Do you agree that if most undocumented migrants were white (Ukrainians, etc) and refugees seeking aslyum legally at the border people wouldn't whine?

[Ryan210000]

Let's be real. In all of U. S. history since like the 1950's people mostly complained about non white immigrants coming in droves regardless if they came legally or not. Before it was white immigrants and non white immigrants but people accepted white immigrants they had beef with before (Eastern Europeans, etc.). The beef with non white immigrants always existed and continued all the way till now. There have always been cases from the 1950s till now of people doing mental gymastics for white immigrants and being accepting of them.

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Lets be real, people cry about how the migrants at the borders always. If they were in droves since the 1950s from Ukraine and crossing illegally or seeking aslyum at the border in droves since the 1950s people wouldn't be whining.

[WhiteSteve]

They’d whine, but they’d whine less. For every concern they may legitimately have about legal process or societal impacts, they probably have 20 that they can’t say out loud because it’s based on bigotry towards them because of race or culture. Make no mistake, if everyone starts coming in legally, they’ll soon have a problem with that too, as soon as they find a pseudo-practical reason to camouflage it.

I think there’s a loose hierarchy of “cultures white Americans will accept in their presence.” Arabs, Latinos, Afro-Caribbeans, and Africans seem to be at the bottom. People are funny about Asians but seem to not feel threatened by them, and they accept them if they fit the “quiet and studious” stereotype. A Slavic culture like Ukrainians…. they pass the visual test. But you know someone out there would be like “wHeN yOu’Re iN aMeRiCa SpEaK American, gOd dAmMiT!!!”🤦‍♂️

Even worse than racism, Americans have a “culturism” problem.

[tremendousfern]

Do you agree that if Japanese people started immigrating to Mexico and settled there by the many tens of millions both legally and illegally that Mexicans would start becoming upset about their culture and ethnic identity changing?

How come you're incapable of applying the same logic to white countries? Is it because it's "wacist"? And so what if it is? "Oh no! Europeans want to maintain their racial and ethnic identities in the countries they built just like any other ethnicity! HOW SCARY AND HORRIBLE!"

Grow up.

[Avicenna]

Doctrinaire leftists don't think...

[Siri137]

Exactly. The guy is a troll.

[Seinna]

I think people mostly whine because of the ILLEGAL immigration.

But to answer your question, I think likely they'd prefer white immigrants because most of America is white... and if you were talking about an Asian country then they'd whine less if the immigrants were Asian as opposed to white. People just like to live among other people of similar culture because multiculturalism brings disorder and violence. And some races/ethnicities are more likely than others to bring disorder and crime. If you disagree then ask yourself the question - would people whine less if the immigrants were Asians? It's popular to hate white people these days so using them as an example can muddle the debate but it's not a race but a culture problem.

[Siri137]

"Let's be real...", and then you proceed not to be.

[OlderAndWiser]

I agree that if refugees were seeking asylum LEGALLY at the border, people wouldn't complain.

[Ryan210000]

And many refugees always did that but since most aren't white people complain.

[handsomelad70]

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT !!!

[Ryan210000]

You just want ehite refugees

[Ryan210000]

@handsomelad70 you are just racist like him cause many minority immigrants are seeking aslyum legally yet people complain.

[OlderAndWiser]

People have the right to complain, right? I'm tired of hearing about reparations but I would never suggest that people be told to STFU about it or suffer consequences. Hearing comments you don't like is part of the price you pay for living in a free country.

[handsomelad70]

Totally agree, and I'm free to call BS when I hear or see BS.

[Soteris]

Nope. Brexit was partially motivated by anti-immigration sentiments. However, unlike many other nations it was not about 3rd world countries or other races but rather other Europeans immigrating to Britain that made them upset.

There were also the whole anti Irish and Italian sentiments in USA as an example too. Basically, if people can't find a group of people to hate, they will make up a new group. It is part of human nature at this point.

