Is being “white nationalist” racist?

[OddBeMe]

Yes Heard this wasn’t recently and wanted to make sure I wasn’t going crazy

Yes

No

Other

[Soteris]

I mean yeah.. White nationalism first of all believes that there is a "White Race", which is both racist and not true, but then goes on to support a white ethnostate. Which is also racist. We can also take a step back and analyze the people who are either self identified as white nationalists or otherwise are identified as such and analyze their beliefs and motivations that made them into white nationalists.. which is almost always grounded in racism.

So at this point we just have to conclude that white nationalists are not just racists, they are racists on several levels reaching a sort of racist^3 or whatever. Kinda hammers home just how stupid that ideology is.. since you know.. human races scientifically do not exist.. and these idiots made a political identity over it..

[OddBeMe]

Yes agreed. Sociologically the labels help like on 23 and me and stuff. But there’s no other difference. Sure genetics can tell probable skin color. Doesn’t mean much else.

[findacure4wokeness]

@Soteris Racial statistics suggests that their are indeed differences between people who identify as being of certain races. Do you Support BLM? If I was to shoot off racial slurs in the the street most People would get upset and if I did it in most forums including GAG my comments would be removed because most people including you know that their is such a thing as race. You even claim that White Nationalists are racist, How can white people be racist if there aren't any White People?

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Even if that was true that there are statistical differences, which is an argument I am far too lazy to have today, that would not mean that there are different human races. In fact you would expect there to be differences between individuals, groups and even geographic locations.

After all, no one claimed that everyone is identical. You are different from your father. You have different properties, stronger in some areas while being weaker in others etc.. You are not a different race from your father just because of this.

For you to prove that there are different races there is a very simple requirement. You need a way to prove it, and with that I mean that there needs to be something specific that you can test which would say with a definitive "yes" or "no" that a certain person is of a certain race.

This does not exist and countless scientists has spent their lives trying to find it only to fail. The fact that the lines between what you claim is one race and another are so blurry that you can't test for it is evidence for there not being any human races. The moment we diverge enough for there to be a testable difference is the day we have evolved into different races. This is very unlikely to happen thanks to humans traveling all around the world though.

Also things does not need to exist for people to believe they do and therefore also act as if they do. As such things that do not exist can have real world impacts. Santa for example does not exist yet many children believe and both children and adults make sure that Santa still has a change on the world in real life. Likewise all the religions etc..

[findacure4wokeness]

DNA proves that different races exist. Do you want to mix us all up to the point that no body can be defined as one particular race.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Nope. There has never been a DNA proof that has shown the existence of human races. If you want to use things like the DNA tests you can send in to track your ancestry then those are not based on "proofs" in your DNA to define what group you are from but rather how many "indicators" you share with people who have a history of ancestry in a particular region over a long time.

They are neither exact since they are based on approximating your DNA with someone else in a completely arbitrary way nor definitive since both false positives and false negatives are expected. DNA tests like those are only a certain % "reliable" (if you want to use such a term in this context in the first place).

Anyways, digression over. DNA tests are not the proof you think they are. They support my side of the argument, not yours.

[findacure4wokeness]

Common sense support my argument not yours, just because you can't tell the difference between a White man and a N**** speaks volumes about you. Most 1 year old's know the difference. My DNA matched me very accurately to relatives and I'm 100% western European so guess the color of my skin is?

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Common sense is neither common nor sensible. Common sense for example tells us that the earth is flat and it takes quite a lot of effort to prove otherwise.

What amazes me the most however is that you do not think the entire scientific community has not already tried literally everything you could think of, and more, to prove the existence of human races.. but failed.. and yet here you are going "Most 1 year old's know the difference".

Yeah, I am sure most 1 year old's know the difference. I am also sure that most 1 year old's are wrong. No matter how much we want human races to exist, no matter how obvious we think they are when we look at someone from Europe next to someone from Africa and Asia, it is just not true. I dont get to decide what reality is, and neither does you.

Take my advice and just let this go. Trying to argue against it is literally pointless in the face of what is literally a mountain of evidence.

[findacure4wokeness]

If their is so called evidence it is most likely biased. Modern science on such things matters little about what is true and more about what is politically correct. Any findings that suggests anything like racial differences in humans results in the complete cancelation of the scientist that presents it. Any claims that support the woke religion is never securitized and is fully funded and support by the world governments. So now you can see why PC science isn't respected much.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness No you simply do not get it. It is universally accepted that human races does not exist and we have tried literally EVERYTHING, with unlimited funding no less, to try to research this. Do you for example seriously think that the actual NAZI GERMANY under the leadership of Hitler himself would have been "politically correct" or cancelled research into human races which they RELIED on to justify their political and worldview of the superiority of the Aryan race? Yes, even the nazis ultimately proved that there was no such thing as human races.

You need to wake the fuck up and listen when I say that this ship has sailed. There is no argument to be had on this topic. The issue has been settled and there is no room to bring it back. This is now established FACT.

