In what way (s) has immigration PERSONALLY harmed you?

[msc545]

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People are really having trouble with this question. I want to know what direct negative personal effect immigration has had on you. Not whether or not you don't like it, or whether or not you expect it to happen, not those things.

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

In 2022 alone 110 000 Russians moved in Tbilisi, our capital city, they took all their savings and came there. The mass migration caused price increases on everything, because if an average Georgian was paying X in a rent, Russians offered 2X-3X. So lots of Georgians were pushed out by their landlords to give the places to Russian immigrants instead.

House prices increased a lot, because their purchasing power was bigger than Georgians’ and they all wanted to buy houses.

They never learned nor tried learning Georgian and they believe Abkhazia and Samachablo (The lands that were occupied by Russia) are Russians’ and even though they come to us to live, they don’t respect our history and language, I haven’t known a single new Russian migrant who tried to learn Georgian, they all speak in Russian and expect you to speak in Russian.

They opened shops and cafes, where they only serve in Russian and if you ask to be serve in our language, which is Georgian, because not all of us speak Russian, they might get defensive and ask you to leave the place. Just because you don’t speak Russian.

I personally know Russian but stopped speaking Russian after war. Because I heard how they killed Georgian civilians couple kilometers away from me and the things they did in Georgia, which were very brutal, evil and cruel and for many years I had nightmares of Russians coming and bombing us. The memory is very fresh for me to feel safe around so many Russians who are against our country’s autonomy and independence.

Not all of them are the same and I know a lot of my thoughts, come from my country’s horrible history experience with them, because we have 300+ years history of war with Russians. Ever since they appeared as our neighbor, they wanted to take our lands.
Most of those immigrants crossed the border illegally, which means they brought some illegal things, for example, guns, which - us - average Georgians are not allowed to have or carry without a license. They do have though. All of these makes me feel unsafe around them. And makes me feel like a guest in my own country.

There are some good people, I don’t hate them all, but generally the way they treated us in history gives me a reason to dislike them.

In our country - there’s a saying

There’s only one type of good Russian - which is a Dead Russian.

Our nation is very hospitable so Russians must have done something very evil to cause Georgians think this way.

There are some good people who have lived in Georgia for 100 years and they are Georgians.

About 1 year ago, I was asked out by Russian man here in China. Ever since he learned I was Georgian, he demanded me to speak Russian and when I refused, he got defensive and started being insulting to my country.

They hate that Georgia belongs to us, and almost all of them internally want Georgia for themselves.

Which doesn’t make me feel happy and safe when the numbers of immigration are so high and Georgians are only 3 million.

30 years ago in a war with Russia, Ukrainian men helped us a lot. When asked why so many of them fought with Georgians against Russians, they answered “We know the character of a Russian Mind, If we don’t stop them now in Georgia, our children will have to stop them in Ukraine tomorrow”

Which is happening now.

Generally I find it uncomfortable to be around people who are against my country’s independence, don’t learn or plan to learn our language and demand to speak their language in our own country.

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

That man didn’t get defensive, as I said nothing bad to him about Russia.

He attacked me verbally for not speaking in Russian and he refused to communicate in English. He was answering me in Russian and told me “You are Georgian, I know you speak Russian, we are all brothers and sisters, speak to me in Russian, I refuse to keep communicating in English.”

I said I feel uncomfortable speaking Russian ever since the war.

After which he started praising Putin and insulting my country and how it was our fault that our people got killed and our lands taken away.

Even if you don’t know the history, how’s it a fault of 3 million people Nation to start a war with 143 million people nation. Doesn’t make sense.

[RavVid]

Georgia is gorgeous from the photos a friend took there. I could well imagine Russians wanting to move somewhere warmer and more photogenic.

I joke that a lot world history has been driven by Northern Europeans wanting to be warmer. Vikings, Lombards, Visigoths etc. I spent some time near Hamburg and thought I'd never get the coldness out of my bones.

I remember the Russian invasion of Georgia and can well understand your sense of ill ease at Russian immigration. We all need to be mindful of Russian revanchism. I do hope the best for Georgia.

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

@RavVid Thank you very much. I appreciate your good wishes to my country. It means a lot to me 💖

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

Yep, Georgia is warm and photogenic. It’s a pretty underrated country.

