Do you agree w/ Trump? What should the punishment be? Who should administer it? Should there be different punishments depending on what state your in?

[DrPepper12]

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

No, of course not. Nobody should even be involved besides the woman and her doctor. The father can give his opinion, but ultimately it's her choice. There should be no punishment involved in it at all.

[DrPepper12]

And THAT is the correct answer GaGers! ⬆️⬆️⬆️

[Bricealan]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 I agree. What would the basis be for "punishing" someone for having an abortion for gods' sake?

[Agape93]

His mom should have aborted him.

[DrPepper12]

LMFAO!!! He's gonna need some of that Obamacare for those sick burns 🔥😂

[Agape93]

Pretty sure that's just cheeto dust he rolled in like a chinchilla dust bath so he'd look more human

[MzAsh]

Disagree. He should be punished for that statement.

[DrPepper12]

Yeah. Lock him in a room with intelligent women mansplaining to him why he's a twatwaffle as they redo his make up and kick him in the crotch. Seems reasonable.

[BCA6010]

That's clearly not his current stance on the subject unless it's taken way out of context, but regardless, it raises a fundamental ethical issue with trying to sit on the fence with the issue of abortion.

If abortion is murder (which it is in almost all cases if going by basic science or the fundamental values western civilization claims to be built on), then it doesn't make sense not to punish the mother for seeking one out more or less the same way you'd punish someone for hiring a hitman, yet the overwhelming majority of pro-life advocates don't want to do that in any way, shape or form. Furthermore, let's hypothetically say that the popular stance of making exceptions for Rape, Incest, and "Life of the Mother" (which technically shouldn't be included because death of the baby is a byproduct not the intent), you would still effectively outlaw 99-99.4% of the abortions that are carried out in the United States.

Using that number, and applying it to CDC statistics (which tend to undercut the real number by hundreds of thousands), "~600,000 women plus their accomplices become felons every year" is a politically unsavory tagline, especially for a party or individuals that claim to be against government overreach. This is also before factoring in IVF, which is another can of worms that people who are absolutists on the subject of abortion can't really rationalize a solid argument in favor of, since it involves the discarding or perpetual storage of millions of fertilized human eggs. If accepting the scientific fact that life begins the moment sperm fertilizes an egg, then this is effectively no different when based on outcomes.

Another clash here is that in the USA at least, the federal government doesn't really have a role in abortion, as it is constitutionally delegated to the states. This poses a problem if accepting that abortion is murder, because now you'd have fifty states that aren't on the same page. The supreme Court overturning RoevWade was basically a reminder of this fact, but a constitutional amendment to circumvent this would likely fail regardless of who pitches it since the overwhelming majority of Americans (~70%) do hold a position somewhere in the middle based on arbitrary numbers or a simplistic view on when life begins and must be protected.

The bottom line however is that the US's massive abortion numbers, as well as violent crimes, mental health problems, etc are all rooted in a society that has largely elevated narcissism and degeneracy, and so making a serious effort to cull these numbers would require at least two generations educated accordingly, and politicians are allergic to anything that doesn't generate immediate results (which is also why long term problems never get addressed let alone solved).

[Create21]

No. Where is the punishment for the man who put her in that position? Here’s something for the so-called Christians out there. Why will you force a woman, who likely doesn’t have the means to support a child, to have a child as a form of punishment and then do whatever you can to make sure that child has almost zero chance of succeeding in life? Hypocrites all of you. If you are going to force a woman to have a child. Then the male who got her pregnant should be, by LAW, required to care for that child too. In fact, there should be a marriage ACT. If you knock a girl up, it is automatic that you get married. And, if you are under age, the now grandparents pay for the child until the parents turn 18 or they sign consent for the underage kids to legally be married. Sound stupid? So does forcing a kid to have a kid.

[Juxtapose]

If you abort the human after it develops a brainstem then you're a murderer. Without a brainstem there's no chance of causing pain since there's no consciousness.

There is no federal law on murder so just like with murder laws, leave it to each state.