[findacure4wokeness]

Many things that were once thought to be true have been proven wrong as you have said. People were once burned at the stake for proving that the earth was round which is history repeating it self wouldn't you say? Genetics is only a resent field of study so of course Hitler was neither able to prove or disprove something like that in the 30s. It was 60-70 years later that the human DNA was first sequenced. Only now in the era of woke are we able to have such augments except we can't because woke science can't be scrutinized. Only when free thinking is valued again can we have such discussions until then all you have is unvetted theories.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness *facepalm* You people are impossible. Look, the whole point of science is to be oppositional. You can't tell a scientist not to do something and expect them to listen, they won't. It is damn near a miracle that ethical laws are mostly upheld in the first place. Why? Because science at its core is about disproving each other.

In science the act of inventing something or discovering something is just half the battle, arguably the easier part, what comes next is the peer review where every scientist in your field gets ready to absolutely tear your precious little project to pieces for every mistake you and your family did 5 generations back.

It is not something you can just impose limits on like to not allow scientific projects in regards to races. Especially when there is a lot of money from racists wanting to prove the existence of said races as well as some racist scientists who has a personal interest in proving the existence of races. They all fail.. Not because the time, effort or resources are not there but because the very concept goes against reality.

You need to understand, every time they fail to prove that race exist they actually prove the opposite. There is probably more proof today about the non-existence of human races than there is for the existence of gravity. You sitting here and trying to argue otherwise is pointless and childish at this point.

[findacure4wokeness]

If flat earthers were still burning people at the stake you wouldn't challenge their beliefs and our text books would reflect this too. That is the whole point. It's a really simple concept. If I opened a discussion on whether or not the holocaust happen I would be deplatformed everywhere. I here of people presenting such evidence and I look for the woke rebuttal but all I hear is people crying for tighter censorship and punishment. If you support a racist cause they shut down your bank account. There is no money to be made in racial realism. Just go to bitchute or youtube and look for deplatforming. Got the point now?

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness First of all, the reason you people keep getting de-platformed is because of capitalism. More specifically, corporations are economically incentivized to remove inflammatory and objectionable content from their platforms, especially if said platforms are used as an advertisement platform since advertisers do not want to be associated with content that is controversial.

In other words, its not a conspiracy against you in particular. You are just so objectionable that you are repulsing corporations and advertisers.

Secondly, this is in regards to very specific platforms such as social media and such things, since that is where the corporations has an incentive to push advertisements to earn revenue. On platforms which does not use this advertisement strategy, such as 4chan or whatever, this does not have to be the case at all. In other words, there is no reason to assume that this would apply in academia.

You have a very strange and incredibly warped view of the world. You are not persecuted, in fact we as a society do not care about you at all. The times you are being targeted is pretty much exclusively when you are interfering with the business model of the platform you are on. Your beliefs and ideas are no more "dangerous" than believing in Santa.

[findacure4wokeness]

There was a professor that proved there was a left wing bias in academia. He published conclusions biased on fake studies that pander to left wingers and nobody fact checked him. But when his work ended up being printed into text books he came clean and told everyone he was lying.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Of course there might be a bias but that does not prevent someone from going contrary to it. You are not punished for not following the mainstream ideas in academia.

[OddBeMe]

@findacure4wokeness wow…. Just fyi, I’ve the Soviet and Yiddish texts of the time and can promise you more than 10 million died from genocide in Eastern Europe because of the Nazi race hatred.

But do me favor, define racial realism for me.

[findacure4wokeness]

I think the Nazis went to war to protect what they loved rather then kill what they hated. But the Nazis lost and the winners write history favoring themselves and vilifying the people that lost.

[OddBeMe]

@findacure4wokeness then you haven’t remotely studied it. German wermacht and SS talk openly about taking the “milk and honey of Ukraine” for themselves, saying Slavs are savages and Einsatzgruppen have piles of evidence and self reporting of killing millions of Jews.

And that’s before the evidence found at Auschwitz.

[findacure4wokeness]

@OddBeMe I've heard both sides of the debate I ask holocaust deniers questions and they give me answers then I ask why do the woke try to vilify and deplatform these people instead of debating them. I think one side knows that truth is on their side and the other knows that the truth will expose their deceit. Censorship will only help liars and deceivers what do you think?

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Nazi Germany very specifically went to war as the aggressor and not because they wanted to protect anything. Putting aside their own rhetoric which is all about defeating and exterminating their enemies, their military decisions makes no sense from a defensive point of view either.

For example. Germany first invaded Poland which they knew would drag the Allies into the war against them. They planned for it in fact. But not only were they okey with going to war with the allies but they also signed a peacedeal with the Soviet Union to agree to the division of Poland between them.. Only to then break the peace treaty themselves to invade the Soviet Union.

Germany had no use for all the land it had gotten. There is no way they would have been able to keep it after the war, simply too much territory to keep occupied at once for a country the size of Germany. They did it because they "could" and because they were warmongers. Rather than look to what Germany might have gained from winning the war, their main motivation to starting WW2 appears to have been the war itself. They wanted the war. They wanted to kill and steal and rape their way through Europe and the Soviet Union. Trying to put a more noble spin on this is like putting lipstick on a pig.

If Germany wanted to just defend themselves then they would not have started WW2. Even if they started WW2 they would have offered a peace treaty after defeating Poland or France. They would have had a lot of leverage to get whatever they wanted without any more fighting. They did not. They explicitly decided to keep fighting to the bitter end.

