Do you think it's fair for employers to discrimate against tattooed people?

[KostasKouvalis]

While I understand the point the guy is trying to make, I believe in freedom of expression. I don't think having tattoos effects your ability to do the job. So what is she supposed to do? Tattooed people need to earn a living too.

[MrOracle]

Yes, absolutely.

You have freedom of expression, but that does NOT mean freedom from consequences. No one will stop you from getting tattoos, but when you get them, you already know perfectly well that visible tattoos are going to be a pretty serious roadblock for corporate or most "image"-focused work like sales. If you choose to get visible tattoos anyway, then YOU have CHOSEN to limit your future options.

Visible tattoos make many people uncomfortable (including lots of customers and clients), and are considered to be "unprofessional" in a great many professions. It's not going to be a problem if you're a roofer, but no one is going to hire you to represent their company unless that company is part of the "alt culture" already.

What you want is freedom from consequences - freedom from responsibility - and that, my friend, is a no-go. Getting tattoos is a CHOICE, and it's a choice that everyone knows comes with consequences. Being a porn star, or cross-dresser, or a slob, are all choices that come with consequences. No one is going to stop you from making those choices, but if you do, you almost certainly will suffer the consequences from doing so.

[Anonymous]

Yes it is if it’s going to affect the success of the company. And taking this woman with face tattoos and devilish satanic tattoos visible - Your staff having devil tattoos on their faces or throats will scare away some customers/patients/clients from the company/store/clinic/daycare or whatever, affecting profit and sales negatively. You can argue people shouldn’t care but reality is many people do so it makes no sense for companies to hire people like that, at least not for positions where you have to greet or work with people. What if someone like that works at a daycare and scare the kids with their devil tattoos or explain to the kids what they are, how do you think their christian parents will feel about their kids being thaught that, or do you think they even want to hand off their kids to people like that in the first place? They’ll likely to pick a different daycare. Or a 95 year old christian at a nursing home being cared for by someone with satan on their face? You don’t even have to be religious for it to make you uncomfortable. It’s just not appropriate or considerate. You carefully have to think about things like how it would affect your chances of getting a job or a career before getting tattoos. Especially if the tattoos are going to be visible (like face, neck, hands) and be controversial or provocative.

[Anonymous]

No one should be discriminated against due to something which is not under their control. Race is not under your control. Age is not under your control. Sex is not under your control. However the decision to get a tattoo IS under your control. It is a choice. Therefore, an employer is within its rights to discriminate against tattooed people, just as they would discriminate based on criteria such as education, experience, communication skills, personal achievements or scores of other benchmarks. Every potential employee has the right to work, and every employer has the right to determine who works for them. The only time workplace discrimination cannot and should not occur is when it’s based on something outside the individual’s control.

I do feel bad when someone gets a tattoo as the result of a single bad decision and they must live with that forever (tho it may be removable I don't know). That doesn’t make them a bad person or unqualified. It just diminishes their marketability and allows for justifiable discrimination.

[RebelinSteel]

I am very much into freedom of expression, however I am also realistic (which does clash with my right of freedom of expression).

if you are out shopping, there are two sales people a guy with full face tattoo or a girl with no facial tattoos, who do you think the majority of people will buy from?

Life is hard and it’s not fair, people can’t get jobs because of age, skin colour, clothing their wear to interviews, obviously companies will make the same decisions based on where the person is working and the role they will fill.

It’s not fair, however it’s also unfair they discriminate against skin colour, age, gender, clothing, piercings, etc, life is inherently unfair and to a level does not give a shit about individuals.

Similar thing, should a woman be allowed to wear a full Nigab or Burqa?

what about hiring a guy that wants to wear a dress or skirt?

[KostasKouvalis]

Clothing can be put on and removed. A tattoo can't

[RebelinSteel]

Same thing though discrimination is discrimination

So would you agree to a guy wearing a dress?

Or a Muslim girl wearing a Nigab or Burqa?

