Hear about the dem's election fraud?

[Juxtapose]

https://www.njoag.gov/ag-platkin-paterson-city-council-president-facing-new-charges-in-election-fraud-case-after-new-details-of-conspiracy-and-alleged-witness-tampering-are-uncovered/

This is why mail in ballots are a SCAM.

Same day, walk in. No exceptions.

[strateguy632]

BEWARE usualy politicians are labeled by letter after name, schumer d ny. but NINE out of ten websites, HID the dems did it. the news companies are pawns.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

My cousin, is in a wheelchair and votes in person at the polls, but I do agree these mail-in ballots are not good and also there should be made polling places where ever someone is to make sure they can vote.

[Anonymous]

Surely mail in votes are really for the disabled or elderly.

[Juxtapose]

One would hope.

[strateguy632]

if they can go shopping they can go to the election place. and people didn't GET their ballot because they had the ad for opponent , on lawn, so they robbed the mailbox.

[Alwayreckles93]

I don't vote. I am team Jesus.

[Juxtapose]

Probably a wise choice tbf.

[Alwayreckles93]

Thanks yeah I just tought one day. Why stress at the end we are on this earth for a while we die. I decided to dedicate everything about my savior Jesus. I don't care about politics.

[strateguy632]

he isn't a candidate nor option... but you are allowed "write in" in u. s.

[whirled_up_girl]

Well I work 12 hours shifts at the hospital 7AM to 7:30PM as do many hospital nurses so we wouldn't be able to vote if we're scheduled to work since not every nurse can leave the hospital. There is also never enough help at the hospital to have anyone cover for three hours for every nurse that would have to vote. I wouldn't mind exception only mail-in ballots if there was at least a way to vote early in person and not just on election day.

[Juxtapose]

Election day happens once a year at the same time every year. It's kind of on you if you can't plan a day off then.

[exitseven]

Trump has said that once he is president again he will hire a REAL Attorney General who will have the 2020 election really investigated and those that were responsible and complicit will be prosecuted.

[DryGermanGuy]

Poor Bill Barr. I bet he is already shaking in his boots! 😂

[exitseven]

@DryGermanGuy he was a di nothing AG. Trumps big problem was that he did not hire the right people Jeff Sessions was a get along to go along guy as well. Trump needs to get a real bulldog. When I talk to him next I will tell him to look at Andrew Lelling. He will shake up the swamp.

[DryGermanGuy]

Ah yes, the swamp, the little brother of the deep state. Who will Trump sent to extort money from Mexico for the wall? Oliver North?

[exitseven]

@DryGermanGuy Trump does not need to extort money from Mexico. He can just threaten to impose a tarriff on Mexican goods like he did with wait in Mexico policy.

[DryGermanGuy]

My good man, that’s pretty much a legal case definition for extortion. 🙄

[exitseven]

@DryGermanGuy it is not extortion It is business. Mexico can always sell their cars to some other country.

[DryGermanGuy]

But of course it is business! The type of business conducted in the backrooms of Italian „social clubs“! Right, paisano?

[exitseven]

@DryGermanGuy Si Senor!

[gorydetails]

With serialized ballots. God the usual shitlib retard is insufferable. christian nationalism... lord...

[Juxtapose]

Hahaha 🤣 They trust the government enough to inject big pharma medicine into their bodies but the second any Democrats are criticized all of a sudden the government is equivalent to Russia.

[gorydetails]

They're pure head cases.

[nonyabeez-wax]

A lot of what he said seems like projection, where as he wants us to submit...

[gorydetails]

@nonyabeez-wax I mean the idiot thinks you can be a "Christian nationalist" without being Christian. I'm sure he thinks you can be a black white supremacist, too.

[nonyabeez-wax]

Well, don't you know? Larry elder is "the black face of white Supremacy!" - So it wouldn't surprise me.

[gorydetails]

@nonyabeez-wax They're at the point of just saying "scary words" and hoping the dopes believe them.

[nonyabeez-wax]

Thats the same as "assault weapons" - with no real definition. It sounds scary, but is just a normal Gun with a black paint job.

[gorydetails]

@nonyabeez-wax yup. 100%. Along with "threat to our democracy" which really means "threat to democrat power"

[nonyabeez-wax]

I swear this guy needs to pick up a dictionary...

[gorydetails]

@nonyabeez-wax he admits he likes to get buttfucked by other guys, That tells you all you need to know.

[normalice]

I'm not clicking on your far right disinformation link. Until you are honest about wanting christian nationalism I don't expect you to be honest about your feelings on the mechanisms in place to prevent it.

