Why do "trans" people hate their own body so much?

[Ecologygirl76]

To me, all the "trans" movement is, is these people's inability to accept the body they were born with. What happened to the "body acceptance" movement? I guess it doesn't apply to these people.

What they fail to realize is that, you can still be male and be feminine, for example. Or female even though you enjoy stereo-typically masculine things. Nothing wrong with that. As a feminine male, you probably won't get along with masculine males but there's a tribe for you. No need to change your body and appearance.

In today's world, there's significant emphasis on mental health. Hating your own body is super unhealthy.

[FunkyMonkee]

It has nothing to do with hating their body.
Imagine you were in some kind of a coma for a very long time and someone came up with a way to give your life back by placing your brain into a robotic body that you had full control of. They did the operation and when you woke up, you'd eventually discover that you were no longer in your own body. You'd want your own body back, wouldn't you? You'd feel the body you are now in is NOT where you should be, and you'd want to be in your own body, wouldn't you? Well, it's the same with them. They feel that they were born in the wrong body and by getting a sex change, they are only correcting the mistake of nature. Their birth body feels foreign and strange to them so, now that we have the tech to do it, they feel the only way to fix it is to get a sex change.
We ALL start out as female for the first 3 months of pregnancy. The hormones that decide what the baby will be kick in at the third month but, in some cases, even though the sperm says it's gonna be a boy body, sometimes it says that it's gonna have a girl brain! After the baby is born, it feels as though it's a girl but it looks down and sees boy parts! This is not right for that kid and they feel they were born in the wrong body. To them, it feels like a birth defect.
If you were born with only one arm but science came up with a way to attach an arm to your body 20 years later, or even to make your missing arm grow out of your shoulder, wouldn't you want them to fix your body to give you the arm you've been missing your whole life? Well, this is the same deal. All they want is for the Dr. s to fix THEIR body so it's as close as it can be to how they feel it SHOULD'VE been all along.
What I don't understand is why so many people can't understand what it's all about and just leave them alone to live their lives? They're NOT out to hurt anybody else. Why does everyone else feel it's THEIR right to hurt them, just because those people don't understand? Would you make fun of someone that was born without an arm and then had it grow out of their shoulder one day?

[Ecologygirl76]

because anyone who stands out in the crowd is going to be a target, it's not that hard to understand.

[Soteris]

There are plenty of trans people who do not feel the need to perform surgery and instead just live their lives how they feel such as changing their names, fashion and behavior just like how you described. This however is not enough for some of them and while it would be great if we could just cast a magical spell and resolve their problems with themselves, that is not the world we live in. Considering this is an issue that they feel so strongly about that many will not be able to live a normal life, if not outright commit suicide, then performing a cosmetic surgery is just a much easier option.

There is also the fact that these surgeries are often super successful, in that the patient is happy with the results. If I remember correctly it is the surgery with the most positive feedback where even people who receive life saving surgeries have more regrets than trans people after a surgery. So honestly, giving surgery to the few that want to go all the way has almost no downsides.

As for WHY it is such a big problem, it can mostly be summed up as society antagonizing trans people. Things like bullying, oppression and such things for example. Even if we were to resolve that there is also a more broad issue of an identity crisis where what you feel internally is contradicted by what other people view externally. If you feel like a woman inside and everyone you meet view and treat you as a man then that difference can cause problems for some people. This will always be a problem as long as society respect gender stereotypes and treat people different based on their gender.

[BuffTaco]

They don't. They aren't tomboys and femboys who think they're ugly but somehow would like their body if it was the opposite sex instead of being prettier/handsomer. They're just men and women who want to look like men and women. It's really very simple.

[NamerOfStars]

Generally, they don't- at least not in my experience. They simply find themselves miserable with their situation, get convinced they'd be better off if they were the opposite gender, and get convinced into declaring themselves trans by the "open-minded" and "liberal" people who think that being discontent with assigned social roles based on gender means that you're not that gender.

So they start using new pronouns and names, and get praised for it, because people don't want to seem unsupportive, so they go to medical professionals who are extremely reluctant (if they're even allowed) to be anything other than unquestioningly affirming on the subject, and a few steps later, irreversible surgery happens.

I don't dispute the existence of gender dysphoria, but everything I've seen and heard suggests a hell of a lot of these people are either just gay or autistic (or both), and basic medical ethics call for a SERIOUS slowdown and reexamination of the situation. It shouldn't be easier for a high school student to get major doses of cross-sex hormones than to get out of detention for skipping school.

But then, I'm egalitarian, and favor equal treatment of the sexes, so these people already think I'm a heathen.

[gorydetails]

They're mentally ill and being coddled by society. Worse than that, they're being groomed into acts of terrorism by the left.

[Ecologygirl76]

agreed

[NaultD]

It's almost like like every other person hates how they look? It's not just a trans thing but equal amout of body dismorphia for both genders and some trans.

Every girl wanting barbie figure or every guy wanting to be gi joe.