[findacure4wokeness]

I've heard Germany was forced to pay large amounts reparations to the rest of Europe that kept most Germans Citizens in poverty. Are you referring to the part of Poland the was taken from Germany after WW1? Refusing to pay to countries that you owe nothing too and demanding back what wasn't yours sounds like 2 good reasons for war don't you think? But what you said is what I would expect from someone who believes propaganda from War winning history writers. But If what you and the left said was true they wouldn't need to deplateform the opposition and censor them. I'm more likely to believe the researchers who want to debate.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Germany was in ruins after WW1, yet in a few short years they were once again powerful enough to conquer half of Europe. Do you seriously think Germany was suffering economically at that point? Even with the large reparations demanded by the Allies after WW1 it could easily be repaid by Germany without putting any strain on its economic welfare. It is a non-issue.

Secondly, yes you lose territory when you lose wars. That is normal and its not like Germany has any particularly good rights to that land in the first place. Germany was unified in 1871 and WW1 was started in 1914. Germany had only existed for 40 years as a "whole" nation before the war began.

But lets say for the sake of arguments that this WAS the reason why Nazi Germany went to war. They could easily have gotten all their demands met after conquering France. There was literally no reason to continue aside from pursuing a war of total annihilation. Nazi Germany was not interested in any form of peace.

Lastly, I highly doubt you have ever actually looked up what actual historians have said regarding WW2. Do not pretend that you are interested in the debate, you are not. You are just trying to use the fact that your side lost the debate as evidence for why you are correct in the absence of actual arguments and evidence.

[findacure4wokeness]

The historians who you aren't allowed to question? As I have already said if their claims haven't held up to scrutiny then what ever they say shouldn't be taken as fact. The woke religion is like all other cults, Extremely hostile to whom ever questions it and expects everyone to believe it all on faith alone. You can drink the cool aid if you want to.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Oh, historians are allowed to question. That was never the problem. It is just that people are going to make fun of them if they make foolish conclusions or statements.

But again, they have never actually provided any good arguments or evidence for their side. They simply want to hold on to their beliefs. Do not pretend that this is about the search for truth, it is not. There is nothing intellectually honest about their approach to history nor their conclusions.

[findacure4wokeness]

Ever heard of the Streisand effect? This whole don't listen to them just trust me bro thing isn't going to win out in the end. Just like physics guy said Your personally invested in flooding white countries with people that couldn't build a first world country for themselves. POC need us whites but we don't need them. That's why multiculturism is forced on us and only benefits dependent needy POC. We are like the golden goose you can't afford to let go even if you know it's the right thing to do.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness I am aware. However this is different. If the reason you should not listen to someone is because they are full of shit then having them become amplified because of the Streisand effect is just a mark against peoples intelligence.

As for the whole racist tirade you went into, it was Africa who started this whole civilization nonsense in the first place. Africa and Asia has been the historically most successful regions in human history, most notably Egypt and China. If we want to attribute success to a group of people then they are at the top of the list.

Europe dominance over the world has been a recent and relatively short period of history that is unlikely to remain for nearly as long as you appear to think. As for multiculturalism, it is and will always be the foundation of progress. Europe did not become dominant by being insular mono cultural states.

Europe has been the very definition of a cultural mixing pot. All the cultures in Europe plus, with the advent of globe spanning navies, the import of all the cultures, people and ideas from the rest of the world. All combined and mixing to make Europe what it is today.

Try imagine Britain without Tea, Italy without Tomatoes or chocolate or coffee or whatever. Everything Europe currently has, including innovation, has been imported. They are the multicultural success story long before USA came about.

[findacure4wokeness]

Egypt is a shithole and China emulated the west. I don't think many White nationalist are against trading a coupling of seeds and some cooking recipe's. Western countries are the best places on earth that why people from shitholes do everything they can to get here. We aren't allow to assess the threats they bring to us. We have nothing to gain from this watering down of our cultures.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Pick up a history book sometime. Egypt and China has been powerhouses throughout history while Europe was the "shithole" as you said it.

But there is a fact that you are running from. Multiculturalism enhances innovation and innovation drives progress. If you close out the rest of the world then you will fall behind. This is just a fact.

[findacure4wokeness]

Japan has rejected Multiculturalism and so has China for the most part and look at innovation coming out of those places. The west had started going backward when it accepted massive amounts of migration. You need us to think we need POC because you need whites to provide for you.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Ahahaha! Sure buddy. China, with its rampant theft of intellectual property rather than homegrown research is truly demonstrating the power of a monocultural society. Also stop me if you heard these names before:
Toyota: 1937
Mitsubishi: 1870
Honda: 1946
Sony: 1946
Nissan: 1933
Panasonic: 1918

and

Walmart: 1962
Amazon: 1994
Apple: 1976
Google: 1998
Microsoft: 1975
Costco: 1983
META: 2004

Those are Japanese companies compared to American companies based on when they were founded. Japanese companies are generally old. Do you know why? Because there are no new competitors to rise up and replace them. They are in essence the entirety of their industry. If they fail, the whole Japanese industry fail. If they slow down, the whole Japanese industry slows down. That is not sustainable. Someday they will make a mistake and that will cost Japan dearly.

USA on the other hand? You give the slightest opening and there will be new start-ups growing there like weeds. If any of these companies gives the competition a foot then they will take a mile. Through the pressure of capitalism USA will always have a faster growing industry than Japan.

It is just a fact. Multiculturalism always wins.

