Has "Feminism" helped or hurt women? Has it made women stronger or weaker, happy or bitter? If their body is different from a man, why not their brain?

[RingOfFire]

Younger women for the past few generations have had their heads filled with all this feminist stuff and many of them have been brainwashed to think it is somehow demeaning to be a traditional women with traditional family values. They seem to be lost in a fantasy world believing that there is no difference between men and woman. Instead of celebrating the value of being a woman, they are obsessed with trying to outman men. But it doesn't work and ends in disappointment and bitterness. Women are not “the same” as men. There are similarities of course, we are all human. But there are also significant differences. And that includes not only in their bodies but in their brains too. The differences between mens’ and womens’ bodies is obvious. So why is it so forbidden to accept that there are differences in their brains too? The notion that their brains are the only organs in their bodies that are completely the same as a man’s is laughable. Of course there are differences.

Women are better than men at some things and they are worse at other things. Feminism’s inability to admit that reality, and instead push the absurd notion that women and men are exactly the same, is an indication of the insecurity inherent in the feminist ideology. What is so taboo about recognizing the differences between men and women? The idea that they are "the same" is not only ridiculous, but cruel because it will ultimately leave believers without a family and without a feeling of fulfillment in their life.

Women should celebrate being women and being DIFFERENT from men, not try to imitate men in a way that makes them look foolish and weak. Feminism is weakness not strength. It makes women bitter not happy. It makes them out of sync with reality and their natural design and can lead to nowhere but disillusionment. It has eroded society and become an impediment to healthy male/female relationships.

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I think the entire concept of "feminism" starts out from a place of weakness because it assumes that men are oppressors and women can't defend themselves. But most importantly it embodies the underlying assumption that women need to be "just as good as men" in order to feel like they have worth. That sounds to me like an awfully weak position.

So on the one hand they view men as oppressors and on the other hand they want to be just like them. It's a study in abnormal psychology.

[Anonymous]

Feminism was good until it became communism.

That is not a straw man argument. That is an academic fact.

The root of feminism today, is the ultimate goal to dismantle the patriarchy.

This can only be done by dismantling capitalism and free markets. It means dismantling property rights and reallocating control over land and the means of production to the people.

The problem with communism is it doesn't work. It results in catastrophic economic failure. Massive unemployment. Food and housing shortages. Massive rise in poverty.

The simple reality is that free markets work. We live in free markets today. Sure there is government interventions, but individuals are allowed to own the fruits of their labor. That is the root of the problem according to feminism and communism. It is about the right to own the means of production.

A free market means the rich get rich. And that is a good thing. All of our lives are better because of it. The socialist and communist attempt to subvert this truth has resulted in ruin every single time. Any socialist or communist country operating today is still afloat to the degree that it still has free markets. And all of these countries do indeed have free markets. They just have more controls than other more free countries.

According to feminism, capitalism IS male power.

Feminism is teaching the world to want to go back to communism. And that is catastrophic for society. It is catastrophic for people's minds.

We are being taught that we are not free. That we are all merely capitalist slaves.

We have more freedom than any people have ever had ever. Even poor people.

Under a socialist/communist system you do not have more freedom because you do not have nearly as much economic advancement.

It is impossible to have economies of scale in a socialist/communist system.

It is impossible to control the economy and force everything about it to br perfectly fair. That is what causes shortages. Price controls cause shortages. People deserve to eat, well, enact price controls and watch the population starve to death.

Enact free markets and watch prices come down and watch food become increasingly available at lower and lower prices and greater abundance.

We all can have much better lives but nobody believes in a free market. We believe it is evil and unfair.

We would rather be equal but live meager lives, than to be unequal and live much better lives.

Our mental health is broken as people because communists have convinced us that we are all nothing but slaves.

[Opinion Owner]

Additionally the simple fact is the creator of communism understood everything I said and believed it was the truth.

In actuality Marx advocated in a sense for absolute free market capitalism, so as to accelerate economic growth and advancement, until the economy reaches such a level that the people can finally wrest control of the economy from those who own the businesses that participate in the economy.

