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Personally I think they want our country to look like Putin’s. All oligarchs and then a vast divide of little worker ants.
Tuberville, who frequently is caught speaking at white nationalist events, says Ukraine is a lost cause.
Neither democrats or republicans care whether Ukraine win or not. They've taken an anti-war stance because the democrats are pro war and as a lot of Americans are suffering, rising inflation, Americans losing their homes, the cost of covid etc and they are using it for political capital. In the end I'd DeSantis got in US policy wouldn't change over Ukraine anymore than Obama changed US policy in Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember Obama was opposed to the war in the middle but during his two terms it expanded to the point where the US Military was bombing in more countries than they had since WW2.
US support in Ukraine is not determined by the democrat party. Its an overall Military, economic and foreign affairs strategy to break Russia militarily and economically, to bleed Russia and replace the US as the dominant power in Russian spheres of influence ie Ukraine, Syria, Georgia, Belarus and central asia. Maybe break away some Russian states to become independent. Since the breakup of the soviet union and end of the warsaw pact the US has brought nearly all those former Warsaw countries into NATO.
You mean in the lowest point in a decade or more, during a pandemic?
tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi
" a lot of Americans are suffering" ... because of Democrats, not the failure of Republicans to agree to tax the LARGEST corporate profits in the history of the United States?
* rising inflation - sorry dude, your understanding of inflationary costs is sophomoric. You rattle off what "the effects of Covid and a WORLD WIDE pandemic" did to WORLD'S supply chain, as if were just some trucks that broke down on Friday and couldn't get fixed until Monday. DUH. There's very real reasons it elevated the way it did at the start of 2020, but the only ones you want to believe are..." It's the Democrats fault". Did I say sophomoric? Sorry,, make that middle school.
You apparently have no CLUE as to the domino effect that took place, or takes place, when even the simplest of components are removed from the supply chain. You can argue that you somehow DO understand that point, but if you DID, you'd never try and blame one man, or one administration, that walked into an existing pandemic! Mind-boggling dumb assessment, a la the GOP.
Your only valid point is about the US not getting out of Afghanistan during Obama's terms, but hey, the military complex that is the USA needed to keep that going because deployment makes money, doesn't it, but for whom? Oh, and do yourself a favor and don't even speak DeSatan's name as if he's somehow viable - he's a fucking Nazi and so is anyone who even remotely supports him.
@loveslongnails DeSantis is a nazi because he offers bus tickets to sanctuary cities?
I didn't say just Afganistan. I'm talking about Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Libya etc. During the Obama administration there was less and less deployments and the US became more reliant on mercenary armies.
Offered? Sorry dude, DeSatan didn't offer anything - he lied and here's the story. Not only that, but he also probably broke Federal Law, and if I'd have been President, I'd have brought him on charges.
www.nytimes.com/.../...ineyard-desantis-texas.html
He's a Nazi because of all his other policies and laws that he's passing, or haven't you heard or read of any of them? He's a Nazi because he's following their playbook, and he truly believes in his own supremacy, and White Supremacy. You need to do some research.
@loveslongnails lied. An offer is something you can refuse. He sent them to a holiday resort full of vacant hotel rooms and houses and they locked them all into a church and had the national guard take them away to a neighbouring town on a bus. I wish someone would bus me to a holiday resort for free.
I think its pretty racist to label a person of color a white Supremacist because you dislike their political beliefs.
OH my God! THAT story was debunked the day after it was published. LMFAO. You sound really ignorant to say "an offer is something you can refuse". Oh really? Not in this case buddy. NO ONE was able to say "no, wait a minute, what's going on". They got loaded and shipped.
The fact that you're defending Ron DeSatan in ANY way tells me who you are, so no reply is needed. I told you what I think you are when you support or defend him in any way. Spew your bullshit to somebody else.
@loveslongnails nipe not true. Who do you imagine loaded them on to a bus against their will?
On the other hand they weren't given a chance to stay in Martha's vineyard which had thousands of free hotel rooms and houses. No they were locked up in a church and forced into a bus by the local police and national guard.
I dont see anything wrong in offering ilegal immigrants free travel to sanctuary cities that are offering to house them and support them.
If I offered you a free flight to Marthas Vinyard and a job at the other end, then dumped you in El Paso instead, would you be satisfied if someone said you voluntarily boarded the flight?