[DrPepper12]

So what should the punishment be and who should administer it? IncarcerNation for murder implemented by the state? With different state policies good luck passing constitutional muster on that.

[Juxtapose]

That's up to each state and each state has vastly different laws for many different things. What is legal somewhere may not be legal in another place.

I don't see how it's not constitutional.

[lightbulb27]

not on everything nor everything he says.

Murdering your kid is punishment... once they realize what they've done.

I guess both parents could be whipped by sending them to Singapore. Those whacks will heal, the knife blow to the offsprings skull never will.

He's right in a sense that if there was pain related, maybe they'd change their minds and favor life. But in reality, and a lot fo what he says is not reality... it's posturing... is not implementable in policy.

[Bricealan]

Oh yeah, you are correct, she should probably be mutilated in some way, or maybe burned at the stake - Joan-of-Arc style... Maybe cut her nipples off, or how about a cliteradectomy like they do to women in some of the 3rd world countries?

That'll teach 'em !!!

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't word it that way. I do think women need to understand there is a PRICE to be paid for everything in life. I'm not saying all women. But too many women today take no responsibility for thier actions (yes, men to). Abortion should be the NUCLEAR option. It should be almost unthinkable. And should ALWAYS be an absolute last resort. I don't want to punish any woman. I want the immature ones to understand there are real life and death consequences for her actions.

I think abortion should be legal. But I think if a woman comes in for a second abortion she should be sterilized at that point. Because think about it. Everyone wins in that scenario. No more babies have to murdered anymore for her choices. And she's free to get her f*** on with whomever she wants. And others don't have to pay the price.

[DrPepper12]

Forced sterilization for two broken condoms? Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that!

[b_lova]

You might want to ask that fella how many abortions has he paid for before you believe a word that comes from his mouth.

[DrPepper12]

Couldn't agree more he's a sociopathic narcissistic criminal pedophile bankrupt daughter fucking insurectionist.

[exitseven]

I never heard him say that. He is not right about it I'd he did say it. Although some that get an abortion at 8 months and 28 days should have a place reserved for them after they die.

[DrPepper12]

He said it
Correct. He's not right
You're a callous unempathetic fool if you think that

[Chazmatazz269]

There’s no surer evidence that a thing happened than an internet meme. Ell oh ell!
Have you ever seen the vids on youtube where guys go around and ask people who claim one party if they agree with the following quote by someone from their party that they might trust, and when they always say “Of course!”, the tuber then reveals that someone from the OTHER party actually said it?

[Finchie40]

I agree with Trump , abortion is Murder , if you think abortion should be legal? You are a fucking
Murderer , I don’t care if you were raped. or you can’t afford a child , it’s not the babies fault period. You are killing an innocent life , for your own selfish reasons. Try to sugarcoat this all you want because you are a fucking Murderer , Punishment should be your ass is sentenced as a murdered doing time behind bars

[wiltingrosepetal]

I don't understand why women are the ones blamed and reprimanded when it comes to abortion. That baby gravy didn't get there without a man, why isn't he getting punished?

[abc3643]

No of course not.

And he doesn't want it either considering the number of aborted fetuses he's probably sired while cheating on his wives.

[BarryLiverstone]

Yes I agree he said there should be punishment. He also said he will not play that game when asked what punishment.

[DrPepper12]

So he offered a solution and no details? Shocking.

[BarryLiverstone]

It’s not shocking at all. Why do you feel shocked?

[DrPepper12]

Because he never offers details.. ever. and still people worship vagueness and obfuscation

[BarryLiverstone]

That’s not his job. As president he is a part of the executive branch. Did you think he’s running for Congress?

[DrPepper12]

JFC he is immune from policy details cuz he's POTUS? You. Can't. Be. That. Dumb.

[BarryLiverstone]

Did I say that? No. Just like any other nominee he will set up his agenda before the election. Still months away.

But specifically on abortion that is a state rights issue so if he created a document with all the details on the issue so many would accuse him of being a dictator and authoritarian.

