Would you agree that a Fathers love is no less important, No less valuable than a mothers love?

[worldscolide]

Its a simple question right? The following image shows my feelings on it.

A fathers love is just as important.

A faters love is less important.

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A person in the comments has essentially turned this into a woman hate thing. That is not what this question is about. When it comes to family women's voices and men's voices, women's love and men's love, all massively important, and equally so.

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I notice those that voted less didn't have the testicular fortitude to comment, because of that, your votes do not count.

[RavVid]

Possibly more. Girls without a father are early in starting their sex life and boys don't have a male role model.

In Australia there is a funding initiative to counter balance Tate who is thought to be too influential on schoolboys. Lets do a quick check on why that might be.

Men have been largely driven out of secondary schools and it is almost totally feminized. No role models there.

Fathers were mostly divorced at the beginning of elementary school, so no role model at home.

Consequence: Schoolboys have to get onto the internet to find a role model.

I can see it that they will be told to get in touch with their feminine side and they should good little girls.

[molonski2]

The Australian system is a disgrace , John Howard changed it for the better , in that with children all started at 50/50 in a separation and then changed from there with circumstance , this has since been changed.
Child support system in practice is very very anti male.
That's why you don't see many men around , forced out of the classroom , and often sports fields , due to the actions of some bad apples in the past.
Eg : Beaumaris Primary School Beaumaris in the 70s.
But , its all gone too far , wayyyy too far.

[RavVid]

@molonski2 Realistically it was your father and male teachers that were the men you had most contact with. So with fathers removed by divorce and with most male teachers gone there isn't much opportunity for boys to interact with men.

Did you hear about the school where the principle made boys to apologize to the girls for being male. She resigned after this story hit the headlines but it was insane that she thought it a reasonable thing to do.

[molonski2]

I did read that , horrendous , 8 year old boys apologising. I had some sporting leaders who were great , these guys would not exist today , just as Scout leaders or male teachers cannot.

[RavVid]

@molonski2 Yes Scout leaders were another way boys were mentored. Know it has declined a lot and wasn't available in my district when I was in the age group.

It is just too high risk for men to get involved. Some parents will make it a selection criteria for a school that there are few/no male teachers or that they don't want their child to be allocated to a male teacher's class. My school teacher friend says he gets told by parents that they are watching him quite often.

Added to this is that a lot of mothers actively are against participation in football (other than soccer).

Traditional male sports is about all that is left

I've put a link to that case of boys being firced to apologize for being in case somebody else is interested.
news.sky.com/.../schoolboys-made-to-apologise-for-stuff-we-didnt-do-during-assembly-about-sexual-assault-12260783

[molonski2]

That must be horrendous for your friend , just trying to do his job..

[Miristheiss]

Why on earth would a father's love be less important? That is ridiculous.

By the way, go check out all the stats of how kids turn out, the teenage pregnancies, the drop outs, the crime, the gang involvement of kids raised in single mom homes alone vs. raised by a family with a mom and a dad.

[worldscolide]

Oh I agree.

[alice55]

Funny you say that cause my neirghour are married (a woman and a man) and their daughter became pregnant at 15 and left school...
Their other daughter is just as slutty
and another neirghour of mine are also married since always, the same their buy got a girl pregnant at 16 and their 3 boys have all been arrested and spend time in jail, druggies, etc... so I doubt single mother vs normal family have anythng to do with good raising...

[alice55]

Also let's not forget the one who killed his father with an ax and finished him off with a hunter rifle cause his father told me to go search a job instead of playing video game all day, he was raised by both his mother and father...

[worldscolide]

@alice55 statistical outliers are stitistical outliers for a reason. There is a reason stats don't take into account individual experiences.. Because individual experiences do not matter. Only the statistical whole matters. And statistically single mother homes produce the absolute worse people. Single mother homes are statistically worse than single father homes.

Additionally as I have said before, the vast majority of the prison population is from single mother homes.. Same with sex workers, teen moms, drug addicts, homeless people, mass shooters and so on.

Another example of why it's bad.. Lesbian homes where both parents are female are nearly as bad statistically as single mother homes. Of course that makes sense, domestic violence, and sexual assault in lesbian homes is 4 times what it is in hetro homes and nearly 10 times what it is in gay (male male) homes.

But you're not ready for that conversation yet are you?