"The migrants each received a red folder containing a map of the United States, with an arrow stretching from Texas to Massachusetts. Another map in the shape of Martha’s Vineyard had a dot for the airport and one for the community services center.
Also in the folder was a brochure, apparently fake, titled “Refugee Migrant Benefits,” in English and Spanish. The cover proclaimed, “Massachusetts Welcomes You,” and featured a state flag that was not in fact the state flag. Listed on the back were the names and numbers of a church, a synagogue and a nonprofit on Martha’s Vineyard.
The pamphlet, reviewed by The Times, also promised “up to eight months of cash assistance” for “income-eligible” refugees in Massachusetts, apparently mimicking benefits offered to refugees who arrive in the United States through the country’s official resettlement program, which the Venezuelans were not part of."
Do you understand the fallacy of the false dilemma? ↗
"under armed guard" Bullshit.
Because TRUMP is in bed with Putin
reminder trump delayed the war. Russia only started because it thought biden dnc were pushovers.
@strateguy632 Keep watching FOX I guess...
@strateguy632 they invaded Crimea in 2014.
umm... that's the Democrats who are doing that to our country.
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I wouldn't know.
Honestly I'm not a big fan of both Russians and Ukrainians for different reasons, but I do recognize that Russia should withdraw from Ukraine and respect it's sovereignity, so the Ukrainian people can rebuild the country and we can send back all their refugees.
My affilation current stance with Ukrainians basically is that the enemy of our enemy is out friend.
I think many Conservatives do not want Russia to be defeated militarily. NATO and the USA bungled the dissolution of the USSR. Russia was left surrounded by hostiles. When the USA defeated the USSR at the end of the Cold War and we built up NATO. we should have worked out a trade alliance with them just as we did Germany, Japan and South Korea. We have even shaken hands with Communist Vietnam. The Russians are still assholes because they did not have a better choice when the USSR failed. We had our chance to shake hands with Yeltsin, but Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, etc. needed an enemy. They were too stupid to understand China is our enemy. Russia could always have been bought with trade Dollar$.
Russia was surrounded by states that had been taken over by the Soviet Russia, suffering tremendous harm, is it any wonder they didn't trust Russia? That was nothing to do with the US. The problem is that Russia didn't want those states looking East and West and deciding things looked better in the latter direction. The West has been trading in good faith with Russia for decades, that's why we were so dependent on Russian gas when the war started!
This is all down to Putin. Russians don't care what their neighbours do, as long they don't invade. Nor did their neighbours, but Russia (Putin) keeps invading them.
to dargil, content militarily, TOO LATE. russia has lost so much of their best jets and tanks, that they are now sending tanks from 1960s and 1970s just to continue.
@strateguy632 it appears to be the case also that the corrupt Russian military over the last 30 years has been pawning most of their military to the 3td word so that now its easy to buy an AK47 but a Russian soldier in Ukraine is forced to use a relic from ww2
Most don’t we’re just tired of sending money to Ukraine. The reality is the United States can’t afford to keep sending money to Ukraine (frankly we don’t have enough money to spend on our mandatory spending.)
I was Ukraine to win but Zelenskyy to loose the guy is a liar he is a snake and he’s demanding that Europe defends him and start ww3. He’s tired to start ww3 many many times. I can’t stand that man.
Putin is a Christian nationalist and republicans want Christian nationalism.
reminder pence rnc ex-vp said support ukraine, but don't overspend.
Ah, the warmongering left at it again. I didn’t realize you were so worried bout white nationalists. Guess you have issue with nazis in the Ukraine army? Or no?
Got it. Nazis are a-ok according to you.
Riiiight. Your bullshit is so pathetic, I doubt you even believe it. No one can be that consistently stupid.
You two are hilarious.
Of course, you're just fine with it. What was it again? In your opinion Holocaust Denial is neither Evil nor Morally Incorrect. Is Holocaust Denial Evil or Morally Incorrect? ↗
You (in a previous life) claimed there was nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial. Putin's happy with convicted murderers on his side, so why wouldn't a country take anyone willing to fight on their side? It's not like they're going to be able to take over, since the country is a democracy.
You're wrong, of course, since you respond to every true post I make about you. If you didn't care that I point out that you've said there's nothing evil or immoral about Holocaust denial, you'd just let that true statement stand. You won't, of course.