[nonyabeez-wax]

You're unhinged, its literally a. gov link. That means its a government website.

[Juxtapose]

It's from the attorney general and like Wax said, it's literally a. gov link -_-

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax Russia is a government. Doesn't mean I'd trust what they have to say.

[normalice]

Also, I was referring to the YouTube link.

[Juxtapose]

Ignore the video if you want dude, the attorney general's word is right in that link and there is nothing you can do about it.

[normalice]

Are you suggesting that without the YouTube video you would have come to the conclusions in the video based on the link?

[Juxtapose]

You don't even know what the conclusions in the video are dude lol.

And yeah, I can read.

[Juxtapose]

And by the way I am an atheist LOL!

[normalice]

I can see Trump and Biden in the video thumbnail but the allegations in your link are about a Council seat 🙃

[Juxtapose]

And?

[normalice]

Christian nationalism has nothing to do with Christianity, LOL. You can still want to force others into submission without believing some god told you to do it.

[Juxtapose]

LOL how would an atheist support Christian supremacy? Do you call Stalin's authoritarian regime Christian even though he explicitly banned it?

[Juxtapose]

Jfc religious people don't have a monopoly on this shit.

[normalice]

How would an atheist support Christian supremacy? Exactly like you're doing it, lol! You think you're the first atheist in history to sign on to Christian nationalism because you're mad at the libs?

[Juxtapose]

I am a bisexual, classical liberal atheist and you think I want to sign on for Christian nationalism?

Wow that is powerfully stupid.

[normalice]

No, you are signing on to christian nationalism. You're virtue signaling doesn't change that fact.

[normalice]

And yes, it is powerfully stupid.

[Juxtapose]

[RealMarek]

I must be missing something. What does election fraud have to do with Christian nationalism? Lol

[normalice]

@RealMarek the Christian nationalists have been claiming election fraud is why they lose for the last four decades.

[nonyabeez-wax]

Guess the DNC are Christian nationalist then.

2016
2004
2000
Are prime examples of the DNC claiming election fraud.

Unless of course: you're about to pull the "Its not -insert made-up activity/ make believe superiority movement- when we do it" - argument seen whenever the left tries to apply this type of double standard.

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax in none of those cases did the DNC claim election fraud. The far right fake news said they did for some false equivalence but all the DNC actually did was take minor issues to court and gave up when the court threw it out. The 2000 one is only notable because the margin was so slim and it went all the way to the Supreme Court. I hadn't even heard of lawsuits in 2004.

[RealMarek]

@normalice I remember how things were four decades ago. There were no Christian nationalists to speak of (with the exception of <1% of the protestants that followed Rushdooney) and the few that there were did not talk about election fraud.

[nonyabeez-wax]

Really? Then what was the "Russian collusion" nonsense we had to deal with for 4 years?

2016 is so well Documented only an unhinged lunatic would deny that the DNC claimed election fraud.

All of the instances I had mentioned has members of the DNC claiming election fraud.

Bush 2000, recount, and public claims of fraud.

2004, another recount, and more public claims of fraud.

2016, a recount, 6 lawsuits, 5 audits, a political witch hunt that lasted 3 years and some change that concluded that the Republican president didn't "collude" with Russia.

You are unhinged. Seek help.

[normalice]

@RealMarek the entire reason Reagan is regarded as the hero of the republican party is aligned Christians solidly and cultishly behind the republican party.

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax I mean, I'd like to spend hours pouring through the condensed misinformation it took you five seconds to vomit out, but I don't think you'd read any of it.

[Juxtapose]

He just clapped your argument and exposed your double standard lol. Right and left claim election fraud quite regularly.

[normalice]

No he didn't. He participated in a far right misinformation dump that I could pick through if I thought it would do any good, but it's like explaining to a crack addict why crack is bad for them, at this point. You're not going to listen.

[RealMarek]

@normalice America was something like 90% Christian back in 1980. Your assertion that Christians aligned solidly behind Reagan is absurd on its face. The evangelical Christians aligned behind Reagan, but never advocated for a theocracy much less preferential treatment of Christians under the law. There was no Christian nationalist movement, and Christians finding it in their interest to vote this way or that is not Christian nationalism.

[normalice]

@RealMarek the Reagan movement was the origins of the Christian natioanalist movement. Grover Norquist plainly admitted that small groups of billionaires would provide the resources needed to push their libertarian agenda but they would rely heavily on evangelicals to provide the votes.

