Should sperm donors be forced to have to pay child support?

[CriticalCatDad123]

- Man who donated sperm forced to pay child support! 40% of his paycheck for 18 years to earn $150 - https://youtu.be/woo7d2RnyZw?si=7O1kDrkOUHIhkQ-m

- Court Orders A Craigslist Sperm Donor To Pay Child Support Even Though The Mothers Of The Child Disagree - www.pjstar.com/.../

- Sperm donor to lesbian couple forced to pay child support - amp.theguardian.com/.../gayrights.immigrationpolicy

Yes, Sperm donors must pay child support

No, Sperm donors should not have to pay child support. That is ridiculous!

[Erellvy]

If you’re going to donate your sperm then at least do your research first. If you donate to a woman/couple face to face, so to someone you know or met online or whatever, then legally you are the father to any child produced by that sperm, NOT a donor, and can also be responsible for paying child support just like any other parent. The child will also inherit from you when you die like any child and you can sue for custody and so on. What you and the woman/couple had agreed on is irrelevant in the eyes of the legal system. Even if you wrote a contract it doesn’t hold up in court. Only if you go to a sperm bank and donate to them will you not be the legal father to the potential children conceived by your donations and won’t be responsible for paying child support to the recipients. If you go online to find someone to donate sperm to and have sex with them or just hand them your sperm then legally you are the father no matter what your intentions were. Clearly these men didn’t do their research, which you should do before doing something big like this. So should sperm donors have to pay child support? Of course not and they don’t have to if they actually follow the law and donate through banks. Sleeping around with women you met on craigs list (or handing them a cup of your semen) doesn’t remove your responsibility for any child you may produce through that though, just as sleeping around with women you met at a night club doesn’t remove your responsibility for the children you may produce through that. I don’t understand how this is a thing men are upset about, they make it sound like oh buhu men are being screwed over and have to pay child support for donor kids. When that’s not true. Donate sperm through a bank and you’re a sperm donor and don’t have to pay child support. The families and children won’t even know your identity until the kid is 18 and that’s if you decide to be a id-release donor (you can be anonymous in which case the child will never receive your identifying info no matter their age, with that said with 23andme and stuff there’s a chance they could find you anyway but even if they do you won’t be responsible for anything) and the kid wants to find out your identity. Donate sperm at home, at hotels or in public restrooms or whatver to someone you know or met online = you’re legally the father and not a donor.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Sure. If women and female children are being forced to carry a child whether they wanted it or not, then start forcing men to start paying for it whether they want to or not. Let's just mess up the whole system if we are gonna go full dictatorship on people's medical choices.

[JacobJordan]

Don't spread your legs if you don't want a baby. Rape accounts for less than 5% of pregnancies don't even bother bringing it up

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Rape still occurs so it has to be brought up. Just because it's an inconvenient fact that messes up your argument doesn't mean it shouldn't be brought up.

Nearly 3 million American women experience vaginally rape and that number grows daily. That is by no means and insignificant number to just toss amongst the wayside.

Even if I were to take you at face value and discount rapes, at no point does it mean a woman is condemned to pregnancy just for having sex. Abortion is in a lot of states (and should be in the rest), a viable option to ending an unwanted pregnancy. It is a medical choice and thankfully not one you will ever have to face in your lifetime.

[JacobJordan]

If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant she can choose to not spread her legs. Or she can get a hysterectomy or tubal ligation or use birth control or condoms or female condoms. Killing a fetus is murder an uncomfortable truth for many women. Also the biological DNA of that fetus will remain with the mother forever whether she terminates or not. Just because you think murdering children unborn or not is alright doesn't make it okay. You like killing children so much go to a school and try it... no? Why not? Because they are outside the womb? A fetus is just an unborn child.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Just get a hysterectomy or her tubes tied? What planet are you living on? Most doctors won't perform one on women under 35 because of their ill conceived bias that the women's partner will potentially want children so the woman doesn't get a say in the matter. They also don't want to perform the surgery on an otherwise healthy individual.