It has it all, beaches, mountains, historical places, European and Asian culture influence and it had a reputation of heaven of the Soviet Union.

No wonder they like Georgia, but they like Georgia without us - Georgians.

Which is never going to happen. Georgia has much longer of a history than Russia can ever imagine.

[RavVid]

Long may it remain for Georgians!

[Daniela1982]

Higher taxes, trashier neighborhoods, more trash laying around in the streets, suspicious characters hanging around the neighborhood, more thefts - this affects everyone, not just me. Don't worry, we'll send them all to your town so you can share in all this. 😁

[msc545]

are your personal taxes higher as a result? Is there more trash in front of your house? Have you had things stolen by immigrants?

Or have you just learned to blame them for everything you can think of?

[Daniela1982]

My taxes are some of the highest in the Nation. I don't know about the part where you live. I'm sure Newsome will raise them again to pay for all this stuff. If my town is full of trash then yes, it affects me. If people get ripped off and insurance rates go up then yes, it affects me. If city employees get overtime for cleaning up trash and city taxes go up then yes, it affects me.

[msc545]

Do immigrants personally raise your taxes? Do immigrants cause all of the other things you mention. If you say they do, tell me how they do this, please.

[exitseven]

@msc545. If the state has to pay out 2 billion dollars a year the money has to come from somewhere. Either the state legislature has to increase the tax rate or the governor can raise some of the many fees imposed on us. They can also cut services. In my state there is a "cherry sheet" which lists the money the state domes out to the individual cities and towns for things like new fire trucks, athletic fields, and building maintenance and repair. Those funds will also be cut. So what if your kids school needs a new roof. As long as illegal aliens get a 500 a day hotel room and 3 culturally appropriate catered meals a day.

[msc545]

How does any of this affect you personally?

[msc545]

Have any of the things you're worried about actually happened?

[exitseven]

@msc545. It will effect me by higher fees and taxes, cuts in services and having to keep the cap on the back of my truck locked because wgmhen I went to home depot I saw some walking around the parking lot looking in the back of pickup trucks for stuff to steal.

[exitseven]

@msc545 if my kids were still in public schools I might have to seriously look at private schools.

[msc545]

@exitseven so none of this has happened - you are just worried about it, correct?

[exitseven]

It will happen when I file my taxes in a couple of months and then every year going forward

[msc545]

@exitseven Tell me when and if it happens along with an explanation of how immigrants caused the problem.

[Levin]

Last year net migration was 700k in the UK. Completely out of control. The population has risen from 60 to 68 million in 20 years.

House prices have gone through the roof. This is due to a chronic lack of supply of housing, and a huge demand created by an extra 8 million people in a small country. Extortionate house prices is ruinous for the population. It means that people in their 20s and 30s effectively stay as children. They can't afford to move out. They can't afford to raise a family. It creates huge demographic issues, now our population is becoming ever more old and elderly. The prospect of social security and pensions that my parents enjoyed is becoming an increasingly hazy far out of reach. Now I will have to basically work till I die. To pay taxes to bring up immigrant's children since I won't be able to afford any. Basic form of cuckery. A big chunk of my wages goes on taxation which is totally soul destroying, one loses faith in work and the system.

They are huge cultural issues, too. Due to a lack of integration and a form of cultural silos as I've heard them called. Discrete cultures within cultures who pass each other on the street but aside from that are basically strangers to each other in the same land, doing entirely different things. This is a globalists wet dream to weaken the culture of a country because it makes any unified force to oppose unlikely, with little micro cultures at war with each other instead. Culture itself has vastly been watered down and been weakened. The UK 20 years ago could match countries 5 times bigger with its own cultural exports. We fucked the US and pretty much every country with what we produced. Now we can't produce a decent comedy because we're terrified of offending. Culture is watered down. There is a culture of self-censorship. Everybody is terrified of speaking. There is always the risk of being cancelled, of being brutalised by these myriad 'compassionate' forces.

I can safely say that in this country it is getting to the stage where it feels like there is no culture. It just feels like some kind of corporate police state. There is a lack of a sense of anything having any meaning. This country is fucked and dead as far as I'm concerned.

