Interesting philosophical talk I just read about. I think both sides…one a little more…. obeys because the PERSON demands it. Not the issue. They don’t care about the issue.
We’re too lazy to worry about the details of the issues.

Interesting philosophical talk I just read about. I think both sides…one a little more…. obeys because the PERSON demands it. Not the issue. They don’t care about the issue.
We’re too lazy to worry about the details of the issues.

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What was that you said about worshipping people?
The first one's in fun, the second is probably made by a right winger, and RBG was confirmed to SCOTUS with nearly twice as many votes (96-3) as any of Thomas, Gorsuch, Kananaugh, and Barrett.
Can you find out who made all those? I’d stake my reputation that the first two are by right wing ahole companies, and the last after her death.
I thought so too, but the first one was actually a product coolmompicks.com/.../
@oddbeme @goaded www.walmart.com/.../687654039
I like how you all think someone’s photoshopped picture of Trump is akin to plush actin figures and dolls sold at Walmart and bookstores.
Just take the L on this one. Liberals love to worship personalities. Especially political ones.
Ehh I don’t think liberals do, at least not for politics. We may love pop stars like all humans, but you right wingers actually take ideas from your cult leaders.
"someone’s photoshopped picture of Trump"
Like it's just one person making those.
@goaded Do they have a factory where they are cranking out action figures, bobble heads, and lush dolls?
NOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Dude just take the L.
@oddbeme @goaded www.amazon.com/.../B08JFL1BKQ
Wow. They even have Anthony Fauci Christmas ornaments.
But it’s the Right that “worships” people.
I hope you both know I’m going to continue to link products to demonstrate to you both how completely delusional you both are.
And to show others how tacky and lame Liberals are with your hero-worship. It’s pathetic.
www.amazon.com/.../s?k=trump+action+figure
Are you seeing Fauci or Biden on tee shirts or photoshopped as Rambo? No.
I'm ashamed to say that during covid I did like a dummy.
Yeah, Big Mask is a real powerful entity, too.
@goaded the mask was no big deal nor were the temperature tests they were all done to give us a false sense of security but here we all were lining up in ques wearing masks having to stand a 1 metre back to buy groceries yet we were shoulder to shoulder with other people and our goods were being scanned by cashiers behind protective screens many who weren't wearing masks and gloves all to stop the spread of covid. I don't know anyone who didn't get covid, I got covid after giving birth at home because the hospitals wouldn't take me and it was just like having the regular flu and I didn't even have the vaccine, a few days later u was fine Anyone I know who died had preexisting health conditions like obesity or diabetes or immune system problems or were seriously old. A neighbour of ours got drunk and broke her neck falling down stairs and they said it was covid.
I'm not sure about the temperature tests, but the masks really did work (in Kansas, the 81 counties that opted out of a mask mandate had cases increase, the others had cases reduce).
@goaded the only work if everyone is using them. It stops you breathing germs on people but doesn't stop them breathing germs on you if you are maskless. Covid was just like the flu, the flu kills more every year.
It also stopped you from breathing in others people breath which is how Covid is spread. Right?
"Covid was just like the flu, the flu kills more every year."
Not in the US. Flu kills 60,000 in a bad year, Covid killed 1,000,000 in a little over two years.
@OddBeMe you are still breathing the air. They are still breathing on you around your eyes, ears and clothes. The masks really only work if everyone is wearing them, it's stops them breathing on you and you on them.
No dummy. The mask stops spit and filters breath from others and keeps you from breathing it in.
During the beginning of pandemic when we didn’t know much about this virus, death literally came down to crowds masking up or not.
The covid virus is microscopic so breathing the air of an infected carrier still gets through the mask, even the real heavy duty dust masks construction workers wear.
During the beginning of the pandemic and through it the only people that were dying were those that were obese, had diabetes, were elderly or had weak immune systems. It was just like a bad flu which kills more every year than covid did.
I got covid after giving birth, it was like a bad flu. I didn't need a ventilator thank god.
And since you’re not a virologist I’ll go with science. Which you don’t get.
