Conservatives always lose in the end, right?

[OddBeMe]

Not lose in the moment or next several years…but liberal changes keep coming be they freeing slaves, giving women the right to vote, environment, healthcare, gay marriage, marijuana, etc…

This woman never wins.

True

False, libtard!

[abc3643]

Yes and no.

Some progressive ideas die off over time because either they did not take into account various factors, like human nature, or because the time was not ripe yet - civilization was not advanced enough to accommodate that idea. (*)

But, in the long run, most progressive ideas do win out. This is why most scientists are progressive - they see what Nature dictates and what must eventually be so which is usually in line with progressive ideas, so they vote that way. (*)

(*) Here's an example.

50 years ago, there was "The Energy Crisis" (which is still going on). So, in the 1970s, there was a lot of R&D on energy - in particular, energy that didn't come from fossil fuels like oil. This all changed when Ronald Reagan became president. Why did things change? It was a threat to the oil industry, the purveyor of fossil fuels and, of course, conservative because they want things to be just as they are regardless of the fact that the US needed to import oil to keep America running.

Here we are in the 2020s and we now have a significant green tech sector... something we would have had probably 20 years earlier had we not had the GOP in office. Why do we have this green tech sector? Because we HAD to have green tech! Forgetting about climate change, the simple fact that "fossil fuels" will eventually run out should have been motivation enough to do research. And that - and national security - were the motivations for those 1970s investments. What the oil industry should have done was invest in diversifying. Instead of just raking in billions, they should have channeled that money into R&D for other energy. After all, if the oil runs out, they have nothing to sell.

Let's see how things have changed...

Ths waese are the top 10 companies on the Fortune 500 of 1980:

Exxon Mobil /* oil */
General Motors
Mobil /* oil */
Ford Motor
Texaco /* oil */
ChevronTexaco /* oil; was just Chevron here because this was before the merger */
Gulf Oil /* oil */
Intl. Business Machines
General Electric
Amoco /* oil */

So, 6 of the 10 largest companies were oil companies in 1980.

What about 2022?

Only Exxon Mobil is left.

During the past 50 years, these companies had a chance to invest in their futures and could have been significant green energy providers, but they clung to the status quo and now they are becoming increasingly irrelevant.

Here's an example of forward-thinking...

Saudi Arabia is one of the largest oil producers in the world. They led OPEC and are the main reason why the Energy Crisis started (Google Arab Oil Embargo 1973). Those people are rich because they export a shitload of oil.

But they know that, one day, the oil will run out.

So, what are they doing?

Investing in solar. The Arabian Desert is great place to get free never-ending sun which can be converted into electricity and sent to nations that need it.

Saudi Arabia launches world’s largest solar-power plant
https://www.eiu.com/n/saudi-arabia-launches-worlds-largest-solar-power-plant/

And that's how you tell when the progressive idea wins... when business joins in because they know that politicians are full of shit and there will always be culture wars and religious horseshit, but Nature dictates. It can be negotiated with or ignored. And when businesses can no longer ignore what Nature is dictating, they sign-up.

Since most progressive policies are rooted in Nature, they usually win out in the long run.

[abc3643]

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[Nature] CAN'T be negotiated with or ignored.

[OddBeMe]

Unless we kill off nature with climate change.

[abc3643]

I don't believe this is a problem for Nature.
I am not a climate change denier, but those species that can't cope will die off and those that can will be the foundation species for the next phase of evolution.

The only real problem life on this planet really has is solar aging. There will come a point at which the Sun may evolve to a point that life on Earth cannot be sustained. And, eventually, the Sun will go nova anyway.

[razelove]

I think true or false is too narrow of a view to look through. It swings like a pendulum, with some deviations. The green party, Trump, and libertarians are good examples of deviations from the strict conservative or liberal lens.

Liberals win for a while, then push too hard, and conservatives gain ground until they push too hard. I would say that the advantage liberals have in American politics is that the laws and policies they push for are typically at the federal level and get imposed on everyone, while conservative ones are typically dismantling a previous federal policy to be state by state.

