Are we all just missing the point?

[flautistnaturist]

While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. (Matthew 17:5)

So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:33)

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. (John 12:47-50)

And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. (Acts 4:32-35)

In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise. (Proverbs 10:19)

even for current day, is there not more spiritually productive endeavor detailed as it is intended to be, above, here, than posting and entertaining question after question off this point? Are we not to blame in what fate we earn not heeding this above instead?

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Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? . . . But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

[strateguy632]

i got stuck on bright cloud, if the people see it is bright, it bottom bright then it would lighting under it not shadow.

[strateguy632]

"While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them" niv but your translation sucks!

[flautistnaturist]

blame king james, maybe. greek many think is not the original language anyway, for the greek reading, "in a manger," instead of, "in a tabernacle," as aramaic has just one word for both. the whole set of arrayed accounts is faulty human translation with copyist embellishment upon faulty human translation with copyist misunderstanding. that a real man rose from the dead, though, is reality nevertheless, and that His teachings and example, to the extent they have been truly communicated through the hands of entire cultures who disobeyed Him as though obeying Him, do put people in touch with the nature of the Creator Himself, and with how to embody this nature as humans.

[flautistnaturist]

maybe the cloud had regional brightness. given the nature of how the information made it to it's current form, it seems a bit beside the point, to hang up on incidental peculiarities

[flautistnaturist]

after all, it has been translated and maintained by people who neither obeyed it nor understood its underlying themes