[Ryan210000]

You didn't read the details how I said from 1950s onward most people in America only complained about minority immigrants regardless where they came from and made excuses for white immigrants, regardless if they are illegal or not. Before they bitched about white immigrants but most people stopped the bitching around the 1950s. Since the 1950s people hardly complained about white immigrants. Before they did.

[Soteris]

I did read it, I just disagree in how you think USA has moved past that stage. I do not believe it has. For example, Hispanics are often included in "white" and are regularly discriminated against in USA.

[Daniela1982]

@Ryan210000 They didn't complain because they immigrated legally. But when illegal immigrants are getting more than our own homeless, vets, and elderly, you better bet your sweet bippy that we are going to complain. Why aren't you? Better yet, why don't you sponsor some immigrants so they don't have to be illegal? Is it fair to legal immigrants that have to wait for years to immigrate to the US, and on top of that they need to have a sponsor to guarantee they will have a job and a place to live. They don't get any free shit like the illegals are getting - free cell phone, fee medical, free room and board, and a debit card with $10,000 on it for their expenses - drugs and booze are not cheap you know. Meanwhile a lot of our citizens are living on the streets, or are losing their homes and jobs. What are they getting for help? JACK SHIT is what they are getting. Does that make you proud to be an American? Or are you one of these flake illegal immigrants too? 🤔🙄🙄😫

[Soteris]

@Daniela1982 If illegal migrants get better treatment than your veterans, elderly and homeless then the problem is not that the illegal migrants are getting a good service but that you are shitting on the veterans, elderly and homeless. Also, is it not retarded that you have to wait YEARS to legally immigrate? Why? Its just some paperwork, its not complicated. That is just artificial bullshit intended to make humans suffer.

You are angry at the wrong people here.

[Daniela1982]

@Soteris No, we are mad at Bite-on-it for creating this fiasco. They got $Billions for Ukraine, The largest military budget than any other country, and $Billions for illegal immigrants. But they offer nothing to the homeless, fixing inflation, shoring up Social Security, or maintaining our country's infrastructure. We have people who can't afford to buy a house because of high interest rates, or buy one period in some places in the US. Where I live a 3 BR 1 3/4 bath 1500 sq ft, sells for close to $1million. It's ridiculous. I've seen as many as 5 Vietnamese families living in one house to be able to afford to buy one. Rent is also outrageous - $3,000 for a 2 BR apartment. That's more than most people make in a month. 😯😯😯😕😕🤢

[Ryan210000]

@Daniela1982 before they were mostly legal and they still bitched about white immigrants. 1950s forward they mostly complain about minority immigrants regardless if they are legal or not. You know from the 1950s forward they mostly didn't want non white immigrants to come illegally and if white immigrants did it, they eouldnt blink an eye. You know I am right.

[AngryCarl]

@Soteris No offence dude but you know nothing about Brexit. Please don't embarrass yourself. Yes, people were agitated by people coming over from France (which Brexit did nothing to prevent) but none of those were French people.

[Soteris]

@Daniela1982 Omg.. Let me just go grab a drink while I formulate the rest of this, I need the alcohol.

Look, USA is a super power. A super power is not defined by its size, wealth or its power, a super power is defined by its influence on the rest of the world. The size, wealth and power generally follows after the influence as a product of how much control you already have over the world.

In other words, USAs position as a world power comes from your diplomatic connections with other countries, your bases around the world, your cultural dominance like McDonalds etc.. But most importantly, USA is a super power built upon military power. That is the real reason why your country has the biggest military budget. That is the real reason why you made NATO, a military alliance. That is the real reason why you have troops in the middle east and sending equipment to Ukraine.

Not sending billions of dollars to Ukraine is the same as giving up your position as a super power. I mean, I am fine with that personally. I am not American and I find America to be a bad influence on my country so if you want to collapse and remove yourself from my life forever that would be nice. BUT, if you actually care about USA then it is in your damn best interest to remain the "world police".

Saving billions by not giving them to Ukraine means you are losing much more by losing influence around the world. It does not make economic sense not to support Ukraine.