What comes to my mind is not Roe vs Wade, but farther back the Brady Bill. Prior to it the NRA wasn't as popular, most gun legislation passed, as well as the expansion of gun control agencies like the ATF. The moment California standard was applied to new weapon sales nationwide NRA membership exploded, people voted for politicians promising to push back, gun imports soared as they could be grandfathered in after the fact. You didn't see any expansion of the ATF (among many federal agencies) until Obama, then they had awesome successes like Fast and Furious, enter Trump.

Likewise George W won during that timeframe and his conservative actions (also authoritarian ones) laid the foundations for many liberal leaders to follow. Unknown unknowns and patriot act come to mind there. Also promising the military a pay raise for his vote and dumping Fallujah on us, pulling out, then dumping it again, his VP shooting a guy in the face, enter Obama.

[Anonymous]

Conservatives won on the issue of ending slavery in the US. (In congress, all Democrats voted against the bill to ban slavery... All Republicans voted for the bill and set the slaves free.) I suppose it was a good thing that the Republicans were the majority at the time.

After their loss in the the civil war, the democrat party founded the KKK. It was successful for a time, but now it is not doing so good. I count this as a loss.

The democrats have won on some things...

They managed to take control of almost all media in the country, by following the plans and life work of Reich propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels. You can't deny that they own CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, just to name a few. They are on the verge of taking over Fox News as well. They control nearly every major newspaper in the country. They control all of the "big tech" companies : Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Google. Yeah, they temporarily lost full control of Twitter, but they will manage to get that back soon. The DNC issues a bulletin every day to all of this media. The bulletin has the day's " talking points". The media all says basically the same things, with slightly different wording, and it all left-wing propaganda. This is a method called "positive reinforcement", that Herr Goebbels used to great effect. For example, if CNN ran a story that claimed that Trump was one of the people who stabbed Julius Caesar in the Roman senate, then you saw similar reports on MSNBC and the the other networks, then it would have to be true, right? You might find the example funny, but woke democrats are indoctrinated and brainwashed. A media blitz on this ridiculous story would definitely be believed by these people. At this point, they are mindless drones. Mika Brzezinski, of MSNBC actually said, on air, that it is their job to tell their viewers what to think! The democrat party is actually shaping the reality of their sheep!

Another thing the democrats won at was their total, absolute takeover of the education system. Somehow, nearly every teacher and faculity member in schools, colleges, and universities in the USA are radical woke liberals. You can go to Twitter right now, and search for "LibsOfTiktok" or "Clown World" and you will see actual videos, posted by these so-called teachers, bragging about indoctrinating little kids in kindergarten & elementary schools. The schools are literally covered with pride posters and propaganda all over the walls. Teachers are directing students to say the pledge of allegiance to a pride flag in some classrooms. Check out their videos and see for yourself. The democrats are destroying Gen Z right now!

Hitler knew that in order to pacify the German people, he needed to control the media and the schools. This is how he remained in power without the citizens revolting against his government. The democrats learned this lesson. by the way, the Nazi party was National SOCIALIST. Ask any brainwashed college student right now, and they will tell you that Socialism is superior to Capitalism. They have been brainwashed to HATE capitalism and hate the American flag.

Yes, the democrats might be winning, but the USA is definitely losing! Take a long look at North Korea. That is where the nation is heading. A one-party, totalitarian socialist state.

[Bricealan]

Correct on every count... How soon they forget!!! God help us!!!

[Siri137]

In your country, wasn't it Abraham Lincoln who freed the slaves, and wasn't he a Republican president? Yes, I do believe he was! Wasn't the Ku Klux Klan founded by Democrats? Yes again!

It really is frightening to think that there are people like you, Americans, who don't even understand their own history, and require someone like me (a non-American) to educate them on it.

Anyway, no, conservatives always win. Nations like East Germany, Yugoslavia and the USSR were all progressive, left-wing authoritarian hellholes, and where are they now? Gone!

[blueonblack22]

Liberals “win” because they are all about “expressing yourself” (having no self control), doing whatever feels good (putting your genitals wherever) and blaming other people for your actions and lack of accountability. Communism is conveniently blind to the fact that some people work harder, make sacrifices and use their talents to get ahead.

So it’s all about the easy way out and doing whatever feels good. If things don’t work out for you and the the “system” failed you. That’s an easy sell it many people. Don’t feel guilty and don’t feel accountable.