[Create21]

The man is a liar. I’m still waiting for that beautiful healthcare plan he was supposed to reveal 4 years ago during the campaign. He has never said anything with any detail other than people should mainline Clorox to get rid of covid. The man is a fool and the people who blindly follow him are fools as well. He is not a common man. He is not a man of the people. He is a man that is out for himself and only himself. And, it is sad. He actually had a chance to do something great. He could have been the next Reagan, where most of the country was united. And instead, he pissed it all away. He still things the 2020 election was stolen. Yet, this man has lost two elections by a total of 9 million votes.

[BarryLiverstone]

Correct he is a liar. Most politicians are liars

[Create21]

He never had an agenda from 2016 to 2020. He had build the wall (which Mexico hasn’t paid one cent for) and he wanted interest rates cut to zero ahead of the election so that the economy would shoot up and help his re-election campaign all while having to know that on the backside it would massively increase inflation. There was never a healthcare plan (which he promised), the tax cuts were Paul Ryan’s. The COVID response was Mike Pence. The man had no agenda. Why do people think he will have an agenda this time around other than to punish those who opposed him and make anyone who doesn’t agree with him suffer? I’ve met the man, I’ve worked with people who know him. There is no depth to him beyond self-interest. And, if elected, I guarantee he will do everything he can to try and extend his time in office beyond 4 years going completely against the constitution.

[BarryLiverstone]

Yep, he’s not a good guy. So can we please have better candidates in November?

[Create21]

I wish - on that we agree. I think we are stuck with these two. As the great Ron Swanson said, our choice is between a piece of dogshit and a piece of stale bread. Would you rather eat the dogshit or the stale bread?

[DrPepper12]

If the wig fits...

[John_And_Elijah]

Be fruitful and multiply. Populate the earth abundantly and multiply therein.

~ Genesis 9:7

A woman has business using abortions as a method of birth control just so she can continue going out and having "FUN". You reap what you sow.

[Create21]

Says a man who likely has slept with woman who he wasn’t married to and would probably run away from the responsibility of raising a child out of wedlock. Hypocrite.

[John_And_Elijah]

A woman has no business*

[John_And_Elijah]

@Create21 Sex = Marriage. The moment you have sex with a woman, you are considered married to them.

[Create21]

So, let me ask you this. Should the Bible trump (pun intended) the Constitution as the law of the land?

[John_And_Elijah]

@Create21 Yes it should, but that doesn't include Donald Trump because I'm not a Trump supporter. Presidencies are fake.

[Create21]

So, people of other religions (Muslim, Jewish, etc.) either need to convert or leave?

[John_And_Elijah]

@Create21 No, the bible has no mandate on that.

[Create21]

But you just did. You said the Bible should trump the Constitution as the law of the land. That means anyone practicing another religion needs to adhere to the teachings of the Bible and only the Bible. Therefore, they need to learn and likely convert if they are to follow the law.

Which is funny, because our country was founded on religious freedom. That no one religion should hold sway over any person, giving each person the ability to practice the religion they wanted. So, they can choose to follow the Bible, or they can choose to follow the Koran. I’m worried that there are so many others out there like you.

[John_And_Elijah]

@Create21 Which religion is pro-abortion? Which religion is pro-homosexuality? Which religion demands that men and women have equal rights? None besides Thelema and Luciferianism (aka Devil worship), which is the primary religion of this country and should be outlawed immediately.

[Create21]

Wow … The Bible also states you should support your government. Either way, you are in a box. You can’t have a country that is based only on one interpretation of a religion. Even Christians can’t agree on the Bible (Catholics hold Mary as holy, Lutherans do not). Good luck to you. I’m sure you are miserable.

[John_And_Elijah]

Every religion besides Christianity is of the Devil, but there's a difference from consciously and willingly choosing evil, and being decieved into choosing evil.

[John_And_Elijah]

@Create21 Catholics aren't Christians, they're imposters. If you're reading the correct bible, then nowhere does it state that you should support government.

[Create21]

And thus you have shown the problem.