The science says the mask doesn't keep the virus out.
"It was just like a bad flu which kills more every year than covid did." Again?
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1 million Americans in two years for Coviid, it took flu 10 years to killed a third of that number.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
@goaded upwards of 600,000 people die each year of the flu. Hard to get an accurate statistic for covid deaths because a lot of non-covid deaths are mixed in there with the statistics, for instance did they have covid of was it the flu? My neighbour fell down her stairs and broke her neck, the coroner recorded the death as covid.
Worldwide: "Seasonal flu causes 400,000 respiratory deaths each year on average." https://ourworldindata.org/influenza-deaths
The US has 5% of the world population. About 10x as many people died of covid in the first two years of the pandemic as usually die of seasonal flu.
@goaded what percentage of obese people globally does the us have? Along with diabetes? Immune problems? Heart problems? Etc
We are a very unhealthy nation.
They're unhealthy during flu season, too. Still only 1/10th of the numbers of deaths.
@goaded how many got flu during covid and how many covid cases were actually flu.
Fewer than usual because people were taking precautions against viruses.
@goaded as more time goes by, more will come out about the whole covid farce.
I'm sure it's in the same place as the proof of the election fraud. Jeez. You are aware it affected the whole world, right?
@goaded and Sweden had no mask mandates and one of the lowest death rates in the world. Like I said I had covid right after giving birth, I was unvaccinated and I didn't die. It was like a bad flu. Everyone I know got it at least once (unvacinated) and nobody died.
Sweden had twice the rate of deaths as Norway, they certainly didn't have "one of the lowest death rates in the world". They also vaccinated like crazy. 87% of the population over 12 had had at least one dose by April 2022. I expect they were also more likely to take scientific advice than people in a lot of other countries.
@goaded Sweden had twice the number of deaths compared to norway because they have twice the population. Most of sweden's covid deaths occurred in the first year. 93% of the deaths in 2020 belonged to at least one risk group, with chronic cardiovascular disease being the most prevalent (53%), followed by diabetes (26%), chronic respiratory disease (18%) and chronic renal failure (16%). As of 31 March 2022, the mean age among those who had died with confirmed COVID-19 disease was 82, and the majority (55%) of those who had died with the disease were men. Sweden also has a lot more over 50s & a lot more OAPs.
All Norway did was delay the inevitable when all their OAPs caught Covid regardless of all their measures.
Twice the rate, not twice the number. Sweden: 25,242 (2,470 per million) to Norway: 5,732 (1,040) Finland: 10,645 (1,916), and Denmark 8,814 (1,511).
Also, what you're saying is that most of Sweden's deaths occurred when masks, distancing, and lockdowns were the only options. Like I said, they then vaccinated like crazy.
@goaded no I'm saying that norway with half the population and much fewer vulnerable people only delayed the inevitable.
Doesn't change the fact that despite no quarantine or mandates Sweden still comes in at n02 in the world after Norway for fewest covid deaths compared to stricter countries.
Also the most critical sources of Sweden during the pandemic are financial papers, cough Pfizer...
Norway delayed it forever. Norway, if they'd had the same deaths per capita as Sweden, would have had nearly 8000 more deaths.
Norway is #100 in deaths per million, Sweden is at 42, USA is at 15.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
@goaded sponsored by pfizer
I wish! I just like truth and facts.
@goaded facts sponsored by pfizer
The CDC, WHO, etc.
@goaded all sponsored by Pfizer. $40 billion in pure profit.
See…I read the science first.
You fcks just heard Trump didn’t like it and so obeyed. Never bothered to find out more.
“Science”. Fixed it for you.
No quotations. Just science. Covid spread through breaths and spit dummy.
Unless you’re sitting down at a restaurant. Then you’re safe. Or if you’re outside, but if outside’s cold you put up walls and a ceiling and you’re still outside.
yeah there's lots of situations we can manipulate to live life. Like sit further away in a restaurant. Because breath and spit spreads covid. Unless you have proof it doesn't...