Just because you don't agree with abortion doesn't make it ok. See? I can make the same argument. Your pious morality has no effect here. For me it's just about the facts and the fact is a fetus is not a child yet.

I personally would never have an abortion, but that doesn't give me the right to take away that choice from millions of women just because it feels icky to me. That's where your stance is wrong.

[JacobJordan]

It's about facts for you is it? Definition of fetus: an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage.
Definition of offspring: a person's child or children.

Killing a fetus is factually murder. 1st degree technically.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Wow, look at you, so quick to abandon your points just to bring up the dictionary as a counterpoint.

If a fetus is a child as your propose, then why can I not buy life insurance on a fetus? Why can I not claim it on my taxes? Why can a woman not claim it for welfare purposes? Why the double standard?

The truth is that legislation banning abortion isn't about protecting the child. It's about punishing the woman for having sex.

[JacobJordan]

No it really isn't and my points still stand lol you are arguing a retarded liberal point that has no basis in science medicine or biology

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

So you basically have no counterpoint to make to my argument. Fair enough. I figured you'd run out of steam sooner or later.

It's not a liberal point. It's a basic question that you have no good answer to. If a fetus is a baby and it's considered 1st degree murder like you said, then why can I not do those things I listed like I can with a child who has been born? The answer you're looking for is, "It doesn't make sense, Bri."

Clearly, there is a disconnect between what a fetus vs a baby is and until you can afford all rights to a fetus that a born child has, then sit down and shut up about abortion because you have no clue what you're talking about.

[JacobJordan]

I already made my point and you have had nothing to say except "I understand that I am wrong but they should still be allowed to murder children"

[JacobJordan]

If I as a person were to murder a pregnant woman I am charged with double homicide. If a fetus isn't a person then how did I kill 2 people? You answer that and you'll understand why you are wrong. Short version. If you don't want to be pregnant don't spread your legs. Not having sex is a 100% chance to avoid pregnancy

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

I never once said I was wrong, and you still have no more counterpoints, so I'm done with this conversation. You can stop putting words in my mouth as I don't want any part of you in my mouth lol

[DrPepper12]

@JacobJordan one word: Wrong

[DrPepper12]

@JacobJordan Still wrong

[DrPepper12]

@JacobJordan Amazingly still wrong

[JacobJordan]

@DrPepper12 stalk me harder lol

[DrPepper12]

@JacobJordan umm... Ok?

[DarkLegacy]

So just because a small proportion of men rape women, all me n should be forced to pay child support. Do you know how pathetic you sound, im glad you are in a minority of one here.

[Twalli]

@JacobJordan defirion of fetus "... other mamal..." so the fetuses of other mammals have the same rights as humans, but lose them when born. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

@DarkLegacy All men who create life should be responsible to pay for that life if a woman is expected to carry that life whether she wants to or not.

[DarkLegacy]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 sperm donors should not have to pay and that is final. It would not work because they would just not donate, and donating sperm is anonymous so no way to enforce it.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

This was done through Craigslist. It wasn't anonymous. And just because you say "that is final" doesn't make it so. If they are worried about having to pay, then don't donate.

[DarkLegacy]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 Exactly, there will be a shortage of donors, but seeing as the law requires them to be anon then still would not be able to enforce it.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Well, with the laws, they are passing in Alabama we might as well mess up the entire IVF process for everyone. I'm fine with a lack of donors from private donations anyway.

[DarkLegacy]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 Obviously im not familiar with the laws in the USA, i live in the UK and we don't have this stupid concept of different laws in different regions, we have national laws. And you might be ok with a lack of donors from private donations but i doubt most are.

[JacobJordan]

Numerous different things can and should be removed from the equation. Abortion, welfare, child support, government assistance, all contraception options. Why? Simple look at history we didn't have these things for a long time and people were careful with who they choose to be intimate with. We have removed all the consequences of stupidity from something that is extremely important. They do all of that and women will stop whoring around they will find a man they love and cherish and be with that man. And men likewise will stop being able to whore around. This way everyone wins. Women get to have the kids if they want. Men get to have kids if they want. The children aren't murdered. Ta-da

[DrPepper12]

@JacobJordan You must be a peach on ladies nite.

