clout. They are big contributors to the democrats so they teach our kids critical race theory, global warming is real and that there are 72 genders. Most people cannot afford to sent their kids to private schools but most would probably would rather that their kids go to school someplace where they will learn math , science and critical thinking instead of liberal brainwashing. There is school choice in many states and parents want the trend to expand until the whole country has a real choice over who ajd what their kids are exposed to.

[WalnutButter]

Private schools are cheaper where I live.

[exitseven]

If you got the per pupil expenditure from the local public school it would cover about half the tuition of a private school.

[WalnutButter]

Not where I live. A shitty government school is $18,000 per year. Are you telling me that you couldn't set up an area for 10 kids, and get by with 180 K per year? I also think parents who home school should get 18 K per kid. Did you know that Seattle is closing down schools because after Covid, many kids never returned. The schools get paid per kid, so had to choice but to close some schools.

[exitseven]

@walnutbutter Where I live the per pupil expenditure is about $30,000. My kids have been out for about 10 years and they were right at the tail end of when the schools were good. Now they are just indoctrination camps. There have been a big shakeup with the school committee and there have been conservatives people that have gotten elected over the last two years. When the kids were having online instruction during covid a lot of parents saw what passes for education these days. Hopefully this will help but the teachers union is really powerful and most parents are frightened to death that they will go on they have nobody to watch their kids while they ate at work.
A private school is about 50K for tuition.

[WalnutButter]

When I say private schools, I'm not talking about big schools. I'm talking about a qualified teacher teaching a small group of kids. And the department of education is not constitutional. Look how much money could be saved if we dumped that bloated pig.

[exitseven]

We have some small private schools too. They are called "Country Day Schools" They are expensive as well. All the rich people send their kids there.

[WalnutButter]

If the government issued vouchers, the price would come way down, because the competition would be fierce.

[exitseven]

I think it would be the opposite and there would be more private schools.

[WalnutButter]

That's what I said. Tons of private schools, with no government teachers.

[exitseven]

I think when public schools become defunded they will wake up and things will change

[WalnutButter]

I talked to an interesting woman here. (I can't remember if she was from Switzerland or Sweden, because I get those confused)

She said that citizens can vote on most things. You and I don't live in a democracy, we live in a Republic. That means we do our best to vote for representatives that aren't corrupt. Yeah, like that's ever worked.

Biden's approval rating is about 30%, so who is he representing? China?

So imagine if Americans were allowed to vote on the following...

1. Term limits for politicians.
2. Pay raises for worthless politicians.
3. Open borders.
4. Defunding the police.
5. Letting violent criminals out of prison.
6. Giving billions to Ukrainian oligarchs who are installing swimming pools and going on lavish vacations. (also we're paying pension funds for Ukrainians )
7. Government schools that focus on LGBTQRS and pronouns.
8. Biden's weekly vacations.
9. Tons of private jets traveling to global cooling/warming/change events.
10. Giving 90% of our Covid money to other countries.

[exitseven]

Most of these werevpolicies co fcthe c Biden administration along with shutting down domestic energy production.

[WalnutButter]

In my city, there was a giant pothole in the road, but the mayor didn't care. Some clever lad made a FaceBook page for the pothole. It was more popular than the mayor, so he fixed it. Maybe on a bigger scale, the FBI would track you down and kill you for that. I don't know.

[exitseven]

I would consider it an honor to have the FBI want to kill me.

[WalnutButter]

Be careful what you wish for. lol

[exitseven]

Nixon used to have an enemies list. I would like to be on Bidens enemy list.

[WalnutButter]

You just might be. lol

[exitseven]

@walnutbutter. When the IRS shows up in my driveway I will know I made the cut

[WalnutButter]

But the old fashioned IRS people didn't pack heat. Biden fixed that.

[exitseven]

@walnutbutter. If they expected trouble they used to bring the U S Marshalls. They would bring the g heat.

[WalnutButter]

What do you think of the guy on here with the worst case of TDS on the planet? He now blames Trump for "allowing" a virus to enter the country. When Trump banned flights from China, the left called him a racist. But not the virus is his fault. But what's really crazy, is that his has this groupie that will agree with him on anything.

[WalnutButter]

now, not not.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[WalnutButter]

Keep putting them on your resume.

[Miristheiss]

I think the leftists more than just an regular liberal want control. They use the schools to indoctrinate kids so that they have a permanent voter base. They want the state to be the kids "parent" and for the kids to believe and live they way they want.

They want parents squeezed out, they want to destroy the nuclear family and want a band of the population that is dependent on the government and for them to trust the government and to vote more power to the government and for the people to do whatever they say.