There’s zero evidence your dumb face diapers prevented the spread of covid…so there’s that…you know, actual science.
yeah ask your next surgeon if masks work. idiot.
www.scientificamerican.com/.../
The use of surgical face masks by staff in the operating room is presumed to reduce the frequency of surgical site infections. The evidence identified and included in this report finds no evidence basis for this presumption. The consensus of the systematic reviews included in this report is that there is a paucity of data on this topic, and that current evidence is lacking for altering clinical practice. The included guidelines of this report are also in agreement that the long standing practice of wearing surgical face masks in the operating room should continue despite the lack of clinical efficacy evidence.
No evidence was identified that examined a potential role for surgical face masks in protecting staff from infectious material encountered in the operating room. In the absence of available clinical evidence the guidelines recommend wearing masks of a type suitable to the procedure being performed and in accordance with applicable health and safety regulations.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK195765/
About that
from your link: "In the absence of available clinical evidence the guidelines recommend wearing masks of a type suitable to the procedure being performed and in accordance with applicable health and safety regulations."
And again, ask your doctor about that, becuase even if they're studying masks in the operating room, no surgeon would go without it.
No, you've got to have a randomised controlled trial where doctors flip a coin to decide whether or not to wear a mask during a surgical procedure, then you collect statistics on which patients get infected. I wonder why nobody's done such a review? (Hint: it would kill a lot of people needlessly.) Do you think wearing masks in surgery caught on in the 19th century as a fashion item, or because fewer patients died?
On the same lines, there were no RCTs on masks in covid; what there were were states that allowed counties to opt in or out of requiring masks.
www.scientificamerican.com/.../
"In July 2020 the governor of Kansas issued an executive order requiring masks in public places. Just a few weeks earlier, however, the legislature had passed a bill authorizing counties to opt out of any statewide provision. In the months that followed, COVID rates decreased in all 24 counties with mask mandates and continued to increase in 81 other counties that opted out of them."
@goaded right so all your bullshit about masks is based on faulty science. Thanks for playing.
No, that would be all your bullshit. Do you think wearing masks in surgery caught on in the 19th century as a fashion item, or because fewer patients died?
@goaded As the article says, fewer patients died because of better sanitation practices.
Sanitation like not breathing on people. Which is how Covid is spread right?
Lmao. Like disinfecting the operating theater and using sterile instruments. Listen, keep wearing the rag on your face, it allows us normal people to recognize the mentally ill and avoid you.
Answer. Covid is spread through breath right?
It’s airborne.
It’s spread through breath right?
So something that protects your breathing hole does help?
Don't bother, he's never going to admit being wrong.
@goaded what do I masturbate to then?
No, because those diapers you wore on your face don’t stop respiratory viruses.
Don’t you two jerk each other off?
They stop droplets containing millions or billions of those respiratory viruses. As proven by those states in Kansas that had mask mandates having reductions in cases while the ones that didn't having increases. Science.
@goaded just like a spaghetti strainer stops water, right? It’s “science”. Observational studies aren’t science.
Keeping a nasty rag in your dirty pocket then throwing it on your face below your nose isn’t stopping anything.
No, like a spaghetti strainer stops starch. There's some in the water, but there's pounds in the spaghetti. "Observational studies aren’t science." Yes, they are.
@goaded Not to prove masks work. I mean even CNN had to admit they're ineffective. I guess you haven't gotten that programming, yet.
Your example of someone wearing a single layer of cloth below their nose obviously wouldn't work, because that's not what wearing a mask is. Even the very first German recommendations in early 2020 were for three layers of tightly woven cotton, before moving on to surgical and then FFP2 (N95) masks. Whatever the mask mandates were in Kansas, they obviously worked because cases went down in the counties where the mandate was accepted, and up in the counties where they opted out.
If CNN said mask wearing was ineffective, they were wrong. You should be OK with that or do you only believe them when they say something you agree with? A health official at one point said single layer cloth masks were ineffective against the latest variant, that's not the same thing as "masks don't work".
