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No you are being overly dramatic. Iran doesn't even have a boarder with Israel. For them to enter the war and go to gaza they'd have to cross through Iraq then through Syria or Jordan and then cross through Israel which none of those countries would allow. Iran is already involved just like they are involved in Syria but Iran is no match for Israel especially if they have to project force which they don't have the capability of doing. Iran is likely already involved in regards to fighters and missiles in Gaza.
@Drewtate, I don't hope some third country jump in this war directly , both parties are getting ammunition from their supporters
Iran has one of the largest militaries in the world you arm chair general.
Sadam had the 4th largest army in the world and look what happenedto it, and thd iraqis werent attacking they had home advantage. Iran's military is from the 70s a combination of barley running Vietnam era us jets and 80s Soviet migs. Old British tanks and some old Soviet equipment.
The biggest point is that Israel is out of their reach, 1,071.54 miles away.
so the us won some battles against iraq, did they win the war?
i think armchair generals like you underestimate the scope of what winning a war actually means.
Yes they won the war. Sadam is long gone. Iraq is currently a client state of the US government. The rebuilding, security and military procurement of Iraq is almost exclusively done by US companies paid for by the sale of iraqi oil to China. The US still has a military presence in Iraq and has reduced its numbers drastically, war is over.
There's an overall strategy in the middle east which is to sow the seeds of chaos, any middle eastern government that was allied to Russia or anti-american has been overthrown or had a revolution Libya, Syria, Egypt, Iraq the rest during the Arab spring leaving only Iran.
HizibUllah of Libnon is supplying to Hamas, and Iran is supplying to Hizbullah
Talban did not have airplanes, no cluster bombs, no nepam bombs, but they defeated so called super power America, along with its NATO allies, How?
No. A world war would imply a conflict between NATO and a hereto unidentified faction. China and Russia is not currently friends and are also very much not ready to enter a global armed conflict. India is making their own little club but this is still early days and they are no threat to NATO and they know it. Iran is irrelevant as is most of the rest of the world.
There simply is no factions to go to war against NATO right now.
Iran enters the war -> US enters the war -> Russia and China enter the war -> UK and Nato enter the war -> whole world is at war. It's how the previous world wars started.
No, that would not happen. Russia is literally busy losing a war in Ukraine right now and China is having an economic and social meltdown. Neither of these two countries are going to get off their asses to get involved in a middle eastern shitshow. Also, USA is not going to get involves either unless things spiral WAAAAY out of control.
right... because you know, when world war 2 started the entire world was in a perfect position to start fighting. no one was still suffering from the first world war.
I’m glad you’re aware of that and disproved your own theory, that people war only when they have enough resources or manpower.
And what rule is this?
I’m surprised you think countries only go to war when their finances are in order.
You also ignore the fact that war can be profitable and it’s one of the largest reasons why countries go to war. Even tho they are costly.
Are you being serious or what?
Let me ask you something. Why do countries invade other countries?
Is it for shits n giggles?
Why dont countries invade each other? There has been a war over a bucket. WW1 was started by an assassination. 9/11 triggered a war against Iraq (which is the wrong country). WW2 started because the allies fucked around too much with their demands after winning WW1. There has been war over insults, war over resources, war over alliances, war over territories, war over secession etc.. If there is a reason, there has probably been a war over it.
“war over resources”
Okay I think we’re getting somewhere. For my next question. Do you know what a casus belli is?
Oh? Is that so?
Wars have already been fought over water. Tf you talking about man. Stupid as hell.
Not sure what that means exactly because it’s hard to imagine a war over land and resources, that isn’t profitable in the long road. I mean I can assume what you mean is that war is costly in both human movies and resources, but that’s a risk you take. Business ventures are similar, profits aren’t always guaranteed. Nonetheless, doesn’t stop people from opening a restaurant.
... Pretty much everything is profitable in the long run. If you just want something that is profitable then just put that money into education, healthcare and infrastructure instead. You get way more in return than whatever paltry returns you get in a war if you even get anything at all.
“If you just want something that is profitable then just put that money into education, healthcare and infrastructure instead.”
You’d think that’s the logical thing to do. It’s the most humane thing to do. There are various reasons why that isn’t practical and countries go to war anyways tho.