The true actual communist plan, is to wait until things are so good that the market has overcome peoples need to work.

Then, everything can be redistributed, and since the free market built a massive economy and technology and so on, now with such an engine, communism is able to take over and supposedly, propel us into the future.

They truly are playing the long game. But in the short term they ought to become Austrian economists.

Or, prove that today's state of affairs is sufficient to communize the world.

I don't think we are yet. The entire world's population must be risen to a middle class state.

The only way to do that is for every country to liberalize their economies and probably become some kind of democratic republics with constitutions and such. They need to have some rule of law in addition to free markets.

So yea, get over it. The simple fact is free markets work. Marx himself knew it.

Stop trying to implement communism right now. The world is not ready. The free market haven't been allowed to be in many countries. They wish to be socialist and skip free markets.

It cannot be done.

[Lionman95]

I think it helped women to a certain degree that it gave them a voice they didn´t have prior so I say there is something good to feminism. Women got that being traditional is demeaning because success in modern society is determined by how much money you make not what you´re job does to society.

They see men taking it for granted that a woman does the housework, cares for the kids and cook while he can sit on couch drink bear and watch TV without saying a word of appreciation or acknowledgement to her. That´s the reason women want to be independent so that they could leave relationships they consider abusive. There are reasons that have come out recently like in medicine women have other symptoms then guys for having a heart attack or a stroke. It took medicine until the 21st century to figure that because before drugs where only focused on the male symptoms and not the female. Or take the dummies in cars those dolls car factories use to determine how to construct the seatbelt in cars those are predominantly male assuming there isn´t much difference between the male and female body.

I would say that feminism has its rights and had its right as long as its focused on giving women and their issues a voice that before weren´t talked about.

I think it goes wrong whenever it overstepped that line either by trying to change guys or by portraying society in black and white, where women are always the oppressed victim that have no power at all in society. Modern feminists are running down a rabbit hole that actually destroys their case.

[Anonymous]

The only type of feminism that can actually help women is radfem. Not male boot licking, pro prostitution, fetishist men are women, wearing tons of makeup and getting boob jobs is empowering -watered down feminism. Like is it even feminism at that point? Of course men hate it because it goes to the root of the issue, their constant evil attitude towards women, treating them as slaves and subhumans. Just stop doing that if you don't like feminism? But you just want women to be subhuman slaves for you so you won't. Yes it does make women bitter, how can you not be when you become self aware of the reality you've been set to live in as soon as you were born female? Obviously men would rather women close their eyes, stay in the fog and keep being their slave. 🙄
by the way when women say they're equal to men they don't mean they literally have the same muscle mass. They're trying to make you guys understand that they have more competence than just staying home being a mommy-maid or being your whore. And I'm not talking about traditional family life here. You'd be surprised at how many feminists are women who want to build a family and raise their kids at home. They just aren't finding the man they need because of most of them being horrible woman hating people. And there's no lady pink brain and macho male brain, that's BS. Also love that more and more young women are waking up 🫶 Keep fighting for the world you deserve

[HiveBee]

Your comment is contradictory because you said:

There is no lady pink brain and there is no macho male brain

And you said the following statement which is contradictory:

The only type of feminism that can help women is radfem.

The academic difference between a radfem and a "boot licking" feminist, is the idea of biological essentialism.

Academic feminism rejects biological essentialism.

Radfem embraces biological essentialism.

To reject biological essentialism, is to agree with academic feminists, and to believe in Trans gender people. And to believe that gender and even sex itself is a social construct.

Radfems do not believe the science and the psychology and even the philosophy.

I don't know if radfems even engage with the academics at all. Or if they are merely a bunch of intellectually lazy angry women who are the equivalent to any conservative in terms of willingness to engage with scholarship.

I'm not saying the academic feminists are correct about everything.

But it's like being a flat earther, and just ignoring science. But you have to ignore science in oder to be a flat earther.

If you're ignoring what they're saying, you know nothing, whether they are right or wrong, your ignorance is massive and I am now waking you up to reality.

