Girls, why DON’T you think about the Roman Empire?

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

Western civilization is collapsing. I want to prevent that. Best to learn from history. The Roman Empire seemed similar to our modern civilizations and collapsed. Hopefully by studying the Roman Empire we can avoid societal collapse and continue to advance. Seeing it crumble piece by piece makes me worried.

^That’s why Western men think about the Roman Empire whenever they see signs of the first world collapsing.

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It’s ok, you people feel safe with CNN on, I feel safe with my guns :D

[AmandaYVR]

Hahahaha. A provocative and amusing title. Had to click on it.

Well, I have personally always found history of warfare something that puts me to sleep. However, the older I get, the more acutely aware I am that history has the answers to problems, yet people forget or choose not to look. So, you are absolutely right, and I agree with you. And I've actually been reading about this very thing, and others, recently, for a book I'm writing. It's amazing, sometimes, how a mind can connect seemingly disparate dots. (One of my favourite things of all to do.)

Not to put a pin into this, and deflate it but... men are more interested and therefore aware of stuff like this, but where has that got civilization? Even being aware, y'all are doing pissing contests, start wars, want power, land, jurisdiction, yada yada. Women may be passive, but they're also passive, lol.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

Very true. Unfortunately it is a pattern in nature. The difference is with human societies there are a small portion of intelligent who are dragged down with the unintelligent people. I think The question is not if the civilization as a whole can be saved, but how the intelligent ones can survive because that is the part worth saving. The cycle of destruction seems inevitable. But like how an intelligent person can overcome self-destructive instincts, I would like the intelligent people to survive and thrive during and after the collapse.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

And things keep pointing towards vigilantism as a solution (like you said, guys gotta do something when pointing out the problems does not motivate other people to act to correct the problems).

[AmandaYVR]

True. I have a vested interest in that too. Although I didn't have kids, so eventually it won't matter to me. But as long as I'm here, I'd like for things to get better, not worse.
The 'dumbening' of society... are you worried? ↗

Let's also remember that often the most intelligent people are disagreeable, poor communicators, with antisocial personalities who prefer to spend much time developing their ideas than figuring out how to get along with the rest of people. Sometimes I prefer nice over intelligent. But I really want both. Along with... what third trait should be thrown in here, to create a holy trifecta...

Anyway, yes, we do not need the monkeys running the asylum. I'm tempted to name names but I won't.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@AmandaYVR speak of the devil

https://youtu.be/r2Ba75U_JWE?si=UXcHAMRffoQVqkhK

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@goaded I see you believe the BBC and support the latest thing.

[blueonblack22]

You got a good point about “ men are more interested and therefore aware of stuff like this, but where has that got civilization?” @AmandaYVR

But no offense but times are declining because women vote. They also are much more likely to get behind destructive far left movements like BLM, Metoo and now they are all “pro Palestine” which is the equivalent to pro Hamas which is batshit insane. Seriously free western women supporting a terrorist organization that practices sharia law and enslaves women.

[Siri137]

"Let's also remember that often the most intelligent people are disagreeable, poor communicators, with antisocial personalities who prefer to spend much time developing their ideas than figuring out how to get along with the rest of people." - Amanda
Speaking on behalf of all the intelligent people out there, I can truthfully say that we are "disagreeable" and "don't get along" precisely because we can (for example) clearly see solutions to problems, how they arose and why they persist, but the rest of the ignorant mob are just not interested. I've also noticed that those who aren't as bright also tend to prefer to be told pleasant lies, rather than face the often painful truth. The less intelligent also rely upon their feelings and what they like to call "intuition" when making important decisions in life, with predictably disastrous consequences.
And one other thing; we're not "bad communicators". The basic problem is that those with whom we are trying to communicate (i. e. the ignorant, unintelligent majority) are just too stupid to understand us, and that gets frustrating after a while (like 20 years), and so we eventually just give up on them.

[AmandaYVR]

Y'all have made this topic ugly and combative.

I'm out.

[blueonblack22]

Yeah I can see why. But to be fair it had loaded undertones.

[RavVid]

Your bathroom has a direct lineage back to Rome. You should say a little prayer for Rome every time you flush :)

I think what guys admire about Rome is the organisation. Their army was well organized. The barbarians swung swords around whilst Roman soldiers hunkered down behind shields and darted out their short swords to stab them in the belly.

Romans were organised in everything - that is the admirable thing about them. Identify the problem the organize the solution. We need water to drink and to flush the toilets. No problem we'll build an aqueduct from that spring - it is 500 Km away. They had a manual on doing this :)

It went as far as checking the local's teeth.