All it takes is one domino to set everything off. Iran is already pissed and has a proxy war with Israel. China wants Taiwan, but has to deal with the US, so they’d ally themselves with Iran to get rid of a common enemy. Russia and Chinas ties are strengthening. India is probably neutral, but they could join any side to get a slice of the winning pie. And it’s not like they’ve forgotten about the British starving them.
China isn't allied to anyone. Russia is a rival to China not an ally, yes China wants Taiwan but what China really wants is Northern manchuria back from Russia. Iran's big problem is Iraq and Saudi Arabia, they be strutting but Iraq and Saudi Arabia have modern equipment but iran's is from the cold war.
India has no intrest in alliances and they are worried about China.
@Drewtate where do you think Irans money is coming from, that helps support Hamas?
Its not just the logical thing to do, it also has a far higher return than wasting money on wars. The economic return of those three alone is what has built our modern society. As for wars, its not about practicality. For example, Russia. It has the largest landmass in the world with pretty much every resource you could ever want and all it needs is some internal investments to unlock its true potential... Yet here they are.. losing a war in Ukraine..
What you fail to understand however is that nothing forces any other country to get involved in the Israel vs Palestine conflict. It is something they chooses to do out of their own free will which also means they have to weigh the pros and cons. The reason so many countries chooses proxy wars is because they are cheap and easy. You do not need to disturb your own population to draft them which is politically risky and you dont need to worry about winning or losing because the stakes are low.
It is very possible that Iran and China might stick their foot into this conflict but they would only ever do so on the condition that they dont get dragged in themselves. Iran has the most skin in the game but they dont want to make themselves out to me a bigger enemy to the west than they already are without first developing nukes. China on the other hand literally can't afford it. You seriously dont understand how close to a full national collapse they are.
As for the Chinese-Russian alliance? Yepp, super nice friends. That is why China just stole part of Russias territory like a month ago when Russia was too weak to resist them. With friends like these you dont need enemies.
And yeah, India is making their own faction.. with coke and hookers. They are not going to get involved outside of possibly just profiting of sales.
That last post was pretty fucking stupid. I don’t think I can stomach reading the whole thing.
Sorry buddy.
@Drewtate I was hoping someone would say that, sadly ChefPapiChulo disappointed me thoroughly. While WW1 is less of a good example, especially since it lead into the great depression afterwards, WW2 is a decent example of a war that became very profitable for USA.
It is however important to point out that USA did not become wealthy by stealing a bunch of gold from Japan and Germany or because they took any land. They became wealthy because war increases consumption and USA could basically sell anything it produced at high cost to other countries at war or the government which basically made them able to print money. Add to this the fact that USA emerged after the war as the new super power with all the benefits that comes with that.
So no. Wars are not profitable in the traditional sense that people think of but they can be turned into profits in some specific scenarios. Scenarios that are vanishingly rare in history to the point where I feel comfortable to disregard them.
Same way
WW2, America and allies, occopied Germany, Middle East, some part of Ottoman Empire occopied by Russia, Ukraine, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Chachinea Azerbaijan
i will have to join the fight with my fellow jews. we will not be defeated.
Bless you and your people 🙏
Maybe, but only after Iran is turned into glass.
And it is not possible
@Cheerfull009
What isn't possible?
Because, Israel can't defeat Iran
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u No. Iran is not stupid enough to do that and even if they were, they are not very relevant in terms of any mutual assistance pacts. Russia or China have neither the obligation nor the motivation to fight alongside Iran.
no but they would not like the US being so close. just like how we dont like russia being too close.
The United States are not closer in any scenario than they already are. They just parked an aircraft carrier group in front of Israel. But the U. S. will also not involve itself directly - they only provide arms and ammunition, same as with Ukraine.
if iran entered the war, you really dont think the us wouldn't? israel is a military ally. not only that but how do you think the israel state was established? who do you think gave them their protection at the very start of it all?
they were given an army by the west, specifically the British.