[Miristheiss]

@alice55
And?
8 billion people on the earth so you demand that every example must pan out? Even though the math, the percentages clearly show kids from 2 parent homes stay in school and graduate, become law abiding citizens, get jobs, go to college and avoid sex work, teenage pregnancy, crime, dropping out, gang activity, drug use that isn't good enough for you. Unless it happens 100% of the time, then you will just throw out the data, you'll let the EXCEPTIONS negate the RULE for you?

Well, if that is your stance I cannot intellectually discuss with you. You use zero logic or fact, you use micro exception examples to throw out the vast majority states.

[electromagnetic]

I think men are just as important as women. They teach a lot of practical life skills we cannot.
I want to preface but saying this might not be the case for most but it is for me and my partner.
I cannot say I’ll be able to teach my kids to cook, or everything about cars, or to what to tell my son when he has a girlfriend. My partner is more patient, compassionate and understanding to a lot of new age things that I don’t seem to quite get. I think my kids will benefit greatly having him as their dad.
Of course I don’t have kids yet but there’s been talks 😆

[Ms_Facesitter]

I believe it's just as important. My dad is a good man. And now I'm a bit teary eyed. He isn't the dad that teaches lessons with words, but with actions. He doesn't tell you what to do, but by living in his shadow you get to observe and learn what you should be doing.

[worldscolide]

Love your comments as always!!

[Ms_Facesitter]

Thank you ^-^

[Lynx122]

A father can be more important than a mother. Because for instance with a son a mother can't have the same authority and teach a son discipline when he's growing up. And also with girls a single mother will not be a good role model for a girl growing up and she won't have a dad to be a good example of a partner and tell her no.

A single father can adapt and be caring like a mother when there's no woman around but a single mother can't provide everything that a good father can do.

Of course not every father is beneficial. Like my dad was kind of indifferent and my mom was a great mother but I still had some good experiences with my dad so I do think it was overall a benefit just far less than a father that actually understood what being a father and a husband meant.

[NaultD]

Yes it is

From a child point of view the agency of cultivating and nurturing that love starts with the father. If the father demands recognition without cultivating and nurturing that love does he deserve it?

My father was a mixed bag. He did his best but alcohol maxed out his ego. He told me "if you kill yourself I'm going to be disappointed in you."

From that day on I felt he never loved or cared for me ever. He was dead to me honestly. No matter what he said will ever matter. He died in 2021 like a drunk toddler with equally drunk/ meth heads babysitting him. He's talking about wanting another kid while I'm trying to figure out what he wants his cremation spread.

If you have to ask the question it's probably a you issue that needs self reflection. When my dad was a half decant person he was a hero. The worst parts was too much to over come.

If you wanna be the comic book hero you have to be that every day.

[Apple1996]

Not less important but I do think the value is different especially depending on the age of the kid. It's healthier for a mother to be more bonded to her kids in the earlier ages 0-10 and probably more bonded to their father in the later teen ages

[worldscolide]

No disagreement, I just hate when a good fathers influence is minimized. When I met my wife I politely yet firmly informed her that I refused to be what my father was (abusive and then gone).

[genericname85]

actually if you look at the correlations with positive outcomes later in life, the love of a father is objectively and significantly more important than the love of a mother.

so if you are a young child and you want to maximize your outcomes later in life (low crime probability, high employment probability, good income, family and many more), and you have to choose between having a single dad or a single mum, you should definitely go for single dad. for optimal results, you'd have a father AND a mother but yeah. that's the facts. that is "just" an opinion but i'm also in the social sciences and i do think correlations matter even if they aren't causations.

[genericname85]

i am most definitely trying to spread hate on mothers. but you can not make the argument that mothers are more important if we can measure that fathers actually have a measurably higher positive impact on the outcomes in lifes of children.

[IslaTheWitch]

of course... for proper development of child's minds commitment of both parents is needed... patterns from both parents, love gestures, positive attention... everything that builds healthy human being...

[sage2021]

@IslaTheWitch
I grew up without my dad because he abandoned us when I was only 4 years old.

So, what does that make me? Half baked or something?

[IslaTheWitch]

@sage2021 my father divorced my mom when I was 6 years old. Am I half-baked? No. Do I struggle with some things because of missing stuff in childhood? Yes...