[nonyabeez-wax]

He's using words he doesn't understand. Libertarian being one of them. Lmao he's truly shown how off the deep end he is.

Careful, you wouldn't want to catch the ignorance...

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax if you have am issue with Grovers use of the word libertarian then take it up with him.

[nonyabeez-wax]

libertarian /lĭb″ər-târ′ē-ən/

noun

1. One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.

2. One who believes in free will.

3. One who maintains the doctrine of the freedom of the will (especially in an extreme form): opposed to necessitarian.

You should learn words and what they mean, so you can use them properly for yourself, instead of using them how others use them, improperly.

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax aga8n, if you have issue with Grover Norquist's usage of the word libertarian, take it up with hum.

[nonyabeez-wax]

Some serious cap. Reread.

Learn words.

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax you're going to have to direct him to read it. I don't actually care about what a libertarian anymore.

[nonyabeez-wax]

you're to lazy, or stupid to read what I wrote. Stop being willfully ignorant, and people will stop thinking you're an idiot. What I said was:

You should learn words and what they mean, so you can use them properly for yourself, instead of using them how others use them, improperly.

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax I guess you're not understanding that I was quoting the defacto organizer of the Christian nationalist movement. If you have issue with his use of the word "libertarian," I don't know what to tell you.

[RealMarek]

@normalice “Grover Norquist plainly admitted that small groups of billionaires would provide the resources needed to push their libertarian agenda but they would rely heavily on evangelicals to provide the votes.”

You disprove your own rhetoric. Libertarianism is opposed to Christian nationalism. Grover Norquist was focused almost exclusively on tax reduction. Nothing to do with cultural issues.

[normalice]

@RealMarek yes, the idea was that libertarianism was a fringe they could only reasonably expect to trick a handful of fantasy-brained dnd enthusiasts into consciously helping the rich out with. No where near the numbers they needed to win elections. So they behind-the-scenes agreed to make the public face be christian nationallism to bring in religious voters who are happy to give the rich more money if it means they get to watch percieved sinners have stuff forcibly taken from them. This unholy union of quiet libertarianism by people very loud and public about culture war nonsense has been going on since Reagan.

[nonyabeez-wax]

The libertarian concept is that business will make and maintain the roads that they need for people to get to their businesses, and interstate travel for distribution of goods. The only difference between that Idea and what goes on now, is that the government pays for it using tax money, instead of the business owners.

I would tell you to research something before opening your moth on the topic, but you've already admitted to being willfully ignorant.

[RealMarek]

@normalice You are all over the map. You are pointing at the political alliance of fiscal conservatives (some of whom were libertarians but not all) and evangelicals (and you forgot the neoconservatives, but I digress) as evidence of some sort of nefarious plot to conjure Christian nationalism over forty years before the term was ever used in American public discourse. This is absurd. Again, the origins of Christian nationalism were literally last year. The evangelical movement in the 1980s was interested in social issues, but so was the left and so also has been the law from time immemorial. This has nothing to do with “Christian nationalism,” which is a much more specific concept than enforcement of moral standards.

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax yes, I'm aware of the stated theory. I'm also aware of it never once actually working out that way. If businesses were in charge of the roads they would just ask the government for a handout and then skim a profit off the top. You know, like they already do..

[normalice]

@RealMarek no, it's been going on since the 80s. The term "christian nationalism" may have only entered the main stream recently, but it is what it always was. Try explaining the cultish loyalty to Reagan, Bush, and Trump in any other terms and you only end up sounding like a crazy person.

[RealMarek]

@normalice There are plenty of ways to explain political support for Reagan, Bush, and Trump that have nothing to do with Christian nationalism. As for “it is what it always was” is also untrue. The politics on the right has evolved with time. As far as their social agenda was concerned, evangelicals of the 80s were really just trying to turn back the clock to the 1950s. Christian nationalism involves a great deal more than that.

[normalice]

@RealMarek none of those plenty of ways hold up, though. If you want to say people supported Reagan because he promised to lower the debt. He doubled it instead. If people want to say they supported Bush because he promised to lower the debt. He tripled it instead. If people want to say they supported Trump because he promised to lower the debt. He increased it by an order of magnitude instead. The "republicans reduce the debt" or "republicans fix the economy" reason for supporting Republicans is, one must conclude, a lie. And a lie that no one can prove is a lie because the entire right is united in pretending to believe it. This is true of all reasons people give for voting republican other than christian nationalist reasons. Ergo..