In all the wars in Israel's past, the United States never entered the conflict directly, they have no reason to do so now. Also, any scenario with Iran is rather harmless against, say, the Yom Kippur war. Lastly, Israel has nuclear capability which Iran very well knows. That's why they only fight by proxy with e. g. the militants of Hezbollah.
israel would not use nukes on iran. that would piss off the russians and chinese and they would most definitely intervene at that point.
which is what the whole discussion is about. if iran enters the war, which they have been itching to do, would the US join and then subsequently iran and china.
Israel was very close to use nukes on Egypt which would have had much more drastic consequences than against Iran. Again, China and Russia will not intervene militarily for Iran, they have no reason to and no scenario for a fight - where would they even send troops? Russia is on its last leg after losing almost 300.000 troops in Ukraine and China has enough internal problems to enter a war.
Also, where do you get the impression that Iran is itching for an actual war? That was never their stance, because they know it would risk their whole regime and the Saudis would increase their local influence. They also don't have the military equipment to fight against Western supplied weaponry. They talk tough on a diplomatic level and they have their puppets do their proxy fighting, but that's about it.
because that's whats being discussed by actual experts. or are you claiming to be an expert?
Oh yes, I quite am. But so is every person with half a brain and the dedication to follow the specific news over a longer period of time. Iran is interesting to me since the Persian Gulf war. I also have two colleagues from Iran.
Could you point me to these discussions?
okay buddy.
@DryGermanGuy I largely agree.
@Drewtate no one asked.
I agree there's little Iran could actually do against Israel. They along with the Taliban have agreed to send troops to fight Israel. Gaza is cut off so they can't go through Egypt, if they sent troops through syria Israel or the US would spot them and take them out. Likely Iran will talk tough and do nothing. Iran has sent troops to fight in Ukraine they've done little so far.
I also don't think any country in the middle east will nuke a neighbour, its kind of like pissing in the well everyone drinks out of. For instance if Israel nuked Iran the fallout of radioactive dust that would blow over to Israel and other neighbouring countries would irradiate the water supply, the soil, the crops, the air everything causing tumours, cancers and birth defects in children.
Israel doesn't need nukes to attack Iran, it has successfully attacked Iran in the past and Iran lacks the capability to attack Israel other than with strong words in the UN.
@Drewtate there’s already a military buildup around the Syrian border.
Means little to Israel. Israel remember bear Syria when it was strong along with Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia at the same time in the 1967 six day war and yom kipper war. The Iranians, Syrians and hezbollah would be massacred within an hour if they attacked Israel and Iran knows this.
Also noteworthy is that the Mullah regime has reached its lowest approval ratings among the population. Especially young people and the women rights activists hate the theocrats with a passion. The regime has to employ larger numbers of their paramilitary forces for internal espionage and repression of the 88 million people.
@Drewtate I don’t think it means little to Israel lol.
Way to downplay the dangerous of escalation.
What did Iran say they are going to do? They don't really have the ability to project power that far away. Are they going to launch some missiles from their borders? Iran is 800 miles away and there are other countries between the 2.
@Drewtate
I mean they can keep supplying Hamas and Hezbollah with more weapons, they can mess with shipping in the Gulf but that isn't a direct attack on Israel.
World War 3 started when Russia invaded Ukraine. We’re still in the early stages, but if the US and Iran get involved things are likely to really pop off.
i mean its bound to happen right?
some scary times buddy.
My spirit board told me that world war 3 has been coming soon since 2021
oh nice thank you.
Sure.
Women are into this idiotic stuff.
Your crystals too and your horoscopes. Women are the prime market for these scammers.
@Miristheiss you dont know that humans respond differently to minerals?
They're already a part of the war in the sense that they're the main support for Hamas in terms of weapons and training.
Don't know lol got a wintergrasp pre-made to attend to
enjoy it while you can. you're 22 years old. you're going to be drafted buddy.
nice bro. in 2s, 3s, or 5s?
i mean depends what battle group you're on right? are you mostly pvp or pve player?
if iran attack israel, thats the start of wwiii. Israel is NATO
probably
probably what
are you just say that or do you really not know?
Too early to call it
If Iran enters the war, then the US enters the war, you dont think the surrounding countries around Iran would enter the war? like Russia, China, India?
Hard to say, they might stay out of it. We’ll find out if it happens.
Yeah, nuclear Holocaust here we come
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