[Z1pTD]

@anonymous i love the comment. Kudos

[MzAsh]

It’s not that it’s demeaning to be be traditional as women, it’s just that there’s not enough in it for women to be in that role. Many men want to lead with selfishness instead of service, and on an average household income of 55k a year. That’s just not going to cut it.

[RingOfFire]

I don't disagree with your assessment. But I note that before the feminist movement of the 60s/70s families with kids were able to get by just fine on a single individual's income including a house, a couple of cars and nice vacations. It wasn't until after that movement forced women to be in the impossible new role of being both the primary caregiver for children and ALSO having a full time job just to afford the necessities that things started to get tense and confusing. I think women are far more stressed now then they were prior to that movement. And families are weakened because they do not have a full time caregiver in their family to raise the children. It has eroded the strength and power of American society (which is exactly what America's enemies... those with "traditional" societies, want to happen).

[MzAsh]

I don’t doubt that women are more stressed. Research has shown that working moms are contributing financially but they’re also doing more of the housework and child care than they’re husbands, when they would be wise to delegate some of those responsibilities to their husbands. I know I’ve become a lot happier since I’ve started communicating how much it would help me for him to keep the house clean and take care of meals when we’re together. We also don’t have kids which makes managing our lives a lot easier. I think women would be wise to take time to consider what lifestyle they really want. Having what makes you happy doesn’t mean having to do it all.

[RingOfFire]

The problem is that men are not naturally suited to take care of the kids, especially the younger ones. Women are clearly more naturally suited to that role as nature designed them both physically and mentally for it. Men don't bare and breastfeed babies! Clearly that is a more natural role for women. So I don't know how realistic it is to expect those duties to be evenly split. And if they are how satisfying it will be for men. Two unhappy parents isn't ideal for a family.

[MzAsh]

Outside of baring and breastfeeding, everything else can be learned by men, and in my opinion, should be a lot more. There’s also research that single fathers are capable of taking care of their kids phenomenally, even better than single mothers. If child care is not a desirable role for men, then they don’t have to be fathers and that’s fine too.

[RingOfFire]

Fair points... but fairness isn't always consistent with nature.

[MzAsh]

I understand that. I’m just saying, there are concrete reasons why women are now less interested in traditional roles. The way our culture has evolved, we now have enticing opportunities in life that don’t limit us to serving men and babies.

[madhatters4]

i don't see how we can't say that feminism has helped women.

there was a time when they couldn't vote, own land, take time off from work to have a child, be accepted to most colleges, etc.

i'm sure most women are happy to have gained those rights. and feminism is the reason for it.

[RingOfFire]

I don't think feminism is the reason for it. I think the US Constitution and the brilliant concept it introduced to the world coupled with capitalism and free enterprise is the reason for it. America invented the idea of a level playing field and opportunity for all.

[madhatters4]

the US constitution didn't give women those rights. feminism advocated and the laws were amended.
without feminism which directly protested, advocated, etc for those rights they wouldn't have been changed... you understand this right?

[RingOfFire]

Ummmm hello? The 19th Amendment to the US Constitution was passed in 1919, long before the word feminism was invented.

[madhatters4]

wrong. feminism (the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes) was in existence in the early 1800s feminism is simply the advocacy for equality. elizabeth cady stanton and susan b anthony were some early feminists. their activism goes back to the 1840s.

the constitution was signed sept 17 1787. AMENDMENTS to it created laws. other laws gave more rights. the Constitution did not give women the right to own land, vote, etc. otherwise they wouldn't have needed amendments to it

[HiveBee]

This argument goes a lot deeper guys. The founding fathers did believe in freedom and liberty.

But in practice it didn't come out that way.

We didn't get it right for a variety of reasons. We can't say that it is freedom and liberty's fault that women were not allowed to vote, own property, and in many cases women couldn't even WORK.

The unfortunate reality is that we were primitive people advancing from a primitive age.

We had a lot to learn.

Freedom and liberty are still valid concepts. We just needed more time to understand them.

Unfortunately the constitution was always up to interpretation.