So probably they were selecting water with just the right amount of fluorides in it. Not knowing about fluorides but knowing water had an influence on teeth.

Romans were so brilliant!

[Ms_Facesitter]

I see it like the roman empire. BECAUSE we're collapsing.

To keep the crowd in check, they organized gladiator games, bread to eat there. Keep the crowd busy using distractions. Is what I think of society today.

[blueonblack22]

Do western women generally think long term? Do they generally think using hard logic on what is the best choice (even though it might not be popular or easy choice). Above all western women generally independent thinkers and are not influenced and brainwashed about what “is in”?

Some can think this way. But way too many do not have the mental capacity to understand ramifications of reason and logic. Especially when the facts are odds with their emotions.

The final straw for me personally was when leftist white women supported Hamas in the recent war in the Middle East. These Down syndrome women are willing to support radical Islamic terrorists who surely beat, enslave, force marriage and rape them if they suddenly found themselves in the middle of the Gaza Strip. That is absolutely beyond insane.

So the answer is no. No women generally do not think about the fall of Rome. They only think about right now and how to gratify their emotions. Not all of course but a horrifyingly high percentage of them do have any insightful and critical thinking skills whatsoever.

[love_conquers_lust]

Will you stop insulting women and instead try to understand them.

[Anonymous]

The Roman empire is very interesting but you could not pay me enough to live in any society like that. Yes, it was ahead of it's time but by today's standards it would be a shithole.

Think about it - no modern medicine, no modern standards of hygiene. no scientific method or germ theory, no electrical appliances, no phones or internet or any kind of modern technology , close to no legal protections for the average person. There was either a good chance you were a slave that would be worked to death - and until then you were subject to physical and sexual abuse - or your were a serf or indentured servant. This is just the tip of the ice burg.

All those incel dude bros who talk about how they would want to live in those times would not last very long especially with no modern medicine and no internet porn to spank their monkey to ; they would have would actually have to go out their and get laid.. and even that would be a crap shoot since ancient Rome was one great big Sodom and Gomorrah of orgies and fornication where sticking your pecker in any given hole would cause it to fall off a week later due to who knows what STDs those perverted fuckers had floating around.

Fuck you ancient Rome... fuck you.

[Soteris]

... Are you serious? The Roman Empire is nothing like modern civilization. I know people like to romanticize the Roman Empire, especially in the context of Western Civilization as some form of aggrandizement. But dude, the Roman Empire was basically a 24/7 hour shit show. They were powerful, influential and all that but the history of its government and leadership reads more like a comedy routine if it was not based in reality and so extremely bloody.

What you are actually looking for is called systems collapse or societal collapse and that is a field of scientific study, not history. Also, we are not currently in danger of widespread civilization collapse either so just take a chill pill and enjoy the day.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

Our governments aren’t like a comedy routine? First world countries aren’t a 24/7 shitshow?

[Soteris]

Not really. I mean, the Republican party in USA is quite the clown show and the UK government also has its moments but generally speaking politics in the first world is incredibly dry and boring.

[Agagagagaga]

@Soteris Yes yes, we all know your witnesses activist opinions on the Republican Party. But you’re just a goddamn foreigner, so you don’t count. The goddamn crazy bum talking to a telephone pole matters more than you do. You are a great nothing.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@Soteris now I know you know nothing. I don’t even know where to start with you, from the current President of the United States having literal dementia to the BLM literal city-razing riots being defended by the news as “mostly peaceful.” You got 10 years of daily stories to catch up on of (especially the DEMOCRATIC FAR LEFT) being ridiculous and ruining America.

I’ll be waiting for your obligatory “LOL!”

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@Soteris that goes for Europe and the UK too.

[Soteris]

*rolls eyes* Yeah, sure buddy. Have you by any chance actually looked at criminal statistics over the years?

[goaded]

"literal city-razing riots"
FFS A dumpster fire or two is not "city-razing", if you want to see what "city-razing" looks like, look at Coventry or Dresden after WWII, or Gaza today.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

You’re literally insane. Think about it, if you can.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

I honestly can’t blame you people for choosing the bliss of ignorance.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@goaded I noticed you didn’t deny the part about Biden having dementia

[Exterminatore]

@Soteris

That’s funny. From a guy who chose a Latin screen name which means savior in Latin. Obviously you thought enough of Rome to use their language. Maybe Rome isn’t so dead nor is Latin.

You do know soteris is Latin for savior don’t you?