[RealMarek]

@normalice This is sinking further into absurdity. “the entire right is united in pretending to believe it…” Not true. An increasing number on the right do not believe in the GOP establishment’s tired old tropes. This is why the conservative base and the party leadership are not on the same page. Furthermore, just because Reagan did not manage to reduce the debt does not mean people did not support him because of fiscal concerns. Finally, if you were paying attention at all you would know that support had little to do with the debt and much to do with mass migration, declining living standards, and resentment toward the elites.

[normalice]

@RealMarek oh, I'm probably overstating it a little. It doesn't change the fact that the narrative in right wing media that republicans reduce the debt and fix the economy continues to go unchallenged.

[RealMarek]

@normalice The conservatives who still listen to what you would call right-wing media are overwhelmingly boomers and not nearly as many of them as you might think believe the GOP will fix the debt problem. The old normie-con GOP tropes are vigorously challenged from the right but this is not covered in the mainstream press and it is often subject to censorship by big tech.

[normalice]

@RealMarek traditional right wing media, sure, but right wingers own most social media platforms, troll farms, and bot farms. They push the same nonsense there, too.

But it still doesn't matter. The fact remains that, for the last 4 decades, the only thing republicans promise that they actually deliver on is christian nationalism for the poor and cutting taxes for the rich. And people keep voting for them.

[RealMarek]

@normalice You know they have never imposed Christian nationalism in any US polity. Also, the major social media platforms are all solidly globalist neo-liberal and in favor of left-wing intersectional ideology with the possible exception (for now) of Twitter.

[normalice]

@RealMarek they just reversed roe v wade, which is what the Christian nationalist movement was founded on.

[nonyabeez-wax]

Roe v Wade was just a bad ruling, which wasn't based on the constitution. That has nothing to do with Christianity. That has to do with activist judges, trying to make law from the bench. If Roe V Wade was that important, there was over 50 years to codify it into a real law.

[RealMarek]

@normalice Do you know the definition of nationalism? The pro-life movement had nothing to do with nationalism. It was a single-issue movement.

[normalice]

@RealMarek right, a single issue that christian nationalists rallied behind.

[nonyabeez-wax]

You really shouldn't buy in to the mainstream media's christianophobia...

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax you mean the GOP leaders openly stating they are trying to bring about Christian nationalism and braindead republican voters pretending they don't hear it because Reagan showed how collective dishonesty infuriates the libs, and that's all that really matters to the right?

[RealMarek]

@normalice “a single issue that christian nationalists rallied behind.”

Except they weren’t Christian nationalists, lol

[normalice]

@RealMarek they were by the definition of the word. They just didn't call themselves that. But the strategy of "frustrating the libs with collective dishonesty" that defines how Christian nationalism keeps making gains (i. e. by denying they are even trying) was what Republicans have been doing for 4 decades. It has only become a more extreme version of the same strategy - not a different strategy and certianly not different goals.

[nonyabeez-wax]

Wow thats some lunacy right there. You're inability to see past your own delusion baffles me. You are the definition of a Christianophobe... Better sleep with your lights on, the scary Christians might get you...

None of what anything of what you said makes any sense, more does it relate to anything I had said in my previous comment. I can find no real instances of "Christian Nationalism" out side of a FEW politicians who believe Christians should make their decisions based on their Christian ideals, morals, and faith. Which honestly, doesn't seem all that bad.

Secondly, idgaf about Reagan. He was weak enough to pass the NFA. Therefore, I don't care. Your obsession with a long dead president makes me believe my initial statement even more; You are unhinged.

In the words of Michael Jordan; Stop it, get some help.

[RealMarek]

@normalice They were literally not Christian nationalists by definition. Christian nationalism is a lot more specific than Christians doing things leftists don’t like. Do you even know what Christian nationalism is?

[normalice]

@RealMarek yes. And it's what they were doing, are still doing, and plan to continue doing until our constitution is replaced with Leviticus.

[RealMarek]

@normalice That’s just not true. The evangelicals are not even a politically relevant or united faction anymore. Their seminaries and theologians really want “respectability” and have largely gone woke and the evangelical vote is split between populist conservatives and democrats. Christian nationalism is an idea that cropped up last year in the dissident right when a guy wrote a book proposing it. It hasn’t gotten a lot of traction even in dissident circles but a couple politicians like Marjorie Taylor Greene mentioned it and the left went into full-tilt panic mode.

