Is Illegal Immigration Now Irregular Immigration?

[AviatorTom]

Media is now using the term "irregular immigration" instead of "illegal immigration" to describe people crossing the border without authorization. This applies to the US, and other countries as well.

What do you think of that?

[purplepoppy]

Sounds like an attempt to depoliticise the issue and defuse anger around the issue. The problem with the term illegal is it has negative connotations, it applies the person is a criminal and makes fleeing persecution a crime. Also if you see a migrant in the street you've no idea if they're legal or not, whether they came for economic reasons or for safety. Given the mentality of some people calling them irregular rather than illegal could prevent trouble.

Plus irregular sounds less urgent for the government to deal with. "It's rather irregular old chap" rather than " That's illegal mate."

[monorprise]

@purplepoppy ... They are criminals, they invaded our country with the attempt to colonize it. You don't get to invade someone's home and call yourself an "irregular guests".
You're either invited or your not. New York and California may be ok with letting such invaders claim to be "ill-regular leasers" to rob the owner of their property.

But if you try that in Texas, like most other conservative States, if the owner doesn't simply shoot you the sheriff will drag you to jail.

[Kaneki05]

@monorprise Ya know I can't tell if your point is sarcastic and playing into the irony, or if your really trying to make this point honestly can't tell lol.

[dustybiker2]

I think you should just bite the bullet and create a site "Ask purplepoppy". Make life clearer for the busy masses and more confusing for the already lost.

[monorprise]

@Kaneki05 In states with stand your ground laws like Texas you can shoot invaders and its not a crime.

Althou New York will let people steal your home right out form under you that is not the case in most states least of all Conservative states.

This attitude difference toward invaders is also reflected in theses state's attitudes toward illegal aliens invading our country.

[Kaneki05]

@monorprise So you weren't be ironic you really are complaining about people invading 'your country' that's funny.

[Kaneki05]

been*

[monorprise]

@Kaneki05 So you think it is funny that we are shooting forign criminals because some leftist idiots told them they can get away with invading our home?

I don't, I think that is sick, just as sick as the scores of them who die along the way many thousands of dollars before even reaching our border thanks to the same criminal promise.
If theses people had a legal right to be in this country they could have flown in for a fraction of the price.

[Kaneki05]

@monorprise Oh boy you can't even tell what I am clearly implying with what I said. And rambling on about something that wasn't my point.
I legit thought you were be sarcastic at first but nope you really just can't see it.

[northerngal]

OK get used to all this. The real problem is not immigration but migration. The planet climate is changing. The world is filled with war, hatred and hunger. Humans will always migrate to better parts of the world to make a better life and survive. Instead of building walls and worrying about if its illegal countries like the USA and Canada would be better off concentrating on addressing the reasons for mass migration... otherwise those people will keep coming in droves.

[exitseven]

The world is sinking and America is the lifeboat. Like any lifeboat, you only reload it and it will sink and then everyone drowns.

[monorprise]

@northerngal
Unfortunately it is not within the power of theses united States to impose peace on earth. We Tried that for and failed for decades. We can't even afford to maintain existing military efforts, and as @exitseven we are ourselves sinking fast.

Having been overloaded and crushed by the the weight of soo many aliens, we cannot afford to house or feed even ourselfs. Nor do we thanks to Washington's vast domestic power grabs even have the freedom to lower our standard of living to adapt.

[exitseven]

@monorprise we cannot change the whole world. We can control our borders. President Trump is right, living in America is a big deal. We old attract skilled, educated people from all over the world, doctor, engineers mechanics and nurses. We need skilled people to assimilate, get jobs, raise families and participate in America. Instead, Biden has opened the border to impoverished, uneducated people who don't speak a word of English and have no intention of learning. These people are parasites, costing trillions of dollars from hard working taxpayers. Already communities across the country are seeing the results of this. More crime, overloaded schools, 7 hour emergency room waits, and higher taxes.

[monorprise]

@exitseven People tend to prefer the immigration of the skilled and educated, not only because that demographic has usually proven themselves willing to work. But that their immediate benefit to the population is lowering the cost of the most expensive skills.

The existing population of such labor also earning enough as to most be able to afford the cut in the wages they might otherwise demand for said services.

But you are just as much reducing the value of American labor, for immigration is as much the trade in labor as it is the importation of less compatible cultures. While the cultural issue can be resolved provided you don't go too far with too many or of too distant a cultural leap as to drive and permit fragmentation. Which is very much what Europe has done to an extreme degree and we have done to with other cultures.

[exitseven]

@monorprise The people that have skills that are in demand usually command good salaries. There are plenty of foreign born doctors and thy certainly have not depressed wages for doctors in thins country.

[monorprise]

@exitseven That is just the point, even as few doctors as there are the main floor of a doctors salary is the legal liability of their profession.

The more we push doctor towards toward that limit the fewer of them want to continue or join the profession. Which is already been something of a crisis in getting enough healthcare providers to join or stay in the profession since Obamacare passed significantly raising the costs.

[NaultD]

You have to go to court and proven guilty of a crime to be truly called an illegal immigrant.