However there is one major problem and it’s called reality. You need to have efficient markets and resources for this. You need to have people to work hard so others don’t have to. You need to hace straight people reproducing and not aborting children so humanity doesn’t go extinct!

So enjoy the sugar high because there is always a crash that follows. We have already gotten a taste of this considering what the Biden administration has done to the economy and inflation.

[lightbulb27]

For sure. don't believe me, believe the Bible... it says so.

Conservative (which is a BS term ) is oriented to traditional values. Those values are put in place to preserve a set of standards so that society survives and succeeds and reproduces.

Humans have all kinds of variations and creative ideas. I ask you, we is diversity and inclusion excluding the cannibals of Amazon? They have a right to eat? What a bunch of liberal hypocrits! And what of the tribes that believe people should be thrown into a volcano to calm nature... that could help reduce volcanic ash?

That's the point, there are some set of standards that humans will adhere to, it's just liberals are a bit more broad and considerate of the plight of those whom are not doing well (poor, etc..).

But introduce many different thoughts and ideas and by nature of government, all have to be accepted... it gets watered down, generalized. Religion has largely been thrown out of society whereas it used to be the core of it.

The Bible says how this is going to go, it's always been a battle of reproduction.

Conservatives aren't necessarily right about everything. Liberals used to make more sense... but they slid too far left.

Slavery? I don't see liberals fighting human trafficking and I do so the right doing so. Odd...

[Anonymous]

Conservatives losing? Ha! That's like saying a pornstar can't make a living off their massive cock. Sure, they may not always be on top, but they know how to screw their way to power and hold tight to their conservative beliefs like a grip on a throbbing erection.

Conservatives may lose in the long run, but they sure know how to hold on tight to their guns, bibles, and big ol' boners. They may be slow to change, but when they do, they do it with a bang, just like when they finally let women vote and suddenly every woman in America was getting wetter than a monsoon in the Amazon.

Nothing gets a conservative hotter than a good old-fashioned gun show or a rousing debate about the merits of trickle-down economics. And the forbidden fruit of conservative kinks, like getting off to the Pledge of Allegiance or role-playing as a founding father and a colonial housewife in a steamy historical reenactment.

But while liberals may be making all the progressive changes, conservatives are still holding strong with their traditional values and their rock-hard ideologies. And who knows, maybe one day they'll surprise us all and come out swinging with their own progressive agenda, like legalizing incestuous marriages between cousins or turning the Supreme Court into a giant sex party.

So let's not count the conservatives out just yet, because they may just surprise us with their own brand of kinky conservatism. And if all else fails, there's always the Bible - nothing gets a conservative harder than a good old-fashioned sermon on the evils of premarital sex.

[Avicenna]

as usual, you show a poor grasp of history because you filter everything through your warped ideological prism.
Leftists view “wins” as imposing their extremism on everyone- one-party-rule with a command economy. Leftist “wins” are most notably on display in Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea, and they’re trying to add to that list elsewhere.

[ShadezMcgee]

The man is a professional troll. Can't and shouldn't take him seriously.

[Avicenna]

@ShadezMcgee: Yeah, he’ll bring doing it until his sugar moms dumps him and he has to get a job holding placards.

[OddBeMe]

@ShadezMcgee ahh I’m a pro? Thanks bud!

[ShadezMcgee]

@OddBeMe I am not your bud. Never will be

[OddBeMe]

@ShadezMcgee buddy…homeboy!

[hahahmm]

Well, you better hope not because if 100% of conservative ideas go away then civilization will collapse and people will be living like wild animals in a wilderness. Except unlike wild animals, most humans are too dumb to survive without corporate stores selling them things or government handing them things but corporations & government will also fail.

We can see signs of collapse already when you look at the decline in the number of skilled workers, that 85% of the people in prison come from single mom homes... that the birthrate is declining fast. The fact that the typical man today has no backbone as he's been taught to behave more like a female. These guys think they are too good to maintain power plants, water treatment facilities, lights, heat and so on. Women ain't going to do it. For example only 3% of auto mechanics are women. The future is going to look more like the end of an apocalypse movie than the utopia liberals imagine.