@goaded no, they read the results of the Cochran report which stated there’s no evidence masks work. But you can keep being a fool and wear one.
No, it doesn't. It states they didn't have many randomised control trials, which is the only type they study and unsurprising considering they would be ethically unacceptable. Other scientific evidence says they do work.
www.scientificamerican.com/.../
www.factcheck.org/.../
"“The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions,” the authors wrote. “The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect.”
In other words, there isn’t good evidence from randomized controlled trials that encouraging mask use in the community prevents the spread of respiratory diseases, but the issue also hasn’t been studied very well. So the real answer is unknown."
@goaded so as I said. No evidence they work. But keep walking around like an idiot in a mask. I don't care.
How intentionally dense can you be, exactly? There are no RCTs for whether stars of balls of fusing gas, does that mean they aren't?
@goaded lol. how big is a cov2 virus? How big are the holes in your dumb face diaper?
Oh, look, you're changing the subject from your claim that observational science (like astronomy) isn't science. I refer you back to my response to your stupid colander analogy.
@goaded Right, you don't want to answer because you know the masks don't stop the virus. I get it. It's embarrassing for you. Observational studies combined with a political agenda is absolutely not science. You morons thinking a virus can't get you in a restaurant while you're sitting down is absolutely not science.
Anybody can see that I've answered your ridiculous assertions over and over, but as usual you'll just keep coming up with more lies. Do you not understand the concept of reducing risk? Do you flip a coin to decide which side of the road you'll drive on each day? You could get killed observing all the rules of the road, but you're a hell of a lot more likely to die or kill someone if you ignore them.
@goaded Oh, so you can quantify the risk of sitting down vs. standing up when trying to prevent transmission of a virus? Fascinating stuff you got there.
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Look at all this science!
Sigh. You're just going to keep misrepresenting what happened, aren't you? And you're not going to admit you were wrong for saying observational studies are not science.
The question being answered at the time was: IF you're going to have restaurants open (as you demanded at the time) and GIVEN people can't eat while wearing a mask, WHAT can be done to minimise the risks to people?
@goaded Don’t go to a restaurant if you’re sick…seems pretty fuckin simple.
As you delighted in telling us all at the time, people were contageous before they had symptoms. But, yes, not going to a restaurant when you're sick is also risk reduction, as was wearing masks while not eating and sitting futher apart than usual.
@goaded No, I mock your stupid assertion that there was such a thing as asymptomatic spread. Get it right. We’ve established your masks were useless. Oh, yeah, that made up 6’ arbitrary non-scientific distance, lol.. more “science”
No, you haven't "established" anything at all. You've just repeated lies over and over and ignored the facts, like that when Kansas had a mask mandate, the counties that opted out increased covid cases and the ones that didn't reduced their cases.
You also can't cope with the idea of compromise. If two people are a mile apart they're not going to catch anything from each other, if they stand an inch apart they're very likely to. If you've got to come up with a recommendation that keeps people reasonably safe but allows them to be in the same area, a couple of metres is a reasonable compromise.
@goaded Nah, the Cochran report established that masks were useless. Kinda like you. Ok, well you stay a mile away from everyone. Wear your mask though. Never know when a pangolin will walk by and sneeze on you.
Like I said, same old lies repeated over and over. Here's what Cochrane say about people like you: "Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation. " Karla Soares-Weiser, editor in chief of the Cochrane Library
www.cochrane.org/.../statement-physical-interventions-interrupt-or-reduce-spread-respiratory-viruses-review
@goaded right, no evidence that masks works, means they work. War is peace, freedom is slavery.
No, dumbass, they didn't ever say there was no evidence that masks work, and I've posted some repeatedly, they said the couple of RCTs there were didn't show it, and explicitly that you're lying.
Is your day job writing press releases for Trump? You show exactly the same lack of respect.
@goaded These are their results... from their own study
Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness (ILI)/COVID‐19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low‐certainty evidence).
But sure, tell me that the words don't mean what they mean. I love it.
Sure, ignore that last part "very low‐certainty evidence", and the fact that they explicitly said that you're misrepresenting their findings. Other evidence disagrees with that assessment.