[Levin]

By the way, I've also been attacked; sorry, I mean culturally enriched; by Muslims on two separate occasions. On one occasion, I was walking home late at night and four Muslims stopped their car and waited with their door ajar until I walked past. Then got out and started walking towards me with rope.

[msc545]

Did they hurt you?

[Levin]

Nah, they walked up to me but as soon as they saw my face they stopped. I can only presume they thought I was a woman. As it was winter and I was covered up. In which case, I can only presume if it had been a woman they would have tied her up, drove off, and raped her.

[msc545]

Ok good.

[Levin]

Cheers. I feel like that could have been pretty grizzly. It was like 1am in the morning, minus 10 outside, dead of winter, and I could just feel like I had no fight. Like, now I'm different. I'm much tougher these days. Not that 1 against 4 is an appealing prospect.

[RavVid]

People need somewhere to live and immigrants are no exception. if there is a sudden increase in immigration, it immediately impacts on the rental housing market.

I own so it doesn't directly affect me but it does impact upon me personally in terms of people I know, in terms of politics. It has a pervasive wide spread effect.

[msc545]

Is it personally affected? You were harmed you in any way?

[RavVid]

The pertinent words i used were 'directly' and 'impact'. If I needed rental accommodation and I could not afford the current market value because a large influx of immigrants had caused rents to increase beyond what i could afford and I became homeless than that would be in my terms be directly affected.

If instead a sibling became homeless because of rental increases and I needed to give them my home office to sleep in then I would say that impacted on me in a fairly negative way.

The problem is that personally harmed is a vague term. The truth is that increasing the number of people seeking rental accommodation by 10% - just to pluck a number out of thin air - is going to increase rental prices.

I don't have to be directly affected to be impacted and harmed by this.

[msc545]

How are you directly affected by increased rental prices at this time?

I am asking because I think you conclusion that increased rental prices are caused by immigrants in some fashion is highly questionable.

[RavVid]

Well my dumbass gov't has increased immigration to 550,000 from normal level of 200,000 or 275%. The cost of rentals has increased by 8% and is expected to reach 10%. There are record low vacancies for rental properties and open for inspection get 40-50 potential tenants.

It is quite clear that an extra 550,000 seeking rentals have shifted the point on the demand an supply curve in Australia

[msc545]

how does this affect you personally?

[msc545]

Please read the question and tell me what direct personal effect immigration has had on you. Not what you don't like about it.

[Levin]

If you own outright you can say it has benefitted you as there will be more value in the property. Although yes, it is very shit for people trying to get on the housing market. They have been effectively made into wage slaves. With less or little money left over for leisure, holidays the things that make life worth living.

[RavVid]

@Levin What I said at the beginning was that as I own outright, I am not affected by higher rentals. There is an effect of increasing property value I grant but that has no beneficial effect at all. I could sell for more than I paid but I would pay more for a new residence so it is strictly a zero sum game.

There is a lot more than just these aspects. For a start, as you point out, people under rent stress have less disposable income and less likely to spend at cafes in my local area that are just starting to recover from covid lock downs. Businesses failing in my street negatively impact the amenities of my local area which is quite important to me. It relatively decreases the value of my property compared to property in other areas. I did say a general increase of lets say 10% across the property doesn't mean any thing but a relative decrease of -10% in my area and an increase of +10% in other areas is a significant cost to me.

More people require more food for example. Another supply demand curve.

A sudden jump in immigration has a pervasive effect and amounts to poor economic management. My country is calibrated for an immigration of 200,000 pa. Suddenly jumping that up by 250,000 jumps up demand for everything people need. Some of those demands are relatively quickly met. Some of those demands necessarily have slow response times. For example sewerage capacity.

i think you are failing to realize that more people increase a lot of demands rapidly, others more slowly and the response to those can be rapid or slow but it doesn't necessarily match rapid/rapid and slow/slow. It can be rapid/slow and slow/rapid. The amount of shit increases immediately but larger sewerage pipes happens slowly is a hypothetical example.

[msc545]

I think you've still not read my question properly.