[purplepoppy]

Most chefs are tattooed and have little problem finding a job. I think the problem is most of the time it's not about artistic expression, it's about wanting to look like a bad boy and that makes them think you'll be trouble. Personally I wouldn't employ anyone heavily tattooed incase they stole stuff.

[KostasKouvalis]

So? Bad boys need to work too. And non tattooed people steal too

[Daniela1982]

If I was going to buy a new car it wouldn't be from one of these. Oh hell no!

[KostasKouvalis]

Maybe a black market car
That's a really extreme form of body modifications

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

I think it depends on the job really. If you're customer facing, it could scare off potential customers especially something like facial tattoos and some piercings. It's not right to discriminate, but I can understand not wanting to put them in that role.

[KostasKouvalis]

If they get scared, that's THEIR problem. Surely TJ Max has non register positions

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

100% agree. I'm just referring to customer facing positions.

[handsomelad70]

Yes, but in business the idea is getting more, not fewer customers, and as disgusting as this sounds, a business which is based on a middle-class or higher clientele may viewed illustrated people as a distraction.(Not saying it's right;it isn't, but many employers are conservative in LOTS of ways.)

[MrOracle]

No, it's the BUSINESS's problem, which is why lots of businesses won't hire people with visible tattoos.

If it was YOUR business, and you found that you barely broke even with tattooed employees, but you made $300,000 a year in profit with non-tattooed employees, would you hire tattooed employees? I *strongly* doubt it.

[lightbulb27]

yes, you have no right to make yourself all weird and then expect that I "have to hire you" when I think you might cause issues with clients.

do I have a right... no... a demand... to work in your tatoo parlor... If I smell like cow manure on a summers day, because that's the colone I grew up with on the farm?

of course not.

[IslaTheWitch]

there are positions, especially customer facing once, where appearance is critical. And there people with tattoos in visible places rarely are hired.

so in the moment when a person decides about a tattoo should think about their possible future job and some limits which can appear...

it's normal... making a decision and bearing the consequences...

[ProbablyClueless]

I think it's extremely fair. The way my employees present themselves in front of customers while acting on behalf of my business is a reflection of my business' image and values.

That person chose to get tattooed. At the end of the day, they have to be willing to live with the consequence of those choices; especially if they got tattooed in a way that can't be easily covered up. I'd be happy to employ a tattooed person for a position that doesn't deal with customers. But for anything forward facing; that crisp and clean image is too important to risk.

[KostasKouvalis]

So are these people supposed to earn an income?

[ProbablyClueless]

Warehouses hire people covered in ink all the time. I'm very sorry that these people find themselves in the position they do, but they were the ones who made the choice to get the tattoos that they did. I didn't tell them to do that. It's not my responsibility to make sure their needs are met.

[dustybiker2]

They aren't allowed to, doesn't mean some won't find loopholes.

[KostasKouvalis]

I'm not a lawyer, but at my state job we had people with tattoos and piercings, even though it technically wasn't allowed. So I do question the legality of such discrimination, but I would imagine it's not allowed, because a tattoo isn't something you can just put on and take off.

[dustybiker2]

So long as a person behaves in a manner suiting the job position and is presentable (clean and tidy) wearing the required uniform for the position there is no reason to disqualify anyone.

[KostasKouvalis]

I agree

[Jennz6]

I don’t think you should discriminate against anyone

[MrOracle]

So, you don't discriminate against rapists, murderers, child molesters, or people who are just INCREDIBLY annoying? How about broke people - do they get free services?

Of COURSE you discriminate - everyone does, and you absolutely should, when those are things within the control of the person and which directly affect your business. No one can control their sex, race, etc., but you absolutely have control of your BEHAVIOR, and you have control over whether or not you choose to get visible tattoos. Tattoos are a CHOICE, and tattoos are a package deal - you can't get a tattoo without also getting the consequences that come with them.

[Jennz6]

@MrOracle that’s totally 💯 different

[MrOracle]

No, it isn't.

Let's say you were going into Tiffany with $15,000 of your own hard-earned money to buy your dream jewelry, and the person at the counter had face tats, ear gauges, 37 face piercings, and a split tongue. Is that the experience you imagined? Is that the experience other people imagine? Absolutely NOT.