Nothing is solid objective and can only be seen one way and no others. That is the nature of politics and human interactions.

That is the nature of contracts and social contracts. Common law theory any ANY law theory. Any kind of system.

Thinks get complex and interpretations run wild.

We had a lot of racism and just unevolved states of being.

It influenced our laws greatly.

[RingOfFire]

@madhatters4

There is a world of difference between feminism and the kind of advocacy for women that took place prior to the passing of the 19th Amendment. It's apples and oranges. Feminism is a politically motivated plague intended to infect the minds of the vulnerable with an anti-societal agenda. Advocacy for women's rights, especially as it took place prior the 19th Amendment was not. It was simply a call for a confirmation of the rights already granted in the original constitutional document.

[jshm2]

You don't think at all then, dumbass. The so called "constitution" was copied from the Brits mainly and still did little to solve anything. Hence the reason for the slave riots, feminism, Black civil rights movements and massive movements against the US government. The USA stole more than it ever gave. It is the epitome of a ponzi scheme society, that steals from others to sustain itself.

[Peter_Penetrator]

Women have nurturing engrained in their DNA. If a woman chooses not to be June Cleaver it doesn’t mean she still can’t be feminine.


Depending on how a woman was raised, has a huge impact on what kind of mother she will become.


If her mom was a stay at home, then there is a greater chance that she will be as well. If her mom was a 9 to 5er, so to speak, chances are her daughter will be to and she will be less likely to have children. She will look to be a career woman. She may not even want the physical, mental or financial responsibility that comes with be a mother. She just might want to live life for herself and enjoy what life has to offer someone that isn’t tied to family life.


You also need to remember this, it depends on what part of the United States women live in that determines if they will be more masculine vs feminine.


A city girl will most likely me less feminine than a good old country girl, but at the same time may CHOOSE a few masculine qualities.


Most 9 to 5 women have no choice, they must be more butch to make it in male dominated job positions and that is where they want to be most equal.

[Peter_Penetrator]

I need to add a bit more here. Feminism has made dating a lot harder for both men and women.

Men nowadays find it harder to be more straight forward with our intentions towards the women we are interested in. Only out of fear of offending and getting the proverbial drink thrown in our face.

This in turn makes it harder on women because now they must invite a man’s attention first with different forms of flirtation and the inexperienced guys can be oblivious to those signals.

We look for obvious signs that a woman is inviting us to approach.

Very few men can just cold approach these days.

Most guys refuse to approach without that invite.

[Potteplante]

And what is my "natural design". Staying home and serving on others while being reliant on others my whole life? Because that would make me extremely bitter.

No I'm not the same as a man, but I sure as hell have the same capabilities of leading my own life, I'm just as capable of working - which brings me joy (& I guess the men I work with are betraying their "natural design" by working in a "unmasculine field") and a man is just as capable as me to be a nurturing and a caring parent as I, a man is just as capable of picking up the vacuum as me.

I celebrate being a woman, I love it - I love my feminity and everything about it, however I support the equal rights feminism has given me.

[Brittanyroseee]

I get told im selfish because I don’t want kids. I've been told that women are meant to serve their husbands and raise their offspring. I sure as hell don’t want to😂id love to get married or have a lifelong relationship, but I don’t want kids involved for many many reasons lmfaoo. I get told im selfish like i had no clue kids were a requirement and a must. I thought kids need parents who want them?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂but yeah i agree with u. I don’t even want to rely on marriage for financially stability. People can leave. I want to take care of myself before anything else.

[Spongebobssocks]

It has hurt women and men. Women have been shamed for being feminine and fullfilling the roles we are best at.. better suited than men!

Men get hated for being men and doing what they are best suited with.

All of these people demonstrating in the streets in the western world are privliage people who haven't gone thruogh any hard ship in life. This is not happening in eastern world. They have real issues they dont need to make them up.. The only people I've met that have done these stuff are super privliaged..