[monorprise]

The mind can change, unfortunately the body is not so adaptable. Therefore it is an ailment of the mind

[Soteris]

What are you talking about? It is much easier to change the body than the mind.

[monorprise]

@Soteris It is always easier to have someone else to do something for you rather than do it yourself.

To this end yes, it can be easier to pay a doctor to do all the work required to mutilate your body with tools and drugs, Than you lift a finger to do really half as much work to change your own mind.

That you know not how to control yourself is because you never learned just as doctors at one point never learned to how to mutilate people with drugs and knifes.

But if you don't learn to contol your own mind you will have far more problems over time than what you can pay anyone else to address. And what you pay them to do will not necessarily even help you.

[Soteris]

That is just wrong. Your mind is mostly a slave to your body, in that your mind is directly influenced by things such as hormones. Saying that you need to learn how to control your mind is about as nonsensical as saying that becoming drunk from alcohol only happens if you do not learn how to control your own mind and allow the outside influence to control you.

Your body can control if you are happy, when you are sad, what you feel and many more things. This is not something that you simply gets to decide which is why a medical approach might be much simpler and also have a higher success rate.

[monorprise]

@Soteris You seem to be getting things backwards.
To say your mind is not responsible for you having become drunk is to presme your mind didn't choose to drink soo much.

Someone must have refused to hold you responsible for your bad behavior growing up for you to have internalized their excuses in claiming you have no agency. If that is in fact true, then for the good of everyone you need to be confined before your lack of self-control causes you to hurt someone.

Regardless To say your mind does not control your body is to require you be asleep and thus in effect have no presenst of mind or crippled.

That your body might send messages to your mind influencing it state is no diff rent than being informed of your hunger or physical health of the same. How you choose to react to theses signals are still very much in your control.

You acknowledged this fact when you expressed the desirability of paying someone else to address them for you via a complex medical procedure. Which while it may seem simple to you given you are not doing almost any of the work, it is not only unnatural (you didn't evolve for this), the work others do is in fact quite difficult with significant undesirable risks and consequences depending on what they do.

Im sure the doctors who want your or rather Our (via socializing insurance) money are eager to sell you the service but that does not mean it is a better option than you simply learning to deal with life as everyone else has for hundreds of millions of years.

[Soteris]

I used the argument of alcohol because of the influence that alcohol has in your body, not because you have a choice in drinking it. News flash, you do not control if and when your body chemically manipulates your mind. Love, pain, hunger and a million other feelings that manipulates your behavior, likes and dislikes are all just your body controlling your mind. Yes, that also includes sleep.

Why do you eat? Why do you have a favorite food? Why do you think certain things are fun and other things are boring? You guessed it, your body is directing you towards wanting things that it thinks are good for you and avoiding things that it thinks are bad for you. No aspect of your life is really devoid of this control and for the most part that is fine, until your body makes a mistake.

If you want to live a life where you take control over yourself then you need to start at where a Buddhist monk is and then go far beyond that. It is not just hard, it is inhuman and quite frankly realistically impossible.

[monorprise]

@Soteris As mentioned I will not dispute that your body informs your mind of circumstances but that is not the same as controlling your mind. However if your body was telling you, you were female you would have have female biology.

Alcohol likewise impairs your mind as do many other drugs you can take I do not see a point to this observation beyond an attempt at a red hearing argument of people with female biology needing some kind of correction also means 94% + who don't can justify the same.

There is a lot more you can do with your mind without anywhere near as much effort as you pretend and it does not require a monk's level of concentration or devotion.

[Soteris]

You do not appear to get it. The body does not "inform" your mind, it manipulates it. You know all those drugs and such? They interact with your biology, most of which are in the intended way. In other words, that is also how your body interact with your body, mental impairment and addiction all.

And while yes, there are a lot of things you can do with your mind it does not mean it is easy to defy your own body. Mentally changing the person you love, despite not having any feelings for them because that is your bodys doing. Ignoring pain when for example going to the dentist or having a surgery without painkillers. Even something simple as changing the music you like despite your body telling you that you hate it every step of the way.

Changing your body, while theoretically possible, is inhuman. It is not how humans function, it is not a healthy way for us to live. It is a struggle against yourself that you will probably lose and one which will scar you mentally. That is why you need to at least have a monks level of devotion, because otherwise you simply do not have a chance.

[monorprise]

@Soteris The body is not a thinking machine, it simply is a source of information be it electrical or chemical for your brain. The difference between informing and manipulating is the ability of the source to change dynamically in response to how you interpreter the information.

That requires thinking which your body simply can't do independent of the mind. As for being 'scared' by the effort to control your own mind, that is just your own fear motivated by intellectual laziness talking.

Regardless what we are talking about is gay and trans people who have a mental illness not a physical illness. If their body was telling them they were of the other sex the body would already behave of that sex.
Therefore the issue is the cultural corruption and laziness of their own minds.