Do we want the federal government the ability to deport people without a trial? You get raided at night by ice and then deported because you Don like a certain president. Rights of a trial and a lawyer are only for Americans and you look south America so off you go before anyone knows.

[Avicenna]

No, you don't have to go to court to prove they're in the US illegally, and, yes, if they are not in the US illegally, you want to deport them immediately instead of pretending they will show up for a court date in 7-10 years time.

[NaultD]

@Avicenna how do you prove yourself as a legal citizen right now without a court?

You are hand now handcuff walking into a plane to some south American countrie.

[Avicenna]

Ever heard of a passport or birth certificate? Really, a driver's license would do to prove legal presence if none were being issued to illegals (in some states they are). I live in a state that doesn't

Please don't try to pretend that is what happens, not least because the country has to agree to take the illegal who is a citizen of their country, unless they're a Mexican citizen in which case they can be deported immediately. We wouldn't have tens of millions of illegals if your pie-in-the-sky scenario would actually happen.

But please do tell me who's going to do this to me and where they're going to detain me when they do? In my workplace? At a traffic stop? In my home? When I'm working out?

[NaultD]

@Avicenna, who's going to care about an ID or passport? ICE isn't. It's fake until you prove it in court, which is never going to happen. Want a lawyer? Lawyers are only for citizens.

You need a court to hold the federal government accountable.

You said something about a president you don't like and suddenly disappeared.
That is the power you are giving to the federal government.

[Avicenna]

I don't know what alternate universe you live in, but passports are regularly used for travel and identification purposes. Furthermore, a passport is generally required to enter another country. Do you expect to enter Mainland China or Russia without one, or any ID at all? Passports get authenticated all the time.

As for your scenario of a political opponent being "disappeared" by the government (which happens in Mainland China), it is clearly a violation of constitutional rights and therefore not comparable to removing an illegal invader who has no right to enter the US illegally (especially without us knowing who they are), something that the federal government does have the power to do.

But you will have us believe that unless we allow our court systems to be clogged for decades by waiting for illegals to show up to get ordered deported, US citizens will be illegally thrown into jail at the whim of the leftists who run everything. Never mind that by refusing to deport anyone, you are giving the federal government the power to illegally traffic in anyone the Democrats want to (something they also do by flying in illegals at US taxpayer expense from their home countries). That's a power that no country can give its government if it wants to remain a country.

[NaultD]

@Avicenna the federal agent is assuming you as an illegal immigrant without rights. Your on a plane before anyone asks about you. Like an illegal immigrant. Like how you want illegal immigrants treated.

Without a court system how are you any different from an illegal immigrant?

[NaultD]

You want the federal government to have a loophole to get away with guilty until proven innocent without anyway to prove yourself innocent.

That's some fucked up shit.

[exitseven]

No, there are both state and federal laws that prohibit coming into America without documents.

[NaultD]

@exitseven what happens to laws when you break them? Is it a court hearing about it?

[exitseven]

@naultd If I break the law I get sent to prison. If a democrat breaks the law nothing ever happens to them.

[NaultD]

@exitseven you get to a holding cell. Innocent until proven guilty. Then there bail and a court date.

[exitseven]

@naultd When I get arrested it will be for "crimes" against the democrat regime. Like the Jan6th protesters there will be no charging, no trial and no sentencing. Just get locked up in some black hole.

[NaultD]

@exitseven don is in court right now. no one is better or less then him. You know who also get a day in court the whole beginning of this question Irregular Immigration. Those people are no better or less then former president Donald Trump.

[Avicenna]

That is a straw man argument. Trump is in court because the Democrats are persecuting him, not because he's in a country illegally. The courts cannot become clogged with tens of millions of cases where the defendant will never show up anyway. Furthermore, you don't want to give hostile governments the opportunity to clog or court system with their citizens which they'll anyhow refuse to take back.

Nor is a trial necessary to determine illegal entry. I repeat once more that Mexican citizens who are in the US illegally can be deported immediately to Mexico.

Your call for giving every illegal an expensive court date and an expensive lawyer is ridiculous, even if they were to show up in court (which they obviously won't).

[Kaneki05]

Americans can't call it illegal immigration those who do are illegals themselves unless they are a rare few that are natives.

As for myself I couldn't care about immigration at all I don't see anything wrong with it. What's wrong is simply not making more accommodations, you think Gov couldn't make more places to live and be more efficient with space?

[ApplePie409]

Oh my fuck. The purple moron said that "Illegal aliens" shouldn't be called "illegal." If these illegal invaders started voting for Republicans, Biden would finish the wall and stop fucking with Texas. He would put the army on the wall.

[exitseven]

You are right about that. Why do you think Cubans are not welcome? They have seen Communism close up and want no part of it. They would never vote Democrat

[ApplePie409]

@exitseven
You hit the nail on the head. Most people are stupid.

[Kaneki05]

Imagine equating a good system with a extremist bad version of that system. Communism and dictatorship is bad is somehow the same to democrat.
By such logic Islamic terrorists are conservative right? so if you've seen that you would never vote republican because that's the same right?

It's funny how flawed the logic some extreme right wingers throw themselves into.