[RavVid]

You have asked how immigration has harmed and my answer is it has negative economic impacts and social impacts on me that are personal harms to me. You might argue those harms are trifling but you cannot argue those harms aren't harms.

[msc545]

You really don't get it. How are the economic impacts and social impacts personal harms to you? Last time I ask you this.

[RavVid]

I really don't understand why you do not understand why adverse economic impacts are not harmful to me. It can only be that you have some other definition of what personal harm is. In which case you should define your terms which you haven't. To me

Personal is what affects me. Exactly dictionary definition.

Harm is a negative affect on me. Dictionary definition is physical injury but I think economic or emotional harm is reasonable usage.

Share your usage of these words.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

They're carrying COVID into the State of Texas and sure enough they're making their ways to Pennsylvania.

[msc545]

This is a problem for you? How?

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

@msc545 Also I can walk outside and get my brains killed with a gun from two gangs from Mexico yes shit happens bro.

[msc545]

or maybe just the gangs that are already there?

[exitseven]

I am paying more taxes for fewer services. The schools in my town are having to take resources away from citizens to hire expensive special ESL teachers and tutors. I had abdominal pain one night and instead of going to the emergency room and wait 7 or 8 hours to be seen I stayed up all night with it until my doctor's office opened the next day.

[msc545]

Did immigrants personally raise your taxes? What resources were taken away and how do you know it was to hire ESL teachers and tutors? How do you know your ER wait would have been that long since you didn't even go?

[exitseven]

Yes, the governor had to go tobthe legislature twice to get 250 million dollars a pop. The state is currently running a billion dollar deficit. She just raised the hotel and meals tax to 33%. This will only partially make up for the shortfall. She will have to raise fees on other things as well as also cut some services. The state cannot print money like the feds can. You can bet the services that will be cut will be things that taxpayers citizens use. She invited all these freeloaders and signed them up for free drivers licenses so she could get more voters. The taxpayers have to pick up the tab. She is going for another 250 million in February. We have two bridges that need to be replaced. Total is 4 billion dollars. Not letting illegal aliens into the state we would have had both bridges built in 2 years.

[msc545]

How does all this affect you personally and in what way? Very specifically are supposedly illegal aliens responsible for this?

[msc545]

You keep coming up with examples of problems that you think immigrants are responsible for. You have yet to tell me how they are responsible and in what way they are responsible.

You just keep reciting problems without attributing them to any specific causes or issues. You also have not told me how these things affect you. Personally. You are not answering my questions.

[Sasahara]

Forrest I used to take walks in got cut down to build a neighborhood for new countrymen (people who moved here from other countries) thats the worst affect it has had on me personally here in Norway.

[msc545]

ok thanks for answering.

[exitseven]

It is not just the US that is dealing with this. There have been a few populist presidents that have been elected last year. The problem of border control and illegal aliens is a big part of the reason. People are just fed up

[msc545]

Some people are fed up. Most are not

[Sasahara]

@exitseven I sympathize with those who are fed up, I just answered the question with how I personally have been affected

[msc545]

Thank you for doing that. Almost nobody else with one exception has been able to do that at least initially. I don't think the question is that hard to understand.

[JayBones]

Legal immigration.
1) Increased competition in middle class white collar jobs
2) reduced compensation in middle class white collar jobs

Illegal immigration
1) increased rapes, child trafficking, auto theft, and assaults
2) overburdened Healthcare, child care, welfare systems and local government
3) reduced quality in basic services and jobs requiring physical labor
4) suppressed wages of low skilled lower class jobs increasing poverty in under privileged neighborhoods

[msc545]

And that has personally affected you HOW?

[JayBones]

Increased the competition for and decreased the wages of my middle class job

Increased rapes, child trafficking, auto theft in my area. Lowered the quality of work needed on and around my properties, lowered the property value of some of them as well. Increased the competition and lowered the wages of low skill jobs for the neighboring kids causing them to stay at home well into their 20's cluttering my streets with cars blasting Tejano music until 4 am

[msc545]

So you basically lost some money and got annoyed by some music?

[JayBones]

And increased rapes, child trafficking, auto thefts and assaults.

[msc545]

Have you been raped, trafficked, had your car stolen, or assaulted?

[JayBones]

Yes.