On the other hand, I respond to lies about me.
There is, because I don't support anyone starting a war, but I support a country that has been invaded. So "warmonger" is a lie. I've also never said that I have "no problem with nazis in the ukraine army", I have a problem with Nazis in any army, but I can understand that Ukraine will accept anyone who is willing to fight for their country, and that they make up a tiny fraction of the country and will never be running it.
So, having responded to your two lies, let's get back to your own words, on this site: you said there's nothing evil or immoral about Holocaust denial.
Feel free to explain that statement, or just leave it there. (You won't, of course.)
I didn't actually want you to keep lying, you know! I'll keep telling the truth: you've said that Holocaust denial is neither evil nor immoral. It's both, and I've never said "being an actual nazi is ok", as you know. All I've said is that a country at war can't afford to be picky about who will fight for it. Law abiding citizens, even if they have repulsive ideas, are better than sending convicted murderers to fight for you like Russia has.
Supporting actual nazis is worse. But you both tried.
I'm saying that saying there's nothing wrong Holocaust denial, like you have, normalises and enables Nazis. Compared to simply accepting the fact that there are probably Nazis in every armed forces, you're much worse. Until recently they used to pretend not to be, but people like you (charitably, I hope you were just trying to be "edgy" when you said Holocaust denial is neither immoral or evil) normalise it and groom people to see it as "maybe not so bad". You're working to recruit Nazis, wittingly or otherwise.
Oh, look another tell that you're losing the argument. DARVO, and declare victory.
You've done nothing but lie about what I've said. I've done nothing but tell the truth that you said there's nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial, and that's a great deal worse than accepting that a country at war can't be picky about who it lets fight for it.
@goaded I’ve summed it up perfectly. You have no problems with Nazis in the Ukraine army. You have no problem with the us sending it’s treasure to Ukraine. What you won’t do is actually sacrifice personally for a cause you believe so strongly is, it’s been your profile pic ever since you were programmed to do so.
Instead of patting yourself on the back (nobody else is going to do it because you're talking crap), and lying about what I've said, you could try explaining why you said there's nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial. Were you being "edgy", or do you really believe normalising Nazism is a good idea?
They're not protests, it's a clear question. They may be repetative but that's for three reasons: 1. they're true, 2. you don't dare answer, and 3. you're incapable of just shutting the f*ck up when you're wrong. Why did you say there's nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial that time, trying to be edgy, or simply normalising fascism to make more Nazis?
@goaded back when journalists were willing to report the truth about Ukraine
www.reuters.com/.../commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY
Nobody has ever denied that there are Nazis in Ukraine, just like nobody has ever denied there are paedophiles in the church; funding Ukraine's defence is "funding Nazis" like church donations are funding paedophiles. Any sane person can see that you're being ridiculous, but that's the lie you're using to avoid answering for your own personal words: why did you say there's nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial that time? Were you trying to be edgy, or simply normalising fascism to make more Nazis?
No you're not, you're just finding excuses not to explain why you said there was nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial. No possible answer would be a good look for you, which is why you're throwing shit around like a deranged monkey.
Now it's "look at how much defending democracy costs", previously it was "funding Ukraine's defence is funding Nazis" (equivalent to claiming donating to churches is funding paedophiles), before that you tried "masks and vaccines are the true fascism" (when violently attempting to invalidate elections, Holocaust denial, blaming "the Jews" for everything, as if they could all agree on anything, is true fascism)...
No you're not, you're making inflamatory and incorrect statements about what we supposedly think, although I've explained the truth multiple times in terms even the most dense can understand, and you have no recourse but to lie even more when I point out that you, personally and on this site, said there's nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial. That's in your own words, not some bullshit misinterpretation of something completely different. Why did you do it?
You just described what passes for logic in your mind, not reality. Ukraine is an invaded democracy that wants closer ties to the West. That is worth defending. There are Nazis in Ukraine, just as there are paedophiles in the church; both need removing, but they're not the reason either is funded.
I can think of two logical reasons why you said there's nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial. One is that you were trying to be "edgy", the other is that you believe it; either one encourages Nazis. Why did you do it?
No, you're lying about that. I've explained many times that saying funding the defence of democratic Ukraine is funding Nazis as much as church donations are funding paedophilia. They're there, need removing, but a tiny fraction of the whole. Why did you, personally, say Holocaust denial is not immoral or evil?