[exitseven]

@Kaneki05 The pro Hamas protesters have nothing to do with Republicans. They chant death to the Jewis and death to America. Republicans support Israel and President Trump has started America First

[Kaneki05]

@exitseven The fact you completely missed my point is funny. But also just warped yourself into that bad example that was meant to be a bad example but now your saying you actually are the same wow lol.

I don't even know how to explain what hole you just dug.

[Kaneki05]

Let's just say your point just made it worse for yourself and clearly you only see things in two extremes which is very unhealthy. But you do you I guess.

[ApplePie409]

@exitseven
Don't argue with an idiot.

[Kaneki05]

I am only a idiot to you because you can't understand my point, which is honestly scary as it's a very simple point.

[ApplePie409]

@Kaneki05
You're not an American. LMAO
Fuck off.

[Kaneki05]

Ah yes cause that defeats my point. Good argument.

[ApplePie409]

@Kaneki05

I want and support millions of illegals coming to your country. I want them camping on your yard

[Kaneki05]

Still avoiding my point I wonder why that is? Oh wait I know why.

[Kaneki05]

Also aren't you now avoiding your own post here? Funny that.

[ApplePie409]

@Kaneki05

Post your own question and stop mooching on Tommy Boy. Post the link here if you're not a coward.

[Kaneki05]

What are you even on about? Why would I need to post my own question to reply to the anti-logical conclusion you both are agreeing on? I simple pointed out why your logic is extreme yet you two can't even see why it is so which I guess just proves my point honestly.
Dunno what I was expecting.

[NamerOfStars]

Mark Twain famously said "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics". I guess the nineteenth century was a more honest time; sometime in the twentieth, we added "euphemisms".

[Anonymous]

It sounds pretty typical of what todays govt and govt-controlled media would do. It all depends on what the "narrative" is. The term "undocumented" is another term to take peoples minds off the truth... that they are ILLEGAL

[exitseven]

Democrats call things just the opposite if what they are, then the fake news keeps repeating it until people think it is true. Think "inflation reduction act" "the big lie" Builld Back Better, "Affordable Healthcare Act" and my favorite, "Bidenomics"

[TadCurious]

This is emblematic of woke culture. It's similar to the woke left referring to "people with penises" instead of men. They have an agenda when it comes to illegal immigration and they further that by manipulating language.

[rosemilk]

i think they need to stop changing the definitions and wordings of things. they changed the definition of inflation, recession, etc...

i think people need to open their eyes

[DJB72]

Maybe it's a way I can move back to the UK with my family without having a job paying the insane income they now require for me to do so.

We'll just irregularly immigrate.

[Juxtapose]

It's a classic orwellian tactic to change the language so you can manipulate people.

[Avicenna]

They are in the US illegally. Calling it anything else is an attempt to regularize human trafficking and illegal entry/presence.

[exitseven]

Shakespeare said a rose by any other name.

Calling them other than illegal aliens is doing everyone a disservice.

[ApplePie409]

A comedian said that drug dealers are just "undocumented pharmacists."

I also heard that the best way to debate wokeism, is through humor. You have to throw it back at them.

That was NOT a home invasion. You just had a few uninvited guests at 3:00 AM who didn't have a key.

[exitseven]

@ApplePie409 No, we have over ten million criminals that are roaming the country collecting billions of dollars in welfare benefits , causing more crime, more fentanyl deaths, more inflation and using resources that should be going to taxpayers. You cannot call them univited guests. They are illegla aliens.

[ApplePie409]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHL-Z2fCMiI

Why hasn't he been impeached?

[exitseven]

@ApplePie409 Sen John Kennedy is a national treasure

[douride2]

If it's not legal it must be illegal. This woke BS has to go.

[exitseven]

Yes, there are several state and federal laws that prohibit entry into the US and also pre enting rhe enforcement is the before mentioned laws. Why is nobody in prison?

[Meropatrick]

Later they would be called uncanny citizens😂

[exitseven]

Our moonbat governor calls them Newcomers. Trump tells them not to get too comfortable, you won't be staying long.

[Snakeyes7]

Never stop calling it illegal immigration. The media can change the terms as much as they please but those who have a sense of justice know that what is happening is not only illegal but putting the US at risk physically and economically.

Those in the government who allow this are traitors.

[RedInnocent69]

Sounds like a bowel movement. Eat more fibre and drink more water, folks.

[CaptainSmartass]

Its offensive. Illegal immigration is what it is.

Simples...

[onedarkcloud]

It is just people putting up a smoke screen to cover ILLEGALS flooding over the border. No matter what you call them Bidens favorite newcomers or migrant's criminals they are ILLEGAL aliens.

[dustybiker2]

Media will say and do anything to gain viewers.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

It's all the same. Doesn't matter.

[msc545]

It doesn't matter.

[exitseven]

What doesn't matter? That they broke our laws simply by being here? That they are collecting billions in benefits and it will only increase yearly if the democrats stay in power or that they kill hundreds of Americans yearly and tens of thousands of Americans die of fentanyl ODs yearly because of the drugs they smuggle in

[IWILLPLEASEYOU]

I am wondering what is your contry of your origin