[JacobJordan]

@DrPepper12 why would I waste my time attending ladies night when I can stand up take 3 steps to my left and spend time with my wife. Well in a couple hours she is painting something and would be quite displeased if I interrupted. I am not looking to make you or anyone else feel all warm and fuzzy. I am here to provide factually accurate and realistic approaches to things in a blunt way. If it makes you feel warm and fuzzy cool. If it makes you feel upset cool. If you get your wittle feewings hurt cool. If we look at things since the introduction of contraceptives, abortion, child support, welfare, alimony, etc things have only gotten worse why is that? Because it removes the responsibility and the accountability of both parties when it comes to make poor choices. When a man knocked up a woman he used to have to marry her and raise that child. Why? Because it was and still is the right thing to do. Now I don't agree with the marriage part but the man best be damn present if he knocks a woman up. End of story. If a woman gets pregnant no she should not be able to get an abortion EXCEPT in the very small times where her life is in danger.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

That's the problem with your philosophy, it's not "factually accurate and realistic approaches" it's simply just your opinion on the matter just like all of us here have opinions.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Alright that's enough. We are way off topic. Deleting comments at this point

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

You can go free speech in a DM for all I care. I'm just tired of being pinged for non topic conversations

[Twalli]

@JacobJordan We didn't have a lot of things we have now like cars. It's a lot harder to rape someone when your main form of transportation is a horse and buggy.

[Surely]

I would partially agree with child support provided the sperm was directly injected. If a lesbian couple wanted a baby by “turkey Baster” and then broke up. The none baby’s mother should be the one paying. Or whom ever did the basting.
I agree with making an iron clad contract. Even though they don’t seem to make a lot of difference anymore.

[Surely]

@CriticalCatDad. Thank you for the MHO!

[DarkLegacy]

This would a be good way to stop all sperm donors, for a start they are supposed to be anonymous, they would not be anymore if that became law. Secondly this sounds like more feminist nonsense, anything to get money out of men really.

[DishLady]

No... they didn't act irresponsibly or do anything to cause the woman to become pregnant... Those cases are strictly the woman's choice in choosing to use a sperm donor.

The exception is if the sperm donor wants to see his kid... if he's going to be in the kid's life then ok, he should contribute.

[TheorionMage]

The operant word is the legal definition of: 'Donor'.
That which is freely GIVEN... without compensation OR obligation
... as regards 'suitability of usage'. ;)

[DJB72]

Under those circumstances I'd be suing for full custody as the "father" and see how far it goes. Counterclaim for emotional damage caused by the estrangement from "my" children.

[robocop666]

nice one

[BCA6010]

Uh, no. That's ridiculous.

I also don't think men should be donating sperm in the first place and should only be fathering children that they'll be raising themselves, but that's another can of worms.

[Avicenna]

Of course not, especially keeping in mind that also means visitation and other parental rights that the recipient of the sperm donation obviously also didn't intend for the donor to have.

[normalice]

Half the reason for going trough clinics is to put it in writing that there will be no pursuit of child support.

[FunkyMonkee]

No. They donated the sperm. It was YOUR choice to make use of it!

[DrPepper12]

It's supposed to be anonymous. Based on that legal principle NO FUCKIN WAY!

[nawtee_me]

Nope because the recipient chooses the donor without the donor even knowing.

[KrakenAttackin]

Yes, that way no one will donate sperm. We need to prevent women from premeditation in becoming single mothers.

[Twalli]

Most sperm donation is anonymous and even if it isn't the guy isn't interested in childrearing.

[LaurenM1997]

No they shouldn’t

[Drewtate]

No they shouldn't.

[msc545]

This is a great way to end sperm donations.

[KostasKouvalis]

HELL NO!

[strateguy632]

he shouldn't