Also, and perhaps more importantly, you are USA. The richest and most powerful country on the earth. You do not have to pick and choose what you should spend money on as if there is a need to budget. You can do both. You can do ALL. That is a perk that comes from being the super power of the world and anyone that tells you differently is LYING to you.

[Soteris]

@AngryCarl Oh please! I have not been able to talk about Brexit in so long! Its one of my favorite subjects in fact! You have NO idea how closely I have been following that shit show. Ah, such memories. The busses with lies on them. The floating hellholes with painted windows supposing to house people but becoming closer to plague barges. The BRILLIANT idea to house medicine in the Netherlands and get ferries to transport them over but forgetting to actually hire a guy that actually had boats. The government contracts that was just about funneling money into the pockets of Tory members and their friends. The Truck drivers having to poop on the side of the road because nothing was done to prepare the UK for having higher traffic at the ports to the point where there was not even toilet facilities. The realization that truckers could not bring their sandwiches with them across the border because of EU regulation against things like sausages. The fact that the UK has not had the infrastructure of the personnel to check any of the goods coming into the country which means you can smuggle ANYTHING into it since the EU does not care to investigate what leaves their area, only what enters it and the one time the government made a test to see how bad it was they found that like 95% of the trucks they searched was filled with things like rotting food on its way to be sold in the UK markets.

Oh I know it all. I can talk for days about this, fucking try me.

[Daniela1982]

@Soteris, but you are forgetting one thing... we also have the largest National Debt than any country in the world. We are $35 Trillion in debt, which is Out-of-control spending in Washington and is burdening each American with large and growing levels of public debt. A child born in 2023 will have a $78,089 share of publicly held federal debt. This debt is not sustainable. You remember when the USSR went broke with their spending, which ended the Cold War? That could happen to us. In fact they have to keep raising the Debt Ceiling to keep the Government running. So, the US might be on top now, but could be toppled from the top at any time.

[AngryCarl]

@Soteris I retract my earlier statement, you have indeed been following the subject and you deserve extra credit. My hat is off to you, sir! (although you're still wrong about immigration).

[Soteris]

@Daniela1982 Sure, USA has an insane national debt.. But lets be honest, when has that EVER stopped you? What effect on your country has it actually had? Nothing right? A national debt is not like a personal debt, in that it honestly does not matter THAT much. In fact, most countries PREFER to stay in debt such as when Russia (with its massive stockpiles of wealth) took out debts intentionally just to make sure they build their credit rating in case they wanted to borrow money in the future (this happened long before the current war).

In other words, do not delude yourself in thinking you understand national debt just because you understand what debt means in your own life. A national debt is perfectly fine, even to an extreme case, as long as you can retain trust in your nation. As long as you have that trust you can always get more money and more loans and as a super power you have virtually infinite trust since the world economy is built upon your trust more or less.

And no, the Soviet Union did not collapse based on debt. The Soviet Union was broken as a nation in several places ranging from its economy to social problems and political problems which all together just culminated into a failed state. This is not in any way shape or form relevant to USA currently. The situation in USA is indeed bad, but specifically not in this way.

[Soteris]

@AngryCarl While it is true that the UK also do not like asylum seekers and immigrants from places like the middle east, that was more of a side thing for anti-immigration in the UK. They were in a unique situation of having a lot of anti-EU sentiments and a lot of brexit arguments for example was to stop the free movement of people AKA EU citizens from crossing the UK border. People like for example Polish or whatever.

As a fun aside, they did not like to be called immigrants themselves so British people liked to use a different word to describe what they were doing when buying houses in Spain or whatever and called themselves expat, which is arguably an accurate description but was still motivated by avoiding the "dirty" word of "immigrant".

The whole "stop the boats" thing is a new thing that Tories and its ilk created to replace their previous arguments against anti-EU immigration since after Brexit that is obviously no longer really relevant.

[AngryCarl]

@Soteris You've clearly read up on the subject but there are some things that the written reports don't tell you, like the fact that many people in the UK don't like brown people.

[Soteris]

@AngryCarl True, I am not denying the fact that racism is alive and well in the UK. Just that anti-immigration sentiments in particular before Brexit was a weird and unique thing because of the UK's relationship with the EU and Europe as a whole.