[findacure4wokeness]

Thank god migrants are flooding in to save us giving up their perfect 3rd world lives even though we don't apricate them. that's true altruism on their part right?

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness You are trying to be clever but you have no idea how useful migrants are for a national economy. In fact, Japan which you used as an example yourself is regularly bemoaning the fact that they dont accept migrants because it would solve so many national problems they are suffering from.

[findacure4wokeness]

But that's the BS your pushing right? Our culture and blood lines, our Countries that our ancestors broke their backs building for us, fought and died to give us means nothing to you because your needs are the only things that matter. You think we are expendable and our welfare and freedom to choice comes second to what you want. I think your a selfish needy lying pieces of shit. We shouldn't have to prove why we don't need you. Your people need us to look after them so you should be the ones begging us to take you in instead you rudely demand it with a sense of entitlement which means you deserve it the least. Nobody even POC owes immigrants an explanation why they didn't let them into their countries.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness *rolls eyes* Oh spare me your ignorance and misplaced patriotism. First of all, I am Swedish. From my point of view your country, USA, has been a toxic and horrible influence over my country and the rest of the world for as long as I have been alive. Let me make this PERFECTLY clear, I will not stop you from burning your own country down to the ground. In fact, be my guest. Your passing will not be mourned.

But my personal feelings on the matter is quite frankly besides the point. I do not care to argue for my point of view on this, mainly because I dont even need to. Even if I am advocating for the best possible future for USA, your own stubbornness and ignorance on the subject will, as it always does with you Americans, force you down the most self destructive path available. Even when I show you the objectively best path forward you will spit in my face and jump straight down to hell with a shit eating grin, thinking you somehow got one over on me.

It is FASCINATING watching you people struggle to grasp even simple concepts such as how multiculturalism is objectively good for a country, especially since it fucking built your whole nation up from being a colony on the arse end of nowhere that nobody cared about.

Following my advice would objectively make your country stronger, richer and provide a better life for all its citizens. Following YOUR advice, down the Nationalism cesspool on the other hand is a surefire way to destroy your own country. But go ahead, follow the Streisand effect and pick option B. I am sure it will own the libs.

[findacure4wokeness]

I'm not even American. You have a lot of contempt for everything white. Are you a colored person or from a mixed family who is motivated by your own self interests or a white indoctrinated into hating your own kind? A white monoculture was a winning formular but now we are told we must adopt a new system that can never be criticize and doesn't work. So who benefits from such a change? The only people who's prosperity is threatened are the people who benefited from the original successful system which in this case white people. I'm watching it play out with diversity hires exclusively only hire there own kind to racial hate crimes committed by gangs of new commers on white people the list goes on and on. The Sudanese immigrants are raping, killing and stealing all across white countries. Don't believe me? Go live in Sudan and risk your own life there instead of bringing them to white countries to victimize people that never wanted them there first place. Go lie down in that bed. It's very simple concept really. If you talk the talk then go walk the walk, If you telling us 3rd worlders are harmless then prove it by going to live with them. let Darwinism decide who is right and who is wrong that way the stupid will be purged and the insightful will prosper. Wouldn't you agreed? or are you afraid to bet your own life on it because you truly don't believe what your saying? I think so that's why I think your deceitful.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness You can't fault me for making that assumption since your account literally says you are from USA.

And no. I do not have contempt for anything white. I am concerned first and foremost with things that works and things that are true. If for example criminals in jail are less likely to escape if you give them an X-box then I want them to have an X-box even if I hate them. My feelings in the matter does not effect my judgement that it is objectively better for them to not escape compared to if they do.

Similarly, multiculturalism is the best. Hands down, no contest. Going for a monoculture is tantamount to a social suicide, and I do not know about you but I like my country to succeed.

Also no, if you are talking about Europe then we have never really been a monoculture. Europe has always been a mixing culture between all the Europeans as well as constant exposure to the middle east and Africa. This got even "worse" when we started traveling the world and brought all those ideas and people back home as well. It is not I who wants to try a new system, it is you.

A monoculture would be like Japan from 1603 to 1868 but even then they kept open trade and diplomatic connections with for example the Dutch. Needless to say but Japan did not turn into a utopian futuristic superpower by the end of that period.

What you are watching "play out" is mostly just propaganda AKA not true with a bit of government incompetence sprinkled in. Even if you have a successful policy, if the government fucks things up you still won't have good results. Guess what? The government fucking sucks.

[findacure4wokeness]

Yep just as i thought, People like want to import the third world but never want to move there. Our national identity and culture is viewed as something ashamed of while everyone else's is celebrated. They topple statues of white cultural importance and teach our white children in schools to hate themselves. I've heard them talk about how our countries now belong to them. I doubt you are a natively swede.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness If it makes any difference I do not want to move to any first world countries either, especially USA. Besides, I dont even understand your argument here. First world countries are more multicultural than 3rd world countries are. By your own argument they should be better countries to live in and you should challenge me to move to a multicultural country.

Nothing you believe in makes any god damn sense.