[DrPepper12]

It's a HEALTH CARE DECISION AND more importantly, it's not yours to make for her. Choosing when to become pregnant is a fundamental right of women. Period.

[DrPepper12]

No. Sex is for recreation AND procreation. Go back to sewing the scarlet letter A you've been working on...

[DrPepper12]

All the abrahamic faiths are ok with all of the above to some degree. So we're banning religions now? Don't you have a witch to burn or something?

[DrPepper12]

Render into Caesar... Sound familiar?

[John_And_Elijah]

Any religion thats okay with what I listed are fooling themselves. If a Jew follows the Torah like he claims and supports abortions, he's confused. A woman's right is determined by the law of God, not herself. And if we're not going to listen to the Holy scripture, then we're going to listen to me. Therefore It's my word over both of you.

[DrPepper12]

God has spoken! You might wanna check out the 1st commandment and the 7 deadly sins.

[John_And_Elijah]

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God and that the spirit of God dwelleth in you?

- 1 Corinthians 3:16

I'm led by the spirit, and you're not. It's my word over yours. The men who wrote the bible were also led by the spirit.

[DrPepper12]

At least you got that part right. It 9s not the word of God, it was written by men

[gorydetails]

They’re committing a murder, there’s appropriate punishment for that already.

[DrPepper12]

Murder. Ok. 😂 Must be a nice view from where your sittin'.

[gorydetails]

It’s called reality. You losers should try it.

[DrPepper12]

Reality is backed by science. Your false opinions are not.

[gorydetails]

Science says it’s a human and life begins at conception. Thanks for playing.

[DrPepper12]

I'll be sure to pass that info along to the blastula...

[strateguy632]

the same day, Trump’s campaign issued a statement saying Trump actually meant that if abortion were outlawed, DOCTORS who perform abortions should be punished. but SEVEN years later who remebers lets use disinformation as liberals rely on.

[AviatorTom]

This sounds like fake news.

I would never agree with that statement... wsy too general.

[Massageman]

The females will be giving themselves their own personal mental hell after killing their babies.

[Avicenna]

Are you sure he actually said that?

[DrPepper12]

OMG yes. It's was a fox *news" interview

[Avicenna]

On what date did this occur? You really should provide a link so your claim can be evaluated. After all, you're kind of biased (to put it politely) since you think he is a "... a sociopathic narcissistic criminal pedophile bankrupt daughter fucking insurectionist."

Matter of fact, can you back up your claims that he's 1) a pedophile, 2) that he's bankrupt, 3) that he is a "daughter-fucking [sic] insurrectionist"?

[DrPepper12]

He stayed, and I quote, "if I wasn't her father id be dating her" of his 14 yo daughter Ivanka, he regularly walked into dressing rooms at Ms TEEN USA pagents. He's on Epstein's list. He's had stories caught and killed about all sorts of depravity.

He owns very little real estate and has no cash (see bond hearing for proof)! he makes money off of licensing Trump brand which is in the toilet.
He planned 1/6 and executed plan. See the 1/6;committee report or Seth Abrams #Proof trilogy.

Here's your fox news link:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/4823847917001

[OtterMan68]

you can look it up on youtube

[Avicenna]

Pepper, you're a biased idiot who doesn't know a thing about business or liquidity, much less bankruptcy (no one keep $500 million in cash around that earns no return and gets eaten up by inflation). You need to provide a source about his alleged comment about Ivanka so we can see the context as well as the rest of your biased claims.

As for your BS claims that Trump "planned" 1/6, you sound like a conspiracy theorist. And citing the 1/6 committe for anything related to 1/6 shows how biased and not credible you are.

Here's the context for the "punishment for abortions" claim:

www.snopes.com/.../

He was clearly talking about a hypothetical where abortion is illegal, and as the Snopes article shows, you have left out important context that shows your claim is, at best, a misrepresentation.
Why he was talking to anyone from MSNBC, a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party, is beyond me.

[DrPepper12]

Again. Agree to disagree. Shalom.