[normalice]

@RealMarek nope, it's written history. I don't know how to convince you that basic facts are basic facts. Indeed, if you are adamant about not believing them no matter what there's just nothing i can do about it over the internet. I would only suggest maybe considering if you were a leader of a Christian nationalist movement 40 years ago and had to come up with a plan to take over the US and were given basically unlimited money and lots of influence over a major political party, how would you do it? Personally, I can think of no more effective way than what has actually happened the last 40 years and every odd turn had a republican behind it, so...

[RealMarek]

@normalice Assuming there were Christian nationalists around 40 years ago, what has happened since then has been a disaster to them. You’re not making sense.

[normalice]

@RealMarek they have gotten nearly everything they wanted. All that's left is just getting one more republican in the white house and they will never have to worry about losing power again.

[RealMarek]

@normalice So, the evangelical Christians wanted mass immigration, LGBTQIAA++2S, 100% far-left control of academia, and ESG requirements that discriminate against whites and resulted in only 4% of jobs going to whites during 2021? I get that leftists always have this need to feel like they are losing and are rebels in some way, but I don’t think we’re witnessing a huge Christian nationalist victory in which they get everything they want, lol.

[normalice]

@RealMarek there isn't mass immigration or far left control of academia. I didn't read the rest because I see where you are coming from, now. You actually think the things the media who tells you the media lies was being honest when they told you all that bullshit 😅

[RealMarek]

@normalice Immigration into the US is at unprecedented levels, with over 5 million migrants in the past two years. This is even reported by leftist mainstream media.

[nonyabeez-wax]

*illegal immigration.

Let's be clear, the only thing about immigration into the U. S. to not like is, when people do it illegally.

Legitimate immigrants, who enter legally are welcome.

[normalice]

@RealMarek but it isn't. They told you for years the caravans of brown poor people are coming to ask for a handout because they knew that would push all the buttons they programmed you to react to. But they made it up and it wasn't something they thought they could keep telling while those made up caravans stubbornly refused to show up in real life. So, they just started telling you they are already here. And yet, the only border state purporting to have a problem with its border is also the only border state ran by republicans. But I'm sure it's all just a huge coincidence..

[nonyabeez-wax]

Never mind the hundreds of videos of the caravans, and the interviews, of people in the caravans... Don't you know @RealMarek, those dangerous evil Christians must have some how made it up... Also must have gotten a lot of "poor brown people" to help them... Never mind how racist that sounds...

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax Harry Potter is also proof of magic, amirite?

[RealMarek]

@normalice This is getting ridiculous. @nonyabeez-wax is right, the more than 5 million migrants are just the illegal migrants. There are is mass legal migration too. You are claiming that all of the data we have on this are fabricated. I do economic analysis for a living and can assure you mass migration is not fabricated. Our official population estimates are, in fact, underestimated, not overestimated.

[Juxtapose]

@RealMarek he's just going to say whatever contradicts him is far right disinformation.

[normalice]

@RealMarek I didn't say mass migration is fabricated. You have to respond to what I say not what you imagine is should say.

[normalice]

I call far right misinformation far right misinformation. You don't because you call anything that affirms your feelings "definitely not far right misinformation."

[RealMarek]

@Juxtapose Of course.

[nonyabeez-wax]

"There isn't mass migration...", " but there isn't..."- outright denying its existence...

"They told you for years the caravans of brown poor people are coming to ask for a handout because they knew that would push all the buttons they programmed you to react to. But they made it up and it wasn't something they thought they could keep telling while those made up caravans stubbornly refused to show up in real life. So, they just started telling you they are already here. And yet, the only border state purporting to have a problem with its border is also the only border state ran by republicans. But I'm sure it's all just a huge coincidence..." Stating that it is, in fact fabricated...

When confronted about video evidence, you replied "@nonyabeez-wax Harry Potter is also proof of magic, amirite?" - implying that it wasn't real, and again implying that it was in fact fabricated...

Your gas lighting my work with people who are too polite to call you out on it, I am no such person...

[RealMarek]

@nonyabeez-wax I can’t imagine anyone believing this fellow. Everyone knows there is mass migration. The debate is between those who view it as bad and those leftists who write headlines containing “…and here’s why it’s a good thing.”

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax so, you could find no where where I actually said anything you wanted to reply to and just inferred.

The Harry Potter thing was to give you something to think about. If the far right billionaires could fake a video that would get a bunch of ragetards chomping at the bit to vote for tax cuts for billionaires, why wouldn't they? I'd really like to hear your theories.

[normalice]

@RealMarek far right wingers "know" a lot of things that tend to be untrue or exaggerated, though.