[msc545]

No. And I am done with you. You have no reading comprehension and you are rude.

[driven159]

It harms every working person they work for less money most of them at very low under minimum wage which keeps everyone's wages down plus many are getting some kind of government aid so we as taxpayers pay for low wage earners Not hard to figure that one out

[msc545]

How has it personally harmed YOU?

[driven159]

I would make more money if the wage scale were higher all wages will be higher just plain common since but if you have a low base then there will be a lower high base too so that means lower retirement less income not rocket science. here

[msc545]

You are still making predictions. So -

In what way (s) has immigration PERSONALLY harmed you already?

[Sargentcaptain]

Boy, I'm getting a lot of use out of this meme nowadays.

[msc545]

Yes that is the question here. Wan to answer it or keep deflecting because you have no answer?

[Sargentcaptain]

It's not a deflection, it's an answer - it doesn't matter whether or not it affected you directly. It's a myopic, self-centered, meaningless, retarded view. Did 9/11 affect you directly? Did the thousands of gangrapes that happen every single year, drive-bys, war crimes and genocides? Who gives a rats fucking ass whether or not it something personally harmed you. The holocaust didn't, Nanjing didn't.

[msc545]

So you just don't like. What if immigrants were white? Would you dislike it less?

[Sargentcaptain]

No, it ain't about their race.

[msc545]

Yes, I guess it's just a mistake that the only people you really go off on about have either brown or black skin. No racial overtones here of course.
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It would be better and certainly more honorable If you just admitted it. Then we could actually talk about it.

[Sargentcaptain]

What the hell are you bitching about now?

[strateguy632]

immigrants do not hurt me. but illegal immigration is a big problem. only a selfish person says "i do not care if i am not affected" but if you care about america...

[strateguy632]

and coming from a guy who admitted he got a car crash with immigrant no insurance... you got hurt but want open borders.

[OddBeMe]

They come into my country and use their foreign accents to steal our women with their hotness! Keep the damn Hemsworths out!

[lightbulb27]

omg, I was literally thinkng the same question 20min ago.

[Agape93]

It hasn't, legal immigrants or illegal.

[msc545]

Thank you.

[Agape93]

Hell, my most recent lay is a friend of mine, who came from Lebanon. Great cook, sweet man.

[msc545]

Nice!

[KrakenAttackin]

Traffic accidents with unlicensed, uninsured, illegal immigrants.

[msc545]

Yes that particular thing has happened to me as well. Is it actually happened to you?

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545. Sure has. Overall I don't have a problem seeking a better life but it can't be a free-for-all.

[msc545]

Maybe it's part of the entry process to the US. We should educate immigrants regarding driving in the US. A lot of them don't seem to know how to drive well here and they often are uninsured unlicensed and not very good drivers.

[msc545]

Thank you for responding with something concrete and real as opposed to imagined problems. I appreciate it.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545. You bet. As I said, I have no problem with lawful immigration. I think every country has a right to control who crosses their borders.

[msc545]

Yes, I agree with you about this. However, this is not necessarily a reason to tolerate bigotry against others. I think of a lot of the problem that we're having is the tension between people wanting to come here and the very difficult to negotiate set of laws and regulations that they encounter if they try to do it. Also, big business, particularly big agricultural business wants cheap labor and they don't really care as long as they don't get caught if people are legal or illegal as long as they don't have to pay them much and certainly don't have to pay any benefits. This is particularly true of the agricultural industry in California where field workers are sometimes paid 2 and $3 an hour for essentially back breaking work. This is an old and very pernicious problem.

[jamesgoldman]

Not at all, they bring better quality gold than the 9kt so common here

[NathanDavis]

it doesn't

[msc545]

Thank you

[NathanDavis]

you're welcome... from the border itself

[msc545]

Yep, San Diego area or?

[NathanDavis]

Texas

[msc545]

Ah interesting. I am San Diego adjacent on the coast...

[NathanDavis]

lucky...

[msc545]

Sort of yes

[NathanDavis]

weather wise, I would say so...

food too

[msc545]

How so with the weather?

[NathanDavis]

I know San Diego has much nicer weather than the sustained 111F summers of Texas... lol

[msc545]

well... yes...