[findacure4wokeness]

I think you are trying to miss the point. The 3rd world flocks to the first world because they can't produce a decent living standard for themselves. But if you import the 3rd world you get the third world and all it's problems and failures. Those Asians are smart and 3rd word immigration will lower the average IQ and hence their prosperity. It's very very simple really. Those 3rd worlders can't compete with us in modern societies so the government need to lower the bar and discriminate against white people so they can become doctors and lawyers god help us when we get sick now. They are savage under achievers that you are trying to tell me we need so much. Go live in those countries with them and risk your life instead of ours. Go walk the walk. What doesn't make sense is You say you love your country so much but you want it to change into something else. Go live in the country that your trying to change your into. I think you are very disingenuous. Who deleted physics guy's comments by the way? Censorship is a weak move. You aren't interested in truth,

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness That is some nice baseless assumptions you got there. "Importing the 3rd world" does not import its problems. Human races scientifically does not exist so saying "Asians are smart" or whatever is retarded in and of itself. IQ is not a good measurement of intelligence. Is there something else you are fundamentally wrong about that I can't remember on the top of my head?

As for that physics guy? No idea. Might have gotten banned? I know the mods has been going after me lately so he is probably not far behind.

It also makes perfect sense for me to say I like my country but also that I want to improve it. Improvement is natural and necessary if you want to maintain your advantage in the world. No country ever got ahead by staying the same, that is not how progress works.

[findacure4wokeness]

Lets just leave unvetted woke theories out of this. when we talk about average IQ's of a particular race like Asians. Stating that they have high comparable average IQ's is not retarded because can we look at their lack of dependency on other groups and innovative achievements as a race. Blacks and Arabs haven't won very many Nobel prizes, equally contributed much to humanity or manufactured anything for them selves and their lower average IQs in respect to other races reflect this. Another way we can look at this is for instance MIT only accepts Gifted students which is why people who go there are incredibly talented in their respective fields when they complete their studies, If MIT Diversified their students with people who have learning difficulties of varying degrees they would have would generally have less talented graduates on average. Retarded compared to what? In order to use that word you would need an alternative system of measurement for intelligence that is superior to IQ to begin with. you have a habit of using terms that you aren't are unwilling to try to define , Another example is advocating for Diversity while claiming that racial and ethnic groups don't even exist, So many oxymorons is why I'm not very impressed with your arguments.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Dude, literally. IQ is not a good measurement of intelligence. That is a scientifically recognized fact. Secondly, races do not exist. Another scientifically recognized fact. You can't expect me to have an argument using proofs that do not fundamentally exist. Like honestly, what the fuck are you talking about?

Also no, we do not need to have an alternative system to measure intelligence (even though those exist), mostly because we currently do not even understand what intelligence is in the first place. A major reason for research in AI technologies itself is because its the first real chance we have had to explore what human intelligence truly is by building models of both it and other models for comparison.

We are literally decades if not centuries from even having a basic understanding of this topic, if such a understanding is even realistic to achieve in the first place. The complexity of human intelligence might just be too complicated and subjective that we can't even agree on what makes a human smart in the first place.

And no, there does not need to be other races for diversity to both exist and provide useful benefits to society. What I want from immigration is not people with higher IQ or whatever than me. I want people with different life experiences and cultures. Different foods, different ideas, different ways to view the world and different ways to solve problems.

If you have 50 people who are identical clones and ask them to solve a problem then they will work as fast as 1 person. If you have 50 people that are broadly same but different then they might work at a speed of 50 people. If you have 50 people each with unique approaches and unique ideas then they will come up with solutions much faster, in orders of magnitudes. The more different, the faster you get results. It is simple really.

[findacure4wokeness]

About 1 year ago I met a Sudanese man with a GPS ankle bracelet at a train station. He didn't say what he went to jail for but mostly sex offenders get tracked like that and he weirdly asked me about how to pick up white girls. His whole family immigrated to Australia and went straight onto welfare because none of them could read or write and he told me he lost his public house which took him 18 months to get where as for a fact I know it usually takes 10 + years for everyone else. If we were to get 50 of them to help an engineer he would spend the rest of his life fixing there mistakes. I had a job once fixing these types of very expensive types of mistakes that sent a large company into bankruptcy. You have no idea how things like this happens in the real world.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Sounds like you meet the average American then. 20% of Americans have level 1 literacy or below. USA has the biggest prison population in the world and quite frankly there is much to comment on in regards to your poor and rural fokes.

Anyway, digression over. That is all anecdotal nonsense. The correlation between immigration and innovation has been established long ago. Just to pick the first results from google:
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../...7-9396.2007.00714.x

You are trying to construct bad arguments to contradict established facts. Its not going to go well for you I am afraid.

[findacure4wokeness]

Google deplatforms anyone that doesn't support the woke agenda so it isn't credible with a political bias like that. Try googling something like "how to help White people" and all you see is " How to be a better white Alli" and all left wing results. I don't think your White so you have an invested interest in flooding our countries with your kind. What ever suits your agenda is what you treat as truth. Americans put people on the moon before Negros were able to build a 2 storey house. Your dismissiveness of anything that doesn't support your agenda is obvious. go back to your google echo chamber.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Does not change the fact that a consensus exists. You know what? Do you want me to use duckduckgo to search instead? The results won't really change you know. Innovation is tied to immigration. Its a bitter pill for you to follow but I dont care too much about your feelings.

[findacure4wokeness]

I know the results won't change because internet censorship exists, People are starting to notice the double standards and people will also notice yours as well in the end.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Duckduckgo is specifically to avoid censorship and all that.