@goaded Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low‐certainty evidence). HARMS from wearing masks is what they mean.
There are no harms from wearing masks. That was complete bullshit.
There are recommended limits to how long you should wear an FFP2 (N95) mask. Germany recommends up to 75 min at a stretch. ("A recent meta-analysis demonstrated nearly 70% reduction of infection risk in healthcare workers and an overall reduction of infection risk")
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9492982/
@OddBeMe you're absolutely incorrect. There are several harms.
@goaded So you're changing the subject, now? Since you were full of shit?
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm still talking about the scientific evidence and advice, you're just making shit up or repeating lies for the umpteenth time. You're such a moron you can't even tell when I'm agreeing with you when the facts back you up a tiny amount. Wearing an FFP2 mask for 95% of the time is far better than not wearing one at all, so take one off every hour or so for a few minutes.
@goaded lol, you still wearing right now? Moron.
Oh, ffs, how do you manage to be so stupid?
@goaded so that's a 'yes'.
Oh, ffs, how do you manage to be so stupid?
@goaded lol, do you still get mad if people are closer than 6', too?
Christ, but you're a moron living in your own little fantasy world.
@goaded how many boosters are you up to?
How tiny is your imaginary world, exactly? Everybody except you, the he-man, is getting vaccinated every day with a bag over their head, right? Idiot.
@goaded you can't be too safe, can you? Don't worry you can get another booster in 6 months.
Let me know when you decide to encounter reality again.
@goaded you out there killin grandmas? How dare you?
You just can't stop digging a hole to irrelevancy, can you?
@goaded I'm sure you appreciate the chance to cover your face.
So, is astronomy a science, or not?
@goaded I can't hear you over your mask? What did you say?
Like you'd ever listen to anyone but yourself.
@goaded I get it... you're embarrassed you acted like a sheep for 3 years, so it's hard to come to terms with that. When you're ready to apologize for being an authoritarian cultist, we can start healing as a society.
You don't understand anything, you just rely on lies instead of reason and evidence. You claim an organisation says something even when that organisation explicitly states that your lies are untrue.
@goaded Right. So what you're claiming is that the words that are clearly written in the English language don't mean what they mean. There's a term for that.
They're the ones saying you're misrepresenting the findings of their study, not just me. I'm pointing that out AND the fact that you ignore all the other evidence that backs up what I say in favour of people saying things you like (remember when you thought only about 50,000 Americans could possibly die from Covid, even if every single person in the country caught it?).
@goaded Right, so you're telling me the words I read aren't the words I read.
And yes, I've said many times that I underestimated how willing the US was to keep pushing poor treatments to kill people. I underestimated how bad the government would fuck up the handling of covid.
No, I'm telling you the words you read don't mean what you claim they mean and that the organisation who wrote the words are saying you're misrepresenting them.
Oh, and you didn't "underestimate[] how bad the government would fuck up the handling of covid", you claimed it had a case fatality rate of 0.15% when it obviously was an order of magnitude or more higher, especially without a vaccine.
@goaded Right, Let's try this again. I underestimated the lengths the government would go to incentivize hospitals to kill people. I have admitted this mistake.
Yes. The phrase "Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants;" doesn't mean "little or no difference". Got it. War is peace, freedom is slavery.
No, another two lies. You know repeating them over and over doesn't really make them true, right?
"Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation.
It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive. Given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask-wearing itself reduces people's risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses. "
www.cochrane.org/.../statement-physical-interventions-interrupt-or-reduce-spread-respiratory-viruses-review
That's the website of the people who wrote the study saying you're full of shit.
@goaded right, that's the website backpedaling after they were threatened.
Bullshit. It's them explaining what you're too dumb to understand, especially given you total inability to comprehend that "not 100%" does not mean "0%".
@goaded the thing you can't get your two brain cells to connect on is that I don't care that you wore a mask. I'll laugh at you for being a dope, but you've got the right to wear it. You can believe all the lies and bullshit you want to justify wearing it.