[nonyabeez-wax]

Oh wow, a "I have to say this word to have actually done what this word means"- argument. I hope no one with a brain developed beyond the age of 9 will see this post and realized you're full of crap.

Why wouldn't the billionaires fake the videos? Because they were taken by youtubers an Independent Journalist, who can barely make ends meat. Not billionaires. The billionaires didn't need to fake the videos because they were real.

[RealMarek]

@normalice You need to stop this nonsense. Where I am, I can see groups of undocumented young men and boys walking north on rural roads. It is a traffic hazard. Also, I see refugees air dropped by the USG into local apartments, all paid for by Uncle Joe with the consequence of many tenants, most of them descended from earlier migrants, being driven onto the streets due to skyrocketing rent. Nobody can outbid the feds. I see this situation on the ground with my own eyes. Your idea that mass migration is a giant deception meant to rile up the people into supporting the GOP is absolutely absurd and contradicted by actual observation.

[nonyabeez-wax]

@RealMarek I can't imagine it either. I just hate gas lighting. It would take a giant idiot to either believe this crap, or take it seriously.

[normalice]

@RealMarek sorry, but I don't believe you. You people have already demonstrated that you have no interest in honesty and are happier when your leaders lie to trigger the libs. The consequence for that is when you say you have personally seen a bunch of stuff you want to be true, the first thing I remember is your cultish devotion to liars. Maybe if you righties really held Trump's feet to the fire for not releasing his taxes when he promised to do so if elected. But you were just happy he made the libs mad. So it goes with immigration. In 20.. 10 I think? the senate passed a bipartisan immigration reform package. Trumpy people in the house blocked it. Why do you imagine that is? If the people you are repeating after cared so much about a very real problem, why wouldn't they have fixed it then? The answer isn't as elusive as it seems.

[nonyabeez-wax]

@normalice You are the one not being honest. I've called you out specifically for both hypocrisy and gas lighting, and then you LIED ABOUT GAS LIGHTING.

You have no interest in being honest, and no interest in asking yourself why someone might like Trump outside of "made the libs mad..."

Ever think that the working class American likes Trump because living was affordable, or that there were no new wars, or that trade was becoming beneficial to Americans, or that we actually saw tax returns that were higher than $300-$400, all for the four years under Trump?

Maybe if you looked past what the Mainstream Media talking points, you would see that.

Trumps taxes, he actually LEGALLY couldn't release them if he wanted too, because he was placed under Audit by the IRS in 2016.

The audit, a requirement dating back to the Nixon administration for the presidency, took SIX YEARS to make it to the supreme court. He legally wasn't aloud to release them during his presidency.

Trump’s tax records are already released.

The "Immigration reform package" was an open border policy, which doesn't solve the problem of diminishing jobs, and untaxable undocumented immigrants, nor does it address the rampant human and drug trafficking taking place across the border, and only makes it worse.

If you maybe, read the bill, and formed your own opinion about it, maybe you'd understand why it was blocked.

Stop trying to act smart, stop trying to act like you're the truthful one here. I've already called you out for being dishonest three times now, if you include this post.

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax I haven't really read much of what you've written, to be honest, as I assume it doesn't deviate from the far right script any further than everyone else in yet another of these weird rage orgies you people keep begging me to top for.

The simple fact is no one on the right has given me no reason to suspect you believe anything other than what you want to believe. I've been given no indication that you hold your misinformation specialists accountable when they lie, and continue to get no such indication. Right wingers have spent decades assaulting the concept of credibility and you all signed on to that bandwagon voluntarily. You had to know you were taking the easy way out of your responsibilities to yourself, but you did it anyway. And so now you get treated as someone who hates credibility ought to be treated 🤷

[nonyabeez-wax]

You're the one lacking credibility. Even CNN acknowledges that Trump couldn't release the returns, and now they have been.

Almost like you're unhinged.

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax CNN is right wing misinformation and no they didn't anyway.

Earning back your credibility is a process but the first step would be completing the sentence "what would convince me republicans have made up whatever they couldn't exaggerate because their real goal is just more money for rich people is..."

[nonyabeez-wax]

Wow, CNN is as left as it gets... @Juxtapose you called it. he's just going to say whatever contradicts him is far right disinformation.

[nonyabeez-wax]

Also, here's the link to their article acknowledging what instated before.

www.cnn.com/.../index.html

Almost like you're the one lacking credibility.

[nonyabeez-wax]

I stated*

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax I skimmed the article. No where does it say Trump couldn't release his returns because of an audit, but feel free to directme to it if i missed it.