[findacure4wokeness]

No they claim they won't track you or collect data not that they won't censor you. Duck duck go "how to help white people"

[goaded]

@findacure4wokeness Just for fun, I tried that. I get more or less the same results in Google and DuckDuckGo, generally anti-racist links (with the possible exception of "How can I help white people without being called a Nazi?" from Google www.quora.com/How-can-I-help-white-people-without-being-called-a-Nazi )

If you get different results, perhaps it's because you have trained Google to give you the kind of links you like?

[Soteris]

@goaded Yepp, that is basically how that works. People like him more or less overestimates how much control Google actually has over their search algorithms. At this point those search algorithms are a monster which is too large to easily tame and show the results that Google wants. Not saying they do not have any control, but it is certainly more limited than people believe.

[Soteris]

@findacure4wokeness Yes, duckduckgo does frame itself as a platform for free speech. The only exception that I know of is them trying to deal with spam content. Where websites tries to subvert the search algorithms of services like google and duckduckgo to give themselves preferential treatment in the search results as well as duckduckgo trying to combat government propaganda for similar reasons.

Basically they just push down results that makes the search results objectively less useful.

[findacure4wokeness]

@goaded How many woke censorship swaps outs or pages of them did you come across before you got that result? 10 years ago google brought up right wing search results accurately. It's hard to find right wing sites without finding a link or reference in an article and most articles won't tell you the url for a reason. the articles that do come from sites that organizations like the ADL are successfully shutting down.

[goaded]

@findacure4wokeness It was the first match on the first page, as it happens. But what you're talking about isn't right-wing, as such, it's racism. Not everybody on the right is racist, but pretty much all racists are on the right.

[findacure4wokeness]

@goaded How is the question "how to help the white man?" racist? this is biased because you wouldn't think the question "how to help the black man?" is racist. Just like Diversity and inclusion means less white people, If it didn't everyone would be complaining that the NBA is too black and needs more diversity.

[goaded]

@findacure4wokeness It's interesting you think that way, not to mention how you see "How can I help white people without being called a Nazi?" but think it says "how to help the white man?".

If it was a question about white people in African countries, it might make sense, but since it's not, it's the kind of thinking that led to the massacre in Tulsa and insurrection in Wilmington against black people who managed to be more successful financially or politically than their white neighbours in America.

Why would you want to only help white people? What's so special about them?

[findacure4wokeness]

@goaded Wasn't those events were over 100 years ago, I often talk to people in the street and most white people have seen in person 4 or 10 blacks at a time single out a white person and attack them like a pack of hyenas I've seen it many times myself and they are doing it to the Europeans in Europe right now, many stabbings everyday. there are a minority of good black people but I've never heard black people admit that that a disproportional amount compared to anyone else act like Animals then blame everyone else for not wanting to live with them. I don't know if black people can be saved. My son used to run away from half a dozen Blacks at school trying to beat him up. If you were white would you choose a life were you and your loved ones had to deal with that shit?

[goaded]

@findacure4wokeness The USA has more knife murders per capita than the UK. All the 75% of murders with firearms are on top of that.

I'd choose a life where nobody had to fear being beaten up or shot for any reason. Why would I want that just for my family?

[Anonymous]

If we take the term "Race" to apply to the color of ones skin.
Then the question is the desire to abolish all such "Races" racist?

Because ultimately if you don't support borders between them that is exactly what will happen, and humanity will lose one of its biological assets. I think that is the most racist desire possible.

Such ethic/biological diversity is either a desirable strength to be preserve with borders or its an undesirable weakness to be abolished without them.

Make up you're mind. I for one thing the world should be big enough for us to go both ways. I would hate to see us lose soo much of our hard earned diversity because some racist people can't stand the idea of having other races exist.

[goaded]

What "hard earned" diversity? For thousands of years people hardly moved from where they were born, that's all.

Having a gene pool of seven billion individuals rather than thousands reduces the risks associated with inbreeding. There's no advantage in keeping people artificially separated, although I suspect that's something you'd advocate for.

[OddBeMe]

I would argue the human race must interbreed or it will incestually die out.

[_piotr]

@monorprise Good point.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded
While there can be great advantage to pooling the best features of all mankind, the reality is this 'advantage' is only for the time in which the pooling happened. As it is by the standards and culture of that day alone which nature judges advantageous for forsaking all other adaptations, as we lose them for all time all together.

This is why in nature populations that don't spread out geographically and become separated eventually die out when said conditions naturally change because they dispite their numbers really only had one player in the race.
Again I assume you know evolution is a communal process not individual. It only takes place in between largely isolated breeding communities that are able to diverge from eachother

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme Interbreed leads to incestually not the other way around.

The human race must retain mostly distinct breeding groups or it will become a single gene pool and die out.
Therefore there is significant advantage to at least parts ideally most of the world retaining ethically and biologically homogeneous populations. That the trade between them should be relatively small as to allow each section enough time to develop distinct traits that might be useful.

[goaded]

That's total rubbish.

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise Interbreed: combine quality of two into offspring through reproduction. DNA doesn’t need to stay within groups it needs to expand beyond them. You’re as bad as Pakistani aholes who are obsessed with marrying cousins.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme I think you need to go study how evolution and Speciation works. Understand that we humans tend to not only share ideas but interbred. If we wish to maintain our differences we have to manta said prezygotic barriers in our civic and cultural rules. Otherwise they will breakdown completely.