In the same way, no parent wants to take their kids to McDonald's to get a Happy Meal and deal with that at the front counter. Nor should they.

Body mods are a CHOICE, and those choices come with consequences, none of which are unknown or new. People choose to get them anyway because they want to rebel against society, so they shouldn't be surprised when they can't go to that same society later and expect a warm reception.

[KostasKouvalis]

@MrOracle Yes it is. You're comparing getting a tattoo to killing or raping someone🤣 Getting a tattoo isn't a crime!
Jesus, what a stupid man!

[MrOracle]

I'm only comparing the fact that both come with consequences - I never made any comparisons between those actions directly. Way to completely miss the point and try to shift focus to something that I never actually did.

[KostasKouvalis]

@MrOracle Freedom of Expression. Why is it that in France private businesses can be forced to abide by the constitution, but not in stupid USA?

[MrOracle]

No one is stopping these folks from expressing themselves. But businesses aren't obligated to hire them. Sure, SOME businesses still will - but they probably aren't going to be customer-facing jobs. I see lots of roofers and janitors with facial tattoos, but almost zero cashiers, sales reps, doctors, investment advisors, bank workers, etc.

The Constitution says that an adult is free to tattoo themselves, and this woman made zero claims that anyone tried to stop her from getting tattoos. That's her Freedom Of Expression.

You want freedom from CONSEQUENCES - but that's not how the world works, or has ever worked.

[PeachyPie93]

Don't put tattoos where they can't be hidden. A company has every right to discriminate because you are essentially the face of the company. They don't need to get backlash or potentially loose customers because they have a dumb fuck with demon tattoos working there.

[KostasKouvalis]

What's the point of getting tattoos if you're gonna hide them?
Obviously if they got hired there, it means they can be trusted.

[KostasKouvalis]

I've gone to cafes before where there were freaks working and it didn't stop me from ordering the food

[PeachyPie93]

Tattoos are not a good look, I am not saying when not at work for them not to be seen. I just mean don't tattoo your face, hands or neck. It has nothing to do with trust or if they are a bad person or not, it is their look is very off putting. And I personally would not trust a weirdo with demon/devil signs all over themselves. I worked at dollarrama and wasn't allowed to have face piercings or wear baggy clothes so get over it, if you want to be hired and you aren't a rapper don't cover your whole fucking body in tattoos or go be a tattoo artist and stop whining over your own stupid choices.

[TadCurious]

Getting gross tattoos that are visible is a voluntary act. Discriminating against someone of a particular race is very different. Many businesses don't want to be represented by people with gross visible tattoos and I can understand why.

[Sonorous]

Yes, because certain types of people tend to be more likely to get certain tattoos than other types of people. And not in a good way.

[LaurenM1997]

No I think everyone should be equal so let the person work

[LaurenM1997]

Person with tattoo work

[jahaims]

Getting a tattoo is elective. It goes against what mainstream culture and society considers professional. If a business owner doesn't want someone with a tattoo to represent their business then they have a right to not hire someone. A business owner isn't obligated to care about someone's feelings while hiring.

[KostasKouvalis]

Unless it's the feelings of an LGBT, or non-White person

[handsomelad70]

No, but some employers may believe tattooed folk would frighten away potential customers, i. e., business.

[KostasKouvalis]

If someone gets frightened that's THEIR problem.

[OtterMan68]

if you run a daycare, you might now want someone like

[Anonymous]

Your choice to cover yourself with tattoos, you are responsible for the consequences, not others.

[KrakenAttackin]

Companies have the right to protect their image. In the corporate world it's very hard to take tatted people seriously.

[dustybiker2]

Oh fun. We disagree on this one.

[Anonymous]

Ehhh. They could have something racist tattooed on them and only find out when they start getting complaints.

[Anonymous]

Nope.

[KostasKouvalis]

Me either. Tattooed people need to earn a living too

[OtterMan68]

fair or not, it should be their right.