[goaded]

"I noticed you didn’t deny the part about Biden having dementia" Why should I bother, he clearly doesn't. He's old, but so is Trump; anyone saying Biden was too old in 2020 should have to admit that Trump will be too old in 2024 because he'll be older.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@goaded weakest deflection I’ve ever seen. Association by age. Just like a commie to go too far in language manipulation that it works on emotionally-vulnerable people.

[Soteris]

@Exterminatore Actually, Soteris is a name. Soter means savior but its a fairly pointless argument since most English names comes from special meanings and usually its from Latin. And yes, I knew this beforehand. Personally, I just picked it because I thought it rolled off the tongue in a pleasing manner.

[Soteris]

@Count_de_Monte_Volo
If you have looked at criminal statistics then are you perhaps aware that we are currently living through the most peaceful era in human history? No?

[love_conquers_lust]

@Soteris I don’t feel like you’re saving me from anything.

[Soteris]

@love_conquers_lust Do we need to have a talk about etymology or something? Also, if anything, I am saving people FROM you.

[love_conquers_lust]

@Soteris You really believe semantics is the issue?

I don’t like @Exterminatore if you find solace in that.

[Soteris]

@love_conquers_lust You are the one who brought semantics up.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@Soteris casting away your instincts does not make you smart or intellectual, it makes you gullible.

[Soteris]

@Count_de_Monte_Volo
So that is your argument for why we objectively have less crime today than 50 years ago and yet somehow we are teetering on the edge of social collapse ergo the Roman Empire? Your argument does not make sense because it is based on your emotions that things are getting worse when they really are not.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@Soteris “the most peaceful era” and yet the far left say things are worse than ever with white nationalism being “the world’s fastest growing threat”. Which is it?

[Soteris]

What? You think we have never dealt with nationalism before? We have to beat it down like once a generation because it keeps coming back like a cockroach infestation.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@Soteris even my far-lefty friend who has severe Trump Derangement Syndrome says you are delusional :)

[Exterminatore]

@Soteris

You are right, Soteris is a personal name. It’s derived from the word soter. Both mean savior. Soter is also the root of the word soteriology which is a theological term regarding the doctrine of salvation.

[purplepoppy]

How many of these men who think about the empire have even read a book on it? I suspect they get all their understanding from Hollywood and TikTok.

If the Roman empire was still going most of these guys would be slaves working for people like me but it's not, it's long gone so deal with it.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

Tv documentaries

[RavVid]

Not so long gone. Roman law continued long afterwards and is still highly influential. Your bathroom/toilet has a direct lineage back to the Romans - so you could think of them when you use it. A little thank you Rome when you flush :)

Yes I have read books but favor videos on specific topics now like free speech in Rome last night.

[JacobJordan]

wife response: I do as we live fairly close to italy when we are in Europe. I actually asked my husband if he could make our house of roman concrete (this was before they had figured out what was used to make it) and with his understanding of chemistry he figured that roman concrete must have some sort of water reactive compound in it otherwise erosion would have worn the buildings down. so he went through several different iterations to try and figure out what they could have used he finally settled on using chunks of limestone along with crushed limestone in the mixture. we are also trying to work on some roman architectural design for various parts of the inside and outside of the house. That is my contribution as I am an artist. sculptures, paintings, clothes, though my primary medium is clay, oil point and water color.

[bingbongbangbung]

If history is truly repeating, then that means the USA, Western Europe, Scandinavia, and parts of Central Europe are the modern Roman empire; while Canada, Eastern Europe, Russia, and Oceania are the modern day Byzantine empire. So even if the modern Romans end up falling, the modern Byzantines will continue to flourish for a long time before being annexed and absorbed into the modern or future equivalent of the Ottoman Empire. Yes both Canada and Oceania are quite woke and corrupt, but their geography, culture, and population will prevent them from fully collapsing unlike the others; Russia and Eastern Europe are already quite self sufficient (RIP Greece though). Ok I suppose Scandinavia might have the potential of surviving a full collapse, but that only applies to Finland, Denmark, and Iceland; Sweden, Norway, and Netherlands are gonna die off lol.

[AviatorTom]

A comprehensive study of history shows that all civilizations eventually crumble, typically within 400 years. Yes, some are longer, like Egyptian dynasties that last a few thousand years.

In modern times, all European countries lost their empire after 300-400 years. The united States is about 250 years old, and in decline.

You can study teh Roman Empire if you want, but most civilizations decline for similar reasons.

[bingbongbangbung]

But every civilization eventually rebuilds itself, even if it's not to it's former glory. It's a cycle that can't be avoided and applies to every human civilization

[ObscuredBeyond]

I would rather think about the Roman Republic. The Republic produced the Pax Romana, not the Empire.