[goaded]

"If we wish to maintain our differences..." Why would we want to do that?

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise…lol…no. Speciation is different species that can’t breed. Do you think skin color or ancestry means different “species”?

Humans are one species. And we can either mate with those around us with our same traits, or interbreed and create humans with traits beyond your tribe.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme I am not referring to the extreme of becoming difference Species but rather the path way towards that point which is exactly the same.

[goaded]

@monorprise That's exactly the opposite of how speciation works; it requires many, many generations of non-interbreeding populations.

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise And you’re fucking psuedo science crazy. All humans are solidly in one species. There are no paths or even branches.

DNA analysis is simply suggesting ancestry and geography of their line. Which would suggest skin color or “race” (which isn’t a thing. Just societal compartmentalization).

[_piotr]

Race is a real thing. It is how humans under specific geographic location adjusted to conditions. Skin colour is just one aspect of race.

[OddBeMe]

@_piotr as I discussed. “Race” is a societal compartmentalization. Not a science one.

Species is a clear scientific definition in the animal kingdom who cannot interbreed. Race has no scientific differences. Even skin color can’t be measured with accuracy.

[_piotr]

Species is different term.
Because you __think__ "Race” is a societal compartmentalization" that has not mean it is real.
I can say cars do not exist and are “societal compartmentalization".

Race is a product of evolution occurring to groups of people under different conditions in different geographical regions. Period.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded Not sure what you think Im saying. But I said i am referring to the process of Speciation mid way thou that point you see sub-species level differences like skin color that we here are associating with "Race".
The process to remain and get there however is the same.

@oddbeme
Your the one who doesn't understand whats actually happening at the biological level leading to different species and before that the more minor differences we call "Race".

It is the same thing at the biological level and process, the Species gap is simply the point of no return.

[goaded]

@monorprise You never did answer why you think "we wish to maintain our differences..."?

[_piotr]

@goaded We wish to maintain our differences because diversity is good and beautiful. I do not want uniform tasteless world with one mixed race, culture and religion. It seems totalitarian.

[goaded]

@_piotr Who's "we" in that sentence? And LOL at you saying "one mixed race, culture and religion... seems totalitarian.", when you want a "pure" nation on racial lines.

[OddBeMe]

@_piotr How is race measured? Whats the scientific metrics?

[OddBeMe]

I love how racists love diversity when they talk about “interbreeding”.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded @_piotr makes a Good point, although I would add that diversity is not only Good and beautiful it is necessary for the viability of humanity.

We cannot all go down a single path as one or we will all invariably decline and perish as one. We must be divided by diversity so that we both have a chance to walk the right path but know the right path by comparison.

Its very difficult to know the cause of your troubles if everyone else has the same troubles having made the same choices.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded Perhaps you and @oddbeme should review the question. Which stipulates calling skin color which is a genetic attribute "race" , and "we" in contents refers to those who see value in retaining this distinctiveness.

This is very much an anti-racist position as it exist out of a desire to preserve what we call race.

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise This is the most honest reply so far. It’s 180 degrees opposite of me. But that’s what opinion is.

That’s what gets me so pissed about racist and homophobic shitheads. They always come from “protect the children” which is BS instead of “I find it gross, so I’m against it.” THATS A REASONABLE ARGUMENT. lol…

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme I suspect your not fully listening to them either to understand what they are really saying.

[OddBeMe]

Sorry what?

[FreyaRed]

A nation can be multi ethnic. Liking a multi ethnic nation like US can't be racism even if someone is white, what is in minds of left turning demagogues reason enough to claim the person is racist.

[OddBeMe]

Sorry and your comment on white nationalists?

[monorprise]

@freyared
Nations can only temporarily be multi-ethic, inevitably they will either split up or merge into a single ethicist without some kind of borders to prevent cross breeding and cultural exchange.

The idea if multi-ethic is nearly as ridiculous as multi-cultural simply because they invariably destroy each-other intentional or otherwise if not divided by borders.

[FreyaRed]

@monorprise yeah, multiculti only works in times of prosperity, once there aren't enough resources for all, competition and polarization starts to divide different ethnics. That's why ethnically homogenous nations have a stability advantage and in all socio-economical simulation ethnocentrism is most effective in matter of survival. However thinking that way is highly racists because we are all equals, unless you meet with other pigs annually in Davos then you belong to better animal on the farm.

[monorprise]

@freyared
Although that can and will happen at some point, Actually the birds and the bees is the far more common method

[OddBeMe]

@freyared They do? Mid east, Africa, Asia ain’t doin so good, idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anyone who targets specific ethnics is racist, just like you who only targets white people instead of saying that all forms of nationalism are racist

[OddBeMe]

I won’t disagree. But it’s because whites are rarely targeted.

[monorprise]

@OddBeMe
Since when are whites rarely targeted? Whites are targeted soo commonly, it even happened as part of official collage admissions policy.

[findacure4wokeness]

@OddBeMe Diversity Quoters is just straight out white discrimination, White children are taught that they are evil and even our statues are getting toppled. Africa is for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White countries are for everyone.

[OddBeMe]

@findacure4wokeness your family uses the n word in private, don’t they?