Kids' minds need stability, a feeling of predictability, and love and attention from BOTH parents... it's coded by evolution because, without both parents, young homo sapiens had a very low chance of survival...

[Flatmanlewis]

Man. I’m 51 now and I only in the past few years have come to truly see and understand how many of my faults & failings in life have a direct correlation to my absent father. I have an amazing mother who loved me fully but the lack of a father had consequences I both denied and failed to see in life.

[IslaTheWitch]

@Flatmanlewis I'm sorry you have to experience it...

[Flatmanlewis]

Thank you for saying so. The truth is life is rarely fair and absolutely every single person we know has had to overcome something in life. I could’ve had a far worse fate and in the grand scheme of life I’ve learned a lot more from my challenges than my successes.

[Flatmanlewis]

It’s absolutely as important. Simply put a good loving parent team: both mother and father, each love differently. Not one better than the other but each uniquely suited for various aspects of life and growing up.

[molonski2]

Absolutely of course it is , utterly vital in many cases more important , particularly with various children , I still suffer now from loosing my father , and I've addressed it with phycologists it always comes back to that , every time.

[Agape93]

Honestly I have no idea on here. No metric. But I know you'd be a great dad.

[worldscolide]

Thank you.

[SolitarySolace]

https://youtu.be/Zg8DfeDw04I?si=XRXlBtphwf3wmtF7

[worldscolide]

Do you follow the Dadvocate on Youtube?

[SolitarySolace]

No, I don’t watch female YouTubers.

[SolitarySolace]

I watch Timcast, and better bachelor

[worldscolide]

she's a fathers rights advocate and activist.

[SolitarySolace]

I seriously don’t do female activists. Women wouldn’t know anything about how important fathers are.

[worldscolide]

Thats not right. She helped her husband fight for custody of his kid, I think its wrong to deny women who want to help a place at the table.

[SolitarySolace]

Women think they can define what it means to be masculine. Hell no I don’t trust a woman to uphold fathers rights

[SolitarySolace]

Women are the reason I don’t want to be a father

[PBandJ_Nerd]

A man can love his children just as much as his woman does. Or if he's single, he'll do whatever it takes to take care of & provide for his kids.

[FreyaRed]

Of course is father's love important, especially if mother's love is rare like Palm trees in Antarctica.

[midnightmoon05]

Father’s love is very very important!! Equally, more, less… all the same to me…very very important!

[HighValue]

Based on statistics and real world outcomes (not wishful and delusional thinking) a father actually matters MORE than a mother for kids.

[The_Sexpert]

Wish I knew who the 2 women who voted the 2nd option are.. so I know who to block

[GuyAnswersGirls123]

I will say it's generally more important. Not equally. More.

[gorydetails]

A loving, heterosexual marriage where both partners are involved in their children’s lives is the absolute best environment to ensure those children thrive.

[Abbycado]

Of course. I’m closer with my dad.

[worldscolide]

Good! Believe it or not, to guys who may be interested in you, that's a green flag.

[Abbycado]

My dad is awesome. Always been close with him.

[worldscolide]

I'm glad!

[Mrtcn01]

two different love type you can not compare but they are the same in different way

[dustybiker2]

I wish I'd had a father to be proud of.

[worldscolide]

You and me both, I never met my real dad, and the person I knew as dad was an abusive piece of human excitement.

[dustybiker2]

They should make parents take some form of class. Poor kids.

[worldscolide]

Preaching to the choir my friend, totally agree.

[AmyHew1tt]

Meh. I never really experienced fatherly love, and my mom's was really all I needed, so I don't think it is as important. At least not for me.

[worldscolide]

And yet all of the worst things in society comes from single mother/fatherless homes.. While you are an outlier, you're not the rule, you're the exception to the rule.

[AmyHew1tt]

That's one view on the subject.

[worldscolide]

It's also the statistically correct view on the subject, you can disagree all you want buy facts disagree with your feelings.

For example 90% of all prison inmates are from single mother homes. Every single mass shooting, single mother homes, children of single mother homes are 80% more likely to be drug addicts, prostitutes, sex workers, teen moms, have abortions, and so on.. The same cannot be Said of homes with both parents or even single father homes..

Again you can disagree all you want, the statistics make your view completely false.

[BCRanger10]

I very much agree with that.

[exitseven]

A farhers love is just as important

[laly520]

yes
just as important

[sirderpsalot123]

Agreed