[misogynistic_pig]

For the world to become the way it is today, with tradition almost completely eliminated in favor of a globohomo world where young children are being normalized, conservatives have had to lose every significant culture war in human history.

When someone declares himself a conservative, he is really claiming that he is a loser, someone who is destined to suffer when the left attacks.

Conservatives have lost on all fronts: free speech, the military, universities, marriage, the nuclear family, early childhood education, the media, government, the Boy Scouts, business, the law.

and justice, Christianity, patriarchy, immigration, the welfare state, and capitalism.

[normalice]

Sort of. Once the debate becomes less heated it's easy to accept that a marginalized group ought not be marginalized. And as the older generations die, taking their anger with them, all such debates have traditionally become less heated over time. However, we are in a unique time. Whole media empires have been built around the model of keeping the anger hot and ready to give people a reason to vote for the sort of politicians no one would otherwise vote for, because they really just want to give those who own the media more money.

[Kiss_Me]

Are you asking as a blanket statement, or as a loaded statement to push a liberal agenda?

The most correct answer I can offer is this:

Conservatives win most of the time. There are things like social norms that need to be followed for our society to function. Start pushing or breaking social moral or ethical norms and most people will resist change. ... as they should.

Over time, the perception of morality and ethics changes. It is then that SOME progressive ideas begin to change social norms. Slavery, women's rights, etc.

So the answer to your questions is... sometimes.

[monorprise]

If you exclude inevitable civilization's collapse yes. On net in systems of collective control like goverment leftist tend to have a fairly strong built in advantage as their interest in power lines up nicely with the interest of those driven to run such systems.

Of course in the real world the systems of power collapse under the weight of theses bad choices and everything resets. In that respect the left always loses, they just tend to lose catastrophically with their golden goose.

[Anonymous]

Ultimately liberals lose too with liberal policies. Raise the minimum wage and what happened? Thousands of workers replaced by automatic ordering machines, the service industry raising prices and reducing the number of employees.
Liberals wanted to keep their slaves and opposed the civil war. Conservatives wanted to free the slaves for the sake of the small farmer and us economy. Liberals replaced their slaves with Mexicans because they don't want to pay fair wages.
Conservatives want to conserve the environment.
The US has the best healthcare in the world, obamacare is unaffordable because of the obesity promoting liberals policy of healthy at any size.
Gay marraige doesn't matter as its not recognised by Christians.
Marajuanna? Who do you think grows it?

https://youtu.be/1iYp0X3wXdc

[Anonymous]

Not always, we are winning the Transgender debate. I was a liberal center left in 2016. I like Trump because he was an asshole (still an asshole) but beyond the environment, which I still think nuclear is the best option, because the solar and wind are jokes. I’ve become more conservative. There 3 thing they haven’t won me over on and that weed and religion (the Jews are getting there) and weed animal conservation. I will take a turkey or a deer illegally here and there because I use every bit of the deer or a turkey. But I eat what I kill and I don’t do it excessively

[Anonymous]

No, the liberal just redefined slavery (zero hours, unliveable wages and tipping culture), wait until they bring in the environmental genocide to make net zero happen

Liberals will lose when there no money left and everywhere basically SF, Chicago or Portland

[OddBeMe]

True in an abstract sense. But liberals in general freed slaves from legalized whippings, work without pay and oh being property.

[Opinion Owner]

Only thing that's gone is the whippings unless you pay for them, $2 an hour these days might as well be unpaid and technically the government owns everyone COVID proved that lockdowns and all that

[JamesMI616]

False. Conservatives play the cutthroat long game. They're all on the same page and have no problem bending the rules to their favor. They're pretty much the Empire in Star Wars. Even if the Rebels occasionally win the empire always ends up taking over the galaxy

[OddBeMe]

I mean you’re not wrong. But again in the end the good guys win. And obvi here I’m being abstract and macro in thought. Looking at 100 years. All the new legislation politicians pat themselves on the back for are liberal.