I don't care what you think, I care that you keep lying and denying the truth. An inconclusive result from a scientific study doesn't prove anything either way, and if there are other studies that agree that masks work, that means masks work.
@goaded lol, no it doesn't. You desperately don't want to admit you were fooled. So you're clinging on to any bs you can find.
Ah, you've moved on to projection now. Did you admit that you were wrong when you said "Observational studies aren’t science."? Astronomy would like a word. Followed by Plate Tectonics. Not to mention the people who worked out that smoking kills from observational studies. Has anyone ever done RCTs on people and smoking for 30 years? No? Perhaps that's because they'd be killing their test subjects.
@goaded no, I'm happy with my choice not to wear a mask. I never looked like a moron in public.
Apparently morons look like you. I'm not talking about your choices about masks, I'm talking about your decision to propagate lies about them. And vaccines. And science generally.
@goaded the lie is gaslighting people that they didn’t read what they read.
Just to pipe in, Joel dumbass cited the dumbass Cochran review which even their authors admit there’s still “uncertainty about the effects of face masks.” So it means jack shit. Like an oil company producing a climate change research.
www.factcheck.org/.../
Lol, really - it’s like an oil company producing climate change research? What vested interest does Cochran have in a particular outcome? As opposed to say fauci and all the government-shill “scientists”
Cochran's review didn't have an outcome, it was completely inconclusive because they only looked at a perticular kind of evidence, of which there was next to none. Which is why the observational studies are important, and they say masks work.
If Cochran were true, you’d see multiple republishes and corroboration. Great that he’s trying! Maybe more research about masks are needed! But for pandemics of viruses that pass via breath a face mask is still vital.
Not 100% proof. Hell not even 50% proof prob. But that’d be a lot less dead people if you fucks would only care.
@OddBeMe people will stop dying? That’s amazing technology.
There you go with your "anything other than 100% is the same as 0%" nonsense. Thats for things you disagree with, of course.
@goaded what percentage does this prevent disease?
That's just stupid.
@goaded It's science! So, what percentage?
That's not wearing a mask, and you know it. You repeatedly claim that if some intervention doesn't stop all deaths (or infections) it's pointless. It's not.
@goaded Well it certainly is. They're wearing them during the pandemic.
What about this one... what % effective is this?
That's also not wearing a mask, and you know it. You repeatedly claim that if some intervention doesn't stop all deaths (or infections) it's pointless. It's not. What's pointless is expecting you to post a reasonable response without any lies.
@goaded He'd get by you if you were in charge of stopping people who aren't wearing a mask.
What about this... is it stopping a virus?
Sigh…. yes. He’s having a smoke - like AOC having a meal in a restaurant- and then putting their mask back on.
I wonder if your stupidity it’s just an act. I doubt it tho.
@OddBeMe retard, that’s smoke going through your super effective masks.
So you studied science in kindergarten, and no smoke and liquid aren’t the same right?
How many times do I have to tell you how covid is spread? You’re embarrassing yourself.
Vape “smoke” is water vapor. You know, like your breath.
No moron. Humans spit quite a lot. Undetectable when they breathe. That’s how Covid spreads. I know we’ve had this stupid convo 10x before but here’s the science for the tenth time.
www.news-medical.net/.../...le-drop-of-saliva.aspx
And hm…what is spit mostly made of…
"Vape “smoke” is water vapor." Nope.
"This isn’t water vapor." my.clevelandclinic.org/.../21162-vaping
It's usually Propylene glycol and/or Glycerol.
@goaded are these items larger or smaller than a virus. Asking for a friend.
The question is are they water or are they oily. Because N95 masks are designed to filter out water droplets. "NIOSH approved for at least 95 percent filtration efficiency against certain non-oil based particles."
@goaded wait did Joel ask what is spit? I think we should kick him out of our bowling league.
@OddBeMe do they even make bowling balls light enough for you to pick up?
If I can handle my testicles I can handle any size bowling ball
I guess since no other human will go near them, you’ve had plenty of practice.