Nope, you're simply avoiding answering why you claim there's nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial. You haven't addressed the point at all for days now, which speaks volumes about you. Prove me wrong: quote what you've said justifying saying there's nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial. I can quote several times I've explained why you're making shit up.
@gorydetails
I thought we put this to bed. Joel, our own military has Nazis in it. Your president brought them out.
rollcall.com/.../
Lmao. As long as you are fine with it, then at least be a man and admit it.
It's amazing how often you will tell the same obvious lie to avoiding answering questions like why you claimed there's nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial. You haven't addressed the point at all for days now, which speaks volumes about you. Prove me wrong: quote what you've said justifying saying there's nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial. I can quote several times I've explained why you're making shit up.
I'm still typing because you're still lying. I've addressed why your statements are nonsense over and over, you've never said why you said there's nothing evil or immoral about Holocaust denial. Like I said before, your obvious choices would be to answer the question or STFU but you're incapable of either.
@goaded and you said there was nothing wrong with nazis in Ukraine army. You STILL actively virtue signal for them, despite most of your npc buddies getting an upgrade to their programming. You Still think it’s ok for the US to deplete its treasury while your country gives a pathetic amount in comparison.
No, as always you're lying. I said there are Nazis in the Ukrainian army but there are also Nazis in the US army, and that funding the defence of Ukraine is not the same thing as funding Nazis, any more that donating to a church is funding paedophiles. Since we're talking about Nazis, how about you explain why you actually said there was nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial?
It's almost as if you ignore everything I write. Funding the defence of Ukraine is not the same thing as funding Nazis, any more that donating to a church is funding paedophiles. Since we're still talking about Nazis, and you're still avoiding the question: how about you explain why you actually said there was nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial?
Since you're still avoiding the question: how about you explain why you actually said there was nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial?
While you're at it, how come your lies correspond to Russian propaganda? There, the official history textbook for 17-year-olds calls Ukraine a neo-Nazi state. That even makes Florida's revisionist history requirements look... no, they're both really, objectively, terrible.
www.washingtonpost.com/.../
Crying to daddy now, are you? Your attempts to avoid explaining why you said there was nothing immoral or evil about Holocaust denial are getting more and more ridiculous.
I've thought of a third possible answer to go along with you like advancing Nazi propaganda or you're advancing Nazi propaganda to seem edgy: you think that freedom of speech means that nothing you say matters.
You can simply stop replying, but you seem incapable of doing that.
you misinterpreted, gop rnc oppose the overspending. they were clear they hope ukraine wins. just dont overspend.
u. s. biden dnc administration is now spending, so much... on many bad priorities including Ukraine, that the SECOND credit rating company , has agreed with first to lower u. s. government credit worthiness. that is how much.
For the same reason some of the GOP wants the US government to shut down first and then default... they're traitors hoping to bring about armegeddon.
you refer to "not raise debt limit" another option is spend less.
@strateguy632 Less than they've already passed a law to spend. That's what's ridiculous (and arguably unconstitutional) about the debt limit.
I don't give a fuck about Ukraine, I wish we weren't wasting all this money on this bullshit.
Chuckle…Jackson in 1820s was dealing with a fraction of our global economics of the last 30 years. But ok. In the meantime he still had time to pay for Indian scalps make native Americans go on long walks (wink, wink). We should banish him from our presidential history, but I’m not for censorship.
And when did Joe lie? Especially compared to Trump?
Yeah and Obama bombed fucking innocent people in Yemen with drones, JFK had the Bay of Pigs, Trump drowned some teenager like an Obama wannabe, Joe Biden bumbled on the Afghanistan withdrawal and got a lot of people killed, George Walker Bush, well do I even need the fucking say anything? Etc.
You really want convince us to vote for Republicans in the next elections, don't ya?
A lost cause on our end. That doesn't mean they want Russia to win, that means they want us to remain neutral. We have wasted enough money on this war.
Anything to stop the comic and criminal syndicate lauding billions in drugs through the collective countries they control
I don't care who wins because neither do anything for me, just keep Poland out of it
The more pertinent question is how much money do the corrupts Pedocrats have stashed in the Ukraine, and how long will they allow Zelinsky to hold this money hostage.
Ukraine has been a waste of time
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