[ManOnFire]

Feminism has largely been pioneered by women who are insecure about being a woman. They have inner issues that has made them want to shake up everything beyond just "women's rights" to now wanting gender to no longer exist. Ridiculous. Feminists also hate women more than anyone else because in their eyes being a woman is weak and lowly, which is why they want to be greater than men. And they hate women who don't think like them either.

These are the same women who think of themselves as big bad, brave, strong bitches yet whine about everything like weaklings who can't handle the world, and also block people on the Internet they can't handle either. That's not strong or powerful.

[KrakenAttackin]

Feminism is an outgrowth of Marxist/Leninists ideology and was never meant to "make women happy". Ideologues realized that women are much easier to manipulate and indoctrinate than men. Once the women were indoctrinated, the men who want sex from women, wound fall in line or be cut off.

Show me a Communist country that has a feminist movement? You can't. Why? Because they are already Communist.

[RingOfFire]

Interesting take about how the progression of feminist Marxism flows.

[SexyBrunetteNY]

I agree. Women are often caught up with playing the victim card and associate traditional roles with make oppression. It's just wrong, and both genders are cheated on account of it.

[RingOfFire]

Refreshing comment from a woman. 👍

[SexyBrunetteNY]

Being a team player in your own family is NOT 'male oppression' lol it's when a man is abusive when a woman is oppressed.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

This feminism ish has to stop. Only online you hear about feminism bs.

Believe me only a fringe of people think about feminism and most are online.

Out in the real world, people are working, worrying about bills, inflation of housing and groceries cost and raising their kids and more important stuff on their minds.

Feminism has helped women get their rights under the law, get credit available to them and education so it's work is done.

Nobody in western society is thinking about feminism except the fringe of society and weirdos on the internet who are obsessed with it.

[tzdc21]

Feminism has done more harm than good to both men and women. Men because it instilled an immediate hatred for us just for existing. Women because it has taught them to not only despise men, but has filled their heads up with lies to try and tell them what will make them happy, only for them to find out much later in life that it was all a waste. When it first began, it was good, but the feminism nowadays is downright awful for everyone.

[lovelybones6]

Modern feminism fucked with all of us, just saying.. both on the men's side and the females side.

This is why I support men rather than women now.. it's all pathetic.. the patriarchy, the matriarchy. Its all the same damn thing. Who cares.

See, I'm an existential nihilist who really doesn't give two shits which side I'm on.. as long as the world is "fine" with it, I'm fine on neither side.

[Z1pTD]

^Yep

[DextroShade]

Feminism has convinced so many women that they don't need men and they can be happy alone, yet women are the most miserable they have ever been. You ladies got played.

[RingOfFire]

That's not all... now they not only have to take care of the kids but also have full time jobs!

SUCKA!!! 🤣

[Dargil]

Feminism is a social aberration that is undermining the stability of society. Sooner or later, men will begin to quarantine those they can detect. They are easy to draw out and say what you need to hear.

[MarshmalowTreats]

I don't see this outside of the Internet or left wing news. I don't even understand the cause. It's like the questions about trans rights. Why do they never mention the rights? Is it the right to buy Skittles?

[Z1pTD]

LMAO fr

[RealMarek]

Plenty of data shows it has reduced the level of happiness for women. Turns out working for corporate isn’t as fulfilling as was promised, at least not for most people.

[coachTanthony]

The women who just want to stay home and raise kids and have cocktails with there girlfriends aren't happy that is fo sho lol

[OddBeMe]

I don’t see how it hurts anyone unless you want to keep women as second class citizens.

I also don’t see an issue with allowing more immigration, as it only helps economies. Kinda linked, aren’t they? If you’re against one, you’re probably against both because that means you’re competing with immigrants AND women. Lol

[Berethor]

Women tend to be more social and more emotional than men, yea the brains are different.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/KwSSuSh1DxA

[A_Bell]

Everything after first wave feminism made life worse for everyone.

[genericname85]

look at the fertility rates and the marriag rates in recent history in countrries with strong feminism. does it look like an improvement to you?

[Elinnnor]

I agree with you , but in my opinion feminism is about equality between the sexes , and not about them Boeing identical.