[Soteris]

No that is not how it works at all. Your body does not send you "information" in the same sense as a computer sends data signals. The information that your body sends is just as much "information" as they are "instructions". They act upon your biology and changes you based on the stimuli it experiences.

Take for example how testosterone, not only does it regulate the development of your body in various ways but it also impact your mentality or even your memory. Maintaining a balance of testosterone is crucial for both men and women for both their body and mental health. The same is true for pretty much everything else to a larger or lesser degree.

And no, your body is not designed to outright be a specific gender. The construction of your body is a chaotic process where more things goes wrong than goes right. Even if you took the blueprint of your body, your DNA and all that, and then made 100 "perfect" copies, they would all be different and unique because the process of making a human is inherently flawed by design.

You just need to accept that you have no idea how these things actually work, because holy shit you are making a food out of yourself right now.

[monorprise]

@Soteris If you knew how computers in the current von Neumann architecture works you would know that instructions and data are stored in the same place and processed. This makes many things possible but both are nonetheless part of the superset known as information.

Thus far you haven't said anything that I haven't known for many decades I am well aware of how biology works and develops, I do not however see how any of this justifies your position nor changes what I said.

The body is what it is, and what it is not is a system capable of a manipulative conversation equal to that of its brain. Therefor the brain is in control and the body merely offers information.

This does not mean that the information the body pro-vies does not change how the brain behaves, The brain is intended to do precisely that on the basis of a large range of information.

It is however the non-intelligent responsiveness of the body that makes it's influence merely informational and not manipulative and therefore controllable.

As such to make the case that tyrannies cannot deal with their problems except by changing the body without demonstrating something specifically female with the body which can be measured is nonsense.

[Soteris]

*groan*

Alright, lets go back. Evolutionary speaking, the mind must have evolved after the body. In other words, a body can exist without a mind and perform the basic duties of life. A mind is not required for life, it is something in addition to it and "intended" (if such a thing can be ascribed to evolution) to simply enhance the survivability of the body.

You are not the primary "program" of your body, you are an addition to it. A slave to it. Your body can, and will override your judgement where as you have no realistic way to override your body. You for example do not have control over your own heart, that is a privilege that the body has kept from you and it can do that because the bodies functions do not derive from the mind but the other way around.

[Soteris]

You only exist within the limitations that the body has set out for you. You are not truly and never will be truly free from its influences. For example, you have no more power to stop your own heart as you do the ability to change what color "red" is in your mind even though it is entirely made up or any number of other facts about who you are as a mind that is simply dictated to you by your body.

The body does not need to have a base intelligence (even though it has, including its own neural networks AKA brain) to manipulate and control you because those controls were literally built into the design of the mind.

If you take a human fetus and let it grow up alone, without anyone around to teach them literally anything. Who would teach that child to breath? That things that hurts is bad? To avoid things because they are "scary"? All these things, where do they come from if not the body? A computer in a similar circumstance does not have the same response. A computer does not fight you when you press the "off" button. A computer does not care if you hammer on it with a crowbar. It is not a natural response from the ability to think alone and would only come forth if there was something behind the mind who guides it. Manipulates it you could say.

[monorprise]

@Soteris This goes back to the difference between information and manipulation we spoke of earlier. Life does not always require complex manipulation on the level of the brain, this is not however the same thing as to say when given that capability with the brain that. It is that diffidence in capability that makes the body mere information to the brain.

[monorprise]

@Soteris Although we are largely bound to our bodies currently, in theory that won't always be the case. AS for control of your own body, its true we have aspects we are hard pressed to control. But as others have demonstrated with enough concentration you can actually stop your own heart.

This for obvious reason however is beyond what most people can and almost anyone would want to do. It is also not a relevant capability to the topic at hand. Changing what color "Red" is in relatively simple thou just give it a new name.

As for the fact that the brain really does control most of the body not sure how that help you either. If you don't teach the child to breath it might die, as for the need to learn all the other things many of which are pre-programmed into us like a fear of snakes etc.. Most animals come with such evolved programing as they are not so well taught by their parents. This is the reason soo much of the mega fauna went extinct outside of Africa and Asia when they first encountered modern humans without having thousands of years before encountered our less effective but similarly dangerous relatives to evolve such a fear.
Again this has nothing to do with the body but in fact the evolution of the mind, and does not support your case regarding trans as they can't reproduce.

[Berethor]

Insanity, yea transmen should be just tomboys and not hate the body they born with.

[ChicoFromThe305]

People rather push others to do things they wouldn't do themselves instead of just guiding them to accept themselves for the way they are.

[jahaims]

If you felt like the opposite gender you would hate your body as well. Pretty easy to figure out.

[Staximus]

Lack of self acceptance. They are mental cases

[Sabretooth]

likely? hanks to transphobes -- which, I'm ashamed to admit -- I used to be one.

[Jennz6]

I like feminine males

[Jennz6]

I actually went clubbing with chics with dicks 💃