We already have a modern version of the Roman Empire. It's called the modern USA.

It's collapsing for the same reasons.

A true republic is always "if you can keep it." Civic illiteracy is cancer.

[Exterminatore]

No, the Empire produced Pax Romana under Agustus who was the first Emperor.

[ObscuredBeyond]

@Exterminatore : The dying republic's old values led to it. It culminated under Augustus, and he assumed all credit for it.

[Exterminatore]

Respectfully I have to disagree there. It’s not a big issue and certainly not one I’m willing to get into a hot debate about. Historians say the Pax Romana started around 30 b. c. That was after Julius Caesar was assassinated.

Julius Caesar was the first dictator of Rome. He was never made emperor, just dictator. Yes it’s semantics. He was responsible for leading 3 legions in the Gallic wars. He took Agustus to be his adopted son. So the later end of the Republic was not one of peace. Pax being Latin for peace. After his conquest in Gaul, Caesar took his legions across the Rubicon river, something forbidden for generals to do. He nearly started a civil war by doing this. After he was assassinated Agustus became Emperor. At that time there was civil war resulting in the death of Mark Antony and Cleopatra, the puppet ruler of Egypt for the Roman Empire among other notable figures. After the civil war was ended during Agustus’ reign is when the Pax Romana began. It lasted through most of his reign. The only real war during Agustus reign was in Germania, where approx 3 Roman legions were annihilated under the leadership of Varius. The Romans responded to that roughly a decade later by sending a man later to be known as Germanicus to punish the Celtic tribes. Other than that it was mostly peaceful under his reign, and under his successor Tiberius reign, and his successor Claudius reign, and his successor Caligula’s reign. After Caligula was assassinated there was a fairly major war in Judea where the Jews revolted under Vespasian. At that time Jerusalem was practically leveled and the temple was destroyed by Titus and his legions, who succeeded Vespasian after his death. Prior to Vespasian there were a few minor conflicts but not much. It was largely known as a period of peace and prosperity for the Empire.

[WindAtMyBack]

I remember people were making this comparison forty years ago. I quit listening to it 39.99 years ago.

People say that history repeats itself. That is not true. You can take any two periods in history and find commonalities. That doesn't mean history repeats itself.

That does not mean there is nothing to learn from history. But every period of time is unique and must be viewed as such.

[AliceGregory]

Because it was too patriarchal; I'll take the Minoans and Etruscans to the Greeks and Romans any day :)

https://www.youtube.com/embed/A6cwPRovVXIhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/QAmyU7V93Pw

[RavVid]

Good point. Why don't girls think about the Roman Empire?

[HeartFullOfGlue]

Too busy thinking about the Mongol Empire and Joan of Arc

[NamerOfStars]

Because current American civilization is far better represented by the English empire at the time of its collapse, and Western civilization in general by the Portuguese?

[LazerBean]

Because not everyone goes through the same fads. Tiktok predicted months ago that basic boys were going to get an update that made them obsessed with the roman empire for a while. Get predicted.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

I’ve been thinking about it every month since over 20 years ago. What are you talking about?

[LazerBean]

Sure bro lmao

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@LazerBean just call me “Boomer”.

[LazerBean]

K boomer

[LazerBean]

That's not really accurate though, it's kinda insulting to boomers

[love_conquers_lust]

I don’t use TikTok though. I read up a lot about them and the engineering marvels they brought to the world. Rome was built with concrete, infused with clean water, and governed by a Republic, at least at first.

I also like their shield wall tactics with the maniple. I also like how Christianity spread throughout the Roman Empire.

[LazerBean]

I wasn't saying that Tiktok is what made boys think about Romans. Just that Tiktok predicted that it would become a fad soon, and afterwards boys started talking more about Romans across social media.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@LazerBean I never downloaded TikTok either. It is Chinese government spyware. Why are you trying to give tiktok so much credit?

[LazerBean]

Tiktok is spyware, as opposed to every other social media? Lol liberal take. Tiktok is the least censored platform out there, hence why our government hates it.

[love_conquers_lust]

@LazerBean. No idea. I do know that diversity and infighting is what effectively what made the Roman empire fall. Whether it was diversity of demographic or thought, OR both, I leave to you to decide.

I used TikTok briefly when it was Musical. ly or whatever it was named. I still have a single video I recorded.

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@LazerBean I don’t get why you are so insistent on insulting my personal experience and simping for tiktok. You’re being very cringe.