Its also just the fact that the UK is not super exposed to immigration from outside Europe. Being geographically located as it is those immigrants would have to travel across all of Europe before reaching the UK border which obviously happens but is not a major concern unlike in other countries which borders non-EU countries.

As such the UK has always been exposed almost exclusively by EU immigrants which probably did not help the anti-immigrant sentiment.

[patois]

I hate to break it to you but Latin America is mostly White. The territory was colonized by White Europeans... Therefore your entire argument fails. Americans are already rejecting White illegal immigrants. It's not an issue when they come legally though.

[patois]

It hilarious because some of the harshest racism in America comes from legal Latin Americans directed towards illegal Latin Americans... I see it all the time between Latin Americans from different countries.

[normalice]

If Donald Trump hadn't complained that the border bill would leave him with nothing to campaign on thus killing the bill, people wouldn't be whining about the border.

[Ryan210000]

Do you agree the racism is disgusting?

[normalice]

Of course.

[Ryan210000]

What do you think of people being ok with white illegal immigrants but not non white ones?

[normalice]

Predictable

[Anonymous]

flawed logic is your specialty? hehe. Surely even you can realize a difference in a SMALL number of illegal immigrants, (whatever their skin color may be), and the massive shit fest of illegals coming across our southern border--regardless of their skin color? you're insane if you think people would welcome the destruction of their nation just because a people's skin color matches their own. That's wrong, a lie, and just straight up bullshit.

[BoopBoopBeep]

No we'd still hate illegal immigration then, too, because it's still ILLEGAL. Why is that hard for people like you to understand? We don't want more law breakers here.

[NewgodOmega]

Migrants are always bad I am from India and we have immigrants that are white black brown yellow everything and they are all black

[Ryan210000]

What?

[NewgodOmega]

Have many nations around me we get a mix crowd they are all bad

[JacobJordan]

Illegal is illegal it doesn't matter what their skin color is. Stop being racist

[Guanfei]

Oh, and why is that? Tell me what's the reason for it?

As a European dealing with African mass immigration, I could tell you quite a lot about the reasons, but I'm sure you wouldn't admit any of them, so what's the point?

[Flatmanlewis]

Nope. The Irish experience in the late 1800s/early 1900s is proof of that.

[SweetDripp]

Your narrative simply isn’t true. Read some history about how the Irish were welcomed as immigrants.

[Anonymous]

No, but I feel like you would be bothered more if they were all white.

[Ryan210000]

I have compasión for all immigrants.

[genericname85]

Well yes. But if you're in a war type situation and wanna get the hell out asap, going the right bureaucratic rout is not necessarily possible.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Most likely not because they are ukrainians, but if they were Russians then they will definitely complain as Russians are the enemy of Americans.

[Ryan210000]

So you admit the racism. That only minorities and only white countries they would bitch about are enemy ones. There are tons of minority majority countries that are allies to America yet people would still bitch. You know I am right, self hating hispanic guy.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No, you're just stupid. Nobody or smart nation likes illegal aliens flooding their territory.

[Ryan210000]

If they are white illegals than it is ok huh?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

In most cases yes its OK and depending on the circumstances as well.

As I said, nobody or nation that has brains won't put in jeopardy in their ethnic identity having millions of people that don't look nothing like them nor share their culture and vaules into their territory..

Only a dummy will think such is OK having totally be replaced in years to come.

[The_Sexpert]

Nobody should enter the country "Illegally" , doesn't matter who they are

[Jackblue]

The US did eventually restrict white immigration as well as non-white.

[Ryan210000]

Wrong they restricted white immigration before the 1950s.

[Anonymous]

If most illegal immigrants weren't criminals, but even then, they should enter the U. S. legally, the way we have to enter every single other country on Earth, legally.

[LunarEclipse433]

Nope. All illegals are taxing the system. We should take care of our Vets and mentally ill first.

[Anonymous]

We don't want any illegals no matter the skin color.

[exitseven]

No, it is the fact that they are illegal