[Sevenpointfive]

i wanna be so wrong about this but i'm going to need a geneticist to prove me wrong. and they will have to have credentials. because i just recently had a discussion with a coworker about this. i was taught that black people have dominant genes. but it seems that's not the case.

but let's get on point. white nationalists are racists. i'm not saying that's good or bad.

[OddBeMe]

What are dominant about their genes? If a black person and white person have a kid, we get Halle berry or zendaya. you're just seeing them as “not white” thus the black gene must be “stronger”

[Sevenpointfive]

that's what i'm having an issue with. white traits dominate. but i've been taught by science that brown eyes and black hair are dominant

[DryGermanGuy]

Strictly speaking it doesn't have to be, but mostly nationalism and racism go hand in hand. We have a number of old-school fraternities here, that - on paper - are only drumming the nationalist part. But in the few cases that non-white students wanted to take part, they have been treated badly by the majority. So, there it goes.

[exitseven]

Democrats have come up with a new derogatory term to describe anyone who opposed them. They get the fake news to repeat it 24/7 and after a while their low info voters will believe it.
I think a more accurate term would be populist. Somebody who puts America First and is for the Constitution and Law and Order.

[Gospeedracer]

Maybe but forcing diversity on countries that did much better without it is only going to promote racail hatred. What benfits do white people get from diversity? Why is it so hard for other races to leave white people alone? I think the answer is obvious but I only ask because the left can never convincingly explain it without destroying their own world view.

[laly520]

yes, being a white nationalist is considered racist

white nationalism is a political ideology that promotes the idea that white people should maintain dominance over other racial or ethnic groups

[OddBeMe]

I agree, tho WN’s would argue it’s more about separation than domination. But that’d be stupid. Weird always “separate” and dominant with few resources going to people of color.

[findacure4wokeness]

@lady520 No white nationalists want their nations to remain white. I've never heard white nationalists talk about wanting to rule over other races they just don't want them in their own countries. They do want to rule their own countries of course.

[laly520]

@findacure4wokeness do some digging n u will find out more why I said what I said

[OddBeMe]

Agreed. This was the reason for this Q.

[findacure4wokeness]

@laly520 Oh yes I see now, You have no clue about what your talking about.

[sawno]

If we take the proper definition which would mean you want a nation with only white people then yes thats racist. After all you are discriminating who gets to be in that nation based on race.

[OddBeMe]

Do you take it another way?
Pun.

[msc545]

Yes of course it's racist. That is the whole point as I understand the philosophy...

[OddBeMe]

Well…like most racists they don’t think they’re racists. They told me it’s about separation than supremacy.

[msc545]

Racist always make up crap like that in order to conceal their true beliefs or justify them in this case.

[Anonymous]

Do lefties ever stop talking about race? Ever? You guys wake up in the morning and say " Time to find some racism." " Ah hah! Look, there's racism over there!" "Hey Bob come here, I found some racism too!" You guys must keep a picture of a burning cross on the ceiling of your bedroom just in case you forget to look for racism when you get up.

[OddBeMe]

We talk about it because right wingers ignore it. And thus segregation is now worse than it ever has been.

[normalice]

Usually. I think there is a certian way to be a white nationalists that isn't racist but I don't see it anywhere. You have to be one of the racist kinds to get any traction, which says enough.

[electromagnetic]

What is a white nationalist?
like someone who only things things and people and stuff related to white folks?

[OddBeMe]

Good q. The ones I’ve spoken to it’s more “race separation”. They would argue it’s not about dominance or supremacy, but I think it is.

[Still-alive]

they're more traditionally called 'nazi's'

[gorydetails]

Have you fucktards ever tried shutting the fuck up about race?

[OddBeMe]

We would but you fucktards keep ignoring non-white problems.

[gorydetails]

Yay, the white savior is here!

[findacure4wokeness]

@OddBeMe How about non-whites solve their own problems instead of coming to white countries with their problems.

[_piotr]

@findacure4wokeness 👍

[OddBeMe]

@findacure4wokeness see they would if whites would stop fucking them over. We literally shove PoC into ghettos today. Ghettos with unfunded schools and no grocery stores.

I won’t disagree, blacks have a lot of answer for in crime. But we stoke it by keeping opportunities to ourselves.

[gorydetails]

@OddBeMe we shove? Like how? We pick them up and physically move them? How does that work exactly? Chicago has a black democrat mayor... is he the one shoving minorities into ghettos?

Asians are people of color. How come they aren't in ghettos? My town has a bunch of Indians (dot not feather). They're not in ghettos. They're in the wealthiest neighborhoods. How'd that happen?

[OddBeMe]

Im done explaining economics 101 to you. You don’t think fraud is real.

[gorydetails]

Yeah, I get it. Facts are inconvenient to your propaganda.

[findacure4wokeness]

@OddBeMe Isn't it illegal to stop black people from walking out of shops with stuff they didn't pay for? that's why nobody wants to run a grocery or any other type of store in a black area and also why Whites believe that blacks are a burden on us. Stop blaming the white man instead of yourselves.

[_piotr]

Nope. Only for woke people.

[OddBeMe]

Woke people are racist in your eyes, or woke people should be kept separated from you?

Probably both I imagine

[_piotr]

Both.

[findacure4wokeness]

Yes both the woke should be forced to lie down in the bed they created.