And anyway, this is nuts, what kind of a monkey brained moron do you have to be to believe that, after he fought all the way to the Supreme Court to avoid releasing them, he actually did plan to release them?

And yes, CNN is of the right. Owned by the same people who own OANN, CNN routinely puts the absolute insanity of the right adjacent to normal centrists and treats them as equals. the bothsides rhetoric is only ever used to help republicans and the entire CNN industry is devoted to the bothsides narrative.

[nonyabeez-wax]

"Democratic-run Ways and Means Committee only a few weeks ago after a protracted legal battle that lasted nearly four years."- straight from the article. Most other sources say 6 years, and the dates ad up as they were released 2022.

Regardless, you didn't read shit. Your credibility is garbage. Nor do I care what you think CNN is, as it is in fact left wing.

I'm actually done with this. I don't think I need to do anything more to prove to anyone without a shadow of a doubt that not only are you an unhinged lunatic, but have the credibility of a known pathological liar.

They call me paranoid, but I think you take the cake.

Have fun with your insane paranoid delusions about Christians and anyone who doesn't think like you do.

[RealMarek]

@normalice “far right wingers "know" a lot of things that tend to be untrue or exaggerated, though.”

I cited a figure: 5 million during the past two years. It’s no exaggeration. It is a conservative figure that is already out of date. Even the left-wing mainstream media cites this figure. Do you think it is exaggerated?

[RealMarek]

@normalice “sorry, but I don't believe you. ”
You’re not sorry. Once again call me a liar without any evidence to that effect, while also calling well established data “lies” and then telling us you did no such thing. Sad.

[normalice]

@nonyabeez-wax so, you think the legal battle you quoted was Trump trying to release his taxes and the ways and means committee preventihg him because of an audit?

[normalice]

@RealMarek You stated seeing these things for yourself. I must have missed whatever you claim you cited. And what you definitely have not cited is any source showing republicans actually taking action to stop themselves from sabotaging solutions to the problem they campaign on complaining about.

[RealMarek]

@normalice You are being obtuse. My point is that you cannot convince us that mass migration is not a problem when many of us see the migrants and the problems with our own eyes in our own communities. We’ve cited well-sourced figures and you deny they are real, so citations don’t work with you. Proving anything to you is a waste of time.

[normalice]

@RealMarek and my point is you can not convince me that you really believe it is a problem when you continue to support the party that routinely sabotages any immigration reform measure.

[RealMarek]

@normalice I don’t support the GOP. It is globalist and controlled opposition for the elites. But I won’t be able to convince you that I believe this either, lol.

[normalice]

@RealMarek correct.

[Juxtapose]

@nonyabeez-wax haha yeeeep! Believe me, I tried to get a back and forth but nadda. Saying CNN is anything but far left is delusional.

[normalice]

If you were on the left it would be pretty obvious CNN did everything they could to help Trump get elected. It's possible it was on accident the first time, though that would speak very ill of their basic powers of observation as journalists, but they are doing the same thing this time. So it's on purpose.

[RealMarek]

@normalice As we know from Podesta’s leaked e-mails, CNN did indeed do everything they could to assure Trump won the GOP primary. Don’t try to say this is a far-right media lie: we have the e-mails. However, the boosting of Trump was over after the primaries. For example, Donna Brazille with CNN at the time leaked debate questions to HRC in advance. HRC is out of touch, pedantic, self-important, and highly unlikeable. She was an easy target for Trump to pillory, much like Jeb Bush. That’s why she lost.

[normalice]

@RealMarek sounds like you're naming specific people not CNN as a whole. But whatever. You might want to reread what I said because I also said they seemed to do everything they could to help Trump win.

[RealMarek]

@normalice Podesta’s emails mentioned the press as a whole.

[normalice]

@RealMarek cool. Not sure what authority he has to make such declarations on behalf of the press as a whole, but cool all the same.

In any case, I'm curious about your theories as to why the owner of CNN put up 95% of the seed money to get OANN up and running?

[RealMarek]

Probably wanted to make money. Some individuals would fund anything, even people they disagree with, to make money. The mainstream press is struggling. This doesn’t change the obvious biases of the mainstream media.

[normalice]

@RealMarek yes, and the biases are to the right. No doubt some who work at CNN are probably liberal. It doesn't change the fact that with the rumor that it is for the left, if left-leaning people watch CNN without paying attention, they will find themselves trending to the right.

CNN is basically Joe Rogan for adults. They put experts across from whackos and give them equal time with a moderator that has none of the bias that would come from having any knowledge about the topic.