Free thinkers, independent people, home schoolers, private schools... they have less influence and say in those cases hence they obstruct and oppose those. People that rely on family, those that have close families those that do not rely on the government and don't obey, those that don't follow the Covid controls... they won't give up their gas stoves, they don't buy the right car, they don't believe a man can become a woman they won't hand over their freedoms to the government... they are a threat to their power and control.

What sane country that valued its citizens and sought to do what is best for its citizens would just throw open its border and let endless millions of people just flood in and ignore its own poor, its own homeless and charge its own citizens to put all of these people in hotels and give citizen paid for programs to millions of foreigners?

Those that just see unregulated migration and payments and handouts to these people as easy voters to buy. Let millions in, give them handouts and voting rights and they can be in power and in control without ceasing.

This isn't good for the country or the citizens... it is only good for their power and control.

[WalnutButter]

100%

[Billlewis]

Because liberals are only in favor of policies that are good for children if those policies help promote their horrendously bad ideas.

[WalnutButter]

I've never understood that way of thinking. .

[LiamJHayden]

Public schools are controlled by the teachers' unions, and those unions supply oodles of money for D campaigns, so it is natural that they would oppose replacing them with those who are far less likely to supply them with cash.

[WalnutButter]

That needs to change.

[Dargil]

Because private and home schooling are not programmed to indoctrinate children with communist propaganda

[WalnutButter]

You're right about communism. That's what all of this is about.

[Avicenna]

It’s all about control with leftists. They do not want anyone to have choices or freedom of thought.

[WalnutButter]

I would like to see it put to a vote. Government schools would be gone.

[Avicenna]

Well, there isn’t enough capacity at the moment to privatize K-12 education and some of the private schools have the nuttiest woke administrators and teachers. But you’re right.

[WalnutButter]

The capacity could change overnight. You could do it in your living room.
And since you control the voucher, don't give it to a nutty person.

[Avicenna]

Incidentally, from what I understand some parents are able to band together and rent full-equipped lab space for their kids. That’s a game changer.

Don’t forget that private schools don’t have to take everyone and may not be able to take students currently attending alternative and charter schools, ones who are disruptive or have special needs.

[WalnutButter]

I suggested parents ban together and take turns teaching, and someone told me it was illegal. lol
But illegal immigration is fine.

[Avicenna]

Uh, I’m not aware of a state where homeschooling is illegal, but you never know with some of these leftist crazies.

[Avicenna]

And, yeah, the illegal invaders are a big problem. Now just wait- the leftists will claim we can’t have vouchers because only public schools can teach English Language Learners.

[Avicenna]

Obviously lots of parents don’t have the time to teach their kids, so let’s be cognizant of that.

[WalnutButter]

No, it wasn't about actual home schooling, it was about parents getting together and arranging alternatives, like you suggested. A father on this site told me that his child knows more about pronouns, than math, science and all the other core classes combined.

And you very well know, if parents don't like pronouns, the justice department calls them terrorists.

[Avicenna]

Ah, so that’s what that person meant- the dictatorship doesn’t like the idea of kids being taught by their parents and parents having a say in their kids’ education.

[WalnutButter]

Exactly. The government can't control home schooling, but they can fuck up parents' attempts to figure out a better way.

I know a lady who baked wedding cakes from home, and that was how she made a living. The government found out and told her she needed to buy a separate oven for the cakes. She wasn't in a position to afford that, so she lost her business.

I think clever parents could arrange for some type of co-op to teach kids, but all involved would have to keep their trap's shut. Loose lips, sink ships. I think some jackass reported the cake lady, because she was jealous.

[Avicenna]

Ugh….

[WalnutButter]

It's no different than parents being labeled terrorists, for wanting a say in the education they're paying for.

[Avicenna]

Sounds like the former Rast Germany, with neighbors as Stasi informants. Also shows how much the dictatorship hates us.

[Avicenna]

* East Germany

[WalnutButter]

It's funny how so many people think Joe is the president. He said the Russia invaded Iran, even while reading a teleprompter saying it was Ukraine.

[Avicenna]

You see how the elites and their foot soldiers act when they don’t have a puppet in office.

[worldscolide]

Because if we had school choice that drag queen bull shit wouldn't happen any more.

[WalnutButter]

Exactly

[Astarlessnightsky]

A voucher for a private school is just a tax money founded school system.

[WalnutButter]

And? They would be ran privately with no teachers union and department of education.

[gorydetails]

They have less control, that’s why.

[WalnutButter]

I don't have children, but if I did, I would hope I didn't hate them the way liberals do. In my junior high and high school, there were teachers having sex with students. The teacher's union didn't care, nor did the school board. If you complain, you're a terrorist.