[JamesMI616]

I'm not so sure. Most of those victories are hard won & short lived. It often feels like one step forward and 2 backward. At least since WW2. They repealed RvW, gutted the voting rights act, began war profiteering & stopped caring for vets, destroyed unions and the middle class, let corporations become people and buy elections and stole a supreme court majority. They fought the affordable care act every step of the way and have since tried to repeal it over 30 times. I haven't even mentioned affordable housing or the prison industrial complex or Jim crow laws both old and new. Part of the problem is that the good guys aren't organized and don't play as a team. I believe that good people are the majority, but the majority of the power & resources are in the hands of a few elites.

[OddBeMe]

Again, it’s baby steps. But liberalism IS the goal right?

[Juxtapose]

Why would you be happy about pride parades? I am bisexual and I think they are an abomination. Have you seen the video of that kid petting that gay dude in a gym suit like he's a dog and he's acting like a dog? Do you think that's acceptable? If you don't believe me I can find the video for you..

[Juxtapose]

*gimp suit

[snowboarder720]

I’m happy that pride parades allow people to feel like they don’t have to hide themselves for who they truly are without the shame they are taught to taught their entire lives.
To lead your argument you list an example of a video of someone being pet like a dog? Seriously get a better example.

[Juxtapose]

If you think a child indulging a man's fetish and petting him like he's a dog is in any way acceptable then you are a pedophile.

[Juxtapose]

And you are a groomer.

[snowboarder720]

Straight people force children to indulge in their fetish all the time. That has absolutely nothing to do with excluding the LGBTQ+ community. Find a better example to lead your argument 😆

[Juxtapose]

What the hell are you talking about? What fetish? Having a wholesome relationship and not dressing like you are in a gentleman's club in public? Shameful!

[snowboarder720]

Are you not aware that predators groom children too? What part about anything that I’ve said do you not understand

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose and you must be a groomer to immediately think that.

[Juxtapose]

@snowboarder720 straight people don't hold weird parades and expose children to their fetishes on anything of the level approaching pride parades.

[Juxtapose]

Baseless ad hominem attack Odd.

[snowboarder720]

Every parade I’ve seen is a weird straight parade. Lol this guy thinks straight people who are predators don’t expose children to fetish’s!
Goodbye.

[Juxtapose]

Show me an example of one weird straight parade.

You don't have shit and are engaging in false equivalencies. You really suck at this.

[stepyo99]

100% true. The Republican party in the USA is filled with spineless wimps and controlled opposition who have done nothing to actually "conserve" anything. And often, they are the ones who are pushing for supposedly liberal policies.

As sick and depraved as the Democrat party is, I have to admire them for their understanding of the nature of power and how to wield it.

[InsecureLivesMatter]

Especially Candace Owens and Jeffree Star

[Anonymous]

Well yes, sadly way too slow. Conservatism by definition is about keeping the status quo. Some things will always change, thats just nature but instead we could keep going forward and actually stay with the changes and make something better but that is often stopped by conservatives.

[OddBeMe]

Yes, true. Normally I’d say conservatives are there to slow things down but last 30 years they took a nose dive into insanity.

[strateguy632]

to an, depends WHICH changes, dnc changed for WORSE even according to cnn usually liberal bias. also approval rate crashed see stat or my mytake here.

[ObscuredBeyond]

They will if they don't uphold the law, punish evildoers, and grow some teeth already. This insane insistence that's been around since the 90s that we have some bizarre moral obligation to always wear kid gloves, even when doing so is clearly a suicide pact, has castrated what should be an unstoppable holy terror. And thus, the wolves have lost their fear and respect, and prey on everyone with reckless abandon.

[goaded]

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever." George Orwell.

It almost happened starting with just one European country, who would stand up against the entire USA? China? Russia?

Democracy is fragile, it needs defending.

[DarkWinterNights]

You could say that. But you could also say that progressives are progressing a little too fast and mistakes are being made.


One could also argue that some of the “progress” has become self destructive to the left, particularly when it comes to reproduction. A disproportionate amount of social issues involve sterilization, preventing pregnancy and terminating pregnancies.


Could explain the hyper-fixation that both Leftists and Conservatives have on who is teaching kids what.

[Grond21]

If conservatism is defined as the opposite of any change, then they will always lose because changes will always happen. It's a convenient definition for someone who wants to make the argument without actually diving into the real meat of the matter. So it's not quite a straw man, but close.