Should Joe Biden remain on the Ohio ballot?

[Juxtapose]

So Biden did an opsie and might not legally be able to appear on the Ohio ballot. I don't think that is right and people should make exemptions for him so he can appear on the ballot. Let's have a fair vote and not legitimize this behavior.

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If Ohio was this to Trump because of a mistake I would be arguing for the same thing.

[OlderAndWiser]

"So Biden did an opsie" No, the DNC and Biden campaign are both quite familiar with Ohio election laws and they didn't simply overlook this. Or are you suggesting that Democrats are too stupid to understand the law?

2. "and might not legally be able to appear on the Ohio ballot." That would be Biden's responsibility.

3. "I don't think that is right" Your opinion is noted but means nothing. My opinion means nothing, either. This is a question of law, not teaching children on the playground to play fair.

4. "people should make exemptions for him" This is a matter of law and there is no exception built in to this law. So you think we should ignore the law and not "penalize" Biden for his own stupidity while the Democrats are trying to crucify Trump for allegedly not following the law?

5. "Let's have a fair vote" You mean a vote where everyone follows the law. . . except Biden?

6. "and not legitimize this behavior." You mean let's legitimize behavior that does not follow the law?

I haven't heard any compelling argument for breaking the law to help Biden.

[Juxtapose]

The best argument I can give you is that if they were doing this to Trump? I would not believe a word they would say and I would think this is total bullshit.

[OlderAndWiser]

That's not a logical argument. It's just venting your feelings.

[Juxtapose]

Okay then my logical argument is this will appear to the public to legitimize keeping candidates off of ballots and it could hurt politics in the long run.

[OlderAndWiser]

So if a candidate refuses to comply with election law, they should still appear on the ballot?

[Juxtapose]

Given current circumstances? Yes.

[OlderAndWiser]

So it should be an election where everyone follows the law?

[Juxtapose]

I actually just argued that it should not be in this specific instance.

The Democrats have cheated pretty fucking hard and this is a wonderful opportunity for Republicans to set a good example and try to bring some sanity back to the country. A little bit of goodwill thrown towards Biden's way (it won't make him win Ohio don't worry) will do a lot to show the voters where the virtuous people stand and were the evil people slither.

[Juxtapose]

*where the evil people slither

[OlderAndWiser]

This odd am issue that will probably be decided by the Ohio Secretary of State and then the Ohio Supreme Court, not the Republican Party.

[Juxtapose]

That's certainly not the way the media is going to frame it.

[Juxtapose]

We are dealing with narcissistic, Machiavellian sociopaths who will stop at absolutely nothing to destroy anyone who does not bow down to the deep state. We have to be smart about how we deal with this and how the general, largely politically unaware public is going to perceive this.

[OlderAndWiser]

I certainly do appreciate those thoughts and I concur.

[NYCQuestions1976]

President Biden should 100% be on the Ohio ballot in November. While there is a major difference between properly qualifying for the ballot and then unilaterally being removed unconstitutionally, and not properly qualifying for the ballot in the first place because of self-inflicted gross negligence, Ohio officials should still work with Democrats to insure that Biden is on the ballot for the election. The uproar that would ensue and the gigantic Pandora's Box that would be permanently opened isn't worth the comedy.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Thanks for Most Helpful. 👍

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Every politician do it to themselves, so it doesn't matter.

[DextroShade]

If Biden and the Democrat party didn't try to remove Trump from the ballot I would be more inclined to agree with you. Turnabout is fair play, and in this case Trump didn't even do anything; it was all because Biden's DNC fucked up the dates. The attempts to get Trump off the ballot were malice; Biden not being on the ballot is just incompetence.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah, but the optics of this will matter and I am hoping to make removing candidates from the ballot as taboo as possible.

[DextroShade]

The difference is that Biden wasn't removed because he didn't qualify for the ballot in the first place. There was no activist judge or other official who took his name off; his party just missed publicly available deadlines.

[Juxtapose]

The media isn't going to tell the public that.

[DextroShade]

Fake news is gonna fake news.

[Avicenna]

I agree with you, but I certainly wouldn't blame anyone feeling Schadenfreude after the Democrats' numerous attempts to remove Trump from the ballot in Democrat-run states.

Keep in mind that an ancillary issue with the states is that turnout for other races on the same ballot is a depressed turnout if either Trump or Biden is removed from an individual state's ballot.