This, of course, is not news. This is a psyop. It introduces sexy far right ideas to people who don't want to think about politics at all and just want a competent government. But then gradually they find themselves not minding it if they think about politics, as long as they are thinking of the far right politics that entertained them. The politics of the left where it's all work and facts and practicalities and considerations for disadvantages are exhausting. We'd like to just pay our taxes and have it be someone competent's career to sort it out. But the rich wants that money just to have it, in exchange for nothing and the right is their way to get it.

And CNN isn't alone. All the major networks besides MSNBC have engaged in this since the Citizens United ruling. Indeed, that was probably the whole point of the ruling!

[ItsALongWayToTheTop]

How can mail-in ballots be a scam? I got four in my mail box last time! LOL

If I wanted to go dumpster diving, I could have probably gotten 10,000 more.

[nonyabeez-wax]

I agree. Mail in voting is too insecure to be used.

[lightbulb27]

not that video. why are some republicans saying the election wasn't thrown?

[RealMarek]

So they don’t lose their jobs or go to DC prison on charges of “seditious insurrection.”

[lightbulb27]

@RealMarek one resigned and was complaining. I don't see how that would prevent democrats from persecuting them.

[RealMarek]

@lightbulb27 Strange times, these are.

[OddBeMe]

My god…a city councilman. And we caught him. Guess massive election fraud doesn’t exist, huh? Unless you were in Trump’s WH.

[Juxtapose]

Mail in ballots gotta go!

[OddBeMe]

Why? We caught the guy.

[OddBeMe]

Should we do away with banks because of bank robbery?

[RealMarek]

Why? Because we don’t tolerate elections as insecure as ours in third world countries whose elections we monitor.

[Juxtapose]

lol mail in ballots are so secure France totally allows them..

Oh wait..

[OddBeMe]

I have no idea about France but thanks for avoiding,

Are audits of mail in ballots reporting fraud?

[Juxtapose]

I'm not avoiding anything because a bank is not a valid comparison. A bank will insure my money even if the bank is blown up into smithereens.

Mail-in ballots are so insecure France did away with them.

[normalice]

@oddbemeto answer your question, "mail in ballots gotta go" because there should be ne expectations that republicans actually earn votes. If their fringe loyalists can't beat democrats in turnout, the solution is not to be less fringe but to reduce democrats turnout..

[OddBeMe]

@normalice so because your side turned the issue into a political wedge, it’s automatically corrupt?

[normalice]

I think I may have been unclear on which side I am on.

[OddBeMe]

@normalice ok because republicans turned it into a politcal wedge issue and thus mail in ballots are more Dem…it’s corrupt?

[normalice]

that seems to be the republicans' theory, yes.

[Juxtapose]

I'm not a Republican and that is a false label. I am not registered to any political party and politically I am a classical liberal.

I know you progressives don't like people in the left who don't agree with you but this is ridiculous.

[normalice]

Of course of course. There are no Republicans, just 50 million people who repeat after republicans amd vote for them no matter what, plus ten thousand "not republicans" who stormed the capitol to get a republican permanently cemented as a dcitator. It's so odd how there isn't a single republican to be found among those who want republicans to have permanent unchecked power.

[Juxtapose]

That's a giant straw man that's not even worth dignifying with a response beyond the one I am giving you. Grow up and come back to me when you're ready to engage honestly.

[normalice]

Republicans are not capable of dignity. You're going to have to come up with an excuse for dodging the statement that has nothing to do with dignity if you, as a Christian nationalist republican, want to be believed.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose Sorry, I didn’t get an answer…did the audits of mail in ballots find fraud?

[Exterminatore]

I only heard about Debbie Wassaerman-Shultz and her stunt with Hillary’s campaign. Not at all surprised by this.

[AngryCarl2]

Shocking. But he got caught, which proves the system works.

[Juxtapose]

Kinda! Mail in ballots are very unsafe.

[strateguy632]

only IF investigated. how many more were blocked from investigation , arizona etc and now exposed risk, must not risk it.

[AngryCarl2]

@strateguy632 Too long to reply here, but here's a link:
en.wikipedia.org/.../2021_Maricopa_County_presidential_ballot_audit

[Jamie05rhs]

Wow! In New Jersey, too?
(Did you hear about the one in Connecticut?)

[DryGermanGuy]

YAWN. I hear the black helicopters coming.

[Juxtapose]

Switch the political parties around and you would be awfully interested.

[DryGermanGuy]

No. If there even is proven fraud, it’s irrelevant for state and federal elections.

[Pterodon]

I knew it