[LazerBean]

Of course you don't get why your reddit-vibe cringe is cringe, liberals who claim to be conservative never do.

[LazerBean]

@love_conquers_lust I have no qualms with people who are into the Roman empire, history is very interesting. Im mostly commenting to troll people who think that then watching a certain type of documentary is a virtue

[love_conquers_lust]

@LazerBean I'm just trying to coax you into talking about the Roman Empire 🙃. You're not biting.

You see some of the posts about elevated levels of lead exposure they experimenced? That's probably why they were so violent.

TikTok is spyware. Technically, so are a lot of free apps. Major difference being China has a bad reputation for over monitoring their people. I'd rather they not put up with it. I have a feeling it won't last. It will probably end up like ours with the government reporting to the people and not the other way around. When that happens, they probably won't have cheap manufacturing anymore.

[LazerBean]

Oh sorry lol and yeah, I've seen a few things on lead and mercury poisoning that are pretty interesting.

I agree that Tiktok is spyware. I just think it's kinda ludicrous for people to be upset at Tiktok spying on them, but okay with posting on another social media that sells their information to China, on their phone that uses a software system made by a company that also sells their information to China. Those politicians that were suing Tiktok? Most of them had stock in meta, which has Tiktok as it's biggest competitor

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@LazerBean what makes you think I use Reddit or other social media?

[LazerBean]

So you aren't in any social media aside from this and don't own any sort of smart device?

[Count_de_Monte_Volo]

@LazerBean You obviously have some kinda weird belief you are trying to prove that you are having a hard time believing doesn’t apply to me.

[love_conquers_lust]

@LazerBean @Count_de_Monte_Volo I’m on Linkedin, and the internet in general. I need a spreadsheet to remember all my usernames and passwords. Let’s see…over 200 of them. No Facebook, no MySpace. I just recently opened Twitter but I’m not really using it for socializing, same thing with TikTok. Inactive dating apps. Really, +90% of what I have is idle at any given time because I call on it when I need it.

I use all of it…to learn about the Roman Empire.

[LazerBean]

I can't blame you for not answering that, I didn't expect you to.

[LazerBean]

@love_conquers_lust Twitter and TikTok are both great learning tools. Plus they come out with news weeks before news channels do. It's worth having a phone that spies on me to be able to access all of that whenever I want in my opinion.

[love_conquers_lust]

@LazerBean. I’m starting to see the same stuff over and over. I’m not as one sided as I used to be.

My philosophy has been if big brother allocates resources to tap my conversations or monitor my phone traffic, then I must be important, so I’ll try not to let them down. Or you could say they should have better things to do than see what crazy gifts I buy off Etsy.

[LazerBean]

I totally agree. That data is actually automatically monitored and stored by phone companies, but it's the same concept since the government isn't normally going to care enough to pull that info. Google (who owns android) monitors even more and sells that info, but same concept again since in the grand scheme of things it's irrelevant that they are selling that information.

[love_conquers_lust]

@LazerBean I read the Deep Web is like +90% personal information. And it’s mostly garbage. They store all this archived information but can’t use it. It’s like digital trash, a data dump.

www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/deep-Web

[love_conquers_lust]

@LazerBean Contrast that with the Dark Web, a segment of the Deep Web, where things like The Silk Road exist. That’s the illegal shit.

[love_conquers_lust]

@LazerBean They probably have the reason why the Roman Empire fell in there somewhere. Like the classified artifacts in The Last Crusade:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ylJfYaYDCB8

[LazerBean]

I wouldn't be surprised, although deep wed information is likely what individuals have gone out and gathered themselves, not the major companies. It's kind of a different species

[FunkyMonkee]

I think about it several times a day!! it's usually the first thing I think of in the morning, even before I think about how I have to pee!

[FunkyMonkee]

I wouldn't watch CNN if you paid me!!

[NathanDavis]

a cringy manchild from TikTok doesn't really count as a man, though...

[DextroShade]

Most women can't even name 3 countries that exist in the present.

[Dargil]

They never heard of it. Government schools teach history began under Obama.

[Siri137]

Well, I have an interest in Byzantine history, so does that count? :)

[Exterminatore]

It counts. That is the Roman Empire. The eastern half. It’s just called the Byzantine Empire as a place marker in history for historians.

The Byzantines in medieval referred to themselves as “Romanus” meaning Romans, although that half of the empire was distinctly Greek in culture and eventually language.

[Siri137]

@Exterminatore Yes, the East Roman Empire.

[Exterminatore]

They should think about it to be reminded of their place in society.


Fac Romam interum magna!