[WindAtMyBack]

He'll be on the ballot if he gets the nomination. This isn't the first time this has happened.

Anyway, nobody has a right to be on the Ohio ballot, or any other state ballot. The states don't have to allow people to vote for president at all. They can choose their electors any way they want.

Personally I think all states should quit letting people vote for president. Things would be a hell of a lot better that way.

[AngryCarl]

Technically he can't remain on the ballot because he isn't on the ballot. Has he even been declared official Democratic candidate? Doesn't that happen at the convention? If Sleepy Joe doesn't get his arse in gear he won't be on the ballot.

That would be silly though. I'm sure they will figure something out.

[Dargil]

No voter should be denied his or her free choice. Any thing else is Threat To Our Democracy™. I am an Ultra MAGA Republican Extremist™ saying that.

[NaultD]

Who gives a fuck? Biden lost 2020 in Ohio and won the election. Will it matter in 2024? Of course not.

[Juxtapose]

Have you seen how badly he's doing in the polls though?

[NaultD]

How about Arizona and civil war abortion ban? The purple state if there ever was one of? Arizona hats the abortion ban trunp is milk toast on the ban then biden I'd full throttle remaking history roe vs wade a thing again. Every purple is going to be blue from rights being taken away.

[Juxtapose]

The Republicans literally had nothing to do with it. It was entirely the decision of the Supreme Court and frankly they made the right choice because the way Roe v Wade was originally implemented was bullshit.

[NaultD]

These are purple swing states and not ready the totality of the religious nut cases. Yet subservience to civil war era laws who ultimately lost?

When time to vote who will they vote for?

[Juxtapose]

What are you talking about?

[NaultD]

Republicans get fucked to be honest.

[Juxtapose]

Unless the Democrats cheat? This is a guaranteed victory for Trump.

[NaultD]

No. Republicans getting to greedy and zealot on abortion. Purples going blue seeing how cut throut on abortions.

[Juxtapose]

It's actually a radical position to want the Supreme Court to intentionally mishandle abortion. They should have struck down Roe v Wade as the legal basis for it was very dodgy.

I am for abortion by the way but how it was handled legally was awful. There's nothing wrong with leaving it up to the states either, they do the same with gay marriage.

[Juxtapose]

www.latimes.com/.../how-roe-vs-wade-went-wrong-broad-new-right-to-abortion-rested-on-a-shaky-legal-foundation

[NaultD]

Every purple will go blue over abortion.

Even donald. The hard core anti might not vote for donald

[Juxtapose]

Yeah and people said there would be a revolution if Roe v Wade was overturned but look at how that turned out.
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[llorando]

100% should. No candidate should be removed from a ballot weather you like them or not. If your only shot at winning is keeping other candidates off the ballot, then maybe you shouldn't be running.

[DJB72]

I can't stand either of them but if it wasn't fair to exclude Trump in Colorado then it's not fair to keep Coma Joe off Ohio because of an administration mistake...

[exitseven]

He was not on the ballot in New Hampshire and he still managed to win. He will be the nominee anyway so who cares. ?

[Juxtapose]

It's the optics. I want removing candidates from ballots to be as taboo as possible.

[exitseven]

The presidential election is the big leagues of politics. If you cannot figure out how to get your name on the ballot, maybe you are too dumb to be president.

[Juxtapose]

We all know his brain is mush. He is simultaneously unfit for trial but supposedly fit to be president?

[Dongie]

I'm all for a fair election this time. I don't much appreciate having my vote nullified. 100% no cheating would be pleasurabley rectifying as DJT hauled in a hundred million votes. To 33 million.

[RealMarek]

Don’t worry, the system will make an exception for him because he is backed by power.

[OddBeMe]

You gotta stop the YouTubers…

https://www.youtube.com/embed/izPGyMsXCKU

[Juxtapose]

I'm actually on your side and if you would bother to read what I posted, you would have realized that.

[Juxtapose]

And I will never acquiesce to the absolute morons who claim that a video format is in any way inferior to a written format.

[OddBeMe]

As an advertiser I can expertly advise that video has a 10x more influence rate than the written word.

[OddBeMe]

But back to basics, no one should be removed from ballots.

[Juxtapose]

That's what I'm saying, I'm saying that removing Biden is a mistake. The people should be the deciders, not the state.

[KrakenAttackin]

There are far too many stupid liberals in Ohio for Biden not to be in the ballot.

[gorydetails]

my how the turntables

[ApplePie409]

Take him off the ballot